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"If you can slip in to SAA, get a decent type rating and some experience, and then go somewhere else while the SA licence is still well regarded. Remember the scandal a while back about licences for sale ? How much longer until your CPL/ATPL has the same status as a Nigerian one ?"
Metro Man,
What has the Nigerian CPL got to do with what you guys are talking about. For a start, most Nigerian Pilots have licenses from other countries, including SA (most only now come there because its harder to get US visa). Most of us in Nigeria know you guys in SA to be as racist as ever. I personally have observed all threads about SAA, and am always amazed at the racist comments. Most of us were glad Vigin was invited to be our Flag carrier, and you demostrated this to OBJ, before he kicked you lot out.
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"Getting back to my original point - OUR national carrier is in a difficult situation. They need crew! The supply of suitably qualified black pilots has been exhausted. Yet they are still being prevented from hiring experienced white South Africans. Would you prefer to see non-South Africans fulfill the necessary slots, in order to obtain your colour quota? Nigerians etc? "
Julliet-Echo,
Whats wrong with Nigerians coming in to fill the quota. We have a lot of SA guys flying in Nigeria and other parts of Africa. They are even paid more because of thier skin colour. I keep on telling guys here in Nigeria, I have lived amongst you people and I know your reasoning process. Africa is not made for SA whites pilots only, thank God people are starting to see that. Learn to accommodate the other Africans. If you feel you are not African then leave. We will learn our to govern ourselves. Europe was not build in a day, think about all the wars that was fought. We will get there.
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Extracts from the "Upset South African" thread currently running.
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"If you can slip in to SAA, get a decent type rating and some experience, and then go somewhere else while the SA licence is still well regarded. Remember the scandal a while back about licences for sale ? How much longer until your CPL/ATPL has the same status as a Nigerian one ?"
Metro Man,
What has the Nigerian CPL got to do with what you guys are talking about. For a start, most Nigerian Pilots have licenses from other countries, including SA (most only now come there because its harder to get US visa). Most of us in Nigeria know you guys in SA to be as racist as ever. I personally have observed all threads about SAA, and am always amazed at the racist comments. Most of us were glad Vigin was invited to be our Flag carrier, and you demostrated this to OBJ, before he kicked you lot out.
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"Getting back to my original point - OUR national carrier is in a difficult situation. They need crew! The supply of suitably qualified black pilots has been exhausted. Yet they are still being prevented from hiring experienced white South Africans. Would you prefer to see non-South Africans fulfill the necessary slots, in order to obtain your colour quota? Nigerians etc? "
Julliet-Echo,
Whats wrong with Nigerians coming in to fill the quota. We have a lot of SA guys flying in Nigeria and other parts of Africa. They are even paid more because of thier skin colour. I keep on telling guys here in Nigeria, I have lived amongst you people and I know your reasoning process. Africa is not made for SA whites pilots only, thank God people are starting to see that. Learn to accommodate the other Africans. If you feel you are not African then leave. We will learn our to govern ourselves. Europe was not build in a day, think about all the wars that was fought. We will get there.
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Extracts from the "Upset South African" thread currently running.
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Oba, Nigeria has a reputation for corruption, along with fraud and drug trafficking. In the first world the mere mention of anything Nigerian rings alarm bells. Would you trust a letter of credit (supposedly) issued by a Nigerian bank for example ?
Bribery, or "dash" as you call it is ingrained in your culture to the extent were it is impossible to operate in Nigeria without it. This rightly raises the question of the integrity of your licencing system. How much for a peek at the ATPL exam papers ? To pass a flight test ? Even a complete licence issued on the strength of a forged foreign one.
And you wonder why Nigerian Airlines are banned from much of the worlds airspace.
I saw the transformation of Air Zimbabwe from an all white pilot group, to a mixed pilot group, to a now virtually all black pilot group.
Some of the issues worth mentioning were:
1. A group of black pilots (and one token white) were issued with ATPLs on the basis of a ministerial directive. They couldn't pass the exams which were based on the British system. Later on FAA ATPs became eligable for conversion so problem solved. Note the licencing officer T.W. a man of integrity resigned over this.
2. Senior training captain summoned to Prime Ministers office and accused of racism for not passing a black pilot as captain. Training captain sneekily failed an engine after take off and was treated to a close look at the control tower for his trouble.
This is the sort of thing SAA has to look foward to, if it's not happening already.
The Zimbabwe licence used to be highly regarded, and many pilots got jobs with Cathay, Australian Airlines, Singapore, Gulf Air etc .
With the large population base in Nigeria, there will obviously be some talented pilots in there. Provided he or she has a licence from a country were they can't be bought, such as Canada, New Zealand, UK etc, and is flying for an airline not under pressure to promote on race regardless of ability then I will happily fly with him/her.
Unfortunately blacks have shown themselves unable to successfully run a country, with one or two exceptions such as Botswana. Why does most of Nigeria's population live in poverty when it has vast oil wealth ? I am not a racist just a realist. In my new job I am going to be working for non whites (Singaporeans), now these people do impress me with their ability to run a country and an airline.
I used to live in Africa, saw the writing on the wall and got out thank God.
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Extracts from the "Upset South African" thread currently running.
Bribery, or "dash" as you call it is ingrained in your culture to the extent were it is impossible to operate in Nigeria without it. This rightly raises the question of the integrity of your licencing system. How much for a peek at the ATPL exam papers ? To pass a flight test ? Even a complete licence issued on the strength of a forged foreign one.
And you wonder why Nigerian Airlines are banned from much of the worlds airspace.
I saw the transformation of Air Zimbabwe from an all white pilot group, to a mixed pilot group, to a now virtually all black pilot group.
Some of the issues worth mentioning were:
1. A group of black pilots (and one token white) were issued with ATPLs on the basis of a ministerial directive. They couldn't pass the exams which were based on the British system. Later on FAA ATPs became eligable for conversion so problem solved. Note the licencing officer T.W. a man of integrity resigned over this.
2. Senior training captain summoned to Prime Ministers office and accused of racism for not passing a black pilot as captain. Training captain sneekily failed an engine after take off and was treated to a close look at the control tower for his trouble.
This is the sort of thing SAA has to look foward to, if it's not happening already.
The Zimbabwe licence used to be highly regarded, and many pilots got jobs with Cathay, Australian Airlines, Singapore, Gulf Air etc .
With the large population base in Nigeria, there will obviously be some talented pilots in there. Provided he or she has a licence from a country were they can't be bought, such as Canada, New Zealand, UK etc, and is flying for an airline not under pressure to promote on race regardless of ability then I will happily fly with him/her.
Unfortunately blacks have shown themselves unable to successfully run a country, with one or two exceptions such as Botswana. Why does most of Nigeria's population live in poverty when it has vast oil wealth ? I am not a racist just a realist. In my new job I am going to be working for non whites (Singaporeans), now these people do impress me with their ability to run a country and an airline.
I used to live in Africa, saw the writing on the wall and got out thank God.
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Originally Posted by oba_idan_amani
..... know you guys in SA to be as racist as ever.
Really not nice to say things like that. I'm sure you would'nt like it if I said all Nigerians are either corrupt or drug dealers or both.
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Originally Posted by Metro man
Unfortunately blacks have shown themselves unable to successfully run a country, with one or two exceptions such as Botswana. Why does most of Nigeria's population live in poverty when it has vast oil wealth ? I am not a racist just a realist. In my new job I am going to be working for non whites (Singaporeans), now these people do impress me with their ability to run a country and an airline.
I don’t see your point regarding credit cards and frauds on this thread. That is another issue entirely, which if we go into, then I will blame the guys that have fallen victims. Let me give you some explanation regarding this so called fraud. There is always someone who has come across some millions (illegally) that needs to be ferried across to some banks in Europe or somewhere. In some cases this is genuine and not in others. You get to hear about the cases that are not. I will say, why help transfer money from a poor nation outside the country, if you get scammed and complain, you should be thrown in Jail (Beheaded if I was the president)?
With regards to Nigerian licensing, then you are talking with your ass wide open on this one. For a start, Nigeria does not in itself issue ATPL (CPL, yes, after you have spent donkey years at Zaria). You go to a country like the UK, US, Canada or even SA, get your ATPL there, then it gets converted to a Nigerian ATPL. What ATPL exams are you talking about anyway.
Can you also please enlighten us on the airspace Nigerian airlines have been banned from operating. Bellview Airlines stills fly into London and India on Nigerian registered planes. Very soon, Virgin Nigeria will be de-registered and will be flying everywhere with Nigerian crew including the US (one the DOT agreements has been sorted out). Afri Air has the right to fly into Spain from Nigeria, and are in the process getting a A330 or B767 (to be Nigerian Registered) for this operation. ADC also has the right to fly into Brussels, again from Nigeria. What are you talking about men. Have you flown with Nigerian pilots ? They are everywhere, middle-east, SA, British Airways, KLM, Easyjet, Ryanair, Das etc.
I can not comment on Air Zim, but I hope one of the guys working over there can at least come up on this forum and say something. I know there will be two sides to the stories. I wont be surprise, if people with your ideas are the ones behind the downfall. If you believe you are African, why run away to Singapore, stay here in Africa and help change it.
With regards to Nigeria, being ridden with poverty, I cant dispute that, but it will change. The government is doing something about corruption, governors are arrested left / right and centre. Things are getting better, and we are here to put in our own quota. We will get there, Europe and America went through the same thing. We will survive.
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Originally Posted by oba_idan_amani
I wont be surprise, if people with your ideas are the ones behind the downfall.
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I see this is going to take a lot of patience and the extensive use of illustrations.
P.S. oba - I will type real slow when I reply again. And I appologise in advance - it really is unfair to get involved in a battle of wits with an opponent that is obviously unarmed.
P.S. oba - I will type real slow when I reply again. And I appologise in advance - it really is unfair to get involved in a battle of wits with an opponent that is obviously unarmed.
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hmmm nigerians drug traffickers?
takes a buyer to know a seller
a country of junkies will always attract drug dealers
i dont see drug dealers in nigeria,a highly un lucrative buisness
takes a buyer to know a seller
a country of junkies will always attract drug dealers
i dont see drug dealers in nigeria,a highly un lucrative buisness
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Guys,
You know what really amazes me about the south 'african' whites is their ability to blend.
When the going gets tough, they quickly remember the colour of their skin!
When its all good they say they are proud to be african!
Well, gentlemen, i have news for you. There is a movement going on right now for africa to be reclaimed by africans
!! Your stay on our continent has come to an end. I must remind you, that neither the english nor americans will accept to harbour you lot.
It may be wise to start making arrangements in Holland or Germany where you freaky lot came from, for your final re-absorbtion into society.
What Mobutu is doing will be a complete joke when the revolution bursts open.
You lot are no more intellingent than a bunch of Dingoes,
I shall see your faces on your judgement day!!!
Its time to run boys, just thought as collegues, you should have a head start.
You know what really amazes me about the south 'african' whites is their ability to blend.
When the going gets tough, they quickly remember the colour of their skin!
When its all good they say they are proud to be african!
Well, gentlemen, i have news for you. There is a movement going on right now for africa to be reclaimed by africans
!! Your stay on our continent has come to an end. I must remind you, that neither the english nor americans will accept to harbour you lot.It may be wise to start making arrangements in Holland or Germany where you freaky lot came from, for your final re-absorbtion into society.
What Mobutu is doing will be a complete joke when the revolution bursts open.
You lot are no more intellingent than a bunch of Dingoes,
I shall see your faces on your judgement day!!!
Its time to run boys, just thought as collegues, you should have a head start.
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Things are really starting to get real ugly now here on pprune. I think our former president had a really good vision for South Africa and perhaps that's a model that should exist in the rest of the world.
The only problem with his vision is that it will not work if it comes ftom the side of the blacks only because we are starting from nowhere and over night we are supposed to be equal with whites who have had an unfair advantage over years. The whites are still too happy to see us suffer and being second class citizens in our indigenous country.
Anyone who tries to talk sense about issues of national socio-economic interest is crushed, I think they like what happened in Zimbabwe and some African countries. And then they leave a mess of poverty, civil wars and later claim Africans cannot govern themselves after they have raped that country with all their precious materials.
IN SA there's still lots of cream for them and they will not leave just yet. Remember when the going gets tough, the white man departs to cash in on their offshore investments.
The only problem with his vision is that it will not work if it comes ftom the side of the blacks only because we are starting from nowhere and over night we are supposed to be equal with whites who have had an unfair advantage over years. The whites are still too happy to see us suffer and being second class citizens in our indigenous country.
Anyone who tries to talk sense about issues of national socio-economic interest is crushed, I think they like what happened in Zimbabwe and some African countries. And then they leave a mess of poverty, civil wars and later claim Africans cannot govern themselves after they have raped that country with all their precious materials.
IN SA there's still lots of cream for them and they will not leave just yet. Remember when the going gets tough, the white man departs to cash in on their offshore investments.
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Unfortunately blacks have shown themselves unable to successfully run a country, with one or two exceptions such as Botswana.
Even though apartheid officially ended some time ago, it really doesn't show when you read some comments on pprunes african forum. And the really sad thing is that they dont see anything wrong with the kind of views they hold. To an extent I really do feel sorry for them(and thats the truth) because they feel very conered. Its like a spoilt child who's used to having everything done for them at the expence of the other children, now having to put up with the fact that the other kids need to have the same goodies they've enjoyed for a long time.
You guys are clearly in someone else's country, lets not even talk about the past crimes that have been commited by the whites under apartheid, lets assume we were starting with a clean slate here. Would it not make sense to try and appeal to the majority so as to have a say in SA's aviation future, rather than being racist at every oppurtunity and putting down the fellow "Africans" that you "SOMETIMES" call your countrymen? its no good being african when you choose to be and when you choose not to be, you spout out drivel about your so called brothers and sisters. Your either in or your not. Be consistent.
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"Well left to you, blacks should never rule any country. You guys in South Africa (wont like to generalise) will rather come and do it for us, wont you. Thank God this Apartheid thing was stop, its this damage the guys (SA government) are trying to put right. Am sure since your are convinced blacks are stupid, you will have been looking at conquering the whole of Africa by now. Then you will be able to fly their planes around, be worshiped by the blacks guys and be treated as God by the black guys (you ****). "
Oba, dont let anyone tell you your stupid. You understand things perfectly....
Look back a bit... Nairobi used to have beautiful streets you could drive on. Rhodesia was one of the Agricultural leaders in Africa. South Africa, as modern as any..
Now all are transformed and Africa returns to its beginnings.
These are facts, nobody HAS to point fingers.
Since we are playing this game on two threads here and no doubt the Mods are almost ready to pounce, I will just post the other reply for Oba.
Some have said they wont lower themselves to argue with an idiot. Maybe I am on equal terms.........Whatever
Oba, dont let anyone tell you your stupid. You understand things perfectly....
Look back a bit... Nairobi used to have beautiful streets you could drive on. Rhodesia was one of the Agricultural leaders in Africa. South Africa, as modern as any..
Now all are transformed and Africa returns to its beginnings.
These are facts, nobody HAS to point fingers.
Since we are playing this game on two threads here and no doubt the Mods are almost ready to pounce, I will just post the other reply for Oba.
Some have said they wont lower themselves to argue with an idiot. Maybe I am on equal terms.........Whatever
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I'd dearly like to close this thread but I'm going to keep it going to display the nepotism and bigoted views of some of our contributors. LongJohnT, you're on final warning with your blithering "judgment day" posting. Anymore inciting, racist posts like that, unrelated to aviation & you will lose the privilege of contributing to these forums.
Carry on gentlemen but proceed with caution and due respect for others.
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Carry on gentlemen but proceed with caution and due respect for others.
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Haba LJT/Oba,
Na wha oh for una all. Please make una show some maturity on dis forum, we dey betta dan all dat. I know sai the tings weh dey happen down under for SA no to good for de dudu. You go gree sai dey country don go far if you compare am to our country. E go take a while for the dudu in SA to get the same kind of liver wey we get for Naiga and confront dem as equal partners, den den go see OBA.
Oyinbo for there no sabi talk, make dem just de look dem, and move forward. It will take time make oyinbo to gree say efry body equal, maybe neva.
If dem go the Zimbabwe way dey don all finish. God forbid
Take am easy
Na wha oh for una all. Please make una show some maturity on dis forum, we dey betta dan all dat. I know sai the tings weh dey happen down under for SA no to good for de dudu. You go gree sai dey country don go far if you compare am to our country. E go take a while for the dudu in SA to get the same kind of liver wey we get for Naiga and confront dem as equal partners, den den go see OBA.
Oyinbo for there no sabi talk, make dem just de look dem, and move forward. It will take time make oyinbo to gree say efry body equal, maybe neva.
If dem go the Zimbabwe way dey don all finish. God forbid
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This thread reminds me of the previous one about "How to spot an African on a plane/airport " Anyway my beef is the fact that all this cheap foreigner who are generalizing about the dark continent are the silly and unwilling souls to mix and learn about this happy continent.