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Comair eyeing SAX
From this week's Flight International:-
DATE:19/09/06
Comair eyes SAX for budget carrier
By Brendan Sobie
Airline considers buy or lease for Kulula expansion
South Africa's Comair is considering either acquiring South African Express (SAX) or hiring another regional carrier to operate a new fleet of turboprops for its budget operation Kulula.
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Comair eyes SAX for budget carrier
By Brendan Sobie
Airline considers buy or lease for Kulula expansion
South Africa's Comair is considering either acquiring South African Express (SAX) or hiring another regional carrier to operate a new fleet of turboprops for its budget operation Kulula.
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This would be a big move on the part of Comair and the govt if it was to happen.
Loco ops with turbo props do have a good precident with Flybe in the Uk using the Q400. Be interested to know what Kulula has planned for turboprop ops.
Presumably the CRJs would go???
What would SAA's position be - surely they wouldn't like to see their feeder sold off to the competition.
On a similar note whats the latest re SA Airlink the SAA "alliance"? I seem to recall the "marriage" was to last another year and that was about a year ago so what the latest?
Loco ops with turbo props do have a good precident with Flybe in the Uk using the Q400. Be interested to know what Kulula has planned for turboprop ops.
Presumably the CRJs would go???
What would SAA's position be - surely they wouldn't like to see their feeder sold off to the competition.
On a similar note whats the latest re SA Airlink the SAA "alliance"? I seem to recall the "marriage" was to last another year and that was about a year ago so what the latest?
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Things are fine and dandy between LINK and SAA-expecting that to be the status quo for a long time to come.
Comair are also looking to buy BP- which they wont- they will not buy SAX either. Their strategy is always to show a very keen interest- right up to the point of doing a due diligence. Once they have all the inside gen they put in a ridiculous bid and walk away with all the info. Bottom line is that ol uncle Dave is just too tight to splash the cash! Its just a grand info gathering exercise.
SAA worried of SAX being sold- not at all, they are in the same position as Link are in- as most of their core business is corporate, an inordinate amount of their regular traffic are voyager members- a database they do not own- SAA does. Considering 90% of their profit comes from 2 routes, its not a far stretch to imagine SAA making a plan there (SAA also does all the revenue accounting) so probably not an opportunity any sane airline would make in a hurry.
Comair also got out of turboprops in the late 90’s in a deal where they sold all of their route rights to SAX (for GBE and SZK)– effectively ensuring a revenue stream for the following 5 years with no operational outlay- clever chaps! I believe that deal came to an end recently so perhaps they want to make sure they weren’t crooked along the way!!
Nothing like a bit of post deal confirmation!! These guys will try anything!..you gotta love it!
Comair are also looking to buy BP- which they wont- they will not buy SAX either. Their strategy is always to show a very keen interest- right up to the point of doing a due diligence. Once they have all the inside gen they put in a ridiculous bid and walk away with all the info. Bottom line is that ol uncle Dave is just too tight to splash the cash! Its just a grand info gathering exercise.
SAA worried of SAX being sold- not at all, they are in the same position as Link are in- as most of their core business is corporate, an inordinate amount of their regular traffic are voyager members- a database they do not own- SAA does. Considering 90% of their profit comes from 2 routes, its not a far stretch to imagine SAA making a plan there (SAA also does all the revenue accounting) so probably not an opportunity any sane airline would make in a hurry.
Comair also got out of turboprops in the late 90’s in a deal where they sold all of their route rights to SAX (for GBE and SZK)– effectively ensuring a revenue stream for the following 5 years with no operational outlay- clever chaps! I believe that deal came to an end recently so perhaps they want to make sure they weren’t crooked along the way!!
Nothing like a bit of post deal confirmation!! These guys will try anything!..you gotta love it!
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Comair are also looking to buy BP- which they wont- they will not buy SAX either.
Considering 90% of their profit comes from 2 routes
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Who is Tulca (Pty) Ltd?
Enterprise Name: TULCA (PTY) LTD
Enterprise Number: 2006/018129/07
Enterprise Type: Private Company Last Type Date: 2006.06.12
Enterprise Status: Code 03 - In Business
Registration Date: 2006.06.12
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Industry Code: Code 65 - No Description
Tax Number: 9499780154
Year End: February
Effective Date: 2006.06.12
Authorised Capital: 1000 Authorised Shares: 1000
Issued Capital: 120 Issued Shares: 120
Registered Address: MEZZANINE LEVEL, DOMESTIC DEPARTMENT TERMINAL, JOHANNESBURG INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT, 1627
Postal Address: MEZZANINE LEVEL, DOMESTIC DEPARTMENT TERMINAL, JOHANNESBURG INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT, 1627
Director Name: NICO BEZUIDENHOUT
Director Type: Director Date Appointed: 2006.07.20
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Business Address: MEZZANINE LEVEL,, DOMESTIC DEPARTURE TERMINAL,
JOHANNESBURG INTERNATIONAL, AIRPORT, 1627
Postal Address: 11 CHILVERS ROAD, MORNING HILL, JOHANNESBURG, 2000
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Enterprise Type: Private Company Last Type Date: 2006.06.12
Enterprise Status: Code 03 - In Business
Registration Date: 2006.06.12
Date Commenced: 2006.06.12
Industry Code: Code 65 - No Description
Tax Number: 9499780154
Year End: February
Effective Date: 2006.06.12
Authorised Capital: 1000 Authorised Shares: 1000
Issued Capital: 120 Issued Shares: 120
Registered Address: MEZZANINE LEVEL, DOMESTIC DEPARTMENT TERMINAL, JOHANNESBURG INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT, 1627
Postal Address: MEZZANINE LEVEL, DOMESTIC DEPARTMENT TERMINAL, JOHANNESBURG INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT, 1627
Director Name: NICO BEZUIDENHOUT
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Who is Tulca's Nico Bezuidenhout?
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Enterprise Name: TICKETWEB (PTY) LTD
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Residential Addr: 9 DANKS COURT, ALBERT ROAD, TAMBOERSKLOOF, 8001
Enterprise Number: 1998/008344/07
Enterprise Name: AFRICAN CONCESSION MANAGEMENT (PTY) LTD
Full Names: NICO BEZUIDENHOUT
ID Number: 7608105247087
Director Type: Director Date Appointed: 1998.07.14
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Postal Address: 9 DANKS COURT, ALBERS ROAD, TAMBOERSKLOOF, 8001
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Residential Addr: 11 CHIVERS ROAD, MORNING HILL, BEDFORDVIEW, 2017
Enterprise Number: 2006/018129/07
Enterprise Name: TULCA (PTY) LTD
Full Names: NICO BEZUIDENHOUT
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Residential Addre: 11 CHILVERS ROAD, MORNING HILL, JOHANNESBURG, 2017
Enterprise Name: TICKETWEB (PTY) LTD
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Enterprise Number: 1998/008344/07
Enterprise Name: AFRICAN CONCESSION MANAGEMENT (PTY) LTD
Full Names: NICO BEZUIDENHOUT
ID Number: 7608105247087
Director Type: Director Date Appointed: 1998.07.14
Director Status: Active Last Status Date: 1998.07.14
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Postal Address: 9 DANKS COURT, ALBERS ROAD, TAMBOERSKLOOF, 8001
Enterprise Number: 2005/018494/23
Enterprise Name: SOMCA 71 CC
Full Names: NICO BEZUIDENHOUT
ID Number: 7608105247087
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Postal Address: P.O. BOX 1857, EADENVALE, 1620
Residential Addr: 11 CHIVERS ROAD, MORNING HILL, BEDFORDVIEW, 2017
Enterprise Number: 2006/018129/07
Enterprise Name: TULCA (PTY) LTD
Full Names: NICO BEZUIDENHOUT
ID Number: 7608105247087
Director Type: Director Date Appointed: 2006.07.20
Director Status: Active Last Status Date:
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JOHANNESBURG INTERNATIONAL, AIRPORT, 1627
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Very soon- they committed to being up and running for the domestic high season and that looks like that will be no problem-most of the ground staff have completed their training and are currently involved in user acceptance testing for their CRS and DCS components. Last chatted with the Chief Pilot a week or two ago and he told me the first group had finished all their sim training. Licence has been approved (subject to one or two paperwork issues) and no competition commission issues so all is set for the launch- on budget and within the timeframe the guys committed to- nice work guys!!
I’ve never been a fan of fancy paint jobs- I’m more a traditionalist when it comes to livery- but this orange thing is starting to grow on me!
I’ve never been a fan of fancy paint jobs- I’m more a traditionalist when it comes to livery- but this orange thing is starting to grow on me!
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Dunno if it has been mentioned b4, bt who is the Chief Pilot then..?
Is it some1 who was transferred from SAA, or yet another "dragged" out of retirement?
Wrt the crew that has already been trained - Where did they come from, as I was told that even SAFAIR 737 crews were poached... Surely they can't be from Nationwide, as I have to assume that these guys are still trying to work off their 3 month Notice Periods...
Next crews from Nationwide then I guess - Heard of some1 starting at Nationwide within the next week (Assume he is 1 of the "replacements")
Is it some1 who was transferred from SAA, or yet another "dragged" out of retirement?
Wrt the crew that has already been trained - Where did they come from, as I was told that even SAFAIR 737 crews were poached... Surely they can't be from Nationwide, as I have to assume that these guys are still trying to work off their 3 month Notice Periods...
Next crews from Nationwide then I guess - Heard of some1 starting at Nationwide within the next week (Assume he is 1 of the "replacements")
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Colleagues, a while back in the thread/s, it was noted that Civair's Mr. Andy Cluver had been appointed CEO of the LCC. The reocrd was put straight indicating this not to be the case, but a Mr. Nico Bezuidenhout. Does anyone know what the "real" story is behind this particular rumour?
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Q4NVS, I don’t think its fair to name people in an open forum therefore I will refrain from doing so- if you really want to know ask any SAA pilot as its not really a secret as to who he is. In terms of background he did work for SAA and has spent the last few years flying overseas before being recruited for this project. The reason it’s a person form outside the organisation is because an undertaking was given not to use any SAA resources for the LCC and this is in line with that. There is a very small team going across from SAA to form the nucleus of the management structure- all of them have resigned from the airline as a prerequisite for joining the LCC. Further more almost all of the frontline staff have been recruited outside of SAA. Any resources that were made available to the project team from an SAA perspective are in the process of being withdrawn as they have their license now so its up to them from here to make it happen.
There were quite a few guys form CE that I saw on the list- none of them as far as I know had the 3 month clause- seems there is quite a mixed bag in terms of contracts over there. Yes there were also guys from SAFAIR who also joined. Again form what I was told 737 experience (obviously not on 800’s and there were a few who had no experience on 737’s at all) and availability were key drivers in the selection of the first group. Going forward time is going to be built in to allow for prospective applicants who have to serve a notice period at their particular employers and the 737 experience factor will not be as high.
There were quite a few guys form CE that I saw on the list- none of them as far as I know had the 3 month clause- seems there is quite a mixed bag in terms of contracts over there. Yes there were also guys from SAFAIR who also joined. Again form what I was told 737 experience (obviously not on 800’s and there were a few who had no experience on 737’s at all) and availability were key drivers in the selection of the first group. Going forward time is going to be built in to allow for prospective applicants who have to serve a notice period at their particular employers and the 737 experience factor will not be as high.
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Have heard from a few sources now that the sales should open Monday 16 October. Operations are apparently due to start 16 November.
Their offices at JIA are being worked on at the moment, painted a very bright orange. Sunglasses are called for.
Their offices at JIA are being worked on at the moment, painted a very bright orange. Sunglasses are called for.
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FUG, where you been?? you hear right! phone lines being tested as we speak, call centre opens next week at a suitably nondescript location somewhere in Joburg , ops and head office located at JIA.
Sunglasses a prerequisite I’m afraid!
, ops and head office located at JIA. Sunglasses a prerequisite I’m afraid!
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DJ, you mean that their call centre is not based there as well? Got us all confused - stories of over 70 PC's being installed in that office and a further 40 odd in the office at the OVAL in CPT? If there is a call centre in addition to that its a large staff number.
Surely ACSA's ridiculous rentals at JIA make it a bit expensive to operate out of there.
Surely ACSA's ridiculous rentals at JIA make it a bit expensive to operate out of there.
