Cape Town Runway closed again - the debacle continues
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I checked all the online newspapers ... niks not even Die Burger has a thing on it ... as you say till tommorrow mate.
Goeie nag en lekker slaap
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Read in the paper that it was 1Time.
I also heard that 1Time went off the runway at ELS recently! Anybody in the know about that?
Another rumour I heard was that a Nationwide flight nearly ended in disaster after landing on a wet runway with a 20 knot tailwind, also in ELS. Apparently it happened around the time when there was only 1 ILS working. So it must have been about 2-3 months ago.
I also heard that 1Time went off the runway at ELS recently! Anybody in the know about that?
Another rumour I heard was that a Nationwide flight nearly ended in disaster after landing on a wet runway with a 20 knot tailwind, also in ELS. Apparently it happened around the time when there was only 1 ILS working. So it must have been about 2-3 months ago.
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Sorry TMA - I was sober last night and this morning ...
Did the tail moer af on landing or just a small part of it ?
Call me dof
Did the tail moer af on landing or just a small part of it ?
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Just chatted to a 1Time Engineer at JHB International.
What Hoggwash! The aircraft (MD 82) belongs to 1Time and is currently parked outside the hangar at JHB International with its tail off. It was NOT involved in any form of accident/incident. The aircraft is undergoing a normal, periodic C Check inspection and upon the inspection, the engineers discovered some corrosion, and removed several parts, including the tail section in order to remedy the problem.
The whole world would have known if the tail of any airpplane fell off on landing, no matter where in the world. Firstly its an immediate reportable incident as it would have been classified as a major structural failure. The CAA, the FAA and the manufacturers would get involved, and surely the newspaper spies would have been all over it like a rash.
So if the alledged incident happened at CPT, why is the aircraft not at CPT, but parked outside the hangar at JHB Int?
My guess is that some dude saw it with its tail off at JHB International and posted it on the pprune. Come on guys, get serious! Or maybe the "poster" is in the employ of the opposition?
Don't scare those loyal 1Timeist now! By the way, does the green cow carrier also not fly MD's?
What Hoggwash! The aircraft (MD 82) belongs to 1Time and is currently parked outside the hangar at JHB International with its tail off. It was NOT involved in any form of accident/incident. The aircraft is undergoing a normal, periodic C Check inspection and upon the inspection, the engineers discovered some corrosion, and removed several parts, including the tail section in order to remedy the problem.
The whole world would have known if the tail of any airpplane fell off on landing, no matter where in the world. Firstly its an immediate reportable incident as it would have been classified as a major structural failure. The CAA, the FAA and the manufacturers would get involved, and surely the newspaper spies would have been all over it like a rash.
So if the alledged incident happened at CPT, why is the aircraft not at CPT, but parked outside the hangar at JHB Int?
My guess is that some dude saw it with its tail off at JHB International and posted it on the pprune. Come on guys, get serious! Or maybe the "poster" is in the employ of the opposition?
Don't scare those loyal 1Timeist now! By the way, does the green cow carrier also not fly MD's?
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Perhaps it was an illuision...but the "tail cone" (the back piece) came off....oil and bolts contaminated the rwy....which was clsd...caused 2 diversions....many holds...ATC incidents where filed....but hey....maybe my whiskey was stonger than expected....
josh....not employed by opposition...I am a BIG fan of low cost airlines....have a mate who is a captain at 1time.....
Gun....the whishkey was good for me last nite.....wasn\'t whole tail that came off....I understand twas the "cone?" at the rear....
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Josk mate I happen to know TMA and he is a guide dog in disguise - so no worries mate - although he loves the well known brands and that made me worried last night.
I see REAL ORCA is online ... let's hear it from my old friends mouth (and the opposition)
hey it is a rumour network after all
Cheers out to the pool for a swim .. 34 Degrees and climbing
I see REAL ORCA is online ... let's hear it from my old friends mouth (and the opposition)
hey it is a rumour network after all
Cheers out to the pool for a swim .. 34 Degrees and climbing
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TMAguide, nothing so serious will allow an aircraft to depart again for JHB from CPT, should your observation have been the case or correct. The engineer assured me that nothing, and I mean nothing, was wrong with the aircraft and what they're doing to it now, is purely routine.
I'll ask my mates down in CPT to check with ATC what caused the runway closure (if any) but alledgedly it was not the MD82.
Goldfish Jack, where are you my man? Got any news?
I'll ask my mates down in CPT to check with ATC what caused the runway closure (if any) but alledgedly it was not the MD82.
Goldfish Jack, where are you my man? Got any news?
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Saturday CAPE ARGUS.........
Part falls off jet
April 16, 2005
By Staff Reporter
An aircraft coming in to land at Cape Town International Airport yesterday lost a part which fell off and hit the runway. The Onetime Airlines aeroplane landed safely but several other flights were delayed while staff cleaned debris from the runway.
Attempts to find out exactly what part of the aircraft had fallen off were unsuccessful. The airlines was investigating the incident.
http://capeargus.co.za/index.php?fSe...icleId=2484461
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Part falls off jet
April 16, 2005
By Staff Reporter
An aircraft coming in to land at Cape Town International Airport yesterday lost a part which fell off and hit the runway. The Onetime Airlines aeroplane landed safely but several other flights were delayed while staff cleaned debris from the runway.
Attempts to find out exactly what part of the aircraft had fallen off were unsuccessful. The airlines was investigating the incident.
http://capeargus.co.za/index.php?fSe...icleId=2484461
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TMAguide no worries and well done with your search in the Argus. At least now ol Gunzzzz can't blame you for having tooo much of the good stuff!
How is the wx and the "head" this morning in good 'ol CPT? During my odd visits to CPT, I have noticed that the ATC there are trying hard to be efficient, though sometimes they are not. They stress a lot I've noticed. 5 airplanes on the approach, and the guys take strain!
I see in the SA Newspapers that the Police and the public prosecutors are now drinking more due to work stress and that has resulted in a lot of problems like amnesia, insomnia, irritability and in some cases even loss of libido and infertility. Man, I hope that you CPT ATC guys will not suffer that way as well due to work stress. Infertility is a big problem my man! How will my brothers be able to pro-create if they're put under such stress? Come on Thabo, don't let my brothers suffer so much. we NEED to keep Azania populated! Viva!
How is the wx and the "head" this morning in good 'ol CPT? During my odd visits to CPT, I have noticed that the ATC there are trying hard to be efficient, though sometimes they are not. They stress a lot I've noticed. 5 airplanes on the approach, and the guys take strain!
I see in the SA Newspapers that the Police and the public prosecutors are now drinking more due to work stress and that has resulted in a lot of problems like amnesia, insomnia, irritability and in some cases even loss of libido and infertility. Man, I hope that you CPT ATC guys will not suffer that way as well due to work stress. Infertility is a big problem my man! How will my brothers be able to pro-create if they're put under such stress? Come on Thabo, don't let my brothers suffer so much. we NEED to keep Azania populated! Viva!
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you gotta understand...its a stressful job Josh.....we gotta keep worring about where we gonna get the next bottle from coz we ain't gonna get 'any' anyway....
I've worked a few places...and like with everything...you get all types....some ATC's can be extremely busy with 2 planes....others seem cool and collected but have a turtle head protruding....its one proffession with many characters.... (some that can't spell too....)
head hurts a little today...CT lekker wx...off to rugby later....GO STORMERS....
I've worked a few places...and like with everything...you get all types....some ATC's can be extremely busy with 2 planes....others seem cool and collected but have a turtle head protruding....its one proffession with many characters.... (some that can't spell too....)
head hurts a little today...CT lekker wx...off to rugby later....GO STORMERS....
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Hey Josh what u drink??
SPoke to my colleagues and it was a red MD82 at Cape Town - they saw it actually come off. It is designed to come off quite easily as it is part of the emergency exit system at the back of the aircraft. Dont ask me how it works but luckily no-one was injured and after a few delays things got back to normal.
So we take strain with 5 aircraft. mmm like some pilots who take strain when met observce 1/8 cloud at FL400 and they want to divert around it. Just remember we are all human beings and it takes time to build up experience - maybe a new controller on the job when you last arrived in the Cape. now about student pilots, if you want to think that you are all experts and expect the same service level from each and all ATCs. No-one is perfect and we are all trying our best.
Hey TMAguide - hope the stormsers win - hell enough pilot bulls have sent me SMSs. I dont need reminding........
Guns - saw the friendly whale during the week - he is well fat and fat and full of fun. Had a drink or two with him and Sker and he is also well and sends regards
GFJ
SPoke to my colleagues and it was a red MD82 at Cape Town - they saw it actually come off. It is designed to come off quite easily as it is part of the emergency exit system at the back of the aircraft. Dont ask me how it works but luckily no-one was injured and after a few delays things got back to normal.
So we take strain with 5 aircraft. mmm like some pilots who take strain when met observce 1/8 cloud at FL400 and they want to divert around it. Just remember we are all human beings and it takes time to build up experience - maybe a new controller on the job when you last arrived in the Cape. now about student pilots, if you want to think that you are all experts and expect the same service level from each and all ATCs. No-one is perfect and we are all trying our best.
Hey TMAguide - hope the stormsers win - hell enough pilot bulls have sent me SMSs. I dont need reminding........
Guns - saw the friendly whale during the week - he is well fat and fat and full of fun. Had a drink or two with him and Sker and he is also well and sends regards
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Planned power cut as TMAguide says...........
Why do they wait until the busiest part of the day to do this work and not at 0400am like they should. Did n't want to spend money on overtime, so now they got a bill of note from the airlines to claim back the fuel wasted, etc etc
RESULT: The airlines now getting together to tell ACSA when they can do their maint work.
Why do they wait until the busiest part of the day to do this work and not at 0400am like they should. Did n't want to spend money on overtime, so now they got a bill of note from the airlines to claim back the fuel wasted, etc etc
RESULT: The airlines now getting together to tell ACSA when they can do their maint work.
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Hey GFJ - good to hear from you matey I knew I will get you out of bed calling you a fatty
Pse send me sker's contact details mate - we have a reunion coming up
Wel done TMA ... 1-0 to you
I knew I will get you out of bed calling you a fatty Pse send me sker's contact details mate - we have a reunion coming up
Wel done TMA ... 1-0 to you
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Yes it was the 1-Time MD-82 and it was a rather strange sight to see it pull into the bay next to us minus the tail cone. Even funnier were all the technical types standing around scratching their heads, watching the cone arrive from the runway on the back of a bakkie. Rather reminded me of that old poster with the train off the bridge and the subscript reading "Oh s..."
Runways were both closed for a while, one SAA -800 came close to diverting but 19 was reopened just in time.
They must have taped the tail cone back, later last night when we got back to CT the a/c was gone.
Runways were both closed for a while, one SAA -800 came close to diverting but 19 was reopened just in time.
They must have taped the tail cone back, later last night when we got back to CT the a/c was gone.
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Acsa Does It Again !!!!!!!
We have been informed by ACSA that THEIR ILS (yes ACSA owns it - we do not) on runway 01 is UNSERV UFN!!!!
Dont ask us what the problem is, but the weather is achanging and we are entering the FOG season. Isn't it amazing that these things break when we need it most!
They have also told us that it will be u/s UFN. We expect it to be returned to service about 30secs after the first intercontinental longhaul diverts one morning to FAJS due to no ILS at FACT!
Please do not direct your anger at my colleagues but rather at ACSA and they can be contacted via VHF 122,65 (aka APRON office). We really have no idea what is wrong and how long it will be off. In the meantime you can get the VOR/DME plate out and expect radar vectors to that approach ( even better ask for a visual approach - much easier)
Seriously though, the time has come for someone at ACSA to be accountable for all the '
'-ups recently at Cape Town International. How they can win awards and they have no reliabe ILS and no reliable runway lighting system...............
Oh well I suppose it is Africa....................... Time for IFALPA to get involved and start blacklisting the airfield. It is sorely needed.
ATNS goes to great expense to upgrade their equipment to handle the anticipated increase in traffic and all ACSA does is ensure that nothing is reliabe and works properly (or even better at all!!)
We are trying but we need your help out there to put pressure on ACSA to come to the party........
Dont ask us what the problem is, but the weather is achanging and we are entering the FOG season. Isn't it amazing that these things break when we need it most!
They have also told us that it will be u/s UFN. We expect it to be returned to service about 30secs after the first intercontinental longhaul diverts one morning to FAJS due to no ILS at FACT!
Please do not direct your anger at my colleagues but rather at ACSA and they can be contacted via VHF 122,65 (aka APRON office). We really have no idea what is wrong and how long it will be off. In the meantime you can get the VOR/DME plate out and expect radar vectors to that approach ( even better ask for a visual approach - much easier)
Seriously though, the time has come for someone at ACSA to be accountable for all the '
'-ups recently at Cape Town International. How they can win awards and they have no reliabe ILS and no reliable runway lighting system...............Oh well I suppose it is Africa....................... Time for IFALPA to get involved and start blacklisting the airfield. It is sorely needed.
ATNS goes to great expense to upgrade their equipment to handle the anticipated increase in traffic and all ACSA does is ensure that nothing is reliabe and works properly (or even better at all!!)
We are trying but we need your help out there to put pressure on ACSA to come to the party........
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There's a post on the Avcom forum regarding ACSA but I don't think it specifically mentions this problem at FACT..... yet.
Agree with you about that. They spend piles of our money making sure the duty free shops are in a position to make money from the passengers, without giving any thought to the fact that passengers won't be frequenting those businesses if they can't get to FACT.
Bet you the fees haven't changed to reflect lack of service....
Agree with you about that. They spend piles of our money making sure the duty free shops are in a position to make money from the passengers, without giving any thought to the fact that passengers won't be frequenting those businesses if they can't get to FACT.
Bet you the fees haven't changed to reflect lack of service....