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Hey Guns, remember the Huey thread?
There's what you see and what I see. I made it clear when and where the usernames were writing from. Remember? Heli Ops? Believe me I didn't tell half of it but it is stored, archived and duplicated offsite. This entire site is written and run in unix - you just see a pretty pastel veneer over the top of it.
You'll see another example last week in the Alpha one thread on airlines and routes. I drilled down 'three' jokers promoting a dubious startup to the same keyboard and made it public.
We tracked the guvnor down to street level in Ayr, Scotland by systematically blocking IP addresses. As you know he's now serving life.
What we do is solid Guns. We've done it for 10 years next month. We built an audience with thousands of hours of unpaid work. Therefore businesses pay to access our readers - doesn't matter whether it's Ryanair, easyJet or a flying school. What's more important is that they can only access the readers in a way that is clearly, totally differentiated from normal posts.
Oh, and even if they are paying it also doesn't make them immune to criticism as anyone who reads outside this forum will agree. If anyone leads a sheltered life get ye to Rumours and news and read the threads today on Ryan and easy.
Regards
Rob
There's what you see and what I see. I made it clear when and where the usernames were writing from. Remember? Heli Ops? Believe me I didn't tell half of it but it is stored, archived and duplicated offsite. This entire site is written and run in unix - you just see a pretty pastel veneer over the top of it.
You'll see another example last week in the Alpha one thread on airlines and routes. I drilled down 'three' jokers promoting a dubious startup to the same keyboard and made it public.
We tracked the guvnor down to street level in Ayr, Scotland by systematically blocking IP addresses. As you know he's now serving life.
What we do is solid Guns. We've done it for 10 years next month. We built an audience with thousands of hours of unpaid work. Therefore businesses pay to access our readers - doesn't matter whether it's Ryanair, easyJet or a flying school. What's more important is that they can only access the readers in a way that is clearly, totally differentiated from normal posts.
Oh, and even if they are paying it also doesn't make them immune to criticism as anyone who reads outside this forum will agree. If anyone leads a sheltered life get ye to Rumours and news and read the threads today on Ryan and easy.
Regards
Rob
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Hey Rob - fully agree - been on PPRUNE since the beginning (and Gunss since 99, therefore I still just find it a tad strange that flying schools are banned / blocked and trolls starting inflamatory threads get's away with it ?
Sorry but that boils down to my problem.
As ZS-NDV says :
So CFS-CFI was blocked .. so was Steven Stark ... and most of them said who they where. - All trying to defend themselves in something they believe in.
But the thread starter was not heard from since more than 2 years ago... So what happened to Irish-Pilot27 ?Was he Sandy Young ? Was he competition of CFS ? Does he hate GT ? 4 posts in 2 days and he NEVER , ever appeared again on PPRUNE – all 4 posts degrading / GT / CFS. So three threads running over two years … same story same irk …
Re the Guv .. well done Danny - well done Pprune ... well done Gunss (think you know) - that is not what is happening here ROb - sorry mate.
Sorry mate call me stupid but I for the life of me can not see an existance of a thread by a fake / troll / competitor ... ?
Cheers
Gunsss
Sorry but that boils down to my problem.
As ZS-NDV says :
Ok, so I decide today to mount up a story on 43rd (for eg.) saying all sorts of things (which I may just think up when I'm on the loo with no Flight International at hand).
And what's going to happen? Someone from 43rd will try and defend themselves and they also will be blocked out of the forum???
And what's going to happen? Someone from 43rd will try and defend themselves and they also will be blocked out of the forum???
But the thread starter was not heard from since more than 2 years ago... So what happened to Irish-Pilot27 ?Was he Sandy Young ? Was he competition of CFS ? Does he hate GT ? 4 posts in 2 days and he NEVER , ever appeared again on PPRUNE – all 4 posts degrading / GT / CFS. So three threads running over two years … same story same irk …
Re the Guv .. well done Danny - well done Pprune ... well done Gunss (think you know) - that is not what is happening here ROb - sorry mate.
Sorry mate call me stupid but I for the life of me can not see an existance of a thread by a fake / troll / competitor ... ?
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KISS MY BROWN ......................
I promised That I would not respond on this thread again. But since people want to respond to this silly thread still, I have now vowed that for every respond to this thread i WILL now respond with the following:
HOW THE HELL CAN WE BELIEVE YOU, YOU ****, YOU ****, YOU LIE. But not to worry, the BRITISH moderator who loves JAR licenses will propably ban this reply, But I promise you this, if I have to re-register every day, I will now post the same message every day untill this thread and every other thread relating to this topic is banned or untill I am banned ( FREEDOM OF SPEECH) So Rob The Wholy, go ahead and keep this thread aLIVE. pRETTY SOON YOU WILL SEE WHAT dimocracy is all about. It seems tht you know what freedom of speech is all about. Amazing how your government is now throwing people out of country who does not conmform to your way of thinking. Welcome to Africa.
HOW THE HELL CAN WE BELIEVE YOU, YOU ****, YOU ****, YOU LIE. But not to worry, the BRITISH moderator who loves JAR licenses will propably ban this reply, But I promise you this, if I have to re-register every day, I will now post the same message every day untill this thread and every other thread relating to this topic is banned or untill I am banned ( FREEDOM OF SPEECH) So Rob The Wholy, go ahead and keep this thread aLIVE. pRETTY SOON YOU WILL SEE WHAT dimocracy is all about. It seems tht you know what freedom of speech is all about. Amazing how your government is now throwing people out of country who does not conmform to your way of thinking. Welcome to Africa.
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Nope,
That's your lot gunns - First post from Irish was straight and to the point. A regular switching to an alternative ID for the reasons accurately described by Siverknapper on the previous page.
I can see the exact town he posted from as could 4HP and Jetdriver at the time - it's just that I get to see much more detail. No reason to bin it then or now.
Here's an interesting search result.
http://www.pprune.org/forums/search....der=descending
2001/2/3 sees the forum awash with threads from eager foreigners regarding training in SA. The place is buzzing with folks from overseas wanting to come over and train with you guys. Anyone reading at the time really must have thought your schools were hitting some sort of critical mass with the overwhelming interest being shown.
At the time Gunns you're plugging 43 and Algol at every possible opportunity but FTC1, FTC2 and Global kill the enquiries stone dead. Not Irish, not Sandy. SA blew its reputation back then - the posts are all there for you to read.
The same denial is evident there and remains all the way through until at last Rhodie steps in with a warm and generous offer of help during the final Global debacle.
Flying school enquiries, chit chat and enthusiasm died then - before Sandy started his action or Irish made his posts. Look for yourselves.
As folks in SA don't have an apparent problem with foreigners paying up front, being told they can do a PPL in three weeks, having to kept daft amounts of credit or going home with a silly licence why do you guys keep bringing the threads back to the top? Why not see if it has legs of its own and can sustain itself?
Or is that too obvious? Especially for Jaco?
Rob
That's your lot gunns - First post from Irish was straight and to the point. A regular switching to an alternative ID for the reasons accurately described by Siverknapper on the previous page.
I can see the exact town he posted from as could 4HP and Jetdriver at the time - it's just that I get to see much more detail. No reason to bin it then or now.
Here's an interesting search result.
http://www.pprune.org/forums/search....der=descending
2001/2/3 sees the forum awash with threads from eager foreigners regarding training in SA. The place is buzzing with folks from overseas wanting to come over and train with you guys. Anyone reading at the time really must have thought your schools were hitting some sort of critical mass with the overwhelming interest being shown.
At the time Gunns you're plugging 43 and Algol at every possible opportunity but FTC1, FTC2 and Global kill the enquiries stone dead. Not Irish, not Sandy. SA blew its reputation back then - the posts are all there for you to read.
The same denial is evident there and remains all the way through until at last Rhodie steps in with a warm and generous offer of help during the final Global debacle.
Flying school enquiries, chit chat and enthusiasm died then - before Sandy started his action or Irish made his posts. Look for yourselves.
As folks in SA don't have an apparent problem with foreigners paying up front, being told they can do a PPL in three weeks, having to kept daft amounts of credit or going home with a silly licence why do you guys keep bringing the threads back to the top? Why not see if it has legs of its own and can sustain itself?
Or is that too obvious? Especially for Jaco?
Rob
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Hi Rob,
Tx for the info re the moderation bit but I have been a moderator myself for 8 odd years and know how it works. Sorry but that impresses my the least.
How you distinguish between two flying schools using the same ADSL (broadband) equipment on the same airfield - I do not know as our latest software will give similar / very similar IP Addresses.
Ok that's on the tech side of things.
So yo uare ok with people posting slanderous threads to dissapear and join under a false name / anothe rname again ?
Those "eager folks" in 2001 was just there as the pound was R18 to a Pound - therefore the interest.
Anyway - whatever thanks for the response - no questions answered and it seems will remain un- answered.
It is a shame that when it comes to "SA Flying Schools bashing" threads get the nod and heavy "work" put into it and so on ... I can just wonder in amazement why.
Have a great day all.
I am really finished with this now as I can not understand the PPRUNE about turns.
Cheers,
Gunns
Tx for the info re the moderation bit but I have been a moderator myself for 8 odd years and know how it works. Sorry but that impresses my the least.
How you distinguish between two flying schools using the same ADSL (broadband) equipment on the same airfield - I do not know as our latest software will give similar / very similar IP Addresses.
Ok that's on the tech side of things.
So yo uare ok with people posting slanderous threads to dissapear and join under a false name / anothe rname again ?
Those "eager folks" in 2001 was just there as the pound was R18 to a Pound - therefore the interest.
Anyway - whatever thanks for the response - no questions answered and it seems will remain un- answered.
It is a shame that when it comes to "SA Flying Schools bashing" threads get the nod and heavy "work" put into it and so on ... I can just wonder in amazement why.
Have a great day all.
I am really finished with this now as I can not understand the PPRUNE about turns.
Cheers,
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Anyway - whatever thanks for the response - no questions answered and it seems will remain un- answered.
Sorry Towers but you haven't answered the question that Gunss and myself have asked.
It's sad to see that this sort of bashing is allowed especially without allowing the incriminated to a right to a defense. This thread should be closed as it has done enought damage.
Humm just had an idea:
As this seems to be a popular sport, anyone for a pick on another flying school?... Maybe there should be a sub-section named 'South African fyling school bashing'... I'm sure it would be very popular...
Frenchy aka ZS-NDV
I agree guys. Pprune Towers is obviously abusing his moderating powers by disregarding a request from the majority and also by overruling the actual moderators of the "African Aviation" Forum.
This belongs in Jet Blast, rather than souring a good forum. But maybe that is his intention?
Tad childish.....but there you go!
How about examing that fine teaching establishment in Bedfordshire before pointing fingers?
Two wrongs don't make a right, but two Wrights do make an aeroplane.
This belongs in Jet Blast, rather than souring a good forum. But maybe that is his intention?
Tad childish.....but there you go!
How about examing that fine teaching establishment in Bedfordshire before pointing fingers?
Two wrongs don't make a right, but two Wrights do make an aeroplane.
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Sure hope that this thread will be closed and moved and no new ones allowed to open. Sanjo's battle is by now well enough documented. As I wrote before, he should look also to mirrow when looking who to blame. 3 weeks is extremely short , even for a young and talented fellow. Impossible for the ordinary aged man/woman.
Please, just call it a day and close this thread.
Please, just call it a day and close this thread.
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i dont understand why this thread causes so much anger and unhappiness, except for flight school owners who feel they are being accused, rightly or wrongly, of bad management and ripping students off.
as for the likes of bester, whats your problem. people are entitled to have their say, you might not agree with their opinion, but hey i disagree with lots of peoples opinions.
quote:
It seems tht you know what freedom of speech is all about. Amazing how your government is now throwing people out of country who does not conmform to your way of thinking. Welcome to Africa.
please dont even go down a road of politics you know nothing about, which is quite obvious when someone makes such a ridiculous statement such as what you have....
whatever rock it was that you climbed out from under, please go back!
as for the likes of bester, whats your problem. people are entitled to have their say, you might not agree with their opinion, but hey i disagree with lots of peoples opinions.
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It seems tht you know what freedom of speech is all about. Amazing how your government is now throwing people out of country who does not conmform to your way of thinking. Welcome to Africa.
please dont even go down a road of politics you know nothing about, which is quite obvious when someone makes such a ridiculous statement such as what you have....
whatever rock it was that you climbed out from under, please go back!
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It's about folks being told they can do a PPL in three weeks and book flights accordingly.
SA Licence standards: well having validated the holders of UK, German, Swiss, FAA, Turkey and SA licences I can reliably tell you that all of the aforementioned have tried to kill me at one time or another. SA Holders seem better equipped in SA conditions however. FAA holders would be my second choice....
Is Rob out of line in attacking SA advertising? Well since we are the kings of the non-existent 3 week course I don't think so... I'd guess this affect the credibility of the rest of our advertising too.
Wouldn't have rewarded this thread with a reply but it was already at the top....
BTW Gunns, PPrune drops cookies on your machine which potentially allows them to narrow a series of posts to one "keyboard." Being smart guys I\'ll bet they use this info when it suits them.
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Just got back home from a nice flight...........Checked my mail.......and took a quick look at PPRuNe to see what's going on there in Africa...!!
Oke Guys,............Concerning CFS / Gerald Todd...................
lets call it a day..........!!!!!!!!!!!!
I think everyone is getting fed up whith this subject, and had a chance to say whatever they wanted to say..!!!
I agree with my friend Frenchy, all's been said and done..........lets get it over with..!!
Goodnight everyone......!!
Fly Safe
Gary Pols
Oke Guys,............Concerning CFS / Gerald Todd...................
lets call it a day..........!!!!!!!!!!!!
I think everyone is getting fed up whith this subject, and had a chance to say whatever they wanted to say..!!!
I agree with my friend Frenchy, all's been said and done..........lets get it over with..!!
Goodnight everyone......!!
Fly Safe
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ZS-NDV: 'SA flying school bashing............
After the debacle that was CFS I finished my CPL at Natal Flight Ctre - excellent school; first time pass.
I did the CPL ground school with FTC - very good teachers; first time passes and good grades.
I then did an a/c rating at Virginia Flight School - fairly good and I got what I paid for.
Then another a/c rating with Foster Aero - again a good school and rating in min hours.
The twin rating I did at Blue Chip - again very competent and enjoyable.
Instrument renewal at Lanseria - again good, especially Cecil they got it done in min hours and min cash outlay.
All these flying schools provided a good service with a smile.
Credit where credit is due.
After the debacle that was CFS I finished my CPL at Natal Flight Ctre - excellent school; first time pass.
I did the CPL ground school with FTC - very good teachers; first time passes and good grades.
I then did an a/c rating at Virginia Flight School - fairly good and I got what I paid for.
Then another a/c rating with Foster Aero - again a good school and rating in min hours.
The twin rating I did at Blue Chip - again very competent and enjoyable.
Instrument renewal at Lanseria - again good, especially Cecil they got it done in min hours and min cash outlay.
All these flying schools provided a good service with a smile.
Credit where credit is due.
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G.T offered a refund of 40K in the form of 10 post dated cheques when he actually owes more than 100K. The contract does say refunds at his "discretion" - but, is that fair???
Also know someone who spent their entire inheritance on a Comm at CFS. Unfortunately had an accident and now G.T confiscating the entire balance of 114K for "loss of income" while the plane was down being repaired by insurance. Fair???
Also know someone who spent their entire inheritance on a Comm at CFS. Unfortunately had an accident and now G.T confiscating the entire balance of 114K for "loss of income" while the plane was down being repaired by insurance. Fair???
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PATHETIC PPRUNE !!!
I find it absolutely pathetic that PRRUNE involved themselves so much into threads that can allow jack and his jealous mate to go on and on like this ... "new members" / New trolls - new accusations every day ... To top it all : Flying schools are banned to post a response - how low can you go ... and we call it a democracy
How "one - way" can you get in life ??? Where is justice ?
Has PPRUNE got another agenda ? Is the lucrative SA flying schools biting into personal businesses here perhaps ???
I am disappointed and very bitter right now
!!!This is NOT the PPRUNE I "grew up" with !
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*Yawn*
Just to respond to erked
Your "friend's" little accident, resulted i many students at the school having to extend their stay at the school, and paying for extra living costs because of your friend deciding it would be "fun" tofly low level along a river bed, and nearly kill himself when he hit powerlines.
I've got no time for fellow reckless students, if he plane gets damaged, then I/other students end up suffering, why because someone else decides to be a cowboy. His reckless actions cost the school and it's students dearly, and nearly tarnished it's amazing safety record (no fatalities or serious injuries to date!!)
It's fully within GT's rights to seek retribution for such reckless and dangerous actions.
But like Guns has been saying, (i'm very new to Pprune) but it is a little disheartening to be seeing such a biased attitude from the moderator here
Your "friend's" little accident, resulted i many students at the school having to extend their stay at the school, and paying for extra living costs because of your friend deciding it would be "fun" tofly low level along a river bed, and nearly kill himself when he hit powerlines.
I've got no time for fellow reckless students, if he plane gets damaged, then I/other students end up suffering, why because someone else decides to be a cowboy. His reckless actions cost the school and it's students dearly, and nearly tarnished it's amazing safety record (no fatalities or serious injuries to date!!)
It's fully within GT's rights to seek retribution for such reckless and dangerous actions.
But like Guns has been saying, (i'm very new to Pprune) but it is a little disheartening to be seeing such a biased attitude from the moderator here
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Gents sorry I just blew it ....
Let me just make a few points very clear.
Because I am an old member here (and boring the **** out of a few) - I think I am the Arthur or the Mather ... no I am not and hope I am not.
I have NO interest at all in CFS.
I have NO interest at all in GT other than I enjoyed his company on the 2 occasions I have met him and the e-mails / conversations I have had with him.
I have no problem with new members on PPRUNE and I feel sad that I have to always mention them.
What I do have a serious problem with (developed over two years on this and NP's thread both aimed against one Flying School / Person) is TROLLS ... (more than one username blasting away just to dissapear again). Trolls has destroyed previous forums - many of them if not controlled.
My problem is straight forward aimed at them and then the biast approach and stance taken against GT / CFS by PPRUNE. It really got me going and irks the **** out of me.
Justice is the key word.
PS: I just had a quick glance at CFS's web site and it is clear to me that they mention 21 days ... but also 28 days if weather permits .. and circumstances. You need not be a space cadet to work out that bad weather = no fly ...
I pressume a PPL takes 3 months to complete in the UK therefore the "loss of income".
Sad day on PPRUNE for me ... really sad ...
Let me just make a few points very clear.
Because I am an old member here (and boring the **** out of a few) - I think I am the Arthur or the Mather ... no I am not and hope I am not.
I have NO interest at all in CFS.
I have NO interest at all in GT other than I enjoyed his company on the 2 occasions I have met him and the e-mails / conversations I have had with him.
I have no problem with new members on PPRUNE and I feel sad that I have to always mention them.
What I do have a serious problem with (developed over two years on this and NP's thread both aimed against one Flying School / Person) is TROLLS ... (more than one username blasting away just to dissapear again). Trolls has destroyed previous forums - many of them if not controlled.
My problem is straight forward aimed at them and then the biast approach and stance taken against GT / CFS by PPRUNE. It really got me going and irks the **** out of me.
Justice is the key word.
PS: I just had a quick glance at CFS's web site and it is clear to me that they mention 21 days ... but also 28 days if weather permits .. and circumstances. You need not be a space cadet to work out that bad weather = no fly ...
I pressume a PPL takes 3 months to complete in the UK therefore the "loss of income".
Sad day on PPRUNE for me ... really sad ...
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Still wonder how big percentage from foreign students were able to complete PPL in 3 weeks?
I guess that ordinary car drivers licence could take longer...
Obviously school has a right to advertize that it "can be done" but the students should look for the mirrow as well and use their own judgement if they can!
I guess that ordinary car drivers licence could take longer...
Obviously school has a right to advertize that it "can be done" but the students should look for the mirrow as well and use their own judgement if they can!
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Still wonder how big percentage from foreign students were able to complete PPL in 3 weeks?
Catching the drift ...
Tx for the PM's / e-mails ... if you guys just know what some people have mailed me about ... it is truley amazing.
Guys posting here under their names that .... nope I am leaving it right there.
Well have a good day all.
Lo out there to all the Flying Schools out there that can read ... but not write ... sad - so sad ...
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Hey all,
Sorry to add another message to the thread but just wanted to give a quick reply to Ph. Buffet who said:
I did my entire comm at CFS in 9 months, got all subjects 1st time with 97% total average and twin rating also on first go.
Flew a total of 1.2 hours over the 200 minimum.
School, personel, management and general ambiance was excellent. Ground school was perfect and flight instruction was a breeze.
Your situation is not to be taken as a generality.
NDV
Sorry to add another message to the thread but just wanted to give a quick reply to Ph. Buffet who said:
ZS-NDV: 'SA flying school bashing............
After the debacle that was CFS I finished my CPL at Natal Flight Ctre - excellent school; first time pass.
I did the CPL ground school with FTC - very good teachers; first time passes and good grades.
I then did an a/c rating at Virginia Flight School - fairly good and I got what I paid for.
Then another a/c rating with Foster Aero - again a good school and rating in min hours.
The twin rating I did at Blue Chip - again very competent and enjoyable.
Instrument renewal at Lanseria - again good, especially Cecil they got it done in min hours and min cash outlay.
All these flying schools provided a good service with a smile.
Credit where credit is due.
After the debacle that was CFS I finished my CPL at Natal Flight Ctre - excellent school; first time pass.
I did the CPL ground school with FTC - very good teachers; first time passes and good grades.
I then did an a/c rating at Virginia Flight School - fairly good and I got what I paid for.
Then another a/c rating with Foster Aero - again a good school and rating in min hours.
The twin rating I did at Blue Chip - again very competent and enjoyable.
Instrument renewal at Lanseria - again good, especially Cecil they got it done in min hours and min cash outlay.
All these flying schools provided a good service with a smile.
Credit where credit is due.
Flew a total of 1.2 hours over the 200 minimum.
School, personel, management and general ambiance was excellent. Ground school was perfect and flight instruction was a breeze.
Your situation is not to be taken as a generality.
NDV
