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DaveReidUK 9th Aug 2019 20:12

Link to report on today's court appearance: Emiliano Sala: Pair admit accessing post-mortem CCTV

Fly Aiprt 9th Aug 2019 20:27

Those persons are the first to appear in court.
There seems to be a loud silence concerning the rest of the people involved directly or not in the footballer's death.
Those who commissioned the flight, the aircraft broker who even lent his credit card to the pilot.
Hard to believe how a parachute dropping pilot, only involved in a few illegal air-taxi operations, could be considered even remotely qualified for air charter transport of a VIP.
Obviously the aircraft broker contacted the pilot, and knew everything about his qualifications and recency on the aircraft...

Forfoxake 14th Aug 2019 14:13

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-49345186

switch_on_lofty 14th Aug 2019 14:14

AAIB second special report published
https://www.gov.uk/aaib-reports/aaib...-malibu-n264db
Sala's blood contained Carbon Monoxide at over 50%, which is considered a potentially fatal dose.

Nige321 14th Aug 2019 14:15

Well this puts a new perspective on things...
Possibly fatal levels of Carbon Monoxide...
AAIB


Toxicology tests on the blood of the passenger showed a carboxyhaemoglobin (COHb) saturation level of 58%.
COHb is the combination product of carbon monoxide (CO) with haemoglobin, the oxygen-carrying protein molecule contained in red blood cells.
CO is a colourless, odourless gas produced from the incomplete combustion of carbon-containing materials.
It readily combines with haemoglobin in the blood, decreasing the carriage of oxygen and causing a direct effect on the performance of those parts of the body which rely on oxygen for proper function.
A COHb level of 50% or above in an otherwise healthy individual is generally considered to be potentially fatal.
In this type of aircraft, the cockpit is not separated from the cabin2 and it is considered likely that the pilot would also have been affected to some extent by exposure to CO

BFM 14th Aug 2019 14:20


Originally Posted by switch_on_lofty (Post 10544878)
AAIB second special report published
Sala's blood contained Carbon Monoxide at over 50%, which is considered a potentially fatal dose.

That changes things somewhat - 50% is well over the fatal concentration. Carbon monoxide is a byproduct of incomplete combustion, so that is most likely to be either exhaust leakage into the cabin or a fire. This might throw a new light on the strange behaviour of the plane in the last few minutes of flight if the pilot was also being overcome by fumes.

freshgasflow 14th Aug 2019 14:23

Sala 'exposed to carbon monoxide in plane crash'
 
Footballer Emiliano Sala, who died in a plane crash over the English Channel, had been exposed to high levels of carbon monoxide, a report has revealed.

Sala and pilot David Ibbotson, crashed on 21 January when travelling to Cardiff from the French city of Nantes.

The Air Accidents Investigation Branch (AAIB) said in a report that toxicology tests found a high saturation level of carbon monoxide in Sala's blood.

Mr Ibbotson, from Crowle, Lincolnshire, has still not been found.

But it is likely he would also have been exposed to carbon monoxide, the report added.


[https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-49345186

bluepilot 14th Aug 2019 14:24

Emiliano Sala exposed to harmful levels of carbon monoxide on board aircraft
 
Brings a whole different slant to the investigation!

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknew...cid=spartanntp

freshgasflow 14th Aug 2019 14:26

If I remember right, there is some questions about the pilots competency / legality of caring fare paying passenger. But does this finding mean that aircraft was at fault rather than the pilot ? I presume small or any aircraft don't have carbon monoxide alarms ?

DaveReidUK 14th Aug 2019 14:35


Originally Posted by freshgasflow (Post 10544888)
The Air Accidents Investigation Branch (AAIB) said in a report that toxicology tests found a high saturation level of carbon monoxide in Sala's blood.

Higher than the level generally considered to be potentially fatal, in fact.

Given the layout of the Malibu, it's likely that the pilot was similarly affected to at least some extent.

Pilot DAR 14th Aug 2019 14:36

CO exposure could certainly affect pilot performance and judgement. A long time ago I was the passenger in a C150 which was later found to have a faulty muffler. I have no recollection of the pilot landing the plane, I recall riding in the right seat, and then waking up lying in the grass under the wing after we landed. The pilot said I had turned very red, and began to loose consciousness, so he landed back. Darned luck thing he did, as he was being affected too, just not as fast as I was. The certification requirement for the Piper Malibu would require that the CO concentration in the cabin air not exceed 50 PPM in flight.

atakacs 14th Aug 2019 14:37

Wow this is a major development. I guess they will have to dig out the aircraft next...

Water pilot 14th Aug 2019 15:19

Alarms are not expensive at all, they should be required equipment. In my state (Washington) all bedrooms are required to have both smoke and CO alarms and many companies make combination alarms. They are available in AC, DC, or battery powered, some with 20 year batteries. Unfortunately I have not found any DC alarms that would announce "Carbon Monoxide alert" in English, yet another high pitched beep that you have to figure out is not as useful as I would like, but better than nothing.

S-Works 14th Aug 2019 15:23

Interestingly I suspect this digs an even deeper hole for the “Aircraft Manager”.............

Camargue 14th Aug 2019 15:23

a spot on a card. in the dark? that will work well! so whilst the findings dont exonerate the legality of the flight, loss of capacity does go some WAY explain the crash

MPN11 14th Aug 2019 15:45


Originally Posted by Camargue (Post 10544948)
a spot on a card. in the dark? that will work well! so whilst the findings dont exonerate the legality of the flight, loss of capacity does go some WAY explain the crash

Perfect storm, I would say. Under-qualified pilot affected by CO = doomed.

I will leave it to wiser heads to comment on the possible cause (maintenance?), and the frequency of such occurrences.

runway30 14th Aug 2019 15:52

If the illegal act wasn’t the cause of death then that gets him off the hook

cats_five 14th Aug 2019 16:15


Originally Posted by Water pilot (Post 10544942)
Alarms are not expensive at all, they should be required equipment. In my state (Washington) all bedrooms are required to have both smoke and CO alarms and many companies make combination alarms. They are available in AC, DC, or battery powered, some with 20 year batteries. Unfortunately I have not found any DC alarms that would announce "Carbon Monoxide alert" in English, yet another high pitched beep that you have to figure out is not as useful as I would like, but better than nothing.

In the UK, it's easy to buy a domestic battery-powered CO detector. I'm guessing those would work just fine in a cockpit.

pzu 14th Aug 2019 16:22

Recently on Discovery? Here in UK
 
Ironically - Discovery ran this a couple of nights back

https://www.adn.com/aviation/article...sh/2016/03/16/

PZU - Out of Africa (Retired)

BFM 14th Aug 2019 16:51


Originally Posted by Jonzarno (Post 10544921)


Another point is that CO poisoning is much less likely if the engine is being run lean of peak as that allows complete combustion of the fuel so that CO is not produced.

Please do not believe this, as it is NOT true. All internal combustion engines produce carbon monoxide. Indeed, all naked flames wil produce small amounts - it's an inescapable fact of combustion. The problem with carbon monoxide is that when breathed in it avidly attaches to haemoglobin as it appears just like oxygen to the haem moeity. Unfortunately, unlike oxygen which floats off readily, once attached the carbon monoxide is very difficult to remove, typically taking 4 hours in air to dissociate. Thus small concentrations in air gradually accumulate to much higher concentrations in the bloodstream. Once the carbon monoxide is there it prevents oxygen now being transported round the body and this will lead to headaches, nausea, vomiting, fitting and death.

I repeat. All internal combustion produces carbon monoxide which is lethal. Please do not suggest anything different.


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