"If my DAD were Scully"
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"If my DAD where Scully"
Is it true that Nationwide now accepts crew members to fly with less than 750hrs total time, "if you have they connection", like obviously his little darling girl has!!!!!
Are there not more qualified people out there looking for work or am I just hearing false stories of jobless pilots having to fly contract for a million years to get anywhere!!!!!!!
Any help?????
Are there not more qualified people out there looking for work or am I just hearing false stories of jobless pilots having to fly contract for a million years to get anywhere!!!!!!!
Any help?????
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Yes, she is starting at Nationwide I am told by a reliable source. I have no idea of her total time. Seems a little odd though.....surely she won't be hanging around at Nationwide for too long. I mean, it's surely only a matter of time until she undergoes the formality of the SAA interview process? I'd love to know if this is all fair play....I feel this sucks for those guys sweating out there in mother Africa, hearing stuff like this.
And yeah, good for her, but I don't think anyone need worry about it all working out for her.....
And yeah, good for her, but I don't think anyone need worry about it all working out for her.....
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I'm guessing any one of us would do the same given the opportunity. Guess we just have to keep banging the head on the wall and things will eventually work out for us...
Could be worse, I suppose...
Could be worse, I suppose...
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Funny that whenever a female pilot gets a job, its always about who she knows/who her dad is/who she is in a relationship with. Is it only men who can get a job on merit? Can it not possibly be due to the fact that she has a qualification, and just might be good at flying?
Get over it, guys. Women can also do this job! And we can also get the job without outside intervention.
Get over it, guys. Women can also do this job! And we can also get the job without outside intervention.
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Rather funny...in a ha, ha, way!?
It stinks rotten! Broederbond, fatherbond....reminds of books written by Mario Puzzo. The tendancy seems natural to advance one's bloodline, but in the process, is the real stronger one advanced?
Granted, it is quite a jungle out there, but these sort of behaviour traits, leads to opposing packs to form from within, which only within a matter of time will in turn become destructive.
What hope is left for anyone in SA, as these type of things happend/s at all levels, I know. A terrible cancer in any society and terribly unfair to the recipient, as the pressure to perform, sometimes outweighs the ability.
Poor DE or TRE/TRI loosing it in the heat of the sim session, and my uncle/brother/father will sort you out syndrome automatically kicks in, it's nothing different as the Dube story, which is why we had the Dube story, because they thought it's OPS normal. The right handshake, bloodline, contact, SAAF sqd. secures it, in the meantime, poor individual has a lot of ability, but what about the other thousand outside with even more ability....
OK, let's clear out all the poor, wrong bloodline peasants. They are only taking up too much space....methinks about a couple of history incidents that may have the storming of the Bastille look like a fairy tale!
Carry on. Natural selection always prevails!
Granted, it is quite a jungle out there, but these sort of behaviour traits, leads to opposing packs to form from within, which only within a matter of time will in turn become destructive.
What hope is left for anyone in SA, as these type of things happend/s at all levels, I know. A terrible cancer in any society and terribly unfair to the recipient, as the pressure to perform, sometimes outweighs the ability.
Poor DE or TRE/TRI loosing it in the heat of the sim session, and my uncle/brother/father will sort you out syndrome automatically kicks in, it's nothing different as the Dube story, which is why we had the Dube story, because they thought it's OPS normal. The right handshake, bloodline, contact, SAAF sqd. secures it, in the meantime, poor individual has a lot of ability, but what about the other thousand outside with even more ability....
OK, let's clear out all the poor, wrong bloodline peasants. They are only taking up too much space....methinks about a couple of history incidents that may have the storming of the Bastille look like a fairy tale!
Carry on. Natural selection always prevails!
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climbfl510,
I sincerely hope that this is simply a wind-up. This individual has done nothing to deserve this kind of disrespect.
I have seen Nationwide taking people that are far less qualified and, quite frankly, with far less ability....and I speak from a position of authority.
I think it is unfortunate that people today can only get ahead by bringing others down. Have you ever stopped to consider that this person may never be judged on merit, despite being a capable pilot. How would you feel if every achievement of yours was scuppered by your peers that cannot make it on their own?
I think your post sucks and you should apologise.
KTK
I sincerely hope that this is simply a wind-up. This individual has done nothing to deserve this kind of disrespect.
I have seen Nationwide taking people that are far less qualified and, quite frankly, with far less ability....and I speak from a position of authority.
I think it is unfortunate that people today can only get ahead by bringing others down. Have you ever stopped to consider that this person may never be judged on merit, despite being a capable pilot. How would you feel if every achievement of yours was scuppered by your peers that cannot make it on their own?
I think your post sucks and you should apologise.
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Here we go again
Sad how these things will always be a part of our wonderful industry. I have to agree with kenny here. I am really happy she's in and it's what we all are after. It's just sad that there is so much experiance out there that could really benefit the industry but we are kept deep in the jungle. I have been told now a few times that I have to much time to apply, and how I really would like to come back home!!( this rat hole really does not do it for me)
The thing that will always be here to stay is that people get there lucky breaks and hopefully one day I will get mine If you know the people use the people, and if your quilified to do it go for it.
For me it's back to my burnt out aircon and african beer
To all you contactors out there, our time is coming we will be top once again
Sad how these things will always be a part of our wonderful industry. I have to agree with kenny here. I am really happy she's in and it's what we all are after. It's just sad that there is so much experiance out there that could really benefit the industry but we are kept deep in the jungle. I have been told now a few times that I have to much time to apply, and how I really would like to come back home!!( this rat hole really does not do it for me) The thing that will always be here to stay is that people get there lucky breaks and hopefully one day I will get mine If you know the people use the people, and if your quilified to do it go for it.
For me it's back to my burnt out aircon and african beer
To all you contactors out there, our time is coming we will be top once again
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Guys i think personal attacks on here are a bit uncalled for.
many of us know the person in question,some better than others.i've met the individual in question only a few times all outside of the professional context,and from the little i know of her she has some pretty heavy duty experience with aerobatics amongst other flying.Everything i could gather from chatting to her briefly indicated she was a very competent aviator.Please guys,lets not try bring others down on here.It might well be true that being who she is helped,but then wouldn't YOU use what you could to get ahead? Life isn't fair all the time. As Lance Armstrong said of the Tour de France:'its a hard race,but hard work wins it".Thats what'll get those NOT connected to the top,not complaining about others.
Cheers,Cb.
many of us know the person in question,some better than others.i've met the individual in question only a few times all outside of the professional context,and from the little i know of her she has some pretty heavy duty experience with aerobatics amongst other flying.Everything i could gather from chatting to her briefly indicated she was a very competent aviator.Please guys,lets not try bring others down on here.It might well be true that being who she is helped,but then wouldn't YOU use what you could to get ahead? Life isn't fair all the time. As Lance Armstrong said of the Tour de France:'its a hard race,but hard work wins it".Thats what'll get those NOT connected to the top,not complaining about others.
Cheers,Cb.
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Hey guys lets look at this from the other side How S*#t must it be to land a great job and then have every one else say " you only got it because of your father". I flew with this person a few years back when she was doing her PPL and she did really well as I remember.
Yes I'm sure there are many of us out in the field doing contracts with a good few more hours and who feel we should be getting the chance but lets face it, it is not only about who you know although it sure helps!
EW
Yes I'm sure there are many of us out in the field doing contracts with a good few more hours and who feel we should be getting the chance but lets face it, it is not only about who you know although it sure helps!
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Solly once proved that the apple really does not land far from the tree, after I mentioned this a couple of times to him, and he had to prove it to himself.
At the akademie in VTH, some rolling stones never gathered moss too, and with a hop skip and jump, I could've had Solly into spoories with my serious connectedness, but alas, Solly's "upside-down-papbord" really took off one day!
He's now quite happy of his command position on our trips to this side of the moon and back. His career thus literally took off at warpspeed, and he has also proved that luck is never a probability in aviation, too much science involved!
Today, he counts himself a very lucky Solly!
MF
PS. History always repeats itself, and that is a fact!
At the akademie in VTH, some rolling stones never gathered moss too, and with a hop skip and jump, I could've had Solly into spoories with my serious connectedness, but alas, Solly's "upside-down-papbord" really took off one day!
He's now quite happy of his command position on our trips to this side of the moon and back. His career thus literally took off at warpspeed, and he has also proved that luck is never a probability in aviation, too much science involved!
Today, he counts himself a very lucky Solly!
MF
PS. History always repeats itself, and that is a fact!
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Relax everyone, you would have to be pretty thin-skinned to consider any of this a 'personal attack'. If she does have less than 1000 hrs then she has less than all the recent hires at Nwide, so you have to admit, to somebody on the outside it looks suspect. IF she does have those hours, I don't know the facts. Nobody said she couldn't do the job, and who cares if she's female - in this day and age you really don't need to get all tense and defensive about that. Also, we all know that total time is not necessarily an indication of an individuals abilities.
Nonetheless, I feel it's unfair to the boys/girls out there who have spent long hours away from home etc etc and should be up front in the queue when it comes to home jobs, it's as simple as that.
Now, my *personal* opinion (and this has NOTHING to do with the individual in questions abilities AT ALL): I find it extremely hard to believe that either her name or her father had NOTHING to do with her being hired. I plan to ask a few more questions, purely to find out what really happened. I know I, and most of us would do the same in her position in any case. So, no judgement on her, only on the situation/system.
Nonetheless, I feel it's unfair to the boys/girls out there who have spent long hours away from home etc etc and should be up front in the queue when it comes to home jobs, it's as simple as that.
Now, my *personal* opinion (and this has NOTHING to do with the individual in questions abilities AT ALL): I find it extremely hard to believe that either her name or her father had NOTHING to do with her being hired. I plan to ask a few more questions, purely to find out what really happened. I know I, and most of us would do the same in her position in any case. So, no judgement on her, only on the situation/system.
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Nationwide employs pilots with that type of time all the time, anyone remeber the pay as you go scheme?
If you have the money and "maybe" the connections you are in there thats the way it goes.
Heard a rumour that they abolishing the pay as you go story and back to training bonds, good for us poor pilots out there. Now just gotta get an interview.
Good for her though, good luck enjoy the 1000hrs jet time a year!
If you have the money and "maybe" the connections you are in there thats the way it goes.
Heard a rumour that they abolishing the pay as you go story and back to training bonds, good for us poor pilots out there. Now just gotta get an interview.
Good for her though, good luck enjoy the 1000hrs jet time a year!
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Well said Shrike200!
Now watch as the aviation heavies on this forum keeps very quiet, or take a defensive stance too, funny hey?!
Airmanship or womanship for that matter was developed to have an initial said of unwritten and then later written rules as to how to go about when in the pointy part.
As in sport, how come a person's medal or fame will be removed if found that doping (an unfair advantage) is found, but in aviation it's ok? In business it's called ethics, otherwise you may be likened to the mob. You hit me, WE hit you, and pay your protection money, it's due, capeesch!
But then again, some appointments at NW recently...
MF
Now watch as the aviation heavies on this forum keeps very quiet, or take a defensive stance too, funny hey?!
Airmanship or womanship for that matter was developed to have an initial said of unwritten and then later written rules as to how to go about when in the pointy part.
As in sport, how come a person's medal or fame will be removed if found that doping (an unfair advantage) is found, but in aviation it's ok? In business it's called ethics, otherwise you may be likened to the mob. You hit me, WE hit you, and pay your protection money, it's due, capeesch!
But then again, some appointments at NW recently...
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Shrike 200,
You about the only one that can actually look into what its about, and being, its not about being a women, or a personal attack at the person concerned or that s##t.
Its is the simple fact, of how do people progress these days if all what is happening is that people are pulling strings and then just moving into really high positions with a very little experience, And don't kid urself, she is probably a very good pilot, BUT and I say it Again BUT is she ready for this HUGE HUGE Jump, this thing isn't a "hawker slowly" it moves. In my eyes and its my opinion there is better and more qualified people standing in huge huge lines at NTW doors, begging for a job, BUT they don't have the connection are people to pull strings!!!!!!
Also from the stories floating around, the sim check went horribly wrong, but there was a 2nd chance!!! heard of many guys that weren't given this chance, is this true or is it a "personal attack" for whatever that is KennytheKing!!!!!
This is another reason why us good, hard working South Africans with the correct requirements are heading across the "Pond" to the fragrant harbour, where this **** aint happening and you are selected on experience and requirements!!!!!!
Anyway be it what it is,
"Over and Out"
Climbfl510
You about the only one that can actually look into what its about, and being, its not about being a women, or a personal attack at the person concerned or that s##t.
Its is the simple fact, of how do people progress these days if all what is happening is that people are pulling strings and then just moving into really high positions with a very little experience, And don't kid urself, she is probably a very good pilot, BUT and I say it Again BUT is she ready for this HUGE HUGE Jump, this thing isn't a "hawker slowly" it moves. In my eyes and its my opinion there is better and more qualified people standing in huge huge lines at NTW doors, begging for a job, BUT they don't have the connection are people to pull strings!!!!!!
Also from the stories floating around, the sim check went horribly wrong, but there was a 2nd chance!!! heard of many guys that weren't given this chance, is this true or is it a "personal attack" for whatever that is KennytheKing!!!!!
This is another reason why us good, hard working South Africans with the correct requirements are heading across the "Pond" to the fragrant harbour, where this **** aint happening and you are selected on experience and requirements!!!!!!
Anyway be it what it is,
"Over and Out"
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Climbfl510 get off your pedestal and get to reality china. I have worked with the person in question and can tell you that she deserves where she has got to.
Thanx KTK for the support u have shown and sincerely hope that this type of name bashing gets bashed into the ground where it belongs! Easy for the likes of 510 to sit and hide behind a pc and expose the names of others and see what happens. Childish!!
Thanx KTK for the support u have shown and sincerely hope that this type of name bashing gets bashed into the ground where it belongs! Easy for the likes of 510 to sit and hide behind a pc and expose the names of others and see what happens. Childish!!
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I think that most of you have missed the point of this post.. The question asked was did she meet the min requirements that apply to everyone to get accepted into nationwide?
If so, then that settles it, if not, then good for her for jumping the que and getting a very lucky break that the rest of us won't get. I do not know her personally and i think that this is being taken far too personally by some people, judging by the replies that have been posted..
Have a safe 2006 to all out there
If so, then that settles it, if not, then good for her for jumping the que and getting a very lucky break that the rest of us won't get. I do not know her personally and i think that this is being taken far too personally by some people, judging by the replies that have been posted..
Have a safe 2006 to all out there
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I cant say I approve of the way this thread was started......
It clearly fingers out a certain individual (and her father), and insinuates that she has been given preference over other pilots.
Why do that?
If you feel that strongly about the issue, why not approach the subject in a different manner, and get an objective discussion going.
Poor show.......
It clearly fingers out a certain individual (and her father), and insinuates that she has been given preference over other pilots.
Why do that?
If you feel that strongly about the issue, why not approach the subject in a different manner, and get an objective discussion going.
Poor show.......
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I don't know the person at all, but if she had a Com, she met the requirements!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If her name might have helped her , so be it. Only 2 decades ago, she would not have been given an equal chance at all, however, there was not a lot of complaints at that stage, as we were all on the right side of the equality fence. Well done whoever you are, may you have a long, safe and prosperous flying career.
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The kettle's calling the pots black?
saywhat's back....guess why? You know what, 12 years ago, it wasn't right too, but guess what, it happened. So two wrongs added up for a right for you. Many papa's organised a selection board to overlook a squint eye, wooden leg or three.
VB, can and obviously has done with NW just what he likes. Spoories is another story, and there's many a PF child walking the corridors at Kempton Park and beyond, with their chips and bars firmly in place.
SpootNICK, what's the difference between this and the Lucky Dube thread? Did you call FOUL on that one, wait I'll go look....
MF
saywhat's back....guess why? You know what, 12 years ago, it wasn't right too, but guess what, it happened. So two wrongs added up for a right for you. Many papa's organised a selection board to overlook a squint eye, wooden leg or three.
VB, can and obviously has done with NW just what he likes. Spoories is another story, and there's many a PF child walking the corridors at Kempton Park and beyond, with their chips and bars firmly in place.
SpootNICK, what's the difference between this and the Lucky Dube thread? Did you call FOUL on that one, wait I'll go look....
MF