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I get a email almost once a week asking me to come back!! LOLOLOL!!
You think, because of your limited observations of Arik Airlines here on pprune, that we will be forced to listen to your absurd comments. Don’t be so ignorant and while your at it take a look at the amount of hits on the Arik Airlines thread Havingsaidthat 
now leave us alone we do not need you, believe me!
18left I would gladly do it, but only if you would make public the flight/duty times of your pilots on the B737 fleet in the last three months, heard you guy's kind of short!!!
Sincerely,
BALEWA
PS: 18Left have you guys looked at Peru for crew, have quite a number of good lads from South America keen on flying here, could PM you some numbers and contacts.
You think, because of your limited observations of Arik Airlines here on pprune, that we will be forced to listen to your absurd comments. Don’t be so ignorant and while your at it take a look at the amount of hits on the Arik Airlines thread Havingsaidthat now leave us alone we do not need you, believe me!18left I would gladly do it, but only if you would make public the flight/duty times of your pilots on the B737 fleet in the last three months, heard you guy's kind of short!!!
Sincerely,
BALEWA
PS: 18Left have you guys looked at Peru for crew, have quite a number of good lads from South America keen on flying here, could PM you some numbers and contacts.
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BALEWA,
You make a a quote from outofhereoyibo`s post and then ask me to leave you alone. Does not exactly hang together. And if it does, your request is not granted Reason is that you and Arik are flying around in the same airspace as the rest of us. If you like, hanging around here can be looked upon as quality assurance.
And this is a comment to?????
18left,
Don`t you think there is one official listing of duty times, and one not official?
You make a a quote from outofhereoyibo`s post and then ask me to leave you alone. Does not exactly hang together. And if it does, your request is not granted
Reason is that you and Arik are flying around in the same airspace as the rest of us. If you like, hanging around here can be looked upon as quality assurance.
You think, because of your limited observations of Arik Airlines here on pprune, that we will be forced to listen to your absurd comments. Don’t be so ignorant and while your at it take a look at the amount of hits on the Arik Airlines thread
18left,
Don`t you think there is one official listing of duty times, and one not official?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0IMdF9ZbvGA
Intresting video about some arik/denim guys flying in Nigeria.They looked contented and happier than outofhereoyibo and co were
Anyway, it is now obvious why they couldnt find PHC NAF base sometime ago.They were busy making videos
Intresting video about some arik/denim guys flying in Nigeria.They looked contented and happier than outofhereoyibo and co were
Anyway, it is now obvious why they couldnt find PHC NAF base sometime ago.They were busy making videos
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First post on PPRUNE. I had never heard of it till I spent some time in LOS with Arik Air. Why do you think the Video is unprofessional? What is your idea of professionalism?I liked the video! Made me remember some of the good times I had during my time in Nigeria. The Denim pilots were very professional during my stint with Arik. As far as getting lost on the way to Port Harricourt, (if there is any truth to the rumor) my guess is something was lost in translation. We may all be speaking some sort of english, but often there is a disconnect. Especially when english is the second language.First time I flew through Vietnam, I had no idea what any of the controllers where saying. Just stayed on course, gave my position reports and hoped for the best.Hope all is well on the CRJ program.
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RWED,
It's no rumor about Arik not being able to find the runway at Port Harcourt NAF Base. There were at least 10 aeroplanes and helicopters who were told to hold by the controller while the Arik aircraft was told to go back to the VOR and talk to approach. That's a matter of public record. While most of the Denim pilots do a very good job, there are a few who have definitely not covered themselves in glory and sadly, they're the ones who get remembered. I wonder if the crew making the video knew that filming at Lagos and many Nigerian airports is banned because they're military or joint military/civil, so if they return and the videos come to the attention of the security authorities out here they could have a problem?
It's no rumor about Arik not being able to find the runway at Port Harcourt NAF Base. There were at least 10 aeroplanes and helicopters who were told to hold by the controller while the Arik aircraft was told to go back to the VOR and talk to approach. That's a matter of public record. While most of the Denim pilots do a very good job, there are a few who have definitely not covered themselves in glory and sadly, they're the ones who get remembered. I wonder if the crew making the video knew that filming at Lagos and many Nigerian airports is banned because they're military or joint military/civil, so if they return and the videos come to the attention of the security authorities out here they could have a problem?
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Kinda dumb...
Last time I checked, most SOPs have something in there about both pilots on a two-crew operation being sat up paying attention. No working the cross-words or playing with a video camera, especially on finals (!).
It is a good point, too, about the ban on photography although that one has come and gone. It might be legal now, but it sure isn't smart to wave a camera around at a Nigerian airport. It is very easy to make someone out to be a spy, even when there is nothing of interest around.
Anyone want to bet an interview with the Chief Pilot, without coffee and biscuits, is in the pipeline for our junior bird-men?
Don't forget, it is a very small world, especially when you post something on an electronic forum. As an ex-pat in Nigeria there are literally hundreds of guys who want your job!
It is a good point, too, about the ban on photography although that one has come and gone. It might be legal now, but it sure isn't smart to wave a camera around at a Nigerian airport. It is very easy to make someone out to be a spy, even when there is nothing of interest around.
Anyone want to bet an interview with the Chief Pilot, without coffee and biscuits, is in the pipeline for our junior bird-men?
Don't forget, it is a very small world, especially when you post something on an electronic forum. As an ex-pat in Nigeria there are literally hundreds of guys who want your job!
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Guys, it seems you all like the video. Yes, it is pleasure flying over Africa. Good scenario for dilettantes. Aviation is still romantic. Don't ruin it playing very smart about it, just enjoy it 
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Is this a wind-up?
What "ruins" it, all too often, is dilettantism: people who come to Africa thinking they are on some sort of holiday so that they just forget being serious about the job of work they are there to do!
You wouldn't be playing around making videos on a trip in Europe, would you? So why do it in Nigeria?
I used to become so tired of supposedly professional air crew performing to the standards shown on the video (when just making the damned thing in the first place is being sloppy enough) while blithely assuming some sort of status as Sky Gods.
You have a queue out the door and down the street of young, qualified Nigerians ready and waiting to do this sort of work and this is the standard you perform to? Get real!
Whoever made this stupid thing (the gormless FO by the looks of it) has left Nigeria, tra-la. Did he perhaps think, "Gee, what sort of an impression will this make of the next ex-pat to show up?" I really don't think so!
If you need to have a souvenir of your first time in Nigeria, well, "Fill your boots," but try not to get caught doing that. It's really "bush." Posting it here is not exactly subtle.
You wouldn't be playing around making videos on a trip in Europe, would you? So why do it in Nigeria?
I used to become so tired of supposedly professional air crew performing to the standards shown on the video (when just making the damned thing in the first place is being sloppy enough) while blithely assuming some sort of status as Sky Gods.
You have a queue out the door and down the street of young, qualified Nigerians ready and waiting to do this sort of work and this is the standard you perform to? Get real!
Whoever made this stupid thing (the gormless FO by the looks of it) has left Nigeria, tra-la. Did he perhaps think, "Gee, what sort of an impression will this make of the next ex-pat to show up?" I really don't think so!
If you need to have a souvenir of your first time in Nigeria, well, "Fill your boots," but try not to get caught doing that. It's really "bush." Posting it here is not exactly subtle.
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Take a look at YouTube, there are plenty of videos shot all over the world in the cockpit. Europe, the Americas, Asia and of course Africa.How do you know there was not someone on the jumpseat helping with the filming?It seems to me your more upset that it was done by an expat in Africa?The aircraft has a Dutch registration, flown by pilots from the EU. Would it be OK for a 5N aircraft with Nigerian pilots to shoot a video while flying around South America? It's just to capture the memories.SonicDodo stated in perfectly. Just enjoy the video.
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Most of the big international oil companies in Nigeria have a lot of staff flying around, but they're only allowed to fly with airlines which are approved or have been audited for safety. Many of those airlines have on-site aviation managers who look at sites like this. maybe that's why most of them won't allow their staff to fly with airlines like Arik 
. MCC as practised on all JAA registered aircraft requires that both crew participate when on finals, with one pilot monitoring the other. Don't see much evidence of that here - maybe that's why the Arik Denim Air crews have a job finding a large military airfield with a tarmac runway in good weather 
. MCC as practised on all JAA registered aircraft requires that both crew participate when on finals, with one pilot monitoring the other. Don't see much evidence of that here - maybe that's why the Arik Denim Air crews have a job finding a large military airfield with a tarmac runway in good weather
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The Arik youtube video
I thought the video was well made, and makes Nigeria and Arik Air look like a great place to be. I am glad to see an expat crew enjoying flying in Nigeria. It seems to me that the crews are happy to be flying for Arik Air! If this was done for marketing purposes well done to who ever did it.
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Missing the point...
When they are engaged in flying their aircraft two-crew, both pilots have WORK to perform in the cockpit. The PNF (Pilot Not Flying) is expected to be monitoring the PF (Pilot Flying), particularly during critical phases of flight such as take-off and landing. If the PNF is using a video camera to video the final approach to landing then he is obviously not doing his job. Then to follow that up by posting the evidence for all to see is just stupid. Not to make a big thing of it; it is just the sort of mistake one can make by not thinking things through.
Many of you seem to be missing this simple point. If flying in Nigeria is pleasurable, so much the better, but that does not mean you should not do your job properly. This is not the same as some passenger in the right seat of a light aircraft doing what the two-crew professionals here were doing.
Many of you seem to be missing this simple point. If flying in Nigeria is pleasurable, so much the better, but that does not mean you should not do your job properly. This is not the same as some passenger in the right seat of a light aircraft doing what the two-crew professionals here were doing.
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Great video, looks very enjoyable there.
One cannot assume the PNF held the camera on finals, it could have been mounted, not necessarily interfering with the multicrew duties.
One cannot assume the PNF held the camera on finals, it could have been mounted, not necessarily interfering with the multicrew duties.
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And this from the guy who thought that a youtube video on Rotorheads of an AS350 being flown by an idiot also looked fun . BTW that actually happened in Northern Ireland and the story is that the pilot is to be prosecuted by the CAA.
. BTW that actually happened in Northern Ireland and the story is that the pilot is to be prosecuted by the CAA.
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Some mothers do have them, yes...
So you assume this video camera was "mounted in the cockpit" (in the F/O's direct eyeline?) for that shot of the runway. (We needed to see that with the pretty lights and all, never seen one before...) Or there was a third person doing the filming, while not interfering with the crew's duties at all. Oh-kay!
Just how roomy do you think the cockpit of a Dash 8 is, anyway?
We had a guy telling us once about having 12 Peruvians in the back of his Bell 212, when he would get the CG right by having them "run back and forth." All we could say was, "That is a very interesting story!"
Just how roomy do you think the cockpit of a Dash 8 is, anyway?
We had a guy telling us once about having 12 Peruvians in the back of his Bell 212, when he would get the CG right by having them "run back and forth." All we could say was, "That is a very interesting story!"
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"...from the guy who thought that a youtube video on Rotorheads of an AS350 being flown by an idiot also looked fun"
...."mounted in the cockpit"
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Durn!
Hey, Rockpecker, give it up! First you posit some unlikely scenario and now you have it that people are making allegations of this and that. No, it's just something that's a bit slack, that's all.
Some of you think, "Hey, cool! Enjoy the video, folks!" Well, NO, actually, just because it is naughty to be doing filming when you should be sat there watching what is going on with the flight. It is not something you should be taken out back of the hangar and shot for but it's not very "cool" either.
What, Rockpecker, is your big problem with understanding that your point of view is essentially childish, when we are paid to act like adults, even in Nigeria? Nigerians can manage that, so why not ex-pats?
Some of you think, "Hey, cool! Enjoy the video, folks!" Well, NO, actually, just because it is naughty to be doing filming when you should be sat there watching what is going on with the flight. It is not something you should be taken out back of the hangar and shot for but it's not very "cool" either.
What, Rockpecker, is your big problem with understanding that your point of view is essentially childish, when we are paid to act like adults, even in Nigeria? Nigerians can manage that, so why not ex-pats?