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That it is all?
That it is all you guys can say?
by the way did you get the job at E.T.?
Hurry guys, because we are coming in South Africa to get all the jobs away from you.
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Riccardo Volante
the Proud Italian
by the way did you get the job at E.T.?
Hurry guys, because we are coming in South Africa to get all the jobs away from you.
Sincerely
Riccardo Volante
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RICCARDOVOLANTE!
Please feel free to apply my friend, if you get the job...! Fantastic, then you have out done many local folk...! However I feel that you are a "brave" Italian, stick with Europian operators, they do hire 500 hour Total Time pilots!
Be my guest...!
Please feel free to apply my friend, if you get the job...! Fantastic, then you have out done many local folk...! However I feel that you are a "brave" Italian, stick with Europian operators, they do hire 500 hour Total Time pilots!
Be my guest...!
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Have to agree with you Kopeloi, what is the need for the kind of childishness this has reached?
I.R.PIRATE your responses started of so well and matured and then this..
Common!!!
and RICCARDOVOLANTE, if you ask a question or make a statement where you want genuine responses from people, you have to cut out the bull**** and be prepared to accept the fact that people will give you their opinion which is what I.R.PIRATE was doing so well untill the above statement. In this industry, it is trully a matter of who you know, what you know also helps, but knowing the right people will throw you ahead of the game. How do you do that? Network
AP
I.R.PIRATE your responses started of so well and matured and then this..
They said if you had just let your mother type your application letter, you might have stood a chance, however, you felt grown up enough to do it yourself. I admire that, but next time dont shout at all south africans just cause you wanted to type your own letter. Trust me, Mother does it much better....
and RICCARDOVOLANTE, if you ask a question or make a statement where you want genuine responses from people, you have to cut out the bull**** and be prepared to accept the fact that people will give you their opinion which is what I.R.PIRATE was doing so well untill the above statement. In this industry, it is trully a matter of who you know, what you know also helps, but knowing the right people will throw you ahead of the game. How do you do that? Network
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Some you guys are right.
Why did I put my topic in this forum? Simple.
No company can put their own 'looking for pilots"ads for free in this forum ,that is an Africa forum and not only for South African , and than saying that they are looking only for South African pilots only.I contact them for several weeks before this ads spending a lot of money in phone calls and fax.Why they di not tell me before?
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RICCARDO vOLANTE
Why did I put my topic in this forum? Simple.
No company can put their own 'looking for pilots"ads for free in this forum ,that is an Africa forum and not only for South African , and than saying that they are looking only for South African pilots only.I contact them for several weeks before this ads spending a lot of money in phone calls and fax.Why they di not tell me before?
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the truth
Man this got Catty quickly. Lets all just chill out. Because you know that if you bumped into ricko at the airport you would treat him with respect and I am sure he would do the same for you.
Anyway a few points.
If you have a SA licence you are laughing. So many jobs all over Africa. Ok so if you want to stay in the home town you will have cut your options down. Just like so many pilots in Australia that cry about not getting jobs. They want to get a CPL at their local airport and then step straight into a 402. Not going to happen. Go out bush you WILL get something if you want it bad enough.
Ricko is a nice guy, I have met him.
Ricko, you have made mistakes buddy. You had a job in Arusha, not the best or highest paying but the job was yours and not bad by any stretch of the imagination buddy. You should have taken it while you waited for something else. As far as I can see no one in Tanzania was able to offer you enough money. I am not having a crack at you, just advising. When I was out of a flying job in Oz I didnt wait to starve to death. I got a job in a cardboard factory ammongst others.
ANyway mate I know it is harder for you at your age and with a family to consider, in particullar if you have to take them with you as I belive you do. Hope you get a job soon and wish the best of luck buddy.
Later
Anyway a few points.
If you have a SA licence you are laughing. So many jobs all over Africa. Ok so if you want to stay in the home town you will have cut your options down. Just like so many pilots in Australia that cry about not getting jobs. They want to get a CPL at their local airport and then step straight into a 402. Not going to happen. Go out bush you WILL get something if you want it bad enough.
Ricko is a nice guy, I have met him.
Ricko, you have made mistakes buddy. You had a job in Arusha, not the best or highest paying but the job was yours and not bad by any stretch of the imagination buddy. You should have taken it while you waited for something else. As far as I can see no one in Tanzania was able to offer you enough money. I am not having a crack at you, just advising. When I was out of a flying job in Oz I didnt wait to starve to death. I got a job in a cardboard factory ammongst others.
ANyway mate I know it is harder for you at your age and with a family to consider, in particullar if you have to take them with you as I belive you do. Hope you get a job soon and wish the best of luck buddy.
Later
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Hello my friend,
nice to ear from you again.Where have you been?Hope you are douing all right.
Thanks for your support.In any case It was not only for money that I did not take te job in Arusha and you knows more I do the situation in Tanzania.My only mistake was not going to Nairobi were I had for sure ready the job with BE1900.I learned the lesson..
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nice to ear from you again.Where have you been?Hope you are douing all right.
Thanks for your support.In any case It was not only for money that I did not take te job in Arusha and you knows more I do the situation in Tanzania.My only mistake was not going to Nairobi were I had for sure ready the job with BE1900.I learned the lesson..
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There's jobs in Asia for those with hours and an ATP. China airlines etc..
I have no problem with a country protecting jobs for it's own citizens. I'm a Brit myself with an SA license.
There are issues though. SA citizens can get working holiday visas for the UK but don't give them to us for example. I don't mind this and I like to SA citizens in the UK, just be aware of it please.
I also know one SA operator that got SA guys work permits to fly SA registered machines in Europe but refused EU citizens with SA licenses jobs. Now that I do mind.
I have no problem with a country protecting jobs for it's own citizens. I'm a Brit myself with an SA license.
There are issues though. SA citizens can get working holiday visas for the UK but don't give them to us for example. I don't mind this and I like to SA citizens in the UK, just be aware of it please.
I also know one SA operator that got SA guys work permits to fly SA registered machines in Europe but refused EU citizens with SA licenses jobs. Now that I do mind.
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Hey Ricko,
Yep mate doing alright over here, getting some 406 time for now. Your SA licence is gold for getting jobs in AFrica, but not many places where you might want to take your family. Some operators have planes in ok places. Federal Air I think its called, give them a crack.
ANyway buddy thats the best advice I can give as an Ozzie flying a ZS rego.
Take it easy bud.
Yep mate doing alright over here, getting some 406 time for now. Your SA licence is gold for getting jobs in AFrica, but not many places where you might want to take your family. Some operators have planes in ok places. Federal Air I think its called, give them a crack.
ANyway buddy thats the best advice I can give as an Ozzie flying a ZS rego.
Take it easy bud.
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Guys,
Im quite disturbed that pilots would resort to rash and trash comments at each other.
We are not a special breed,but i would expect us all to conduct ourselves in a more matured manner.
Its disheartening to read comments on other peoples mothers and typing abilities! Come-on guys! I think we should all grow up and try to use these forums to help one another.
Ricardo, i think you should take it easy mate,its all gonna smoothen out for you at some point.
I.R. and Woof, please gve the guy a chance to express himself,whichever way he can,obviously,english is not his first language. So, i suggest you guys give the young man a break.
Im quite disturbed that pilots would resort to rash and trash comments at each other.
We are not a special breed,but i would expect us all to conduct ourselves in a more matured manner.
Its disheartening to read comments on other peoples mothers and typing abilities! Come-on guys! I think we should all grow up and try to use these forums to help one another.
Ricardo, i think you should take it easy mate,its all gonna smoothen out for you at some point.
I.R. and Woof, please gve the guy a chance to express himself,whichever way he can,obviously,english is not his first language. So, i suggest you guys give the young man a break.
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I dont know why you guys are getting your tits in a tangle.
I gave them a call and was told that I come from the wrong province,let alone the wrong country.
But the again us Capies have to have a passport to cross the mountains.
Ricardo....dont hassel...your ship will come sailing in some day.(ok ok,your aeroplane will land).
Goffel,bored and still by the sea.
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I was looking for job and look what I found :
Rockwell Commander 690 (flexible)
Position:
Pilot
Pay Details:
TBA
Term:
Short Term
Experience Required:
TT 1500 Hours Multi Engine 200 (flexible) Ideally Rockwell Commander 690 experience
Pilot Licence & Docs Required:
FAA CPL/IR Passport FAA Medical
How to Apply:
e-Mail
Contact:
Ian Nunnington, Chief Pilot Gerald Cooper, Project Manager
e-mail: [email protected]
Posting Date:
9/8/2005 6:51:07 AM
Notes:
PILOT MUST BE A MUSLIM
Now what a pilot have to do for a job ?
Be from the right Country
Be from the right Race
Be from the right Religion
Be fluent in the language where you are getting the job
I say again it is better that we pilots stand up at this no sense situation it is going too far
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Riccardo Volante
Rockwell Commander 690 (flexible)
Position:
Pilot
Pay Details:
TBA
Term:
Short Term
Experience Required:
TT 1500 Hours Multi Engine 200 (flexible) Ideally Rockwell Commander 690 experience
Pilot Licence & Docs Required:
FAA CPL/IR Passport FAA Medical
How to Apply:
Contact:
Ian Nunnington, Chief Pilot Gerald Cooper, Project Manager
e-mail: [email protected]
Posting Date:
9/8/2005 6:51:07 AM
Notes:
PILOT MUST BE A MUSLIM
Now what a pilot have to do for a job ?
Be from the right Country
Be from the right Race
Be from the right Religion
Be fluent in the language where you are getting the job
I say again it is better that we pilots stand up at this no sense situation it is going too far
Sincerely
Riccardo Volante
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Dear longtom ,
I would suggest you to get some reading lessons before to say somethink about my finest English.Learn how to deal with that before you post a reply .
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Riccardo Volante ( Riccardo with 2 C ) Read well
I would suggest you to get some reading lessons before to say somethink about my finest English.Learn how to deal with that before you post a reply .
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Riccardo (with 2 charlies),
I can to like to think that you is the bitter man. Why you can to think so in negativity about jobbies in South Africa? You must to make nice efford to like to get the job secured. In the South Africa, you is to can to be able to get a job, but you must to try to stopping complaining. You have to go to the door of company, talking to the people and be the nice man, then you will to try to get position maybe for futuristic purpose. You can to ask for the help here on this forums, many peoples can to give you nicely advise, but not to make you mistake in say that South Africa has the racial problem.
I reading all yous reply Riccardo, but when the pilot can to give you some advising you get very naughty with many replying. My frien, you have to make to try reading slow the post, you can to read many reply is a positive for you. My tong is not english also, and before I read many cycle of this post and I seeing that not all the reply is bad for us foreign pilot.
I trying to understand you to say the "Dog pilot", but I can to try to understand nothing. The pilot making dog fyght or the pilot in the love make scene like dog stile? I can't to understand my frien.
Any way, I hoping for you that you get nice job and thinks working nicely out for you. I now how is difficult to making a pilot in the South Africa, I can to fight hard for it to, but I am the make it later in live, so you can Riccardo!
Hope ok for you now!
I can to like to think that you is the bitter man. Why you can to think so in negativity about jobbies in South Africa? You must to make nice efford to like to get the job secured. In the South Africa, you is to can to be able to get a job, but you must to try to stopping complaining. You have to go to the door of company, talking to the people and be the nice man, then you will to try to get position maybe for futuristic purpose. You can to ask for the help here on this forums, many peoples can to give you nicely advise, but not to make you mistake in say that South Africa has the racial problem.
I reading all yous reply Riccardo, but when the pilot can to give you some advising you get very naughty with many replying. My frien, you have to make to try reading slow the post, you can to read many reply is a positive for you. My tong is not english also, and before I read many cycle of this post and I seeing that not all the reply is bad for us foreign pilot.
I trying to understand you to say the "Dog pilot", but I can to try to understand nothing. The pilot making dog fyght or the pilot in the love make scene like dog stile? I can't to understand my frien.
Any way, I hoping for you that you get nice job and thinks working nicely out for you. I now how is difficult to making a pilot in the South Africa, I can to fight hard for it to, but I am the make it later in live, so you can Riccardo!
Hope ok for you now!
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Dear Cheekyman
I am not a bitter man and I do not have anythink about South Africa ,but I can not tollerate the stupidity of some air company that hire pilots with not any sense.Some operators hire if you are black ,some hire if you are white ,some hire you if you are national of that Country ,some hire if you are muslim ,some hire you if you are cristian, some operators hire yopu if you pay for you own type rating .Now that is not good at all, it is offensive.
About be a Dog means pilots that will stab others pilots in order to get the job and that is absolutely stupid.
About South Africa ,I went there this year because one operator offer me a job.I spent several thousands dollars in order to get in South Africa ,money that i took off from my family ,I have a wife an a kid.Then when I was there they send me back home because a pilot ex Rossair was cheaper to hire.Well nothing wrong with that ,but why promise a job ,make spending a lot of money and than sorry good bye?It is not right that.I went in another company in South Africa they also promise a job but until now nothing.Others hire only South Africans because they are cheaper than others to hire and than they make them work outside South Africa .Sorry but if you get a contract for out sideSouth Africa you shouild hire any one that have rthe right qualifications and not only South African citizen .Different story if you want to get a job and work in South Africa at thet point yes I can understand on giving the pryority at South African citizen.
Those wrong abuse from some air operatsor and from some pilots come from the fact that pilots are not togheter .
We need to stand up at all of this because we went too far now.
Sincerely
Riccardo Volante
I am not a bitter man and I do not have anythink about South Africa ,but I can not tollerate the stupidity of some air company that hire pilots with not any sense.Some operators hire if you are black ,some hire if you are white ,some hire you if you are national of that Country ,some hire if you are muslim ,some hire you if you are cristian, some operators hire yopu if you pay for you own type rating .Now that is not good at all, it is offensive.
About be a Dog means pilots that will stab others pilots in order to get the job and that is absolutely stupid.
About South Africa ,I went there this year because one operator offer me a job.I spent several thousands dollars in order to get in South Africa ,money that i took off from my family ,I have a wife an a kid.Then when I was there they send me back home because a pilot ex Rossair was cheaper to hire.Well nothing wrong with that ,but why promise a job ,make spending a lot of money and than sorry good bye?It is not right that.I went in another company in South Africa they also promise a job but until now nothing.Others hire only South Africans because they are cheaper than others to hire and than they make them work outside South Africa .Sorry but if you get a contract for out sideSouth Africa you shouild hire any one that have rthe right qualifications and not only South African citizen .Different story if you want to get a job and work in South Africa at thet point yes I can understand on giving the pryority at South African citizen.
Those wrong abuse from some air operatsor and from some pilots come from the fact that pilots are not togheter .
We need to stand up at all of this because we went too far now.
Sincerely
Riccardo Volante
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Romans, friends, countymen, lend me your ears...
Dear Riccardo,
I read your post and all the replies with great empathy.( My learned friends CC and IRP can summon up their dictionaries for an explanation of that one!)
Its with regret that I hear that you have not found the job you want for the salary you wanted.
I have never managed to do that. Not even when I was the best pizza chef South of the Med.
I have couple of reminder that might help.
1.Get a foot in the door!
2. Pucker up
3. If you dont get in try again, and again, and again,and again.
4.Pucker up
5. Swallow your pride, your kid needs to eat.
6.Pucker up.
7. Take any Job. Its easier to negotiate a resignation than an appointment.
8.Pucker up
9.Dont post on this forum, and spit your bile about SA companies here. They read this forum, and they Remember. Especially if you use in your real name.
10.Pucker up
11. It has been said that the three most important things in Real estate is "location location location". In aviation it is "who knows you"
12.Pucker up.
13. Jump on every opportunity, like you used to on a piece of tail before you were married(I presume)
14. May you have been blessed with good luck.
I heard a story recently that a company that will remain nameless, answered a query by a pilot, of why they didnt appoint him, they replied unlike SAA, that they only appoint SA Citizens. He replied " But I am a SA Citizen!. They replied " So do you think that makes a difference?"
CC,
Your pounce on this poor guy reminded me of the Animal Planet episode I saw where the cheeta mother caught but not killed a young thompsons gazelle and carried it home for her cubs to play with. I didnt matter howmuch the little buck managed to get away from the cubs, mom would go and fetch him again, for more. Until he just laid down and died with out a scratch on him.
Yeah I know Africa is a tough country, boet.
Pucker up!
I read your post and all the replies with great empathy.( My learned friends CC and IRP can summon up their dictionaries for an explanation of that one!)
Its with regret that I hear that you have not found the job you want for the salary you wanted.
I have never managed to do that. Not even when I was the best pizza chef South of the Med.
I have couple of reminder that might help.
1.Get a foot in the door!
2. Pucker up
3. If you dont get in try again, and again, and again,and again.
4.Pucker up
5. Swallow your pride, your kid needs to eat.
6.Pucker up.
7. Take any Job. Its easier to negotiate a resignation than an appointment.
8.Pucker up
9.Dont post on this forum, and spit your bile about SA companies here. They read this forum, and they Remember. Especially if you use in your real name.
10.Pucker up
11. It has been said that the three most important things in Real estate is "location location location". In aviation it is "who knows you"
12.Pucker up.
13. Jump on every opportunity, like you used to on a piece of tail before you were married(I presume)
14. May you have been blessed with good luck.
I heard a story recently that a company that will remain nameless, answered a query by a pilot, of why they didnt appoint him, they replied unlike SAA, that they only appoint SA Citizens. He replied " But I am a SA Citizen!. They replied " So do you think that makes a difference?"
CC,
Your pounce on this poor guy reminded me of the Animal Planet episode I saw where the cheeta mother caught but not killed a young thompsons gazelle and carried it home for her cubs to play with. I didnt matter howmuch the little buck managed to get away from the cubs, mom would go and fetch him again, for more. Until he just laid down and died with out a scratch on him.
Yeah I know Africa is a tough country, boet.
Pucker up!