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Old 9th Dec 2007, 13:10
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blablabla,

For the most of it you are more or less spot on, but as far as I know they are only dealing with two agencies, one in the UK and one in Ireland. If you check the adverts they flash on the job web sites you will find that they are painting the picture a bit too bright.

Indeed Parc is advertising for jobs at Virgin Nigeria, and if the rumours network is correct, so are you when you mention Parcs previous dealings with Arik.

AVSEC,

Getting paid in advance, and I am not talking about the flight crews, is an advice you hear around the business.

BALEWA,

you, as an insider, who in your opinion is the decision maker when it comes to paying invoices?
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Old 9th Dec 2007, 18:28
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For me is down to who can actually carry me in safety. From what I read here and hear from friend, Arik have a problem even to find Port Harcourt. For this, I will fly only Aero now. It seem some of their pilot are doing no line training and some is very dubious. I hope Balewa is doing some route training to show these guys the skies of Africa!
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Old 10th Dec 2007, 10:07
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HAVING SAID THAT from what we hear you are spot on.
Most reputable scheduled airlines have credit facilities inputed into agreements with their suppliers.
We have been informed that suppliers are being owed,and in some cases they are no longer used and still outstanding bills are not settled.
Payment in advance as we hear is the only reason why their catering supplier is in a position to supply.
The MD and his team however despite these financial irregularities command a lot of respect from existing suppliers due to ability to keep technical contractors,pilots and crew as well as general staff motivated.
If he and his key officers ever leave,then bring out the fat lady and let her sing.
Balewa point taken.Next time I am in the country I will speak to some mates to get me some of your guys to talk shop.
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Old 10th Dec 2007, 21:19
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AVSEC,

We have been informed that suppliers are being owed,and in some cases they are no longer used and still outstanding bills are not settled.
Heard that one myself.

Payment in advance as we hear is the only reason why their catering supplier is in a position to supply.
And we are talking about an airline on the brink of going international. These pilots need to carry a lot of cash with them

The MD and his team however despite these financial irregularities command a lot of respect from existing suppliers due to ability to keep technical contractors,pilots and crew as well as general staff motivated.
The question is how long they can keep on like this. Face it, we are not talking pocket money in cash every time they have to pay for catering. And the management putting up a brave face towards the public does not cut it either in the long run.
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Old 11th Dec 2007, 07:37
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Cassandra sez...

This is the airline started with dodgy funds by shady characters, right? (Not my personal opinion, just what I read in the newspapers. Don't shoot the messenger.)

So what in this developing pattern should come as a total surprise/shock?

How many of the 26 or so registered airlines from about five years ago still exist? Want to bet we can add one more to the list before long?
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Old 11th Dec 2007, 10:19
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You are obviously from the recruitment agency Protec then. Well you havent placed any Directors or Ops staff at Arik...you may have placed pilots yes and to come in here and paint a rosey picture in a desperate attempt to lure people to contract with you down in Nigeria is abit desperate......are you having no replies to all the adverts you keep putting on Aviation Jobsearch and Global then ???? Arik have aircraft on the ground with no crew so you cant be sourcing them many crew and the turnaround or pilots is massive down there with regard to expats.
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Old 11th Dec 2007, 10:57
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Thumbs up

Hi fellow pilots!!
I've been reading all these posts and once again I cant understand why if Arik really needs pilots after one month being applied I still dont have answer or information about.
They really need pilots or not?
Why this delay?
At least, if Arik is not interested, just tell us.

Thank you.
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Old 11th Dec 2007, 14:02
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Our advice remains caveat emptor - in the strongest possible terms.

We've let protec's post remain for the helplessly inept comedy value.

Regards
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PPRuNe Towers and others,

Whether or not Protec is advertising for free is none of my business, but to add to the comedy value of Protec's post it has to be said that he might be right about pilots and others giving him positive feedback. Fact is that this is half the truth and he should have said "some pilots", or "a few". But when you advertise, as they do on a couple of job web sites, and now her on pprune, they should be honest about the goods they are selling. They are not. And if they would be honest about the conditions, I am afraid Arik would stop talking to them. And that is not good for their bank account
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Old 11th Dec 2007, 19:54
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This is sooooooo funny!!! THEY ARE HURTING in a bad way for pilots. Sooner or later they will realize they cant attract pilots with the horrible terms they are offering. There are way toooooo many contracts out there! P.M. me if you need the skinny.
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Old 11th Dec 2007, 21:10
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Arik pay?

Ok this is easy, who knows how much arik pays FO's on the 737
How much per day? And how much per hour. Lets put the figures up then we can all see.
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Old 12th Dec 2007, 16:43
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Trust me its not enough, and its not all about the money, it is the T&C's that go with it and all the other BS that you have to deal with.
Nothing is enough to go back to ARIK...........
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Old 12th Dec 2007, 18:18
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YEP!! you said it!
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Old 12th Dec 2007, 19:21
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There are many jokes in Nigeria. Some of them last longer than others and some are more humorous than others depending on whether one is personally involved. It's no joke coping with the Arik check-in, trying to get your money back when a flight is cancelled, wondering if they'll be able to find Port Harcourt.
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Old 13th Dec 2007, 16:20
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rumours are the new COO will be taking over from the current MD b4 June 2008.reason,certain powers that be are uncomfortable with his popularity within Nigerian Media.
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Old 13th Dec 2007, 16:48
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About time!
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Old 13th Dec 2007, 17:05
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Thumbs down Check Your Facts Westcoaster

Mr Westcoaster,
I see you've made many comments on PPRuNe, including one about looking for a Dash 8 job, from which some of us might infer you are a newbie in aviation who has just landed his dream job with Arik.
So let's see now, you obviously know alghaita ganga as the only way you could have accused him of slander is by speaking to him - or maybe you mean libel?
However, I certainly do remember one day at Port harcourt NAF Base, which is probably what AF was talking about, just a few weeks ago in good weather (cloud base more than 1500 feet and visibility more than 5 nm) when the Arik Air Dash 8 couldn't find the runway and all other traffic was put on hold for over 20 minutes. He was eventually sent back to the POT VOR and instructed to call for joining clearance again. When he eventually managed to find the place (it's pretty difficult I know to find a 7000 foot tarmac runway when the runway lighting isn't working ) the pilot was instructed to report to the control tower (by no means the only one in the last few weeks). So which particular bad rumours and information are you referring to? This is all a matter of public record and at least 3 fixed wing and 6 or 7 helicopters were affected. Maybe the people being talked about should get proper training before venturing into a very bust ATC environment like Port Harcourt. Hopefully when the international airport reopens next week a lot of the fixed wing will no longer be operating into Port Harcourt and matters will improve.
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Old 13th Dec 2007, 17:14
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This Arik/Vk/Denim turboprop affair into Naf Base seems to becoming a serious safety issue,afterall no one complains about Aero!
What steps are Denim management taking as regards the operation of thier pilots/fleet into this challenging airfield?

Finally is it politics or is DNPO re-opening next week for sure?
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Old 13th Dec 2007, 17:34
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18L,

You've hit the nail on the head. I sometimes wonder if Denim Air management takes any active role in what its pilots do in Nigeria.

The controllers at international today were saying that they will definitely be opening for some sort of business next week. The question now is what this will mean in terms of continued fixed wing operations into NAF Base. The Arik ramp area has been the subject of a lot of construction work this week as they've finally been laying the tarmac to extend the taxiway from the Aero apron in front of theirs - they certainly aren't acting like a company which is expecting any curtailment of its operations into the military field.
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Old 13th Dec 2007, 18:31
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MMA2

Talking about moving,MMA2 is not ready for all the airlines to move domestic and regional routes over there,are they?
The current Chief Security Officer is not approving airlines applications for terminal permits,and we hear that the MMA2 management especially the CSO even tells airlines how their personnel must be dressed in the terminal,and who they can employ the services of.
I thought this was supposed to be a private enterprise,but the current CSO who is ex FAAN runs the terminal as a government agency.
Dont apply for space in the terminal unless you are an airline is the current word out of there.Does not matter if you are registered with NCAA and recognised by FAAN and ministry of transportation.
What a shame.
Really thought Bicourtney where about to put Nigeria on the map,but it seems this is never going to go the way the people with vision had planned.
Why is Van Elk letting this take place?
I thought Babalkin would keep a firm hold on his Nigerian employees who are gradually killing that project.
What a shame.
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