Mango - all you need to know about it (threads merged)
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Gee whiz guys lets have a bit of common sense and logic here every now and then PLEASE
It flew over the sea because runway 01 was in use!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Where else can it be vectored to intercept the ILS?
"Landed faster than normal " is the typical sort of statement from a highly experienced passenger. Try a wind of 330 30/45 and see what any a/c will do!!
"Fire engines on the runway" What utter rubbish - how can an a/c land with vehicles on the runway. ICAO requirements require a standby in the event of a KNOWN problem irrespective of what it is. Vehicles were simply in their USUAL positions and a vehicle always follows the landing a/c in case of problems and also so inspect the runway for any contamination so it can be made avail ASAP after landing.
my word I cant believe I am reading such rubbish
It flew over the sea because runway 01 was in use!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Where else can it be vectored to intercept the ILS?
"Landed faster than normal " is the typical sort of statement from a highly experienced passenger. Try a wind of 330 30/45 and see what any a/c will do!!
"Fire engines on the runway" What utter rubbish - how can an a/c land with vehicles on the runway. ICAO requirements require a standby in the event of a KNOWN problem irrespective of what it is. Vehicles were simply in their USUAL positions and a vehicle always follows the landing a/c in case of problems and also so inspect the runway for any contamination so it can be made avail ASAP after landing.
my word I cant believe I am reading such rubbish
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Similar to the Pretoria News posters during the past week:
"SAA leaves disabled man on RUNWAY"
Now I just wondered how the disabled person got onto the RUNWAY in the 1st place..?
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Gee whiz guys lets have a bit of common sense and logic here every now and then PLEASE
It flew over the sea because runway 01 was in use!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Where else can it be vectored to intercept the ILS?
"Landed faster than normal " is the typical sort of statement from a highly experienced passenger. Try a wind of 330 30/45 and see what any a/c will do!!
"Fire engines on the runway" What utter rubbish - how can an a/c land with vehicles on the runway. ICAO requirements require a standby in the event of a KNOWN problem irrespective of what it is. Vehicles were simply in their USUAL positions and a vehicle always follows the landing a/c in case of problems and also so inspect the runway for any contamination so it can be made avail ASAP after landing.
my word I cant believe I am reading such rubbish
It flew over the sea because runway 01 was in use!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Where else can it be vectored to intercept the ILS?
"Landed faster than normal " is the typical sort of statement from a highly experienced passenger. Try a wind of 330 30/45 and see what any a/c will do!!
"Fire engines on the runway" What utter rubbish - how can an a/c land with vehicles on the runway. ICAO requirements require a standby in the event of a KNOWN problem irrespective of what it is. Vehicles were simply in their USUAL positions and a vehicle always follows the landing a/c in case of problems and also so inspect the runway for any contamination so it can be made avail ASAP after landing.
my word I cant believe I am reading such rubbish
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Tulco / Mango RT Procedures
Is it just my imagination or does other forum browsers also find that general RT used by Mango / Tulco drivers are of a very poor standard? I have carefully listened to their transmissions during the past week or so and found that a lot of their messages are long winded, inaccurate and without callsigns being read back.
Today overheard something like this:
" Uhh, Central Tulco ***, we are picking up a lot of CB's and thunderstorms ahead and would like to route, Uh......, maybe a little bit left, uh say......20 degrees for about, Uh.... 90 miles or so, would that be ok?"
All the other carriers were just saying "Central XYZ 123 request left/right of track for weather"
They sound a lot like those old spoories skygods (My tail is orange) who always had to give a 10 page explanation for each request and then only read back half the instructions, like in the old days when they were the only ones above FL 250 and had the frequency to themselves.
Maybe our ATC friends can also contribute or maybe set the record straight if I am over reacting.
Today overheard something like this:
" Uhh, Central Tulco ***, we are picking up a lot of CB's and thunderstorms ahead and would like to route, Uh......, maybe a little bit left, uh say......20 degrees for about, Uh.... 90 miles or so, would that be ok?"
All the other carriers were just saying "Central XYZ 123 request left/right of track for weather"
They sound a lot like those old spoories skygods (My tail is orange) who always had to give a 10 page explanation for each request and then only read back half the instructions, like in the old days when they were the only ones above FL 250 and had the frequency to themselves.
Maybe our ATC friends can also contribute or maybe set the record straight if I am over reacting.
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Funny you mention it because its exactly what I was saying to one of my collegues the other day!
To those who use correct R/T phraseology and full readbacks
To those who dont
lets just hope this will improve with time.
To those who use correct R/T phraseology and full readbacks
To those who dont
lets just hope this will improve with time.
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Finally someone has overtaken SAA as the worst performers on the R/T.
And there is no-one close to them when it comes to poor R/T. It seems like the older voices want only use numbers when they get busy as well! Orgasmotron you lucky you heard a readback - what day was that?
And there is no-one close to them when it comes to poor R/T. It seems like the older voices want only use numbers when they get busy as well! Orgasmotron you lucky you heard a readback - what day was that?
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Heard there is another fluffy standing AOG at Durban with leaking nose oleo.
I cant ever remember these a/c in their SAA colours having such a poor serviceability record.........
I cant ever remember these a/c in their SAA colours having such a poor serviceability record.........
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I agree that Mango RT procedures are not always of the highest quality....but you can say that of ALL the airlines flying around our skies these days.
I have heard them all....Comair/Kulula, Nationwide, 1time, SAX, Airlink, SAA....the whole lot occacionally have some real bad RT procedures.
"Finally someone has overtaken SAA as the worst performers on the R/T."
I think it is quite unfair to single out Mango and SAA when some of your colleagues are also guilty of the offense.....
I have heard them all....Comair/Kulula, Nationwide, 1time, SAX, Airlink, SAA....the whole lot occacionally have some real bad RT procedures.
"Finally someone has overtaken SAA as the worst performers on the R/T."
I think it is quite unfair to single out Mango and SAA when some of your colleagues are also guilty of the offense.....
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...and here I was thinking I'd caught a statistical anomaly, and just happened to be listening when all the bad ones were on the air....so it isn't just me then.
Sometimes everybody has a 'uh....uh...uh....standby!' moment though. I can hardly claim to be innocent!
Sometimes everybody has a 'uh....uh...uh....standby!' moment though. I can hardly claim to be innocent!
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Goldfish Jack, open your eyes
Considering that the Mango pilot contingent is made up of ex-Nationwide, 1Time, Comair, SAX, Airlink, Safair and retired SAA pilots, exactly who do you blame for the poor RT. I guess you must be one of the "cool" pilots who responds with "coming down" when assigned a squawk. You are a Tw.t!!
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Not sure, but think it is the same situation at Comair
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Well, if the contingent of Mango crews are made up as depicted by our learned friend Jbayfan, and we take into account the previous posts regarding the poor RT of crews in SA, very little prevoius complaints regarding the RT procedures of Nationwide, SAX, Comair, 1 Time and Link were posted. However SAA keep on featuring whenever this issue is raised. Statistically then, we'll have to contribute the perception of poor RT to ex SAA pilot's. Perception is every individual's truth.
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The only reason why SAA "features" so much on these forums is because no-one realy cares whether the other airlines use standard RT procedures or not. It is almost as if every-one expect SAA to be absoluty flawless in whatever they do, and thus any little mistake is pounced upon and blown out of proportion!
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This is by far one of the most ridiculous threads in a while - so I feel it suits my interests.... and since I am a firm believer in working only for reward I think the SAA guys should by default be much better than anybody else cause they get paid to be better... whereas I dont expect too much from a NTW boy or the guy in the Seneca on downwind 03L.
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This is by far one of the most ridiculous threads in a while - so I feel it suits my interests.... and since I am a firm believer in working only for reward I think the SAA guys should by default be much better than anybody else cause they get paid to be better... whereas I dont expect too much from a NTW boy or the guy in the Seneca on downwind 03L.
Hilarious! Well said SIC! 
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lets pick on someone else.
This was on Thursday afternoon.
ATC " Zambia 010 climb to FL150 and contact Area ....."
Zambia " Bye bye"
That's got to be a winner!!
Have to agree on the Mango RT thing though. Maybe they'll improve.
Cheers
This was on Thursday afternoon.
ATC " Zambia 010 climb to FL150 and contact Area ....."
Zambia " Bye bye"
That's got to be a winner!!
Have to agree on the Mango RT thing though. Maybe they'll improve.
Cheers
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Well SIC, you have just proven my point.....
Anyhow, SAA is made uo of pilots from ALL of the current airlines flying around the skies. Some have good habits....some better. Fact is, EVERYBODY, even the "best" paid ones in the industry, are making the same mistakes.....
Like the saying goes, "The highest tree will always get the most wind"...I can accept that. Just wondering what the motive behind the SAA bashing is....and how those basher will change their tunes once they walk into the millionaire club at SAA....???
Anyhow, SAA is made uo of pilots from ALL of the current airlines flying around the skies. Some have good habits....some better. Fact is, EVERYBODY, even the "best" paid ones in the industry, are making the same mistakes.....
Like the saying goes, "The highest tree will always get the most wind"...I can accept that. Just wondering what the motive behind the SAA bashing is....and how those basher will change their tunes once they walk into the millionaire club at SAA....???
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very little prevoius complaints regarding the RT procedures of Nationwide, SAX, Comair, 1 Time and Link were posted
The petty jealousy so evident on this forum that rears its head whenever someone mentions SAA is sickening. All SAA pilots came from your ranks once upon a time, and there were always those who we all worked with who ran down SAA and "would never want to work for SAA" because blah..blah...blah!! Funny how some of them now walk the halls of SAA flight ops. When it comes to the crunch, every professional pilot in SA would give anything to fly for SAA, and those who missed the boat due to age etc. acknowledge as much.
What does SAA offer?: Excellent salaries, excellent benefits, state-of-the-art aircraft, great destinations and a brilliant reputation operationally!! You would have to be a masochist to find working for SAA an unattractive career.
If you say you don't want to work for SAA, you are in denial, so reply to this post negatively and let us know by your making that reply who you are!!