All recruitment at SAA on hold (The world according to JetNut thread)
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Could'nt agree more !!!
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I could'nt agree more with Fat Reggies comment"that was beautifull" !!! Our dear champagne lover has clearly got a couple of minnor un re-solved childhood issues in his life,because for any FELLOW pilot( does'nt matter for which brand you are driving for, WE ARE ALL ONE) to make such nasty comments I think is just not acceptable. And to greet you "DAG P..S,that is just simply poor !!!!!!! Shame on you Champagne Lover is this really who you are ???
And yes I do fly for SAA, and just for the record I have flown for each and every other carrier in this country eccept Comair(and for some that has closed down aswell)and I have only came across-deal with bladdy good people.
Sorry!!OFF this thread topic-plse pardon me !!
I could'nt agree more with Fat Reggies comment"that was beautifull" !!! Our dear champagne lover has clearly got a couple of minnor un re-solved childhood issues in his life,because for any FELLOW pilot( does'nt matter for which brand you are driving for, WE ARE ALL ONE) to make such nasty comments I think is just not acceptable. And to greet you "DAG P..S,that is just simply poor !!!!!!! Shame on you Champagne Lover is this really who you are ???
And yes I do fly for SAA, and just for the record I have flown for each and every other carrier in this country eccept Comair(and for some that has closed down aswell)and I have only came across-deal with bladdy good people.
Sorry!!OFF this thread topic-plse pardon me !!
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To get back to the topic - it has been mentioned - those with letters of appointment are on track to join, and if my sim roster is anything to go by, training is pretty much flat out for the forseeable future.
Not even the hatchet chaps of Seabury can stop those A343's from all coming home before July this year...
And please b#gger off about salaries - go fight on another thread.
Not even the hatchet chaps of Seabury can stop those A343's from all coming home before July this year...
And please b#gger off about salaries - go fight on another thread.
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You hit the"nail"right on the"head"by saying: ''B#gger the salaries"and get back to the topic of this thread.
This is not a mud sligging contest about what a SAA pilot earns versas what they should earn according to the"non SAA-pilots" !!!
This is not a mud sligging contest about what a SAA pilot earns versas what they should earn according to the"non SAA-pilots" !!!
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The issue of pilot Pay cannot be left out when referring to the financial viability of SAA. How does this company that consistently make a loss afford to pay such exorbitant salaries. I understand they vary from over 300k for a boy pilot, to well over a million bucks for a senior Captain.
It's certainly good for the pilots and they should not be bashed for that, WHo does not want to be there? However from a business perspective it certainly does not make sense.
If you look at the 2006 financials you will see that staff costs were R3bn, Pilots who make up 7% of the staff complement got away with R900 million (excluding benefits) which amounts to close to 30%
In the broader sense the total operating costs were around R19 Billion, and therefore pilot salaries were around 5% which is not an area that can be overlooked in a business sense.
The issue of parity is highly debatable. Can we as South Africans afford to compare our earnings with the first world and their stronger currencies??? If anyone can get it right, it's SAAPA. Congratulations SAAPA.
In any event that is a national airline for a country that's about to host the soccer world cup and we can expect some substantial Capital Injection from the Government soon.
It's certainly good for the pilots and they should not be bashed for that, WHo does not want to be there? However from a business perspective it certainly does not make sense.
If you look at the 2006 financials you will see that staff costs were R3bn, Pilots who make up 7% of the staff complement got away with R900 million (excluding benefits) which amounts to close to 30%
In the broader sense the total operating costs were around R19 Billion, and therefore pilot salaries were around 5% which is not an area that can be overlooked in a business sense.
The issue of parity is highly debatable. Can we as South Africans afford to compare our earnings with the first world and their stronger currencies??? If anyone can get it right, it's SAAPA. Congratulations SAAPA.
In any event that is a national airline for a country that's about to host the soccer world cup and we can expect some substantial Capital Injection from the Government soon.
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A rumuor that is going around is that SAA's demise is intentional, Khaya, who is a prominent business person has been tasked to get SAA to the point that the government will have no option but to sell it at a ridiculous price. The likely bidders? One of them is Bidvest and khaya apparently is one of the BEE partners there.
Makes you wonder, why would a prominent businessman, who was estimated to be worth around R50 million during the time of his divorce take up a civil servant position.
Makes you wonder, why would a prominent businessman, who was estimated to be worth around R50 million during the time of his divorce take up a civil servant position.
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738's
I heard that the lease on the 738's was up halfway through the world cup and they have done nothing to renew them despite a firm nudge from the boys at Boeing to remeind them...Anyone heard that as well?
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Just out of interest and keeping to the thread topic!!!!
Did anyone hear from SAA yesterday or does anyone know of any guys/girls called yesterday???
Seems like they mean what they say then about the recruitment situation.
Did anyone hear from SAA yesterday or does anyone know of any guys/girls called yesterday???
Seems like they mean what they say then about the recruitment situation.
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The issue of pilot Pay cannot be left out when referring to the financial viability of SAA. How does this company that consistently make a loss afford to pay such exorbitant salaries. I understand they vary from over 300k for a boy pilot, to well over a million bucks for a senior Captain.
It's certainly good for the pilots and they should not be bashed for that, WHo does not want to be there? However from a business perspective it certainly does not make sense.
If you look at the 2006 financials you will see that staff costs were R3bn, Pilots who make up 7% of the staff complement got away with R900 million (excluding benefits) which amounts to close to 30%
In the broader sense the total operating costs were around R19 Billion, and therefore pilot salaries were around 5% which is not an area that can be overlooked in a business sense.
The issue of parity is highly debatable. Can we as South Africans afford to compare our earnings with the first world and their stronger currencies??? If anyone can get it right, it's SAAPA. Congratulations SAAPA.
In any event that is a national airline for a country that's about to host the soccer world cup and we can expect some substantial Capital Injection from the Government soon.
Well said AFRIAVIATION.
It is amazing how arrogant some (NOT ALL) of these SAA respondents are but what impression are you guys giving when you come out with some of the answers. You still ask why the NON-PROFESSSIONAL pilots attack you. Come down to earth guys you are not Gods gift to aviation in this country and never will be with that attitude.
Your company has problems all over and not just in management but with the pilots attitude like that i can see why KN wants to get rid of you.
KEEP TO THE THREAD
It's certainly good for the pilots and they should not be bashed for that, WHo does not want to be there? However from a business perspective it certainly does not make sense.
If you look at the 2006 financials you will see that staff costs were R3bn, Pilots who make up 7% of the staff complement got away with R900 million (excluding benefits) which amounts to close to 30%
In the broader sense the total operating costs were around R19 Billion, and therefore pilot salaries were around 5% which is not an area that can be overlooked in a business sense.
The issue of parity is highly debatable. Can we as South Africans afford to compare our earnings with the first world and their stronger currencies??? If anyone can get it right, it's SAAPA. Congratulations SAAPA.
In any event that is a national airline for a country that's about to host the soccer world cup and we can expect some substantial Capital Injection from the Government soon.
Well said AFRIAVIATION.
It is amazing how arrogant some (NOT ALL) of these SAA respondents are but what impression are you guys giving when you come out with some of the answers. You still ask why the NON-PROFESSSIONAL pilots attack you. Come down to earth guys you are not Gods gift to aviation in this country and never will be with that attitude. Your company has problems all over and not just in management but with the pilots attitude like that i can see why KN wants to get rid of you.
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I'm sorry but are the SAA guys attacking you or are you guys attacking the SAA guys.
They get paid what is in their contracts ...leave it at that. You get paid what you have signed for , you fly a different type of operation to the SAA guys, accept that you get paid more for flying to remote corners of the world...that is the way it works in the industry world wide...now stop bitching on what others are getting paid it is their pay NOT YOURS!!!!
They get paid what is in their contracts ...leave it at that. You get paid what you have signed for , you fly a different type of operation to the SAA guys, accept that you get paid more for flying to remote corners of the world...that is the way it works in the industry world wide...now stop bitching on what others are getting paid it is their pay NOT YOURS!!!!
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Personally, SAA pilot salaries (and indeed all of SAA's expenses of course) are of direct interest to me as a taxpayer actually. But I'm not going to attack anyone about that.
I'd rather pay less than more if it's all the same to you, taxwise that is. I don't get that much to start with, and seeing just under 30% disappear to tax is quite crippling. Any reduction on this sort of state expediture is good, and if it means seeing salaries at SAA reduced, you won't see me getting upset. It's nothing personal, I just don't enjoy paying tax unnecessarily.
I'd rather pay less than more if it's all the same to you, taxwise that is. I don't get that much to start with, and seeing just under 30% disappear to tax is quite crippling. Any reduction on this sort of state expediture is good, and if it means seeing salaries at SAA reduced, you won't see me getting upset. It's nothing personal, I just don't enjoy paying tax unnecessarily.
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About the tax...crap mate!!! If it was about the tax you would be going on about the pay of the ministers that do nothing all day , the government corruption, the underpaid policeman and the lack of security that your tax should be paying...Mate I do not buy that this is about your tax dollar...what minute percentage of the government tax income is going towards the SAA pay ( the square root of f all).
Not having a go at you mate but even if SAA went private tomorrow do you think you are going to get a tax cut...I'm sure you know the answer to that
Not having a go at you mate but even if SAA went private tomorrow do you think you are going to get a tax cut...I'm sure you know the answer to that
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BRAVO
Anyone read any of CJ750's many replies? Just read some of them. Almost 75% of them have something negative about SAA in them...although I think there was one that asked something about if they were hiring this year! Me thinks you shouldn't apply though...you don't want to get any
anyway hey? "Mate"
I'm sure KN would love to have you at SAA...you seem to fit the profile of all the goodfellas up in the management who know exactly what they are doing and doing such a good job at that! Go get it "mate"
Good for a laugh though!
Keep to the thread?
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I'm sure KN would love to have you at SAA...you seem to fit the profile of all the goodfellas up in the management who know exactly what they are doing and doing such a good job at that! Go get it "mate"
Good for a laugh though!
Keep to the thread?
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Originally Posted by Frogman1484
About the tax...crap mate!!! If it was about the tax you would be going on about the pay of the ministers that do nothing all day , the government corruption, the underpaid policeman and the lack of security that your tax should be paying...Mate I do not buy that this is about your tax dollar...what minute percentage of the government tax income is going towards the SAA pay ( the square root of f all).
Not having a go at you mate but even if SAA went private tomorrow do you think you are going to get a tax cut...I'm sure you know the answer to that
Not having a go at you mate but even if SAA went private tomorrow do you think you are going to get a tax cut...I'm sure you know the answer to that
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Quoted from the other site:
The true cost of flying SAA
Jocelyn Newmarch
You are paying twice to fly SAA: once when you buy the ticket and once when you pay your taxes.The loss-making national carrier flew 7,2-million passengers last year, bringing in an average revenue of R2 234 per passenger. This year it is projecting a R650-milllion loss, or R92,85 per passenger, based on last year`s passenger numbers.
The carrier operates at a loss even though it had to be recapitalised by more than R6-bHlion in recent years, following disastrous adventures on the foreign-exchange markets.
Even more controversially, SAA is reportedly looking for a R4-billion bailout from government to put ambitious restracturing plans in place.
SAA recorded a net profit of R65-million last year, thanks to a change in accounting regulations for expired tickets.
SAA chief Khaya Ngqula`s restructuring plan aims to `simplify, right-size, re-skill and incentivise the business`, he told media at a briefing on Tuesday. Jobs, along with other costs, will be slashed. A new business plan for SAA is currently being drafted.
According to media reports, Ngqula also wants to see the company`s individual components run as separate and accountable divisions. The plan focuses on cost savings, simplifying the fleet and eliminating unprofitable routes, reviewing contracts with suppliers and what is euphemistically termed `labour concessions`.
Current belt-tightening includes a clampdown on unnecessary staff travel, the removal of non-essential company cellphones and revoking discretionary spending.
International consultants Sea-bury, who specialise in airline turnarounds, have been appointed to guide the airline. But one logical place to start would be right at the top. Ngqula holds 38 directorships and the average SAA board member sits on 20 boards, according to reports earlier this month.
Jocelyn Newmarch
You are paying twice to fly SAA: once when you buy the ticket and once when you pay your taxes.The loss-making national carrier flew 7,2-million passengers last year, bringing in an average revenue of R2 234 per passenger. This year it is projecting a R650-milllion loss, or R92,85 per passenger, based on last year`s passenger numbers.
The carrier operates at a loss even though it had to be recapitalised by more than R6-bHlion in recent years, following disastrous adventures on the foreign-exchange markets.
Even more controversially, SAA is reportedly looking for a R4-billion bailout from government to put ambitious restracturing plans in place.
SAA recorded a net profit of R65-million last year, thanks to a change in accounting regulations for expired tickets.
SAA chief Khaya Ngqula`s restructuring plan aims to `simplify, right-size, re-skill and incentivise the business`, he told media at a briefing on Tuesday. Jobs, along with other costs, will be slashed. A new business plan for SAA is currently being drafted.
According to media reports, Ngqula also wants to see the company`s individual components run as separate and accountable divisions. The plan focuses on cost savings, simplifying the fleet and eliminating unprofitable routes, reviewing contracts with suppliers and what is euphemistically termed `labour concessions`.
Current belt-tightening includes a clampdown on unnecessary staff travel, the removal of non-essential company cellphones and revoking discretionary spending.
International consultants Sea-bury, who specialise in airline turnarounds, have been appointed to guide the airline. But one logical place to start would be right at the top. Ngqula holds 38 directorships and the average SAA board member sits on 20 boards, according to reports earlier this month.
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If Khaya paid for the chopper himself he must be on a serious
package! Now we all know that he is obviously being paid a
fortune, but does anybody know how much he is actually earning?
To charter a chopper for a work conference and pay for it
yourself, that puts you in another league
package! Now we all know that he is obviously being paid a
fortune, but does anybody know how much he is actually earning?
To charter a chopper for a work conference and pay for it
yourself, that puts you in another league
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TA Flame Lily!
Now I am beginning to understand the big picture.
ps: all you lot whinging about the SAA pilots pay, they deserve
it. Why? Because they negotiated it, too bad and sorry for you
if you are being paid 1/10 what they are. You signed your contracts
and agreed on the T's and C's.
Now get over it and let life go on.
Now I am beginning to understand the big picture.
ps: all you lot whinging about the SAA pilots pay, they deserve
it. Why? Because they negotiated it, too bad and sorry for you
if you are being paid 1/10 what they are. You signed your contracts
and agreed on the T's and C's.
Now get over it and let life go on.
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I would have a go at the politicians if this was an appropriate forum for it, but it's about aviation. And ultimately, any wasted tax money adds up. Sure, we wouldn't see an immediate tax cut if SAA was profitable - but that would be the aforementioned silly politicians at work, wouldn't it? And like I said, it all adds up...to claim that it's irrelevant just because it's just a drop in the bucket defeats the point.
Let me understand you would have a go at politicians if this was an appropriate site so instead you are having a go at where the politicians are spending your tax money. Last I looked this is an Aviation site!
Saa's package is bellow international standards for airline pilots flying that equipment internationally...end of story, so what if they are higher than Nation wide or Sax etc. Compare Apples with Apples!!
The problem is not their salary but the management of the airline. Sure privatize the beast and see if it floats, but that is a different story.
Let me understand you would have a go at politicians if this was an appropriate site so instead you are having a go at where the politicians are spending your tax money. Last I looked this is an Aviation site!
Saa's package is bellow international standards for airline pilots flying that equipment internationally...end of story, so what if they are higher than Nation wide or Sax etc. Compare Apples with Apples!!
The problem is not their salary but the management of the airline. Sure privatize the beast and see if it floats, but that is a different story.