Crisis looming at SACAA
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Heard the SACAA had an unexpected visit from the FAA the other day and got a very rude message.
We conducting an audit of you guys in 90 days since it seems you are not able to do your oversight up to scratch.
Implication: If the SACAA does not make the grade .. there goes South Africa's category 1 status and Khaya can kiss his USA ops goodbye.
Like to see them run for cover once this assessment comes through.
Word is they are now scurrying for "experienced inspectors", never mind the colour. Hold out for better pay guys
Watch this space
We conducting an audit of you guys in 90 days since it seems you are not able to do your oversight up to scratch.
Implication: If the SACAA does not make the grade .. there goes South Africa's category 1 status and Khaya can kiss his USA ops goodbye.
Like to see them run for cover once this assessment comes through.
Word is they are now scurrying for "experienced inspectors", never mind the colour. Hold out for better pay guys
Watch this space
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This is off the topic of maintenance, but the training organisation that i work for had an inspection last month by CAA. The previously disadvantaged inspector indeed did not even have a licence. 
He then denounced the way the instructors write comments in the students training files.
Couldn't the CAA at least send someone with an instructors rating to inspect a training organisation???
Things definately need to change in the CAA.
He then denounced the way the instructors write comments in the students training files. Couldn't the CAA at least send someone with an instructors rating to inspect a training organisation???
Things definately need to change in the CAA.
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Crisis at SA CAA
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There is no crisis at the SA CAA the new boys have it all in hand belive me you have no Idea of what is actually going on there "niether do they"
The ICOA recomendation Chapter 9 The Operations Inspection Organization.
The Inspector of Flying to State Section 9.4.3 While not aboslute the expierience are provide as a broad guide line.
A broad AIR TRANSPORT BACKGROUND of FIVE YEARS OR MORE.
Experience with the PROBLEMS of operating or maintaining transport aircraft .
Met and climatictogical KNOWLEDGE and EXPERIENCE.
experience in TECHNICAL TRAINING including Visual AIDS, Training Devices and aircraft Sims.
REPUTATION for possessing qualities of (wait for it) INITIATIVE,TACT,TOLERANCE and PATIENCE.
9.4.4 Flight inspector should have extensive operational experience not less than 5,000 hours as PIC of airtransport type civil or military aircraft. and should have held an appointment in operational management, as an airline pilot or training instructor.
Our SA CAA has Inspectors with 200 hours and Comm and (wait for it) single engne rating WOw!!!!
We now have these 200 hour Flight Ops Inspectors sent to conduct Part 121 Inspections for Operating Certificate Inspections.
Below is a case taken from the records at the SA CAA
A SA Designated Examiner asked by the SA CAA to do an evaluation of thier Citation SII Calibration Pilots all of which are appointed Flight Ops Inspectors.
Well when this Examiner asked the Pilots to sit a Technical Exam on the the aircraftb that they where all rated on and actively flying the result of this was one pilot refused to sit the Exam, Two actually managed to get below 50%. the other an ex airline pilot his marks where in the high 90's
One of these Pilots who had come from the South African Airforce with a 1,000 hours, logged mind, you 650 of theses where as a Co-Pilot on Carvans well he could not even do timed rate one turns, and when asked to carry out a timed decending turn stated to the examiner "I have never done this before".
Then he could could not work out the sector entry to join the pattern.
Then when on the ILS the manged to get the aircraft one dot low, one dot right, and speed at 250kts Clean in a Citation SII and when asked at 200 feet if he could land of this pproach immediately reached for the gear , when told to go around asked the examiner WHY?.
The examiner then failed an engine on the go around. wow what happened next you ask
well our SA CAA appointed Flight Ops Inspector then managed to get the aircraft 30 degrees off HDG and let the speed decay to stick shaker "note from 250 Kts that must have taken a lot of Skill" and the reaction from our from the Flight Ops Inspector Pilot "what is happening".
Remember he had being flying the SA CAA Citation SII carring out the FLIGHT CALIBRATION for the SA CAA.
I belive the examiner recommeded that his IF Rating be with drawn.
All of a sudden the Examiner was no longer required by the SA CAA I wonder why.
The Question is: HOW DID THIS PILOT EVER PASS A TWIN RATING AND BE ISSUED WITH A COM and IF RATING WHEN THE FLIGHT SCHOOL REFUSED TO GIVE HIM A RECOMENDATION.???
This is the sort of information that should get to ICAO and the FAA .
the SA CAA at present an ACCIDENT LOOKING FOR A PLACE TO HAPPEN.
There is a Massive Crisis at the SA CAA and it must be exposed if we value our licences.
There is a lot more if you out there are interested and will pass this info on to others and other operators.
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There is no crisis at the SA CAA the new boys have it all in hand belive me you have no Idea of what is actually going on there "niether do they"
The ICOA recomendation Chapter 9 The Operations Inspection Organization.
The Inspector of Flying to State Section 9.4.3 While not aboslute the expierience are provide as a broad guide line.
A broad AIR TRANSPORT BACKGROUND of FIVE YEARS OR MORE.
Experience with the PROBLEMS of operating or maintaining transport aircraft .
Met and climatictogical KNOWLEDGE and EXPERIENCE.
experience in TECHNICAL TRAINING including Visual AIDS, Training Devices and aircraft Sims.
REPUTATION for possessing qualities of (wait for it) INITIATIVE,TACT,TOLERANCE and PATIENCE.
9.4.4 Flight inspector should have extensive operational experience not less than 5,000 hours as PIC of airtransport type civil or military aircraft. and should have held an appointment in operational management, as an airline pilot or training instructor.
Our SA CAA has Inspectors with 200 hours and Comm and (wait for it) single engne rating WOw!!!!
We now have these 200 hour Flight Ops Inspectors sent to conduct Part 121 Inspections for Operating Certificate Inspections.
Below is a case taken from the records at the SA CAA
A SA Designated Examiner asked by the SA CAA to do an evaluation of thier Citation SII Calibration Pilots all of which are appointed Flight Ops Inspectors.
Well when this Examiner asked the Pilots to sit a Technical Exam on the the aircraftb that they where all rated on and actively flying the result of this was one pilot refused to sit the Exam, Two actually managed to get below 50%. the other an ex airline pilot his marks where in the high 90's
One of these Pilots who had come from the South African Airforce with a 1,000 hours, logged mind, you 650 of theses where as a Co-Pilot on Carvans well he could not even do timed rate one turns, and when asked to carry out a timed decending turn stated to the examiner "I have never done this before".
Then he could could not work out the sector entry to join the pattern.
Then when on the ILS the manged to get the aircraft one dot low, one dot right, and speed at 250kts Clean in a Citation SII and when asked at 200 feet if he could land of this pproach immediately reached for the gear , when told to go around asked the examiner WHY?.
The examiner then failed an engine on the go around. wow what happened next you ask
well our SA CAA appointed Flight Ops Inspector then managed to get the aircraft 30 degrees off HDG and let the speed decay to stick shaker "note from 250 Kts that must have taken a lot of Skill" and the reaction from our from the Flight Ops Inspector Pilot "what is happening".
Remember he had being flying the SA CAA Citation SII carring out the FLIGHT CALIBRATION for the SA CAA.
I belive the examiner recommeded that his IF Rating be with drawn.
All of a sudden the Examiner was no longer required by the SA CAA I wonder why.
The Question is: HOW DID THIS PILOT EVER PASS A TWIN RATING AND BE ISSUED WITH A COM and IF RATING WHEN THE FLIGHT SCHOOL REFUSED TO GIVE HIM A RECOMENDATION.???
This is the sort of information that should get to ICAO and the FAA .
the SA CAA at present an ACCIDENT LOOKING FOR A PLACE TO HAPPEN.
There is a Massive Crisis at the SA CAA and it must be exposed if we value our licences.
There is a lot more if you out there are interested and will pass this info on to others and other operators.
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Thats a big WOW from Missouri.........IF other countries come to SA and verify inside scoop like this you can almost guarantee that SA Aircraft will not be permitted in their airspace.....
It would seem from the Missouri post that "empowerment" may be OK where all that goes missing is money, but at the CAA its going to close the door on SA Aviation in the real world.
I think I mentioned some time ago regarding the cape huey mess, that if they were allowed to continue then documents and aircraft from SA would be suspect in other countries. It appears they are still there and with the Missouri post (be it factual) just adds to my reasoning......
Certainly a good guess that Missouri used to have a desk at CAA...
It would seem from the Missouri post that "empowerment" may be OK where all that goes missing is money, but at the CAA its going to close the door on SA Aviation in the real world.
I think I mentioned some time ago regarding the cape huey mess, that if they were allowed to continue then documents and aircraft from SA would be suspect in other countries. It appears they are still there and with the Missouri post (be it factual) just adds to my reasoning......
Certainly a good guess that Missouri used to have a desk at CAA...
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It makes sense now that the countries airline has its own FAA audit. This should allow the continued operation into the USA even if the CAA audit is a problem. Potentially a very good business decision by the airline.
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if you have any hard evidence and want to blow this thing wide open , why dont you contact Carte Blanche and maybe they can go and snoop around at the SACAA , bearing in mind that they must keep your identity secrete.
if you have any hard evidence and want to blow this thing wide open , why dont you contact Carte Blanche and maybe they can go and snoop around at the SACAA , bearing in mind that they must keep your identity secrete.
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"It makes sense now that the countries airline has its own FAA audit. This should allow the continued operation into the USA even if the CAA audit is a problem. Potentially a very good business decision by the airline."
Lifes Short
I think the punch line is that Governments audit Governments such as FAA auditing CAA. If an Airline has better standards so be it, but if the regulating agency, in this case SACAA is below standards, everything in that countries Aviation becomes suspect.
Thats to say any documentation that must be certified by ,again in this case SACAA wont pass muster. YOUR licenses, Aircraft Registration, ad infinito........
So trust me if the SACAA gets a big "you stink" SAA will drop their folks off in Mexico and bus them to the states...(in my case)
Based on everything thats been posted on various sites regarding da new SACAA, anything is possible.
Lifes Short
I think the punch line is that Governments audit Governments such as FAA auditing CAA. If an Airline has better standards so be it, but if the regulating agency, in this case SACAA is below standards, everything in that countries Aviation becomes suspect.
Thats to say any documentation that must be certified by ,again in this case SACAA wont pass muster. YOUR licenses, Aircraft Registration, ad infinito........
So trust me if the SACAA gets a big "you stink" SAA will drop their folks off in Mexico and bus them to the states...(in my case)
Based on everything thats been posted on various sites regarding da new SACAA, anything is possible.
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Crisis at SA CAA
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The actual hard evidence is to hand, and available can you guarantee that "it would not loose "its " licence .
What do you think would happen to to the informant who released this infomation if "its" identity got to the CAA I would say no more licence as " it "would be grounded as test after test would be insisted on by our Illustriously unbiased New Boys.
Here is another case again the operators have the hard data
One of the Real Flight Ops Inspectors who was to travel to the US of A to do a Simulator recertification for an Large SA operator in Miami resigne.
He was then refused permission to go to the US to carry out the Sim recertification at the same time another SA Operator required validation of another sim at the same facility.
What happened both operators where in formed that a Certain SA CAA Flight Operations Inspector would be sent to Miami to certify the sims for them.
As this Flight ops Inpector had no US Visa he travelled to Cape town to get the Visa and not to Killarney Johannesburg maybe he though the only Kilarner was in Capetown you never know any way the two operators where in formed taht this little caoper was for their account.
The two operators where then presented with Combined Invoices of R29,000 odd for the proposed trip to Miami for this particular Flight Ops Inspector.
I believe both operators then enquired whether this Flight ops inspector was adequattely Qualified to do the Sim Certification as well to Check the Standard of training for Capt's and FEO's.
This particular Flight Ops Inspector has only a Comm and IF rating and Just over 200 hours. The Flight ops Instpector did not Travel to the USA.
Well you guessed it both Operators have been subjected to massive Inspections one to there maintenance organisation I have been told that this went one for over a week, the other had an incredible operating certificate Inspection, with Flight Ops Inspectors who had only Comm's and the minimum hours to Qualify for those as well.
These are facts and can be verfired by Just Asking the newly appointed ACTING Senior Manager Flight Operations.
Now we know how the SA CAA operates.
How much more can the South African Operators Endure?
The actual hard evidence is to hand, and available can you guarantee that "it would not loose "its " licence .
What do you think would happen to to the informant who released this infomation if "its" identity got to the CAA I would say no more licence as " it "would be grounded as test after test would be insisted on by our Illustriously unbiased New Boys.
Here is another case again the operators have the hard data
One of the Real Flight Ops Inspectors who was to travel to the US of A to do a Simulator recertification for an Large SA operator in Miami resigne.
He was then refused permission to go to the US to carry out the Sim recertification at the same time another SA Operator required validation of another sim at the same facility.
What happened both operators where in formed that a Certain SA CAA Flight Operations Inspector would be sent to Miami to certify the sims for them.
As this Flight ops Inpector had no US Visa he travelled to Cape town to get the Visa and not to Killarney Johannesburg maybe he though the only Kilarner was in Capetown you never know any way the two operators where in formed taht this little caoper was for their account.
The two operators where then presented with Combined Invoices of R29,000 odd for the proposed trip to Miami for this particular Flight Ops Inspector.
I believe both operators then enquired whether this Flight ops inspector was adequattely Qualified to do the Sim Certification as well to Check the Standard of training for Capt's and FEO's.
This particular Flight Ops Inspector has only a Comm and IF rating and Just over 200 hours. The Flight ops Instpector did not Travel to the USA.
Well you guessed it both Operators have been subjected to massive Inspections one to there maintenance organisation I have been told that this went one for over a week, the other had an incredible operating certificate Inspection, with Flight Ops Inspectors who had only Comm's and the minimum hours to Qualify for those as well.
These are facts and can be verfired by Just Asking the newly appointed ACTING Senior Manager Flight Operations.
Now we know how the SA CAA operates.
How much more can the South African Operators Endure?
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Hi everyone,
more news from the SA CAA.
The Flight Ops Inspector that was identified by the DE asked to carry out the evluation, was sent to some flight training organization in PE to do remedial training to get him up to speed and to renew his IF Rating.
Well it seems that another 29 Hours your SA TAX money and FEES was spent on his, Simulator and Actual flight training.
When aked if the Flight training organazation had given him a recommendation for an IF Test the answer was "well he was SAFE".
SAFE what does that Mean??
he should be Excellent or HOW CAN HE BE A FLIGHT OPS INSPECTOR?????
Sure beats me.
And now the obvious Who did his re test ?
Need we ask!
It was of course carried out by a CAA Flight Ops Inspector who is mainly normaly involved with Helicopters and the same Flight Ops Inspector who orginally tested him for his Intial COMM and IF.
Is this a co-incidence ce????
Interesting is it not ,
Stange happen at the SA CAA
more news from the SA CAA.
The Flight Ops Inspector that was identified by the DE asked to carry out the evluation, was sent to some flight training organization in PE to do remedial training to get him up to speed and to renew his IF Rating.
Well it seems that another 29 Hours your SA TAX money and FEES was spent on his, Simulator and Actual flight training.
When aked if the Flight training organazation had given him a recommendation for an IF Test the answer was "well he was SAFE".
SAFE what does that Mean??
he should be Excellent or HOW CAN HE BE A FLIGHT OPS INSPECTOR?????
Sure beats me.
And now the obvious Who did his re test ?
Need we ask!
It was of course carried out by a CAA Flight Ops Inspector who is mainly normaly involved with Helicopters and the same Flight Ops Inspector who orginally tested him for his Intial COMM and IF.
Is this a co-incidence ce????
Interesting is it not ,
Stange happen at the SA CAA
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As I mentioned in a previous post, I thought maybe Missouri was employed or had been at SACAA.Sounds more as though he IS employed and is on the way out to make room for more Lawn mower repairmen.
Either way Mr Prez will soon find Foreign Workers to replace all based on a posting in the paper the other day.
I would like to jump in on an item that is based on his comment "It was of course carried out by a CAA Flight Ops Inspector who is mainly normaly involved with Helicopters and the same Flight Ops Inspector who orginally tested him for his Intial COMM and IF.
Is this a co-incidence ce????"
I happen to know that person and think that may be a bit unfair. I know that he primarily does the helicopter side but for others out there consider he has a few thousand fixed wing hours which is more than some of the Airline types currently flying in SA. Also that SACAA is not a large operation.
Do you have someone or a group of folks who may do better??
Its getting to the , If you have a problem, be part of the solution or you become another part of the problem.
Just a joke to leave this post with, hope it does not hit home to badly. Its something we were taught in our Army.
three things a pilot does not need.
1. Runway behind him
2. Sky above him
3. A Navigator
Either way Mr Prez will soon find Foreign Workers to replace all based on a posting in the paper the other day.
I would like to jump in on an item that is based on his comment "It was of course carried out by a CAA Flight Ops Inspector who is mainly normaly involved with Helicopters and the same Flight Ops Inspector who orginally tested him for his Intial COMM and IF.
Is this a co-incidence ce????"
I happen to know that person and think that may be a bit unfair. I know that he primarily does the helicopter side but for others out there consider he has a few thousand fixed wing hours which is more than some of the Airline types currently flying in SA. Also that SACAA is not a large operation.
Do you have someone or a group of folks who may do better??
Its getting to the , If you have a problem, be part of the solution or you become another part of the problem.
Just a joke to leave this post with, hope it does not hit home to badly. Its something we were taught in our Army.
three things a pilot does not need.
1. Runway behind him
2. Sky above him
3. A Navigator
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To B SOUSA and all out there.
The buzz is that (in his defence ) it was possibly forced on this this Helo Guy to carry out the test.
Image what would have happened to him if he did not do the Test.
The big question Would the SA CAA have allowed in another outside DE say From SAA or BA/Comair that have the same very HIGH STANDARDS as the DE that failed him.
Me thinks not, as the result would have been inevitable, so I suppose the test had to be done in house.
Now here is another SA CAA Inspector that joined SAA couldn't make the grade after many hours of retraining then was asked to leave appealed was reinstated at the CCMA's insistance proceedural I think well what has happened after many more hours training he was failed again BUT THIS TIME by an AIR BUS INTRUCTOR how amazing!
What is now happening well his Lawyers have called for the tapes from the sim what next.
The gist of this is that this (sic "Very able ") pilot is rumoured to be re joining the SA CAA as a Flight Ops Inspector.
G*D HELP US if this happens.
Where all all the other pilots out there who can contribute to this forum if you dont Nothing will Change at the SA CAA.
Come on all you pilots and operators dont just be complacent like we have been for the past years typical South Africans who bemoan your fate but dont contribute.
The buzz is that (in his defence ) it was possibly forced on this this Helo Guy to carry out the test.
Image what would have happened to him if he did not do the Test.
The big question Would the SA CAA have allowed in another outside DE say From SAA or BA/Comair that have the same very HIGH STANDARDS as the DE that failed him.
Me thinks not, as the result would have been inevitable, so I suppose the test had to be done in house.
Now here is another SA CAA Inspector that joined SAA couldn't make the grade after many hours of retraining then was asked to leave appealed was reinstated at the CCMA's insistance proceedural I think well what has happened after many more hours training he was failed again BUT THIS TIME by an AIR BUS INTRUCTOR how amazing!
What is now happening well his Lawyers have called for the tapes from the sim what next.
The gist of this is that this (sic "Very able ") pilot is rumoured to be re joining the SA CAA as a Flight Ops Inspector.
G*D HELP US if this happens.
Where all all the other pilots out there who can contribute to this forum if you dont Nothing will Change at the SA CAA.
Come on all you pilots and operators dont just be complacent like we have been for the past years typical South Africans who bemoan your fate but dont contribute.
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Heard very recently that the FAA did pay a visit to the SACAA. They simply pointed out areas wher in their minds the CAA fall short and that they have recently down graded both the Ghana and Greek Caa's to level 2 or B or something. In essence, this means no US schedules to those countries and none of those country's aircraft to the USA. They also mentioned that they would be back shortly!
I understand that there is an extremely urgent move afoot to staff the CAA with capable individuals. That is ones with experience and pale males have an excellent chance of being employed.
The threat being that should nothing be done and the FAA are ignored, the only outfit shuttling spectators to the 2010 world cup in SA will be Starlight Cruises and the like!
I understand that there is an extremely urgent move afoot to staff the CAA with capable individuals. That is ones with experience and pale males have an excellent chance of being employed.
The threat being that should nothing be done and the FAA are ignored, the only outfit shuttling spectators to the 2010 world cup in SA will be Starlight Cruises and the like!
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What would you expect when the current Acting-CEO (and not a very good actor at that) is rummoured to have lifted a CAA Aviation Security Policy document and submitted it as part of his MBA requirements.
By the way, he did not write the policy document. A well-paid consultant was found to do that.
Plagurism by any standard! And nogal a security policy document.
And apparently, this is not the only company document he has submitted as part of his MBA, which brings me to another point given that he only recently completed his requirements for matric?
By the way, he did not write the policy document. A well-paid consultant was found to do that.
Plagurism by any standard! And nogal a security policy document.
And apparently, this is not the only company document he has submitted as part of his MBA, which brings me to another point given that he only recently completed his requirements for matric?
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Crisis at SACAA?? What Crisis.
Its obvious that there is nobody left in SA with the qualifications to Run the place.
Let me see if I understand.
The Acting-CEO is from Lesotho......
The Manager of Operations, Licensing etc. is from Botswana.
And the Manager of Airworthiness is from Zimbabwe.
Im betting theres a ton of Avaition Experience in that crowd........
Its obvious that there is nobody left in SA with the qualifications to Run the place.
Let me see if I understand.
The Acting-CEO is from Lesotho......
The Manager of Operations, Licensing etc. is from Botswana.
And the Manager of Airworthiness is from Zimbabwe.
Im betting theres a ton of Avaition Experience in that crowd........
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Pride and Prejudice
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As you can see from my posts, I do not hold much for the direction the CAA is going but ...
Don't let your prejudice get in the way of slagging well qualified staff who incidently don't have much say over what is going on in the CAA.
The Head of Ops (from Botswana) is an ATPL 4-engined jet Captain - certainly qualified by my books
The Head of Airworthiness (from Zimbabwe) is a qualified and experienced AME and holds a MA in Aeronautical Science from France - more qualifications than the DCA ever had.
The Commissioner from Lesotho- not Acting CEO - (See my previous post on that clown) holds a CPL and Air Traffic qualifications from Embry Riddle - your part of town and has extensive experience in aviation regulation.
The question is whether these folk can ever be effective in the environment that exists in the CAA at present is highly questionable. There are ample cases where there decisions are over turned by some clown above!
As you can see from my posts, I do not hold much for the direction the CAA is going but ...
Don't let your prejudice get in the way of slagging well qualified staff who incidently don't have much say over what is going on in the CAA.
The Head of Ops (from Botswana) is an ATPL 4-engined jet Captain - certainly qualified by my books
The Head of Airworthiness (from Zimbabwe) is a qualified and experienced AME and holds a MA in Aeronautical Science from France - more qualifications than the DCA ever had.
The Commissioner from Lesotho- not Acting CEO - (See my previous post on that clown) holds a CPL and Air Traffic qualifications from Embry Riddle - your part of town and has extensive experience in aviation regulation.
The question is whether these folk can ever be effective in the environment that exists in the CAA at present is highly questionable. There are ample cases where there decisions are over turned by some clown above!
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Dont know who Ben is, but.....
"Don't let your prejudice" If thats for me, you jumped the gun. Let a paleface from some other country try and fill those positions, let alone get a job in SA. And Prejudice is where??
Come on, your telling me SACAA cannot cut the muster and find a South African citizen to do the job......
I give two hoots what the persons race is, Im just saying it seems somewhat funny that someone will go to the ends of the earth to fill the positions when there is little doubt some folks here have more than ample qualifications.
And you know what they call a Boomarang that wont come back?? Just another Fxxxing stick.......
"Don't let your prejudice" If thats for me, you jumped the gun. Let a paleface from some other country try and fill those positions, let alone get a job in SA. And Prejudice is where??
Come on, your telling me SACAA cannot cut the muster and find a South African citizen to do the job......
I give two hoots what the persons race is, Im just saying it seems somewhat funny that someone will go to the ends of the earth to fill the positions when there is little doubt some folks here have more than ample qualifications.
And you know what they call a Boomarang that wont come back?? Just another Fxxxing stick.......
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i heard a story the other day wich was really scary....
My buddie told me that our new 4 crash investigators went to de place of da crash in secunda but dey culd not tell but y the plane did crash becus the cant find the black boxes as of yet ....
But frm what ive heard it was an aerostar wich crashed. Correct me if im wrong but do aerostars even have black boxes, so rember next time you go train make sure your c172 black box is running. (just to help the crash investigators a little)
dnt crash investgator have 2 knw someitng abt aeroplanes to make a proper report of what actuly happend?
My buddie told me that our new 4 crash investigators went to de place of da crash in secunda but dey culd not tell but y the plane did crash becus the cant find the black boxes as of yet ....
But frm what ive heard it was an aerostar wich crashed. Correct me if im wrong but do aerostars even have black boxes, so rember next time you go train make sure your c172 black box is running. (just to help the crash investigators a little)
dnt crash investgator have 2 knw someitng abt aeroplanes to make a proper report of what actuly happend?