Cape Town Runway closed again - the debacle continues
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The Media
Well hopefully the newspapers get into their act and report on something worthwhile again ...
Forget about the killings in the cape flats - it 's been there for many decades and will not easily go away .. focus on stuff like this and let the wordl know how ACSA are
up !
An accident waiting to happen ... (sadly)
Forget about the killings in the cape flats - it 's been there for many decades and will not easily go away .. focus on stuff like this and let the wordl know how ACSA are
up !An accident waiting to happen ... (sadly)
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Goldfish,
Did ACSA give a snag sheet on the ILS defects or is it not maybe that the intrepid CAA has not calibrated it in the last 6 months?
I understand that the Citation used for calibration is slightly bent and can't do the job.
Did ACSA give a snag sheet on the ILS defects or is it not maybe that the intrepid CAA has not calibrated it in the last 6 months?
I understand that the Citation used for calibration is slightly bent and can't do the job.
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Argus Report
Tail cone debris on runway delays flights
April 17, 2005
By Igsaan Salie
Cape Town International Airport flights were delayed for about 90 minutes on Friday night when a tail cone covering on a 1Time Airlines plane fell off and hit the runway on landing.
The 157-seater MB82 aircraft from Johannesburg landed safely but airport staff had to clear the runway of debris. Rodney James, director of marketing and operations at 1Time, said the fibreglass tailcone covering the back of the aircraft had fallen off as the jet aircraft came in to land.
He said the cone covered the rear emergency exit of the aircraft and was not a structural feature.
"It is an aerodynamic thing and neither the crew nor the passengers were even aware that it had come off," he said.
The cone is fitted with a clamping mechanism which attaches it to the plane and can be manually released to expose the emergency exit door if it is needed.
James said the airline was investigating whether the cone was accidentally released by the crew or had come loose. A new tail cone has since been fitted.
April 17, 2005
By Igsaan Salie
Cape Town International Airport flights were delayed for about 90 minutes on Friday night when a tail cone covering on a 1Time Airlines plane fell off and hit the runway on landing.
The 157-seater MB82 aircraft from Johannesburg landed safely but airport staff had to clear the runway of debris. Rodney James, director of marketing and operations at 1Time, said the fibreglass tailcone covering the back of the aircraft had fallen off as the jet aircraft came in to land.
He said the cone covered the rear emergency exit of the aircraft and was not a structural feature.
"It is an aerodynamic thing and neither the crew nor the passengers were even aware that it had come off," he said.
The cone is fitted with a clamping mechanism which attaches it to the plane and can be manually released to expose the emergency exit door if it is needed.
James said the airline was investigating whether the cone was accidentally released by the crew or had come loose. A new tail cone has since been fitted.
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The MD series of aircraft has a detachable tailcone aft of the cabin rear exit door. This is to be used in the event of an emergency landing where the tail steps cannot be lowered. This isnt the first time that one of these tailcones has fallen off and i guess that it wont be the last!
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How can I get pictures of 1 Time's fallen arse on to the forum?
I got a few "not so good quality" pics from a cell of a friend.
He said that It looked like a emgcy release handle on the l/h side of the tail cone were pulled...as it was hanging out when the a/craft was parked.
Regards,
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I got a few "not so good quality" pics from a cell of a friend.
He said that It looked like a emgcy release handle on the l/h side of the tail cone were pulled...as it was hanging out when the a/craft was parked.
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Hey Guns - nothing wrong with ZSCAR
They were calibrating last week when the ILS went womky and they (CAA) turned it off - safety factors involved.
We have asked ACSA to order the parts since last August and they did not want to spend the money - now they are goint to spend money as some of the parts they ordered are wrong. They still have not managed to find the fault - now they are going further into it and it is going to cost megabcks to fix - then it has to be re-commissioned and that is going to take ages.
So when winter comes to Cape Town brings lots of fuel and get ready for flow management - and dont blame us - blame ACSA
Regards
ps ACSA stands for ASSOCIATION OF COMPLETELY STUPID ":MAD:"HOLES
They were calibrating last week when the ILS went womky and they (CAA) turned it off - safety factors involved.
We have asked ACSA to order the parts since last August and they did not want to spend the money - now they are goint to spend money as some of the parts they ordered are wrong. They still have not managed to find the fault - now they are going further into it and it is going to cost megabcks to fix - then it has to be re-commissioned and that is going to take ages.
So when winter comes to Cape Town brings lots of fuel and get ready for flow management - and dont blame us - blame ACSA
Regards
ps ACSA stands for ASSOCIATION OF COMPLETELY STUPID ":MAD:"HOLES
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IFALPA Deficiency Reports
It is once again time for us pilots to fill in IFALPA deficiency reports - as Goldfish mentioned, it is time for IFALPA to get involved in the deficiencies in this country. Please fill in these forms, for all deficiencies in South Africa (a lot of folks only believe these reports are only for our neighbouring countries) and I assure you IFALPA will get involved!
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GFJ
Q: Who is responsible for the maintenance on the ACSA owned ILSs?
A: ATNS, I believe
Why is it that ATNS has a service contract with a third party company to do D-level maintenance and to supply spares if the 3rd party has no agreement with the OEM for that specific equipment ito turn around times, technical support and spares?
I also believe that the 3rd party company has nobody trained on your specific equipment? What is the safety factor. Maybe the CAA is looking after safty issues after all. Will you allow your wife to take you to the Vet for heart surgery? After all they are both called dr?
Fishy indeed!
Q: Who is responsible for the maintenance on the ACSA owned ILSs?
A: ATNS, I believe
Why is it that ATNS has a service contract with a third party company to do D-level maintenance and to supply spares if the 3rd party has no agreement with the OEM for that specific equipment ito turn around times, technical support and spares?
I also believe that the 3rd party company has nobody trained on your specific equipment? What is the safety factor. Maybe the CAA is looking after safty issues after all. Will you allow your wife to take you to the Vet for heart surgery? After all they are both called dr?
Fishy indeed!
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GFJ
I believe your ILS is back on the air? Kindly confirm. Rumour has it that the controllers in CT are stopping the technical guys from performing the daily ILS checks that needs to be performed on a Cat III ILS i.e taking an ILS test set and to check the centerline signal in space. IF true then I believe ATNS is to blame for the quality of signal in space and not the ACSA as they only paid for the system.
ATNS stands for: All Talk NO Service
I believe your ILS is back on the air? Kindly confirm. Rumour has it that the controllers in CT are stopping the technical guys from performing the daily ILS checks that needs to be performed on a Cat III ILS i.e taking an ILS test set and to check the centerline signal in space. IF true then I believe ATNS is to blame for the quality of signal in space and not the ACSA as they only paid for the system.
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Hey EX ATC glad you left us - firstly the present ILS's allow for daily checks to be done on-line, not like the ILS's you used in the 1970s. so they do them and it has no impace on any operations whatsoever.
ATNS might be responsible for the servicing - you got that right, at least, but if you don't buy the parts how can you fix a broken system??
Maybe your wife should take you to the vet for an attitude and correct information operation
You will be pleased to know that my ILS is not back in service - I dont and never have and never intend to own an ILS - I dont even have an airfield to put it on, however the ILS at Cape Town is back in service.
ATNS might be responsible for the servicing - you got that right, at least, but if you don't buy the parts how can you fix a broken system??
Maybe your wife should take you to the vet for an attitude and correct information operation
You will be pleased to know that my ILS is not back in service - I dont and never have and never intend to own an ILS - I dont even have an airfield to put it on, however the ILS at Cape Town is back in service.
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he he he fishbowl... getting a tad stroppy there with your old colluege in arms mate 
give him hell.
PS: Sorry to ask but what happend to "George Tower" - think that was his addy - been a long time hey ?
Does he also take cebatiicals like me ? spelling ?
give him hell.
PS: Sorry to ask but what happend to "George Tower" - think that was his addy - been a long time hey ?
Does he also take cebatiicals like me ? spelling ?
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Chill out !! At least we did things by the book. I'm glad to see that the attitude of the controller is always right is still alive and well. I surely hope your knowledge on contolling procedures and the SSIs are better than your knowledge on Navaids and ICAO rules.
Yes, the Thales series of equipment can do the checks via the RMMS as installed in CT by using the farfield monitor that's installed on the aerodrome, but the requirement from ICAO cleary stipulates that you need to do daily runway CL checks in order to confirm that your monitors are correct. If you don't do that, how will you confirm if your monitor is still accurate. Get ATNS HQ to send you the ICAO requirements as incorporated into the ATNS document asap. Maybe to include it as part of the CT SSIs (Not to be personal but maybe some of the junior ATCs can learn something that can enhance their already superior knowledge of the bigger aviation picture)
Rumour has it that the monitor parameters were adjusted (wider)after the first flight calibration in order to try and stop the system from switching off as a result of the technical problem.
If you don't understand the phrase of going to the vet for heart surgery in the right context, please don't show your stupidity on the net.
The question still is WHY ATNS HAVE A MAINTENANCE CONTRACT WITH A THIRD PARTY CPY THAT'S NOT EVEN QUALIFIED TO WORK ON THE SYSTEM (none of their personnel are trained on the system) AND HAS NO AGREEMENT IN PLACE WITH THE EQUIPMENT MANUFACTURER IN ORDER TO GET SPARES AND TECHNICAL SUPPORT WHEN NEEDED???? - MAYBE ITS JUST A RUMOUR.
I don't expect you to have the answers since you are just a shift worker for ATNS.
Chill out !! At least we did things by the book. I'm glad to see that the attitude of the controller is always right is still alive and well. I surely hope your knowledge on contolling procedures and the SSIs are better than your knowledge on Navaids and ICAO rules.
Yes, the Thales series of equipment can do the checks via the RMMS as installed in CT by using the farfield monitor that's installed on the aerodrome, but the requirement from ICAO cleary stipulates that you need to do daily runway CL checks in order to confirm that your monitors are correct. If you don't do that, how will you confirm if your monitor is still accurate. Get ATNS HQ to send you the ICAO requirements as incorporated into the ATNS document asap. Maybe to include it as part of the CT SSIs (Not to be personal but maybe some of the junior ATCs can learn something that can enhance their already superior knowledge of the bigger aviation picture)
Rumour has it that the monitor parameters were adjusted (wider)after the first flight calibration in order to try and stop the system from switching off as a result of the technical problem.
If you don't understand the phrase of going to the vet for heart surgery in the right context, please don't show your stupidity on the net.
The question still is WHY ATNS HAVE A MAINTENANCE CONTRACT WITH A THIRD PARTY CPY THAT'S NOT EVEN QUALIFIED TO WORK ON THE SYSTEM (none of their personnel are trained on the system) AND HAS NO AGREEMENT IN PLACE WITH THE EQUIPMENT MANUFACTURER IN ORDER TO GET SPARES AND TECHNICAL SUPPORT WHEN NEEDED???? - MAYBE ITS JUST A RUMOUR.
I don't expect you to have the answers since you are just a shift worker for ATNS.
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I don't expect you to have the answers since you are just a shift worker for ATNS.
Hey Guns....
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Oh my ... GF Big Bowl is gonna wake up with a .. ... guys give him a break .. he had a hard day today and maybe (again) not had it all.
Look fwd to the replies when I wake up tomorrow ... Eischhh good Saffer wine in West Africa is topzzzzzz
Look fwd to the replies when I wake up tomorrow ... Eischhh good Saffer wine in West Africa is topzzzzzz