WHAT'S UP WITH NAC?
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WHAT'S UP WITH NAC?
Is it just me, or is NAC’s name going down the drain? They used to be the biggest and the best, but I found that more and more people have bad things to say about them? I know they don’t look after their staff (unless you are on of the “fat cats” running the show)
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1 big HAPPY family......
"WELCOME TO THE FAMILY" NAC strive on their slogan, but what happens when the family gets to big, but of course INCEST!!! and unfortunately when that happens "MUNGEROL'S" 
get born and now they run Contracts.
Need I say more, i rest my case
get born and now they run Contracts.Need I say more, i rest my case
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What is up with NAC. In one word its f...c
kd! Get the best, pay the best and keep the best. Then maybe. But as that is totally impossible we should be happy that they cannot ever last in Contracts. 
kd! Get the best, pay the best and keep the best. Then maybe. But as that is totally impossible we should be happy that they cannot ever last in Contracts.
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Can this once proud company be repaired? I don't think so. Simple reason is that people crave Trust, Honesty = Reliability. They have ZERO. Just BIN contracts and go back to your core business, and that is selling aircraft, NOT MANAGING them. For that you need PEOPLE SKILLS.
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The Truth About NAC !!! (Not Another Curveball)
Let us put the record straight and look @ the truth ....if anybody has the time.... most of us work for a living ...so let's be as brief as we can.
1.Is NAC in touble ?
Well anybody that has internet ...or 1/2 a brain just click on the Imperial results.NAC is backed by a Company that owns nearly 300 companies.It is backed by a "GIANT" that "NO" other "aviation company"(except the biggest one SAFAIR...(also Imperial) and Naturelink....(sorry also Imperial)..no other in Africa and in fact the world has.Imperial has comitted to NAC "as any dad would be to his son".They have the means ,the finances, and the management...(The Chairman just won a worldwide award for that) and the will to support NAC.NAC is a audited(maybe that is why some "Senior Management" left in a hurry)/part of listed and transparent/accounting complient company.How many of the other Aviation companies in Afica can say that .......(I wonder).The Imperial company is on tract to make R 3 Billion in profit this year so I think that anybody that listen to these rumours should maybe........just look @ the facts.NAC has never in the 60 years in bussiness and certainly not since Imperial took over ever made a loss.I wonder how many others can say that !!!!.Boys.... wake up !!and smell the Jet A1 !!!!
1.Is NAC in touble ?
Well anybody that has internet ...or 1/2 a brain just click on the Imperial results.NAC is backed by a Company that owns nearly 300 companies.It is backed by a "GIANT" that "NO" other "aviation company"(except the biggest one SAFAIR...(also Imperial) and Naturelink....(sorry also Imperial)..no other in Africa and in fact the world has.Imperial has comitted to NAC "as any dad would be to his son".They have the means ,the finances, and the management...(The Chairman just won a worldwide award for that) and the will to support NAC.NAC is a audited(maybe that is why some "Senior Management" left in a hurry)/part of listed and transparent/accounting complient company.How many of the other Aviation companies in Afica can say that .......(I wonder).The Imperial company is on tract to make R 3 Billion in profit this year so I think that anybody that listen to these rumours should maybe........just look @ the facts.NAC has never in the 60 years in bussiness and certainly not since Imperial took over ever made a loss.I wonder how many others can say that !!!!.Boys.... wake up !!and smell the Jet A1 !!!!
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Hotbok, your rant, IMHO deserves comment...
As mostly a lurker on forums such as this I have always been skeptical of the "1 poster" who rants on his/her first post. Usually its personal, and logic would have it that the poster has something to gain/lose from their post. My first guess is that you work for NAC.
Secondly, if NAC were in trouble (and I am not saying they are), its often places such as this where you hear it first. What cannot be disputed is that there are some issues they need to sort out. Even the biggest / best company's in the world need a little PR sometimes.
Thirdly, you can never say never. Bigger company's that NAC have gone down the toilet. Bigger company's than your "invincible" Imperial have gone down the toilet. You also should never confuse Imperial with NAC. They are two separate companny's for a reason. Different management / industries (for the most part), and one thing is for certain, that one of Bill Lynches strengths, is his ability to "distance" himself from bad apples and not get all personal about his SUBSIDIARIES. NOT NECESSARILY NAC, but even the best groups go through stages and find themselves with star performers and dogs. Dont get confused here!!! NAC have grown alot in the last two years. Rapid growth puts strain on staff, cash flow, maybe on real purpose - who knows?
This is a rumour network. Fact is NAC have found themselves a little on the wrong side of late. Are they in trouble maybe not, but Hotbok, its not personal. No need to get all hissy about it... the forum referred to NAC not to IMPERIAL....
Perhaps the RUMOUR about a sale is co-incidental with NAC's PR issues, perhaps not?
As mostly a lurker on forums such as this I have always been skeptical of the "1 poster" who rants on his/her first post. Usually its personal, and logic would have it that the poster has something to gain/lose from their post. My first guess is that you work for NAC.
Secondly, if NAC were in trouble (and I am not saying they are), its often places such as this where you hear it first. What cannot be disputed is that there are some issues they need to sort out. Even the biggest / best company's in the world need a little PR sometimes.
Thirdly, you can never say never. Bigger company's that NAC have gone down the toilet. Bigger company's than your "invincible" Imperial have gone down the toilet. You also should never confuse Imperial with NAC. They are two separate companny's for a reason. Different management / industries (for the most part), and one thing is for certain, that one of Bill Lynches strengths, is his ability to "distance" himself from bad apples and not get all personal about his SUBSIDIARIES. NOT NECESSARILY NAC, but even the best groups go through stages and find themselves with star performers and dogs. Dont get confused here!!! NAC have grown alot in the last two years. Rapid growth puts strain on staff, cash flow, maybe on real purpose - who knows?
This is a rumour network. Fact is NAC have found themselves a little on the wrong side of late. Are they in trouble maybe not, but Hotbok, its not personal. No need to get all hissy about it... the forum referred to NAC not to IMPERIAL....
Perhaps the RUMOUR about a sale is co-incidental with NAC's PR issues, perhaps not?
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Probably looking for or investigating the computer theft which took place a while back.
Why is it that people and particulaly those in aviation thrive on generating or adding to k@k rumours be they true or not.
If I was away on contract trying to feed a family i would not have a nice feeling on my stomach righ now
Hotbok, ever heard of ENRON!
Why is it that people and particulaly those in aviation thrive on generating or adding to k@k rumours be they true or not.
If I was away on contract trying to feed a family i would not have a nice feeling on my stomach righ now
Hotbok, ever heard of ENRON!
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na na ne na na na......
HOTBOK
Reading your reply made me think back to the time when i was 5 and " my daddy's car is faster and bigger than your daddy's car..." well ever since i have grown up, but it seems you still stuck at the age of 5...
This is a rumour about whaz happening at NAC Contracts and the way they treat their pilots and some staff.....not about Imperial or the way they treat their people, NAC has different directors, different management in case you havent notice, or do you report to the CEO of Imperial, uuuhmmm i dont think so......
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Anyhow NAC Contracts aint the place to work for anymore due to their mismanagements and incapable over staff hanging around the office all day chitt chatting about trivial stuff happening on contract, have you heard this pilot has drank so much again and that pilot was listening to the music way to loud, ooh they such bad people these pilots......Instead these staff should rather listen to the maintenance needs of pilots/engineers out in the field who fly crippled aeroplanes, living outside of SA away from friends and social life, earning $$$ for the fat cats. And recently they started cutting salaries for young new co-pilots and new captains, causing a unhealthy high TURN OVER of pilots, that all & all will make them lose contracts putting NAC contracts in a bad light......Now aint that an impeccable record for a 60 year old company, HOTBOK you must be proud working for them......
WOW this sound more and more like a circus to me
Reading your reply made me think back to the time when i was 5 and " my daddy's car is faster and bigger than your daddy's car..." well ever since i have grown up, but it seems you still stuck at the age of 5...
This is a rumour about whaz happening at NAC Contracts and the way they treat their pilots and some staff.....not about Imperial or the way they treat their people, NAC has different directors, different management in case you havent notice, or do you report to the CEO of Imperial, uuuhmmm i dont think so......
____________________________________________________________ ___
Anyhow NAC Contracts aint the place to work for anymore due to their mismanagements and incapable over staff hanging around the office all day chitt chatting about trivial stuff happening on contract, have you heard this pilot has drank so much again and that pilot was listening to the music way to loud, ooh they such bad people these pilots......Instead these staff should rather listen to the maintenance needs of pilots/engineers out in the field who fly crippled aeroplanes, living outside of SA away from friends and social life, earning $$$ for the fat cats. And recently they started cutting salaries for young new co-pilots and new captains, causing a unhealthy high TURN OVER of pilots, that all & all will make them lose contracts putting NAC contracts in a bad light......Now aint that an impeccable record for a 60 year old company, HOTBOK you must be proud working for them......
WOW this sound more and more like a circus to me
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The Imperial company is on tract to make R 3 Billion in profit this year so I think that anybody that listen to these rumours should maybe........just look @ the facts.NAC has never in the 60 years in bussiness and certainly not since Imperial took over ever made a loss.
A set of plastic cufflinks, a card, or even an e-mail for the forgotten boys and girls out in the field at Christmas would be nice as well.....
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"It is backed by a "GIANT" that "NO" other "aviation company"(except the biggest one SAFAIR...(also Imperial) and Naturelink....(sorry also Imperial)..no other in Africa and in fact the world has."
Bold statement HOTBOK
The world is a big place. The company I fly for is merely an Airline and made
the equivalent of ZAR 5.6 billion net profit, so Imperial may be a player but it
Is small fry in global terms.
Bold statement HOTBOK
The world is a big place. The company I fly for is merely an Airline and made
the equivalent of ZAR 5.6 billion net profit, so Imperial may be a player but it
Is small fry in global terms.
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Gentlemen and possibly ladies, if you can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen! It is easy to sit back on these forums slating NAC and others and it really easy to be continually negative BUT NAC has given quite a few of you a start in aviation through their contracts division when you were begging for a seat in anything that flew. Only when you have the hours that you so desperately needed to get a start in this difficult industry do you sit back and slate the company that gave you a break!
I am not suggesting for a moment that you have all worked for NAC, but these forums have been filled with complaints about Rossair, Solenta, Fedair, Balmoral, KAS and others. Contract flying will always have a turnover of pilots and any of you in that kind of flying will have to agree that it is not the ideal lifestyle and there are VERY FEW individuals that make a career out of it. So we have an industry (contracts) with a high turnover of individuals who use the work as a stepping stone for airline careers etc. In some places in the industry at the moment, people are hiring, so the flow starts again.
It goes without saying that the business is there to make money and if management run it successfully, then they will at the end of the day benefit from the business. Markets (supply and demand) dictate the salaries. If you are prepared to live in the DRC in a sh*thole and fly 100 hours per month in ITCZ then have a look at who offers this. If you do not like it, find something else!
NAC is an organization that has grown substantially. Maybe they have lost a lot of the 'personal touch' that used to exist, but that is inevitable. It is a very strong company with excellent products in the marketing division. They have their faults which I have no doubt the current management will address. I have had my run ins with their maintenance division, but it has been sorted out and I have been dealt with fairly each time.
Pilots who are not busy are always low on morale and whine endlessly! I wish you all plenty hours and if you work for NAC and have a genuine gripe, I am sure that if you go and speak to the management involved they will treat you fairly as I have been treated there, albeit as a customer, before.
SC
I am not suggesting for a moment that you have all worked for NAC, but these forums have been filled with complaints about Rossair, Solenta, Fedair, Balmoral, KAS and others. Contract flying will always have a turnover of pilots and any of you in that kind of flying will have to agree that it is not the ideal lifestyle and there are VERY FEW individuals that make a career out of it. So we have an industry (contracts) with a high turnover of individuals who use the work as a stepping stone for airline careers etc. In some places in the industry at the moment, people are hiring, so the flow starts again.
It goes without saying that the business is there to make money and if management run it successfully, then they will at the end of the day benefit from the business. Markets (supply and demand) dictate the salaries. If you are prepared to live in the DRC in a sh*thole and fly 100 hours per month in ITCZ then have a look at who offers this. If you do not like it, find something else!
NAC is an organization that has grown substantially. Maybe they have lost a lot of the 'personal touch' that used to exist, but that is inevitable. It is a very strong company with excellent products in the marketing division. They have their faults which I have no doubt the current management will address. I have had my run ins with their maintenance division, but it has been sorted out and I have been dealt with fairly each time.
Pilots who are not busy are always low on morale and whine endlessly! I wish you all plenty hours and if you work for NAC and have a genuine gripe, I am sure that if you go and speak to the management involved they will treat you fairly as I have been treated there, albeit as a customer, before.
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Lot of frustration out there....get your buts in gear and go and fly for that "Hot" Airline... Antman is bragging about.....gues its easy to make $ in the Airline Industry when the Sheik buys the Aircraft cash and give the fuel free.........now that a business for you !!! Even pay their Pilots Top $ for riding camels and eating dust.All these frustrated contract Pilots there is your answer ! (BTDT..) but that is only if you'l make the grade -seems you dont! Hooray for that Company that gets rid of inefficiency and incompetend people.Amazing all the guys that complain when a company acts when things go wrong on what seems like the very man who caused it and was responsible for it.........why Enron saw it's bside........didn't boot the bosses who was robbing it.How many other GA companies in RSA do proper training and have sims to back it..........
Keep sweeping that broom NAC you have my vote as I have seen this,being there.... done that.........oh and dont forget to keep doing things by the book seems a rare comodity in the industry lately ....
Hooray !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Get a life .....if you cant stand the heat in the kitchen get out !!!!!!!!
Keep sweeping that broom NAC you have my vote as I have seen this,being there.... done that.........oh and dont forget to keep doing things by the book seems a rare comodity in the industry lately ....
Hooray !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Get a life .....if you cant stand the heat in the kitchen get out !!!!!!!!
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Tin Hawk, sorry Steel Hawk???
Are you looking for Browny points?? You going to get your wings clipped!
Even if its made ofstainless steel !!
Doesnt matter where and who one works/flies for, as long as they treat there staff with respect and pay top $ for the work done.
And you say you have been there and done it
do you have the scars to prove it?? dont think so!
Happy Landings!
Are you looking for Browny points?? You going to get your wings clipped!
Even if its made of
stainless steel !!Doesnt matter where and who one works/flies for, as long as they treat there staff with respect and pay top $ for the work done.
And you say you have been there and done it
do you have the scars to prove it?? dont think so!Happy Landings!
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Understand that NAC employs pilots that are going to leave within a few years, if that long. The are NEVER going to pay top $$$ for those pilots. Hell - if you ran the company would you.
I have been flying for many years, and as long as I can remember rumour had it that NAC was not the greatest place to work for. The truth to this, I can't vouch for, as I never worked there myself. The friends that I have that did work there, however, have done very well in their careers. NAC was a stepping stone for greater things.
Get the ratings, fly and be happy for before you know it you will be in an airline bitching about different things, but bitching all the same.
I have been flying for many years, and as long as I can remember rumour had it that NAC was not the greatest place to work for. The truth to this, I can't vouch for, as I never worked there myself. The friends that I have that did work there, however, have done very well in their careers. NAC was a stepping stone for greater things.
Get the ratings, fly and be happy for before you know it you will be in an airline bitching about different things, but bitching all the same.
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It is indeed unfortunate that some companies do not make the connection between a stable and contented pilot and maintenance staff, and the bottom line.
When you have a high staff turnover, the clients get the moering, expertise is not retained in-house and there are distinct safety implications. Sourcing crew at short notice and grounding aircraft because of lack of crews is expensive. Because of the high turnover, and a lack of a learning culture, the same expensive mistakes are repeated over and over again.
Losing contracts is even more expensive - the shortsightedness is breathtakingly stupid. Do you really want your multi-million dollar machines operated and maintained by dissatisfied, underpaid staff, with a high turnover? One hot section on a PT6 pays a decent salary for a long time.
Apart from that the pilots are at the most important interface between the client and the business, and the consistency and level of service they provide is an important factor in a client deciding to renew a contract or not. The client picks up very quickly when the crews are unhappy, and this is usually indicative of greater problems in the organisation. When the pilots and mechanics are contented, they contribute more to making the business a success. Both influence numerous factors, and make decisions on a daily basis that directly influence expenses, revenues and the bottom line. Penny wise, pound foolish - unfortunately some people are too blinkered to make the connections.
In the Algerian operation, one has only to compare how the Zimex crews are remunerated and treated to see why they have a contented workforce with a low turnover - could this be why they have been operating successfully in the region for years?
As steelhawk so eloquently put it, hooray for the company that gets rid of incompetend [sic] people.
When you have a high staff turnover, the clients get the moering, expertise is not retained in-house and there are distinct safety implications. Sourcing crew at short notice and grounding aircraft because of lack of crews is expensive. Because of the high turnover, and a lack of a learning culture, the same expensive mistakes are repeated over and over again.
Losing contracts is even more expensive - the shortsightedness is breathtakingly stupid. Do you really want your multi-million dollar machines operated and maintained by dissatisfied, underpaid staff, with a high turnover? One hot section on a PT6 pays a decent salary for a long time.
Apart from that the pilots are at the most important interface between the client and the business, and the consistency and level of service they provide is an important factor in a client deciding to renew a contract or not. The client picks up very quickly when the crews are unhappy, and this is usually indicative of greater problems in the organisation. When the pilots and mechanics are contented, they contribute more to making the business a success. Both influence numerous factors, and make decisions on a daily basis that directly influence expenses, revenues and the bottom line. Penny wise, pound foolish - unfortunately some people are too blinkered to make the connections.
In the Algerian operation, one has only to compare how the Zimex crews are remunerated and treated to see why they have a contented workforce with a low turnover - could this be why they have been operating successfully in the region for years?
As steelhawk so eloquently put it, hooray for the company that gets rid of incompetend [sic] people.
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