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Deer Riccardo,
I can to think that Mr.Dog is right in this posting. When I first coming to the South Africas, I was to try also to hard. Finaly I make it and get job with airline. Peoples in the airline make me like dogstyle. i having to fight very hard. The peoples making fun of me of my englis and try to dogstyle with me to boss. I prove my self very hard in the flying. Ok, like said, my tong not english, but my hands of pilot, not of dog. I can to see you making it, but you can to have to tae Mr.Dog advis. You have to make diference aproach to aply for job, you can to suceed this manner.
I hoping you the best for you!
I can to think that Mr.Dog is right in this posting. When I first coming to the South Africas, I was to try also to hard. Finaly I make it and get job with airline. Peoples in the airline make me like dogstyle. i having to fight very hard. The peoples making fun of me of my englis and try to dogstyle with me to boss. I prove my self very hard in the flying. Ok, like said, my tong not english, but my hands of pilot, not of dog. I can to see you making it, but you can to have to tae Mr.Dog advis. You have to make diference aproach to aply for job, you can to suceed this manner.
I hoping you the best for you!
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You're a rude ignorant cretin, now take a hike.
Strange that you registered only a week ago, and your ripping off a guy with a bit of a grievance.
RV,
I think many guys sympathise with you. As you're probably aware unless you have the right to live and work in SA it is difficult to get a job here. Basically that is simply due to the Government's immigration policy.
I don't think it is worth getting into a slanging match about whether it is right or not that foreigners should or should not be employed - period. There are those who will regularly trot out the arument about unemployed pilots and foreigners stealing jobs, food and women etc
If you want to work in any country there is always a legal process to go through as a non citizen/permanent resident.
I know it's easier said than done but try and stay positive and engage the guys in a positive way. One of the great aspects of Pprune is that in the real spirit of pprune most chaps are usually full of helpful suggestions/ideas.
I'm still interested as to why no one has commented on your post re. the muslim pilot job offer. I noticed it was a UK contact......surely that is against the law of the UK/EU as it is out and out discrimination. Quite frankly I find such an idea that an airline can operate on such a basis as chilling.
You're a rude ignorant cretin, now take a hike.
Strange that you registered only a week ago, and your ripping off a guy with a bit of a grievance.
RV,
I think many guys sympathise with you. As you're probably aware unless you have the right to live and work in SA it is difficult to get a job here. Basically that is simply due to the Government's immigration policy.
I don't think it is worth getting into a slanging match about whether it is right or not that foreigners should or should not be employed - period. There are those who will regularly trot out the arument about unemployed pilots and foreigners stealing jobs, food and women etc
If you want to work in any country there is always a legal process to go through as a non citizen/permanent resident.
I know it's easier said than done but try and stay positive and engage the guys in a positive way. One of the great aspects of Pprune is that in the real spirit of pprune most chaps are usually full of helpful suggestions/ideas.
I'm still interested as to why no one has commented on your post re. the muslim pilot job offer. I noticed it was a UK contact......surely that is against the law of the UK/EU as it is out and out discrimination. Quite frankly I find such an idea that an airline can operate on such a basis as chilling.
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Riccardo: I have been and know of other foreigners who have worked for African companies - it is possible but it is not your right and you have to bring to the table something that company wants ie. a rating, a language, maturity/command, contacts etc. If you don't have it get it.
Try contract companies as they don't need to apply for work visas if you are based outside the company's country of reg.
As with most things in life it's all about timing.
But I believe no hard work is ever wasted so I'm quite sure you will get 'that' job. In the meantime use this time constructively and when you get your call be prepared to make sacrifices/compromises.......we all do.
As for your english; I've flown with guys that couldn't string a conversational sentence together and others who were practically dyslexic it never affected their ability to do a perfect landing and make safe judgement calls.
.........and don't forget however hard it is in Africa there is a LOT more competition in UK - we have very highly qualified pilots from all over the world (EU and commonwealth) vying for jobs.
Good luck.
Try contract companies as they don't need to apply for work visas if you are based outside the company's country of reg.
As with most things in life it's all about timing.
But I believe no hard work is ever wasted so I'm quite sure you will get 'that' job. In the meantime use this time constructively and when you get your call be prepared to make sacrifices/compromises.......we all do.
As for your english; I've flown with guys that couldn't string a conversational sentence together and others who were practically dyslexic it never affected their ability to do a perfect landing and make safe judgement calls.
.........and don't forget however hard it is in Africa there is a LOT more competition in UK - we have very highly qualified pilots from all over the world (EU and commonwealth) vying for jobs.
Good luck.
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No one wants free ride
To get to the point of the situation were we are is evident , but it doesnt seems to me that too many understand the more we fight each others for the glory and the beauty of some "Vampire Operators"the less we get.
Not long time ago I heard an "acting"chief pilot saying:
"I cannot belive 'they pay me for flying"
Lets go back to the real point
"Be proud to be a pilot "
Remember
We are those persons that make the money for the operators so they can drive nice cars,have a nice houses and so on.
If is not my right to get a job ,it is not their right to abuse .
They have to be gratefull to us and not the opposite way.
We make the MONEY for them do not forget.
Do we not let them to destroy our PRIDE of be a pilot.
Sincerely
Riccardo Volante
Not long time ago I heard an "acting"chief pilot saying:
"I cannot belive 'they pay me for flying"
Lets go back to the real point
"Be proud to be a pilot "
Remember
We are those persons that make the money for the operators so they can drive nice cars,have a nice houses and so on.
If is not my right to get a job ,it is not their right to abuse .
They have to be gratefull to us and not the opposite way.
We make the MONEY for them do not forget.
Do we not let them to destroy our PRIDE of be a pilot.
Sincerely
Riccardo Volante
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HI Riccardo. I just have one question for you. Why wont you just let it rest now already....what more are you trying to milk out of this thread. You have gained lots of sympathy from many of the folks here, and we all hold thumbs for you in the future, but really mate.....its time to walk away from it now. I have a feeling that if you spend more time hunting for jobs, and less time ressurecting this boring old thread, you might just be surprised.
ps. Did you ever try and make contact with CLOUD BREAK about B200 jobs in the middle east?? Pm me if you need some inside info.
Ok?
Best of luck.
ps. Did you ever try and make contact with CLOUD BREAK about B200 jobs in the middle east?? Pm me if you need some inside info.
Ok?
Best of luck.
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I FEEL YOU RICK.
PLEASE GUYS DONT TEAR THIS GUY APART WE ALL HAVE GONE THROUGH WHAT HE IS GOING THROUGH, FOR THE LOVE OF FLYING.THIS INDUSTRY HAVE HIT THE ROCK BOTTOM MOST OF US ARE GOING UP HILL BUT PRETTY MUCH SOON WE WILL ALL BE CRUISING DOWN HILL,RIC NEVER FEEL SORRY FOR YOUR SELF IN LIFE,ITS NOT A BED OF ROSES.I ONCE WAS AT THE SAME POSITION LOW HOURS,BROKE WITH NO HOPE IN SIGHT AND I WILL GIVE YOU SOME GOLDEN ADVICE. I TOOK A JOB WITH A SMALL REGIONAL AIRLINE AS A CUSTOMER SERVICE.ONCE INSIDE I SET UP BEING THE BEST AT WHAT I WAS DOING, MOST IMPORTANT IS [ATTITUDE AND WELL GROOMED] I TREATED MY BOSS WHO WAS A VERY BEAUTIFUL BRODE LIKE A QUEEN. I NEVER KISSED UP NOR LOOSE MY DIGNITY.TWO YEARS LATER I WAS ON THE RIGHT SEAT ON AN EMBRAIR.TODAY I"M THE CAPTAIN.SO RIC KEEP YOUR HEAD HIGH DONT GIVE UP AND YOU WILL PREVAIL.REMEMBER THE BEAUTIFULL BOSS, SHE IS NOW MY WIFE.GOOD LUCK RIC,AND LETS ALL BE HUMBLE GIVE THIS GUY A CHANCE TO EXPRESS HIMSELF, HE NEVER CLAIMED TO BE AN ENGLISH PROFFESOR.
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HE NEVER CLAIMED TO BE AN ENGLISH PROFFESOR
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Feel you too.
I dont mean no harm to no body, I was only trying to look out for Ric,It doesnt cost nothing to uprift somebodys spirit, might make somebodys day,hope l made yours by using the CAPLOCK,Please if you have nothing positive to offer other than pointing fingers stay on the sidelines.I speak and write four different languages,l dont teach none of them.FEEL ME?
Yup, (blushing now) I FEEL YOU kingara. 4HP (What us mod's have to do to keep you lot happy)
Yup, (blushing now) I FEEL YOU kingara. 4HP (What us mod's have to do to keep you lot happy)
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Ciao Riccardo,
I'm in a economic mood here in a pizzachart way you know....you're from Italy, Correct?
Did you have any successes yet, with the job man, hey I'm sure you being Italian must be attractive!
Me, I read the Godfather once and I think the Sicilians (or Mario Puzo) really gave you Italians a bad name man. It's really not true that behind every great success, is a (great) crime. We in SA know that man!
I remember a company in SA, well I think it was - Fatti's&Moanies or what was it again....?
Why don't you contact the owner, he could be also an Italian, many of them in SA, Berlusconi type guys, very rich you know and very nice (pizza's too) of course.
Maybe you two can then start - SPAGHETTI AIR cc.
LCC I would go, I can see the slogan: "Cheap on da ticket - andha bastha, wies di Pasta!"
I think the Italian club last was in Bedfordview or was it Edenvale, I'm sure another nice guy that was involved with a place on the threshold of 03R could also be of assitance perhaps. Now...he is a....how can I say this.....a really stand-up guy!
You see, there's all sorts of nice people in SA.
Capish?
Your friend in Africa affairs
MF
I'm in a economic mood here in a pizzachart way you know....you're from Italy, Correct?
Did you have any successes yet, with the job man, hey I'm sure you being Italian must be attractive!
Me, I read the Godfather once and I think the Sicilians (or Mario Puzo) really gave you Italians a bad name man. It's really not true that behind every great success, is a (great) crime. We in SA know that man!
I remember a company in SA, well I think it was - Fatti's&Moanies or what was it again....?
Why don't you contact the owner, he could be also an Italian, many of them in SA, Berlusconi type guys, very rich you know and very nice (pizza's too) of course.
Maybe you two can then start - SPAGHETTI AIR cc.
LCC I would go, I can see the slogan: "Cheap on da ticket - andha bastha, wies di Pasta!"
I think the Italian club last was in Bedfordview or was it Edenvale, I'm sure another nice guy that was involved with a place on the threshold of 03R could also be of assitance perhaps. Now...he is a....how can I say this.....a really stand-up guy!
You see, there's all sorts of nice people in SA.
Capish?
Your friend in Africa affairs
MF
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Waisted time
Dear Riccardo
I been reading this thread since the beginning, I really think it's time now to spent your time on looking for a job somewhere else.The time and effort you put into this is noted and appreciated, please stop now, it's gone on way to long.
DL
I been reading this thread since the beginning, I really think it's time now to spent your time on looking for a job somewhere else.The time and effort you put into this is noted and appreciated, please stop now, it's gone on way to long.
DL
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As no one had answered Mr Towers point about UK/EU law and the advert – and I have a sad life – I looked into it a bit more.
I think it’s correct that if the was a UK job the advert would be “borderline”, but belive there are certain circumstances where it would be OK – ie this condition for someone working in a Mosque might be allowable.
In the case of the advert they are asking for FAA Licences – so it isn’t going to be a UK reg Rockwell. But more importantly “talk21.com” is a mail drop site, free set up aka hotmail, so you can call yourself what you like – in other words it’s not a real company (the advertiser I mean).
We could be nice and say it might be a startup recruitment agency who have been asked to find a pilot for a rich middle east guy who owns a N reg Commander.
Or considering it’s easy to set up a company domain and UK Ltd Co (100UKP max) we might wonder if it’s a serious advert.
Mystic – I take it the “stand up guy” is also a bit wet ?
For everyone else – look at what’s “on the threshold” of 03R
I think it’s correct that if the was a UK job the advert would be “borderline”, but belive there are certain circumstances where it would be OK – ie this condition for someone working in a Mosque might be allowable.
In the case of the advert they are asking for FAA Licences – so it isn’t going to be a UK reg Rockwell. But more importantly “talk21.com” is a mail drop site, free set up aka hotmail, so you can call yourself what you like – in other words it’s not a real company (the advertiser I mean).
We could be nice and say it might be a startup recruitment agency who have been asked to find a pilot for a rich middle east guy who owns a N reg Commander.
Or considering it’s easy to set up a company domain and UK Ltd Co (100UKP max) we might wonder if it’s a serious advert.
Mystic – I take it the “stand up guy” is also a bit wet ?
For everyone else – look at what’s “on the threshold” of 03R
