ZIMbobWE seizes US cargo Plane and Mercenaries
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The only way these guys cold have got weapons in Zim would be from the ruling terrorists ZANU PF. If they had indeed bought weapons from the Zim Def Force they would have had a special clearance, priority treatment and probably free fuel as well.
In the DRC there is a small town called Kilwa, which is a predominantly mining town. Some locals got upset as the mine was employing staff from Lubumbashe and not Kilwa. A small dispute broke out, and quickly escalated. Aparently these "mercenaries" were on their way to this and other mines in the DRC to help out and bolster security on the mines, as well as deliver some mining equipment. Due to their detention and non arrival in the DRC, a local war actually broke out in Kilwa and its surrounds about 10 days ago. 3 days after the "mercs" were supposed to arrive to help calm things down.
This is apparently the "true story". These guys were linked to the Equatorial Guinea 15 by some imaginitive Mugarbage spinner. No where has any link been found or reported between the 2 groups of people.
It seems uncle Bob now has even more deaths on his hands. Those of the mine workers in Kilwa.
More support for the brave MDC opposition who face so much to try and rid Zim of the Dictator.
In the DRC there is a small town called Kilwa, which is a predominantly mining town. Some locals got upset as the mine was employing staff from Lubumbashe and not Kilwa. A small dispute broke out, and quickly escalated. Aparently these "mercenaries" were on their way to this and other mines in the DRC to help out and bolster security on the mines, as well as deliver some mining equipment. Due to their detention and non arrival in the DRC, a local war actually broke out in Kilwa and its surrounds about 10 days ago. 3 days after the "mercs" were supposed to arrive to help calm things down.
This is apparently the "true story". These guys were linked to the Equatorial Guinea 15 by some imaginitive Mugarbage spinner. No where has any link been found or reported between the 2 groups of people.
It seems uncle Bob now has even more deaths on his hands. Those of the mine workers in Kilwa.
More support for the brave MDC opposition who face so much to try and rid Zim of the Dictator.
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SA asked to help 'coup' men
25/03/2004 22:13 - (SA)
Erika Gibson
Pretoria - The families of the seven South Africans held for more than two weeks in Equatorial Guinea have asked the South African government to intervene and have the men extradited.
The men are accused of hatching a coup attempt in the central African country.
Dries Coetzee, who acts as co-ordinator of the families, said such an extradition process was long and protracted.
The prerequisite was that South Africa and the particular country had, or introduced, an extradition agreement.
This is apparently one of the aspects investigated by a South African delegation that recently visited the men, .
Coetzee said the South African government was also asked to make regular consular visits to the men to ensure they were being held in acceptable conditions.
Coetzee said: "Third, we asked for permission and assistance to visit the men on behalf of the families.
"We are now waiting for various departments that are involved in the extradition request to come back to us.
Families want regular information
"Since the delegation visited the country, we have had no information about the men. We are standing still.
"The first thing we want to get going is to provide the families with regular information about the men."
Nick du Toit, Bone Boonzaaier, Mark Schmidt, José Domingo, Sergio Cardoso, Abel Augusto and George Alerson were arrested more than two weeks ago, shortly before 70 alleged mercenaries were arrested and their plane grounded at Zimbabwe Airport.
Du Toit's group, which included 13 foreigners as well, were accused of planning to overthrow the government of President Obiang Nguema and take him to Spain.
The ousted Equatorial Guinean opposition leader, Severo Moto, who lived in Spain, was apparently supposed to be appointed as his successor.
Amnesty International calling for action
One of the foreigners, a German known as Gerhard Eugen Nershz, died a week ago, either from cerebral malaria or torture.
Meanwhile, Amnesty International is encouraging people worldwide to direct requests in writing to Nguema and his cabinet about claims that the men in prison are being tortured.
Amnesty said people should ask the EG government to improve the terrible conditions in the prison and to stop the apparent torture.
The organisation also calls for an independent investigation into Nershz's death and that, if someone is found to be responsible for his death, this person be prosecuted.
Send e-mail to [email protected]
Edited by Iaine
25/03/2004 22:13 - (SA)
Erika Gibson
Pretoria - The families of the seven South Africans held for more than two weeks in Equatorial Guinea have asked the South African government to intervene and have the men extradited.
The men are accused of hatching a coup attempt in the central African country.
Dries Coetzee, who acts as co-ordinator of the families, said such an extradition process was long and protracted.
The prerequisite was that South Africa and the particular country had, or introduced, an extradition agreement.
This is apparently one of the aspects investigated by a South African delegation that recently visited the men, .
Coetzee said the South African government was also asked to make regular consular visits to the men to ensure they were being held in acceptable conditions.
Coetzee said: "Third, we asked for permission and assistance to visit the men on behalf of the families.
"We are now waiting for various departments that are involved in the extradition request to come back to us.
Families want regular information
"Since the delegation visited the country, we have had no information about the men. We are standing still.
"The first thing we want to get going is to provide the families with regular information about the men."
Nick du Toit, Bone Boonzaaier, Mark Schmidt, José Domingo, Sergio Cardoso, Abel Augusto and George Alerson were arrested more than two weeks ago, shortly before 70 alleged mercenaries were arrested and their plane grounded at Zimbabwe Airport.
Du Toit's group, which included 13 foreigners as well, were accused of planning to overthrow the government of President Obiang Nguema and take him to Spain.
The ousted Equatorial Guinean opposition leader, Severo Moto, who lived in Spain, was apparently supposed to be appointed as his successor.
Amnesty International calling for action
One of the foreigners, a German known as Gerhard Eugen Nershz, died a week ago, either from cerebral malaria or torture.
Meanwhile, Amnesty International is encouraging people worldwide to direct requests in writing to Nguema and his cabinet about claims that the men in prison are being tortured.
Amnesty said people should ask the EG government to improve the terrible conditions in the prison and to stop the apparent torture.
The organisation also calls for an independent investigation into Nershz's death and that, if someone is found to be responsible for his death, this person be prosecuted.
Send e-mail to [email protected]
Edited by Iaine
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From IOL
Zimbabwean armament officials have been arrested in secret for collaboration with the band of alleged mercenaries being held in Harare.
The officials agreed to sell arms to the men in a bid to get access to scarce foreign currency and boost Zimbabwe's arms parastatal's business, security sources have revealed.
A Zimbabwean criminal investigation official has confirmed that three Zimbabwean Defence Industries (ZDI) officials have been held secretly here over their involvement with the deal with the "mercenaries".
While the group of 70, made up mostly of South Africans, appeared in a makeshift court in Chikurubi Maximum Prison this week, there was no word or sign of ZDI officials. The state has charged the alleged mercenaries with buying arms from ZDI and having made an initial payout of $90 000 (about R630 000) as an upfront transaction for the balance of $180 000 for armaments.
The investigating officer refused to disclose the progress and details of charges brought against ZDI officials who were involved in the deal.
The deal involved buying arms that included 61 AK-47 assault rifles, 45 000 rounds of ammunition, 100 rocket propelled grenade launchers and 20 light machine guns.
A diplomatic source said the ZDI had no business in selling arms to individual private citizens. "It should be selling arms to the government and in terms of prescribed rules and laws. It's like (in South Africa) Denel cannot sell (arms) to individuals or governments that are involved in conflict.
"We are worried about ZDI's conduct that it has intended to sell arms to these individuals.
"The fact that they had met (alleged mercenary leader Simon) Mann and concluded the deal leaves much to be desired."
The officials agreed to sell arms to the men in a bid to get access to scarce foreign currency and boost Zimbabwe's arms parastatal's business, security sources have revealed.
A Zimbabwean criminal investigation official has confirmed that three Zimbabwean Defence Industries (ZDI) officials have been held secretly here over their involvement with the deal with the "mercenaries".
While the group of 70, made up mostly of South Africans, appeared in a makeshift court in Chikurubi Maximum Prison this week, there was no word or sign of ZDI officials. The state has charged the alleged mercenaries with buying arms from ZDI and having made an initial payout of $90 000 (about R630 000) as an upfront transaction for the balance of $180 000 for armaments.
The investigating officer refused to disclose the progress and details of charges brought against ZDI officials who were involved in the deal.
The deal involved buying arms that included 61 AK-47 assault rifles, 45 000 rounds of ammunition, 100 rocket propelled grenade launchers and 20 light machine guns.
A diplomatic source said the ZDI had no business in selling arms to individual private citizens. "It should be selling arms to the government and in terms of prescribed rules and laws. It's like (in South Africa) Denel cannot sell (arms) to individuals or governments that are involved in conflict.
"We are worried about ZDI's conduct that it has intended to sell arms to these individuals.
"The fact that they had met (alleged mercenary leader Simon) Mann and concluded the deal leaves much to be desired."
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Bringing back to the top..
Iv'e brought this thread back to the front page because it's not over yet and I think these guys are going to need our support, in any small way..
Thanks..
R
Thanks..
R
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Rhodie - Good one.
There's been nothing in the mainstream UK press. All gone (suspiciously) quiet on this one. HM Govt. isn't known for its assistance of foreign types in trouble in Africa (viz. current Rwanda anniversary) but with someone as Establishment as SM one would have expected a bit more help - although that may of course be happening and be the reason fot the current quietitude.
PSP
There's been nothing in the mainstream UK press. All gone (suspiciously) quiet on this one. HM Govt. isn't known for its assistance of foreign types in trouble in Africa (viz. current Rwanda anniversary) but with someone as Establishment as SM one would have expected a bit more help - although that may of course be happening and be the reason fot the current quietitude.
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Wouldn't get your hopes up on that one.
It was a UK govenment that sold out the Rhodesians (salt of the earth) in 1980. The whole country, not just a plane load of secuity personal.
Thats the reason it's in such a bloody state today.
It was a UK govenment that sold out the Rhodesians (salt of the earth) in 1980. The whole country, not just a plane load of secuity personal.
Thats the reason it's in such a bloody state today.
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Thanks PSP and Roger that, DA...
DA, have a look at the Campfire - you will see (if you don't mind the cry), where it's now going with South West, thanks to the rest of the world interfering....
Bert - got the mail.. I know I may be hoping, but let's give it a bash anyway...
Cheers
R
[Took out the personal info - names could cause problems..... R]
DA, have a look at the Campfire - you will see (if you don't mind the cry), where it's now going with South West, thanks to the rest of the world interfering....
Bert - got the mail.. I know I may be hoping, but let's give it a bash anyway...
Cheers
R
[Took out the personal info - names could cause problems..... R]
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Rhodie :
Iv'e brought this thread back to the front page because it's not over yet and I think these guys are going to need our support, in any small way..
Thanks..
R
Iv'e brought this thread back to the front page because it's not over yet and I think these guys are going to need our support, in any small way..
Thanks..
R
What the guys need right now is your Prayers for a "fair trail".
They are in "court" tomorrow and their main wish is to return to SA and face the court / scorpions there.
They acknowledge they made mistakes but would like to be trailed in their own country.
Is that asking for a lot ?
Rumour has it between themselves that the case is going to be postponed till December !!
I really hope not - as the political play ball would have been sucked up by then !
Please pray for them - especially re tomorrow's outcome.
Tx and cheers,
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Quo Vadis?
Guys, check out this website:
http://eud-international.org/
It has a lot of interesting gen on the case. Just wonder who was sitting in the bushes watching the aircraft taxy from one side of Harare to the other? Seems like very accurate information for something which is "just supposed to be commentary"!!
Furthermore:
1. If the yanks were involved, they won't give a damn now, got too much on their plates with Iraq and electing a new leader.
2. Ditto for the poms, immigration deals are now their issue, (oh, and of course, Beckham's antics are more interesting!)
3. Spanish help, sorry, the new government is not sympathetic, the new guy is pulling Spanish troops out of Iraq, remember. (He doesn't want to rock the boat, see!)
4. As for good old RSA, they couldn't give a flying sh1t for a bunch of white honkeys and some ex 32Bn Angolan blacks, they'd be only too happy to be rid of them!
Besides, they'd rather support Aristide, or any other cannibalistic despot, preferably one who has been mishandled by the Devil White Slavemasters of the very distant past.
So, from whence will their help now come??
http://eud-international.org/
It has a lot of interesting gen on the case. Just wonder who was sitting in the bushes watching the aircraft taxy from one side of Harare to the other? Seems like very accurate information for something which is "just supposed to be commentary"!!
Furthermore:
1. If the yanks were involved, they won't give a damn now, got too much on their plates with Iraq and electing a new leader.
2. Ditto for the poms, immigration deals are now their issue, (oh, and of course, Beckham's antics are more interesting!)
3. Spanish help, sorry, the new government is not sympathetic, the new guy is pulling Spanish troops out of Iraq, remember. (He doesn't want to rock the boat, see!)
4. As for good old RSA, they couldn't give a flying sh1t for a bunch of white honkeys and some ex 32Bn Angolan blacks, they'd be only too happy to be rid of them!
Besides, they'd rather support Aristide, or any other cannibalistic despot, preferably one who has been mishandled by the Devil White Slavemasters of the very distant past.
So, from whence will their help now come??
What an interesting read. Better watch your back racer. The unintelligence agencys of RSA,ZIM and EG might be after you for showing us the truth. Its also great how the world is helping out in this situation by doing sweet FA.
Hope some1 can rescue those guys cause there will be no such thing as a fair trial if they are still alive by the time that a trial in convened.
Hope some1 can rescue those guys cause there will be no such thing as a fair trial if they are still alive by the time that a trial in convened.
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Roger that Gunnss, and thanks for the support..
DR - interesting read..!
As Douglas Racer states - the rest of the world doesn't seem to care a rat's @ss about the guys being detained. What happened to the rule of law and the right to a fair trial - it seems, in Africa, that any trumped up evidence (Bolt cutters et al ) can suffice as proof of guilt..
What about the aircrew - why no answer on them.? They have not been classed as "mercenaries" and yet they are still being detained..
I don't know what I can do alone, but I will do what I can..
Sorry, maybe not alone, given the support on this thread - thanks all, again.
R
DR - interesting read..!
As Douglas Racer states - the rest of the world doesn't seem to care a rat's @ss about the guys being detained. What happened to the rule of law and the right to a fair trial - it seems, in Africa, that any trumped up evidence (Bolt cutters et al ) can suffice as proof of guilt..
What about the aircrew - why no answer on them.? They have not been classed as "mercenaries" and yet they are still being detained..
I don't know what I can do alone, but I will do what I can..
Sorry, maybe not alone, given the support on this thread - thanks all, again.
R
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GRAPEVINE RUMOURS
Heard through the grapevine that SA's Nskosana Zuma will intervene after the elections, maybe they do'nt want to upste the apple cart during the happy, happy holidays.
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I really do hope that these guys will know their fate soon. Sitting in anticipation waiting, is a killer, and all the uncertainties that goes along with it. My thoughts are most certainly with the guys and their families. Good luck fellas.
Any news on the outcome of Tuesday's hearing?
Any news on the outcome of Tuesday's hearing?
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Sam6, what an arrogant, uncalled for statement!
Do you know these guys? Have you ever been in service my man?
Its all OK for you to sit there and be judgemental. Do you know anything about cameraderie? Its c..
ts like you who have nothing to do but slate others that makes me wanna puke.....all over you...
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About what one would expect from the supporters of the current racist regime in SA. Seems Mad Bob can do no wrong in their eyes.
shame6, ever heard of innocent until proven guilty or doesn't that work in your new people's free worker's paradise kleptocracy? The few small concessions made to human rights by the new oppressors are overshadowed by their covert activities passing draconian new anti privacy and private ownership laws. We're not more than five years away from being another basket case like Zim.
Before you work yourself into a lather please tell me why no heed was paid to the rights of those people to be tried in SA if the evidence was so clear to the authorities but rather to allow them to be detained in a country where the rule of law is marginal at best and where trumped up evidence is regarded as the norm.
shame6, ever heard of innocent until proven guilty or doesn't that work in your new people's free worker's paradise kleptocracy? The few small concessions made to human rights by the new oppressors are overshadowed by their covert activities passing draconian new anti privacy and private ownership laws. We're not more than five years away from being another basket case like Zim.
Before you work yourself into a lather please tell me why no heed was paid to the rights of those people to be tried in SA if the evidence was so clear to the authorities but rather to allow them to be detained in a country where the rule of law is marginal at best and where trumped up evidence is regarded as the norm.