Crisis looming at SACAA
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Bert, Ben whats the diff... you yanks are all the same
Hey Bert
My response to your comment about "what load of aviation experience among that lot" seems to have touched a raw nerve.
My point... they ones you cited DO HAVE a lot of aviation experience! Just your prejudice prevents you from acknowledging that.
As for what the management of the the CAA has been getting up to .. I am certainly no apologetic for that crap.
Wev'e got enough problems dealing with the idiots in charge here without you prejudice clouding the water further.
Now fly off to Bagdad and do something useful
Hey Bert
A Fxxxng stick with a sharp point is an assagi
My response to your comment about "what load of aviation experience among that lot" seems to have touched a raw nerve.
My point... they ones you cited DO HAVE a lot of aviation experience! Just your prejudice prevents you from acknowledging that.
As for what the management of the the CAA has been getting up to .. I am certainly no apologetic for that crap.
Wev'e got enough problems dealing with the idiots in charge here without you prejudice clouding the water further.
Now fly off to Bagdad and do something useful
Hey Bert
A Fxxxng stick with a sharp point is an assagi
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"they ones you cited DO HAVE a lot of aviation experience! Just your prejudice prevents you from acknowledging that."
OK, say you as to the Experience. Say others that "It aint that great, minimal at best" in comparison to some available to do the job........Whatever.
You keep harping on prejudice, and I think I already mentioned this particluar lot had to do with not being folks from SA.
Maybe you do not agree and believe that there may not be any qualified folks in SA, or is it they may be qualified but not politically correct in these times.
" whats the diff... you yanks are all the same"
As to Bagdhad, be careful up there, never know when a Scorpion may find you. Sounds as if there may not be any love lost but you dont mind taking the dollar bill, has to say something about your thoughts.
Funny thing is many Pilots from SA are out of the country to work, that must say something for Aviation here.
As are Doctors, Nurses etc.....Must be the Prejudice... Thats another whole thread.
I like the Assagi answer, good one.
OK, say you as to the Experience. Say others that "It aint that great, minimal at best" in comparison to some available to do the job........Whatever.
You keep harping on prejudice, and I think I already mentioned this particluar lot had to do with not being folks from SA.
Maybe you do not agree and believe that there may not be any qualified folks in SA, or is it they may be qualified but not politically correct in these times.
" whats the diff... you yanks are all the same"
As to Bagdhad, be careful up there, never know when a Scorpion may find you. Sounds as if there may not be any love lost but you dont mind taking the dollar bill, has to say something about your thoughts.
Funny thing is many Pilots from SA are out of the country to work, that must say something for Aviation here.
As are Doctors, Nurses etc.....Must be the Prejudice... Thats another whole thread.
I like the Assagi answer, good one.
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Good to see humour prevails
Bert
Seems like you know how to take some with the proverbial pinch of salt, particularly when someone delibertely tries to spice up a thread worn issue.
Never ever claimed there were no experienced personnel locally. Just harped on you slagging off on the other Africans employed. In fact the CAA has lost a whole lot of South Africans who should rightfully have been with it today and there are a lot more out there who should be roped in ( and some who should be kicked to touch).
Not sure what your " Sounds as if there may not be any love lost but you dont mind taking the dollar bill, has to say something about your thoughts." is all about. Maybe the thought of Bagdad got your wires a bit crossed. As for Scorpions, bring them on ... as long as they are still around.
Yes there are "many Pilots from SA ... out of the country to work" which by my book says we produce good aviators who can find work globally and that our aviation industry is too small to absorb them all.
Yeah sticks and stones will hurt your bone but ....
Wideglide - where did you take off from.
What the hell has Mad Bob got to do with this thread.
Go of into your corner and start your own thread with your preoccupations. Must be smoking your socks again
Seems like you know how to take some with the proverbial pinch of salt, particularly when someone delibertely tries to spice up a thread worn issue.
Never ever claimed there were no experienced personnel locally. Just harped on you slagging off on the other Africans employed. In fact the CAA has lost a whole lot of South Africans who should rightfully have been with it today and there are a lot more out there who should be roped in ( and some who should be kicked to touch).
Not sure what your " Sounds as if there may not be any love lost but you dont mind taking the dollar bill, has to say something about your thoughts." is all about. Maybe the thought of Bagdad got your wires a bit crossed. As for Scorpions, bring them on ... as long as they are still around.
Yes there are "many Pilots from SA ... out of the country to work" which by my book says we produce good aviators who can find work globally and that our aviation industry is too small to absorb them all.
Yeah sticks and stones will hurt your bone but ....
Wideglide - where did you take off from.
What the hell has Mad Bob got to do with this thread.
Go of into your corner and start your own thread with your preoccupations. Must be smoking your socks again
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Come on boys,
let,s stop the verbal abuse.
Why not carry on discussing what we can do in the industry to make a diferrence?
It,s no use sitting back and winging. Those of you that can , attend the AMOSA meetings and vent your feelings, because if you dont nobody will never know.
let,s stop the verbal abuse.
Why not carry on discussing what we can do in the industry to make a diferrence?
It,s no use sitting back and winging. Those of you that can , attend the AMOSA meetings and vent your feelings, because if you dont nobody will never know.
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Thought YOU may have been headed to Baghdaddy, a re-read makes me think Im on the way there.
Mama didnt raise no fool, Uncle Sugar had his chance to get me killed...............no second chances..
Anyway back to jumping up and down about SACAA...........
Mama didnt raise no fool, Uncle Sugar had his chance to get me killed...............no second chances..
Anyway back to jumping up and down about SACAA...........
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Calm down guys! Lets face it we do have a problem and I gather there are some steps being taken to sort out the mess.
Remember the old DCA was not without fault either. Remember the "Helderberg"? I was told on good authority that the accident report was held up as an example how "not to write an accident report" by other authorities during an accident investigation course.
The previous guy in - charge of 121 to the best of my knowledge never held an ALTP either.
I also know the person heading operations, and she is very capable indeed.
What about poor Moer Laat who was also at CAA...... (See another thread)
The problem is political and it is right at the top and I just hope all this can be resolved for the country and for all of us.
As for sticks, a tooth pick can be very usefull!
Remember the old DCA was not without fault either. Remember the "Helderberg"? I was told on good authority that the accident report was held up as an example how "not to write an accident report" by other authorities during an accident investigation course.
The previous guy in - charge of 121 to the best of my knowledge never held an ALTP either.
I also know the person heading operations, and she is very capable indeed.
What about poor Moer Laat who was also at CAA...... (See another thread)
The problem is political and it is right at the top and I just hope all this can be resolved for the country and for all of us.
As for sticks, a tooth pick can be very usefull!
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Hallo chaps (and the odd chapette)
CAA, ATNS, SAA etc etc are all in the same boat ... Maintain political correctness at any and all costs!!!
the standards and the norms. The only qualification and / or requirement for any of these organisations is "does the candidate have a pulse and was he / she previously disadvantaged?"
Ofcourse it is unfair to make such a broad statement as there are a fair amount of competent PDI's. But experience and performance and a good track record should be the source of our powers that be ... not the colour of your face!!!!!
In my humble opinion the aviation industry in SA is going to see its
The saddest thing is that confronting the issues is bound to bring out the "You're just a racist" remarks.
Good luck to you all.
CAA, ATNS, SAA etc etc are all in the same boat ... Maintain political correctness at any and all costs!!!
the standards and the norms. The only qualification and / or requirement for any of these organisations is "does the candidate have a pulse and was he / she previously disadvantaged?"Ofcourse it is unfair to make such a broad statement as there are a fair amount of competent PDI's. But experience and performance and a good track record should be the source of our powers that be ... not the colour of your face!!!!!
In my humble opinion the aviation industry in SA is going to see its
The saddest thing is that confronting the issues is bound to bring out the "You're just a racist" remarks.
Good luck to you all.
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Ok Boomerang - you are right - I should not have wasted my time answering to your dribbel. But while I am here the matter of fact is that we should not have foreigners running a south african department
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'The question is whether these folk can ever be effective in the environment that exists in the CAA at present is highly questionable'
Facts are they should not be there in the first place. Prejudism as you mentioned has nothing to do with it.
- where is you pride man!
Back to my corner from whenced I crawled.
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'The question is whether these folk can ever be effective in the environment that exists in the CAA at present is highly questionable'
Facts are they should not be there in the first place. Prejudism as you mentioned has nothing to do with it.
- where is you pride man!
Back to my corner from whenced I crawled.
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"But while I am here the matter of fact is that we should not have foreigners running a south african department "
To back that up a bit. I think there may be something in your Constitution. You know the one that is in place now, that says something about South Africans first.....But its only a piece of paper.
To back that up a bit. I think there may be something in your Constitution. You know the one that is in place now, that says something about South Africans first.....But its only a piece of paper.
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Remember old Oom Rennie - now I am not saying there was no corruption - more rife than some of us may care probably. But the facts are , he was South African, he held the place together with an iron fist for more than a decade (If my memory is good), and of equal importance he knew his SH!T.
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I know Rennie reads Pprune and I know he is not impressed about the state of affairs.
Even being at ICAO in Montreal there is nothing that he can do about it. Theres more to it than I think we will ever know.
Sad, very sad!!
Even being at ICAO in Montreal there is nothing that he can do about it. Theres more to it than I think we will ever know.
Sad, very sad!!
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The saddest thisng about the Affirmative Action and BEE initiatives is that individuals who have the capability are sidelined and in most cases retrenched. When the innevitable happens and the whole thing turns to a bucket of sh**, then the new SA calls for consultants from overseas at huge expense, whilst the capable SA individual sits at home jobless!
It stinks!!
It stinks!!
and another thing....
While we are beating up on SACAA: I just came across the "Full Report" of the HS748 accident at George - accorded "full report" status we presume because of the celebrity passenger(?) Since they clearly attach much importance to this report, would it not have been possible to proof read it before publishing? The few bits I have been able to download have appalling English grammar - if they cannot string a sentence together, what else can they not do? It creates a very poor impression.