All recruitment at SAA on hold (The world according to JetNut thread)
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Experience and maturity
Toobadhowsad,
Must say, with all the experience you gained to allow you to "twiddle your thumbs", keeping your cool under pressure and measured response were deffinitely not on the list. You lost all credibility by rising to the bait and telling fellow aviators to "P@#s off".
Back to the topic: Does anybody have a reasonable idea when SAA will start recruiting again?
Must say, with all the experience you gained to allow you to "twiddle your thumbs", keeping your cool under pressure and measured response were deffinitely not on the list. You lost all credibility by rising to the bait and telling fellow aviators to "P@#s off".
Back to the topic: Does anybody have a reasonable idea when SAA will start recruiting again?
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Sir O 'sis',
There was no intent to offer a measured response. I don't mince my words and did not feel that tact was part of the equation of getting the point across to you and your wannabees. It seems that an in-your-face approach is all that works for the SAA pilot bashers. And I was not telling my fellow aviators to p
s off, just you and your mates. I have respect for my fellow aviators, including my many friends who fly for operators other than SAA!!
And back to the topic of SAA hiring, seeing as you missed that at the end of one of my previous posts, there will be no hiring for the forseeable future except for possibly those who have already received letters of appointment. SAA has not even put out the bi-annual CAT bid for the pilots because they have no idea what the fleet complement or requirements will be for July onwards. Until the Seabury consultants finalise the proposed 18 month business plan for reorganising SAA, plus the SAA board having to vote on it towards the end of the 3rd week of April, nobody at flight ops will have any idea if more pilots are needed.
Post a new thread around April 24th, 25th or thereabouts and I'll let you Pruners in on the gaff!!
There was no intent to offer a measured response. I don't mince my words and did not feel that tact was part of the equation of getting the point across to you and your wannabees. It seems that an in-your-face approach is all that works for the SAA pilot bashers. And I was not telling my fellow aviators to p
s off, just you and your mates. I have respect for my fellow aviators, including my many friends who fly for operators other than SAA!!And back to the topic of SAA hiring, seeing as you missed that at the end of one of my previous posts, there will be no hiring for the forseeable future except for possibly those who have already received letters of appointment. SAA has not even put out the bi-annual CAT bid for the pilots because they have no idea what the fleet complement or requirements will be for July onwards. Until the Seabury consultants finalise the proposed 18 month business plan for reorganising SAA, plus the SAA board having to vote on it towards the end of the 3rd week of April, nobody at flight ops will have any idea if more pilots are needed.
Post a new thread around April 24th, 25th or thereabouts and I'll let you Pruners in on the gaff!!
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Chill Boet,
1. Not a wannabee. (Maybe once, not for a long time.I passed the walk on water test before you even joined your previous company. RA??)
2.I Don't begrudge you your salary. I earn more than you do and I also fly long haul a/c. including ETOPS across the North Atlantic.
3. Just an illustration that SAA need to shape up or ship out. Their kind of extravagent waste is NOT sustainable.
4. We used to have great fun together on NXX between MSU-JNB, even in the thunderstorms. (Remember when flying was FUN!) JA, I was there....
Don't take it personally, you are not responsible for the hole SAA has dug it'self.
Safe Flying
PS: I will now move to The SAA "BAS" fishing thread.
1. Not a wannabee. (Maybe once, not for a long time.I passed the walk on water test before you even joined your previous company. RA??)
2.I Don't begrudge you your salary. I earn more than you do and I also fly long haul a/c. including ETOPS across the North Atlantic.
3. Just an illustration that SAA need to shape up or ship out. Their kind of extravagent waste is NOT sustainable.
4. We used to have great fun together on NXX between MSU-JNB, even in the thunderstorms. (Remember when flying was FUN!) JA, I was there....
Don't take it personally, you are not responsible for the hole SAA has dug it'self.
Safe Flying
PS: I will now move to The SAA "BAS" fishing thread.
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Seeing as this thread title is obviously code named "SAA salaries", for what it's worth...
SAA pilots are also tax payers, and do get pissed off about the R283 odd million that "slipped through the cracks" - of which I don't see the rest of the affronted tax payers on this thread taking a righteous stand about. Rumour has it that Seabury are looking at about R1.7 billion that should be around according to the in-depth examination of the financials, but apparantly seems to be awol.
And take a look at http://www.willflyforfood.cc/airlinepilotpay/ to figure out your own true worth....
SAA pilots are also tax payers, and do get pissed off about the R283 odd million that "slipped through the cracks" - of which I don't see the rest of the affronted tax payers on this thread taking a righteous stand about. Rumour has it that Seabury are looking at about R1.7 billion that should be around according to the in-depth examination of the financials, but apparantly seems to be awol.
And take a look at http://www.willflyforfood.cc/airlinepilotpay/ to figure out your own true worth....
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Interesting reading
Hey Alternate Law, willflyforfood makes intersting reading.
Trust me, us tax payers want EVERYBODY's salary reviewed. Said before, this is NOT aimed at pilots only. And where ppl have had their hands in the cookie jar, sling there ass into jail!!!
Trust me, us tax payers want EVERYBODY's salary reviewed. Said before, this is NOT aimed at pilots only. And where ppl have had their hands in the cookie jar, sling there as
s into jail!!!
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Hey, I was just thinking - is it a coincidence that the SAA buildings are so close to those casino's?? 
Better check if some of those manager types are heading there on the sly..... 
Better check if some of those manager types are heading there on the sly.....
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Passengers to feel SAA cuts
07/04/2007 21:40 - (SA)
Johannesburg - South African Airways (SAA) could stop serving in flight meals and cut back on cabin crew under a R2.7bn cost-cutting proposal up for approval by its board next month, the Sunday Times has reported.
According to the newspaper, the government this week gave a R1.3bn cash injection to SAA, which was expected to post a loss of over R652m for 2006.
The planning group which compiled the proposal reportedly estimated that the national carrier could save R171m by not serving food on domestic economy flights and rationalising the meal options in business class.
It predicted savings of, among others, R287m from reviewing sponsorships and marketing; R60m by using fewer attendants on flights; and R80m from scrapping timetables, in-house magazines, entertainment guides and wine lists.
It suggested that unprofitable routes be suspended; that plans to buy aircraft, office furniture and flower arrangements be shelved; and that certain international offices be closed.
SAA has warned of up to 1 000 retrenchments.
The SA Transport and Allied Workers' Union has threatened industrial action unless it is included in the restructuring process.
07/04/2007 21:40 - (SA)
Johannesburg - South African Airways (SAA) could stop serving in flight meals and cut back on cabin crew under a R2.7bn cost-cutting proposal up for approval by its board next month, the Sunday Times has reported.
According to the newspaper, the government this week gave a R1.3bn cash injection to SAA, which was expected to post a loss of over R652m for 2006.
The planning group which compiled the proposal reportedly estimated that the national carrier could save R171m by not serving food on domestic economy flights and rationalising the meal options in business class.
It predicted savings of, among others, R287m from reviewing sponsorships and marketing; R60m by using fewer attendants on flights; and R80m from scrapping timetables, in-house magazines, entertainment guides and wine lists.
It suggested that unprofitable routes be suspended; that plans to buy aircraft, office furniture and flower arrangements be shelved; and that certain international offices be closed.
SAA has warned of up to 1 000 retrenchments.
The SA Transport and Allied Workers' Union has threatened industrial action unless it is included in the restructuring process.
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Taxpayers or Not..?
Having heard the tiresome "Bun Fights" about Taxpayers rights and not, I thought the detail below would put everything into perspective.
Thereafter it is up to each individual (SAA and non SAA) to make his/her own assumptions with regards to "who" pays for what at SAA.
(Note: I chose not to contribute this to the SAA Basher Thread)
SARS Income during 2006-2007 Financials (paid to date): R 493bn
PAYE Contributions to R 493bn total: R140bn (28.39%)
Company Contributors: 1 Million Companies
Self Employed Individuals: 350 000 People
PAYE Contributors: 6 Million People
Assumptions made (for Statistical purposes):
SAA Bailout at average of R 3.5bn per Financial Year
All PAYE Contributors footing an equal share of the Bailout (I know this is Theoretical)
PAYE Individual Contribution to SAA yearly Bailout: R 165.61
Thereafter it is up to each individual (SAA and non SAA) to make his/her own assumptions with regards to "who" pays for what at SAA.
(Note: I chose not to contribute this to the SAA Basher Thread)
SARS Income during 2006-2007 Financials (paid to date): R 493bn
PAYE Contributions to R 493bn total: R140bn (28.39%)
Company Contributors: 1 Million Companies
Self Employed Individuals: 350 000 People
PAYE Contributors: 6 Million People
Assumptions made (for Statistical purposes):
SAA Bailout at average of R 3.5bn per Financial Year
All PAYE Contributors footing an equal share of the Bailout (I know this is Theoretical)
PAYE Individual Contribution to SAA yearly Bailout: R 165.61
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Another way to spend R1.3 billion
I think SAA carries around 7 mill pax, so if I gave R190 to each passenger and told them to go fly somewhere else i would be better off? That is kinda scary math.
Or gave a subsidy to the other airlines to the same value ie: Link about R160 mill. SAX nealy R200 mill. Not sure what the pax figures for the other airlines are, but man, I am sure that would drive salaries up.
Dont forget SAA got R4 bill last yr.
Or gave a subsidy to the other airlines to the same value ie: Link about R160 mill. SAX nealy R200 mill. Not sure what the pax figures for the other airlines are, but man, I am sure that would drive salaries up.
Dont forget SAA got R4 bill last yr.
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Only 165 rand, I think we should be paying twice as much, that way I can upgrade my golf membership to include weekends...come on guys lets all join the gravy train before the money the government steals the lot.
Once the money to SAA stops flowing all you will see is no new schools and hospitals but new BMW 4x4 for the politicians.
Once the money to SAA stops flowing all you will see is no new schools and hospitals but new BMW 4x4 for the politicians.
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Let me see if I got this right.
We will cut the service but keep the same price structure?
So for the same money I can fly Comair / Nationwide AND get a meal, magazine etc. (and helpful flight attendants).
Or for the same service I can fly CHEAPER ( and stil get helpful flight attendants) on One Time or Kulula…
Don’t need to pay a consultant to see where my money will go.
R.I.P. S.A.A.
We will cut the service but keep the same price structure?
So for the same money I can fly Comair / Nationwide AND get a meal, magazine etc. (and helpful flight attendants).
Or for the same service I can fly CHEAPER ( and stil get helpful flight attendants) on One Time or Kulula…
Don’t need to pay a consultant to see where my money will go.
R.I.P. S.A.A.
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What is so scary to me is that the aviation industry as a whole is going from strength to strength. All areas are just booming. Why with so much government funding is there such a contradiction at SAA? It can only mean absolute squander in all departments. A few other airlines in SA have boasted best results in highly competitive markets this last year!!! Go figure
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Originally Posted by hiflyerz
.........it all boils down to 'sour grapes'!!
{Bites tongue instead of typing out full intended reply detailing the gross failures of both logic, and indeed even eyesight, in this case}
{sigh}
I suppose if you guys keep repeating that often enough, one day you'll make it true for all cases....
Just a question, did you even read this thread through?