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Chronus 10th Jun 2019 20:29

An article was published in the Guardian.

"Cardiff chairman criticises ‘shoddy behaviour’ of Willie McKay in Sala deal"

It is the comments of the Cardiff Chairman, Mehmet Dalman.
Here is a quote from that article:

"Dalman was particularly critical of Willie McKay, who played a key role in Sala’s transfer from Nantes to Cardiff, including arranging a private flight that crashed into the Channel, even though he was not a licensed agent and was acting on behalf of his son Mark."

The full text is at : https://www.theguardian.com/football...alman-chairman

Mike Flynn 10th Jun 2019 21:06

This quote underlines what has been happening for a long time.

McKay said he had been acting in good faith by helping his son with the Sala transfer. He also pointed out that he had arranged the flight through the same man who had been helping him book flights for more than a decade.

Chronus 12th Jun 2019 20:14

Interesting term " acting in good faith ". It is the sort of term found in legal language, not one for the common folk used in everyday language. For example, just to illustrate the point, surely it is not the sort of thing one would spill out given the misfortune of a visitation by the Mrs. whilst in the act of fumbling to do up the brassiere of the maid in the milking parlour, with breeches riding at half mast. Would that not be analogous to crying after spilt milk. Unless of course one happens to be a lawyer who is well able to maintain equanimity and stiff.. upper lip, under the most severe circumstances. So translating this to language spoken by a non-lawyer, it would be, look mate I am telling you, honest mate, I done it sort of a favour, helping me kid like, kinda like giving him a hand with the job so to speak, if you like, if you see what I mean. I`d done it sort of more than ten years, if you see what I mean.

Nevertheless, presently it is intermission time. Second Act will commence after AAIB release the accident report.I expect that`s when actors wearing their gowns and wigs will be on the stage and give us all a much better performance as to meaning of "good faith". I wait with great anticipation to hear what that may be.

Aso 13th Jun 2019 12:26

Any timeline on the AAIB investigations?

Olympia463 13th Jun 2019 15:12

AAIB
 
How long is a piece of string? As an avid consumer of AAIB reports for 20+ years I think we may hear quite soon, as there is so little to say. 'CFIT when dis-oriented in IMC'. There are no black boxes, no flight plans that mean anything, no radio messages of any use either. AAIB don't seem to want to see the wreckage either. Mr Sala was not happy about some aspects of the flight, but what did he know about flying?

The major interests in this one are the legal aspects of this flight and these have been examined ad nauseam here, but again this is a pilots forum and we are not legal eagles. M'learned friends are going to have a field day, but the fine detail probably will not get reported on here.

WHBM 13th Jun 2019 17:24

It was notable that in the D-Day parachute re-enaction, which included two aircraft carrying the British Army Red Devils parachute display team, both of their two civilian aircraft (a Beech 99 and a Cessna Caravan) were USA registered, although based in the UK, and thus presumably were compliant with FAA regs rather than UK ones.

If it's good enough for the UK government ....

Chronus 13th Jun 2019 20:43


Originally Posted by Olympia463 (Post 10492933)
How long is a piece of string? As an avid consumer of AAIB reports for 20+ years I think we may hear quite soon, as there is so little to say. 'CFIT when dis-oriented in IMC'. There are no black boxes, no flight plans that mean anything, no radio messages of any use either. AAIB don't seem to want to see the wreckage either. Mr Sala was not happy about some aspects of the flight, but what did he know about flying?

The major interests in this one are the legal aspects of this flight and these have been examined ad nauseam here, but again this is a pilots forum and we are not legal eagles. M'learned friends are going to have a field day, but the fine detail probably will not get reported on here.

Am afraid could not disagree more with the second paragraph above. It is precisely because PPRUNE IS a forum of discussion that incidents such as this must not be just of interest, but moreover it must be of grave concern to those who subscribe to it.
The consequences of our judgment, individual and at times collective, is put to the test by the judiciary. That test will involve examination as thorough, intensive and fine detail as a electron microscope may provide. From that we then also learn a valuable lesson. From that we learn of other`s errors, mistakes, lack of and/or poor judgment. And those who have an affinity for learning, there is therefore every hope that similar failings will not re occur. So this forum does provide that essential medium to those of us who seek to continue to learn.

S-Works 14th Jun 2019 18:52


Originally Posted by WHBM (Post 10493039)
It was notable that in the D-Day parachute re-enaction, which included two aircraft carrying the British Army Red Devils parachute display team, both of their two civilian aircraft (a Beech 99 and a Cessna Caravan) were USA registered, although based in the UK, and thus presumably were compliant with FAA regs rather than UK ones.

If it's good enough for the UK government ....

They are also fully compliant with Uk regulations and operate under the direct authority of the UK CAA for parachute operations. No grey areas at all.

Ccfc support 19th Jun 2019 18:36

Man arrested from North Yorkshire
 
64 year old man arrested on suspicion of manslaughter today, breaking across all news outlets

MH1927 19th Jun 2019 18:41

Detectives investigating the death of professional footballer Emiliano Sala have confirmed that a man has been arrested on suspicion of manslaughter by an unlawful act.

https://www.dorset.police.uk/news-in...n/article/7809

treadigraph 19th Jun 2019 20:18

Emiliano Sala: Manslaughter arrest over footballer's death

"Det Insp Huxter urged people not to speculate about the identity of the man as it could hinder the investigation."

paperHanger 20th Jun 2019 00:52

Sala manslaughter arrest
 
Looks like they have arrested *someone* in connection with the Sala crash ... a 64 yr old from North Yorkshire. Probably not Willie McKay the "football agent", as he is 60 and from Monaco ... maybe David Henderson?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-48694561

martinebrangan 20th Jun 2019 01:30

David Henderson Arrested
 
[QUOTE=paperHanger;10498160]Looks like they have arrested *someone* in connection with the Sala crash ... a 64 yr old from North Yorkshire. Probably not Willie McKay the "football agent", as he is 60 and from Monaco ... maybe David Henderson?


Apparently it is indeed David Henderson, according to Daily Mail.


knightflight 20th Jun 2019 02:28

Yep the times.co.uk are also reporting this... 64yr old man so it has to be him who organised mr ibbotson to fly the plane to taxi sala.

Always wondered why henderson was so quiet regarding the tragic accident.

YRP 20th Jun 2019 04:30

[QUOTE=martinebrangan;10498177]

Originally Posted by paperHanger (Post 10498160)
Looks like they have arrested *someone* in connection with the Sala crash ... a 64 yr old from North Yorkshire. Probably not Willie McKay the "football agent", as he is 60 and from Monaco ... maybe David Henderson?


Apparently it is indeed David Henderson, according to Daily Mail.

So for those not in the know, can you enlighten us? Who is David Henderson?

knightflight 20th Jun 2019 04:54

[QUOTE=YRP;10498222]

Originally Posted by martinebrangan (Post 10498177)


So for those not in the know, can you enlighten us? Who is David Henderson?

David henderson was the pilot who arranged David ibbotson to fly the plane, last minute stuff and was supposed to be mr henderson that piloted the plane and not the missing pilot.


Arkroyal 20th Jun 2019 05:43

YRP

go back through this thread. All will become clear.

PDR1 20th Jun 2019 07:06

The headline article in the Times seems to contradict itself. In the 4th para it describes Henderson as a "private pilot", but in the 10th it describes him as an "experienced commercial pilot". Is this saying he is a lapsed CPL who has dropped down to PPL, or is it just wrong?

PDR

jumpseater 20th Jun 2019 09:04

I think it’s as simple as he’s a private pilot, with a current commercial rating. This means he can fly for hire and reward when contracted/required to do so, eg ferrying aircraft.

DC3 Dave 20th Jun 2019 09:25

If you search for Dave Henderson pilot you will find a BBC piece "My life as a ferry pilot"

Note the aircraft. The opening sentence says it all.

Sorry, link doesn't seem to work.


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