ZIMbobWE seizes US cargo Plane and Mercenaries
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Mini - Update
Cheers blowawayjet,
Re the thread topic.
The guys are all in good health excpet the one's knee as could be seen from the pics on the net.
Their concern remains that they will be used as political playballs.
Well at least let us hope they get a fair trail in SA. Something they are all willing to do.
Take the punch and get it over and done with ... get their lives back together.
PS: Just remember they never left the aircraft under free will.
Cheers,
Gunsss
Re the thread topic.
The guys are all in good health excpet the one's knee as could be seen from the pics on the net.
Their concern remains that they will be used as political playballs.
Well at least let us hope they get a fair trail in SA. Something they are all willing to do.
Take the punch and get it over and done with ... get their lives back together.
PS: Just remember they never left the aircraft under free will.
Cheers,
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Hello Chaps,
Looks like SAM6 has wound his neck back in.
The following is a pipe-dream. "Would it not be sweet if some kind gent posted SAM6's contact details on PPRUNE?" You know, home address, phone number ETC etc...Mmmmmmm, what a lovely gift it would be!
Anyway Chaps, a good day to you all.
Cheers
Looks like SAM6 has wound his neck back in.
The following is a pipe-dream. "Would it not be sweet if some kind gent posted SAM6's contact details on PPRUNE?" You know, home address, phone number ETC etc...Mmmmmmm, what a lovely gift it would be!
Anyway Chaps, a good day to you all.
Cheers
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Your help in assisting us in getting this thread back to the original topic would be hugely appreciated. Can we please stop dreaming about seeking vengance from this guy who has set a bait and clearly succeeded.
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Well lets hope this gets sorted out. Myself wouldnt land in Harare unless it was a low flight and was on the pickle button.Me asks why they landed in Harare of all places, if they needed fuel surley there would have been other options.
I wish everyone involved is released soon and this has a happy ending.
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I wish everyone involved is released soon and this has a happy ending.
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Don't rise to the bait guys. This most recent snipe has cost him a whole bunch of privileges. Can't say too much but don't expect to be hearing from him again.
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Now that Bob has lost his "tackle" and all that, why doesn't it put on a skirt? That way the freck show would be almost compete.
Maybe then he will show his femine side off and give those poor guys a decent hearing.
Seems he's got an A/C out of it, which should ensure Air Zim's schedules wont suffer from a comadeered pax plane everytime it wishes to travel.
Maybe then he will show his femine side off and give those poor guys a decent hearing.
Seems he's got an A/C out of it, which should ensure Air Zim's schedules wont suffer from a comadeered pax plane everytime it wishes to travel.
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To Gunnss (who seems well and truly back)
Gunnss
Was going to PM you on this, but thought I would leave it open for response..
If you know of any direct family, PM me - I will happily start a donations drive for their immediate needs and whatever other support, legal, monetary, that may be needed.
Cheers
R
Was going to PM you on this, but thought I would leave it open for response..
If you know of any direct family, PM me - I will happily start a donations drive for their immediate needs and whatever other support, legal, monetary, that may be needed.
Cheers
R
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Cheers Rhodie,
That is a very kind gesture.
I have had a request and await further details.
I will let you know as soon as I have them.
Cheers and many thanks !
Gunns (well and truley back)
That is a very kind gesture.
I have had a request and await further details.
I will let you know as soon as I have them.
Cheers and many thanks !
Gunns (well and truley back)
The one good thing to come out of this, (if one can call it that?) is that they have had to move the "Harare 3" out of Chikurubi in order to accommodate the new prisoners. Hopefully things will continue to improve for them. 
I feel that South Africa has a lot to answer for in this case and hopefully they'll get their act together this time, by helping those now at Chikurubi!
I feel that South Africa has a lot to answer for in this case and hopefully they'll get their act together this time, by helping those now at Chikurubi!
IF anyone wants to assist Philip Conjwayo, Kevin Woods or Mike Smith, (Harare 3), then they can do so by sending parcels to
Harare Central Prison
PO Box CY188
Causeway
Harare
Zimbabwe
Please only send any of the following, since anything else will be confiscated;
Dark coloured hand towels, small sachets of powdered drinks, grey socks, Cold/Flu tablets, antiseptic wipes, AA batteries(For Kev only), sachets of sauces(vinegar, ketchup etc.), packets of instant soup, coffe bags, tea bags, powdered milk, Muesli, biscuits, Peanuts&Raisins or dried fruit, sweets, Vitamin tablets, toothpaste in plastic tubes, toothbrushes and medicated bath soap, cigarettes and reading material. (Please use common sense with reading matter.)
Those of you working for airlines, please spare a thought next time you bin those valuable sachets on the crew trays!
We will try to assist those now at Chikurubi, once more details become available.
Many thanks,
Harare Central Prison
PO Box CY188
Causeway
Harare
Zimbabwe
Please only send any of the following, since anything else will be confiscated;
Dark coloured hand towels, small sachets of powdered drinks, grey socks, Cold/Flu tablets, antiseptic wipes, AA batteries(For Kev only), sachets of sauces(vinegar, ketchup etc.), packets of instant soup, coffe bags, tea bags, powdered milk, Muesli, biscuits, Peanuts&Raisins or dried fruit, sweets, Vitamin tablets, toothpaste in plastic tubes, toothbrushes and medicated bath soap, cigarettes and reading material. (Please use common sense with reading matter.)
Those of you working for airlines, please spare a thought next time you bin those valuable sachets on the crew trays!
We will try to assist those now at Chikurubi, once more details become available.
Many thanks,
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This extract is from the Mail & Guardian online (28/04): -
"Zimbabwe's government said on Tuesday it had revised its extradition policy in order to extradite 70 suspected mercenaries accused of plotting a coup in the oil-rich west African nation of Equatorial Guinea."
Very bad news for these guys if this is true - believe they will be extradited to Equatorial Guinea.
"Zimbabwe's government said on Tuesday it had revised its extradition policy in order to extradite 70 suspected mercenaries accused of plotting a coup in the oil-rich west African nation of Equatorial Guinea."
Very bad news for these guys if this is true - believe they will be extradited to Equatorial Guinea.
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While Bob has been wined and dined in SA, compliments of the tax-payers R90m on the inauguration (not withstanding that a number of top hotels "declined" to accomodate Bob and Mrs. Bob) - the prisoners are being tortured...
Excerpt from report: "Guvamombe (Regional magistrate) issued an order for investigations into torture allegations by some of the 67 'suspected mercenaries' held in Harare.
Guvamombe issued his order after defence witness Jaap Steyl, a co-pilot of the Boeing 727 that was impounded at Harare International Airport, allegedly en route to Equatorial Guinea to stage a coup, claimed he had been tortured."
If they are torturing the pilots - and I have no doubt that they have, what chance do the others have.
Any 'frothblowers' want to come out of retirement..? The queue begins at my front door, I'm first in line.
R
Excerpt from report: "Guvamombe (Regional magistrate) issued an order for investigations into torture allegations by some of the 67 'suspected mercenaries' held in Harare.
Guvamombe issued his order after defence witness Jaap Steyl, a co-pilot of the Boeing 727 that was impounded at Harare International Airport, allegedly en route to Equatorial Guinea to stage a coup, claimed he had been tortured."
If they are torturing the pilots - and I have no doubt that they have, what chance do the others have.
Any 'frothblowers' want to come out of retirement..? The queue begins at my front door, I'm first in line.
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Zim 70: SA won't intervene
Zim 70: SA won't intervene
29/04/2004 21:56 - (SA)
Johannesburg - The South African government will not intervene in Zimbabwe's extradition of a 70-strong alleged mercenary group, including 20 South Africans, to Equatorial Guinea, the foreign affairs department said on Thursday.
"There is no legal basis for South Africa to demand that its nationals should not be extradited to another country," the department said in a statement.
However, the government would continue to offer consular services to the men.
The West African country's president, Teodoro Obiang Nguema, has previously said 15 men arrested in his country, who are alleged to have been in cohorts with the 70, faced capital punishment, Agence France Presse (AFP) reported.
"If we have to kill them, we will kill them," said Obiang, whose 25-year rule was allegedly to have been ended by the groups in a coup.
The 70 men were all travelling on South African passports when they were arrested in Harare on March 7.
They deny they were involved in a plot to overthrow Obiang and take control of his oil-rich nation, allegedly ahead of the reinstatement of Francisco Macias Nguema, who was deposed in a coup by Obiang in the late 70s. They claimed they were on their way to the Democratic Republic of Congo to guard diamond mines.
Face trial in Equatorial Guinea
Foreign affairs spokesperson Ronnie Mamoepa said the government could not comment further on the matter at this stage.
The AFP report quoted an unnamed official who confirmed that Zimbabwean President Robert Mugabe had has agreed to hand the men over to Equatorial Guinea.
The decision was taken following talks between Mugabe and Obiang in Zimbabwe's second city of Bulawayo.
"The president agreed to extradite the 70 mercenaries so that they could go and face trial in Equatorial Guinea," the official, anonymous on request, said.
The foreign affairs department said both Zimbabwe and Equatorial Guinea were sovereign states with the necessary legal capacity to take legal decisions regarding matters affecting their states.
Zimbabwe and Equatorial Guinea were parties to the Organisation of African Union's Convention for the Elimination of Mercenarism in Africa, which demands that the signatories extradite, or punish on their own soil, those who committed mercenary acts in the member countries.
29/04/2004 21:56 - (SA)
Johannesburg - The South African government will not intervene in Zimbabwe's extradition of a 70-strong alleged mercenary group, including 20 South Africans, to Equatorial Guinea, the foreign affairs department said on Thursday.
"There is no legal basis for South Africa to demand that its nationals should not be extradited to another country," the department said in a statement.
However, the government would continue to offer consular services to the men.
The West African country's president, Teodoro Obiang Nguema, has previously said 15 men arrested in his country, who are alleged to have been in cohorts with the 70, faced capital punishment, Agence France Presse (AFP) reported.
"If we have to kill them, we will kill them," said Obiang, whose 25-year rule was allegedly to have been ended by the groups in a coup.
The 70 men were all travelling on South African passports when they were arrested in Harare on March 7.
They deny they were involved in a plot to overthrow Obiang and take control of his oil-rich nation, allegedly ahead of the reinstatement of Francisco Macias Nguema, who was deposed in a coup by Obiang in the late 70s. They claimed they were on their way to the Democratic Republic of Congo to guard diamond mines.
Face trial in Equatorial Guinea
Foreign affairs spokesperson Ronnie Mamoepa said the government could not comment further on the matter at this stage.
The AFP report quoted an unnamed official who confirmed that Zimbabwean President Robert Mugabe had has agreed to hand the men over to Equatorial Guinea.
The decision was taken following talks between Mugabe and Obiang in Zimbabwe's second city of Bulawayo.
"The president agreed to extradite the 70 mercenaries so that they could go and face trial in Equatorial Guinea," the official, anonymous on request, said.
The foreign affairs department said both Zimbabwe and Equatorial Guinea were sovereign states with the necessary legal capacity to take legal decisions regarding matters affecting their states.
Zimbabwe and Equatorial Guinea were parties to the Organisation of African Union's Convention for the Elimination of Mercenarism in Africa, which demands that the signatories extradite, or punish on their own soil, those who committed mercenary acts in the member countries.
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I'd still like to know why they were allowed to leave SA if the govt knew what they were allegedly up to. By knowingly allowing them to be captured in a foreign country where they face the death penalty flies in the face of the SA Constitution and is another glaring case of the govt having one set of rules for some and a quite different way of dealing with others.
I also seem to recall the SA govt refusing extradition of someone to another country on the grounds that they still enforced the death penalty and that it would have been unconstitutional. Is this just another example of their devious two faced manner of doing things?
I also seem to recall the SA govt refusing extradition of someone to another country on the grounds that they still enforced the death penalty and that it would have been unconstitutional. Is this just another example of their devious two faced manner of doing things?
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I seem to recall that the ANC were very critical of the treatment of people held in Guantanamo Bay by the US. I think here we also have a similar situation and nothing is being done. Blatant and nausiating hypocracy.
For SA to do nothing when these men face the death penalty if found guilty by a kangaroo court stinks to high heaven.
For SA to do nothing when these men face the death penalty if found guilty by a kangaroo court stinks to high heaven.
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Just a thought:
You are a train / bus driver (the one that goes on the road!). You transport a person to a location, thinking they had a legitimate reason for going there. It then transpires that the person committed an offence at that location.
You don't see them prosecuting the driver, do you?
You are a train / bus driver (the one that goes on the road!). You transport a person to a location, thinking they had a legitimate reason for going there. It then transpires that the person committed an offence at that location.
You don't see them prosecuting the driver, do you?