Mango - all you need to know about it (threads merged)
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I think what he is trying to ask is are Mango recruiting right now because he really thinks they are doing well.
The short answer is yes they are looking for some staff- stuff like call centres and the like. Pilots depend on aircraft which in turn depends on SAA to make its mind up.
The short answer is yes they are looking for some staff- stuff like call centres and the like. Pilots depend on aircraft which in turn depends on SAA to make its mind up.
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Heavy Mango's
I've seen on several occasions Mango flights on CPT-BFN leg saying that they are too heavy for landing, and they request lower levels and streched routing to burn off fuel.
I fail too understand why/how do they get too much fuel and then go and burn on their flights?
I fail too understand why/how do they get too much fuel and then go and burn on their flights?
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Sector fuel burn + payload = landing weight
Now if sector fuel is less, ie more fuel efficient due to better ATC routing, better winds and more economical fuel burn figures than predicted by Avnet, then there will be surplus fuel still in the tanks over and above that planned for, thats a good thing, but id your payload is at max..(ie v/good payload figures thus), then the aircraft will be overweight for landing, hence the wider routing required, or the lower less fuel efficient altitude required to get the actual fuel burn to match the planned fuel burn.
Now if sector fuel is less, ie more fuel efficient due to better ATC routing, better winds and more economical fuel burn figures than predicted by Avnet, then there will be surplus fuel still in the tanks over and above that planned for, thats a good thing, but id your payload is at max..(ie v/good payload figures thus), then the aircraft will be overweight for landing, hence the wider routing required, or the lower less fuel efficient altitude required to get the actual fuel burn to match the planned fuel burn.
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How much fuel can you save on a two hour sector? 
Most short range fuel savings are derived from not doing full SID /STARS and from incorrectly forecast winds. The flight planning assumes the full routing is used. Contingency fuel may also not be used(200kg min for B738) Also consider if the runway was changed since flight planning was done (even shorter routing possible)
Most short range fuel savings are derived from not doing full SID /STARS and from incorrectly forecast winds. The flight planning assumes the full routing is used. Contingency fuel may also not be used(200kg min for B738) Also consider if the runway was changed since flight planning was done (even shorter routing possible)
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But surely they would not need that much fuel in the tanks just to go from CT to JNB. It's just a 2 hour flight. So either they are putting in much more fuel than required, or they are loading those planes to max... ?
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So either they are putting in much more fuel than required, or they are loading those planes to max... ?
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BG if u compare the fuel prices in CPT and BFN, I think the reason for tankering is obviuos, the reason for overweight can be any of those mentioned in the thread. SA wx not always the most accurate
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Romeo
Now the question, how much bucks do you save by caring 200 kg extra or having to burn it off along the way?
It's the skippers responsibility to depart with enough fuel to fulfill the CFP (Company flight plan) requirements. It is also his responsibility not to land overweight, therefore it would be wise to consider the possibility my exist that you might get a shortcut or even a straight in approach.
Most airlines, when it comes to tankering, plan to land at MLW minus X percent to prevent you from having to burn it off along the way.
Now the question, how much bucks do you save by caring 200 kg extra or having to burn it off along the way?
It's the skippers responsibility to depart with enough fuel to fulfill the CFP (Company flight plan) requirements. It is also his responsibility not to land overweight, therefore it would be wise to consider the possibility my exist that you might get a shortcut or even a straight in approach.
Most airlines, when it comes to tankering, plan to land at MLW minus X percent to prevent you from having to burn it off along the way.
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they are loading those planes to max... ?
Seriously, the flight was OK in all other aspects, but those seats are horrible.
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Some facts and figures
Based on a Ryanair 737-800 not sure how the Mango aircraft are configured all economy or some business also.
Basic empty wt = 42500 Kg
189 Pax @ 93 Kg = 17577 Kg
ZFW = 60077 Kg
737 800 MLW = 65300 Kg
Trip to BFN = 2500 Kg one hour flight +/-
Take off max = 67800 Kg
Max fuel = 7733 Kg
Fuel for Cpt to Bfn back to Cpt then George as alternate would require about 8800 Kgs
I am guessing the crew took as much as they could but for all the reasons already mentioned in this thread, they found themselves with a bit too much.
Short sector flying is always prone to catching you out on the landing weight limitation.
Happy flying.
Basic empty wt = 42500 Kg
189 Pax @ 93 Kg = 17577 Kg
ZFW = 60077 Kg
737 800 MLW = 65300 Kg
Trip to BFN = 2500 Kg one hour flight +/-
Take off max = 67800 Kg
Max fuel = 7733 Kg
Fuel for Cpt to Bfn back to Cpt then George as alternate would require about 8800 Kgs
I am guessing the crew took as much as they could but for all the reasons already mentioned in this thread, they found themselves with a bit too much.
Short sector flying is always prone to catching you out on the landing weight limitation.
Happy flying.
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Full Service Mango
In The Star newspaper today there is a report about Comair and in this report they mention that Mango is going to start a Full Service soon! Does this mean that Mango is going to compete with SAA directly? Or does it mean that SAA will be handing over all it's Domesic/Regional flying to Mango?
Maybe this why there is such a rumpus at SAA at the moment? How to convince the SAA pilots to go and work for Mango at half pay?!
Maybe this why there is such a rumpus at SAA at the moment? How to convince the SAA pilots to go and work for Mango at half pay?!