Originally Posted by newfoundglory (Post 10545284)

I am currently doing the PPL, and very recently read in ground material about the possibility of fumes and/or CO entering the cockpit.

I had felt this was perhaps an exaggeration in the written material, after all, I can't ever recall ever seeing this before and was even further shocked to see this in the news today.

What do I need to do? I don't remember seeing carbon monoxide detector on the student required items for purchase list.....

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Originally Posted by Auxtank (Post 10545298)

You're missing the point by a mile - there is no pilot identification of CO poisoning to self - just a gradual loss of SA, and then unconsciousness and then seizure followed by heart failure.
You don't get "Heads Up" clues along the way.

Originally Posted by WHBM (Post 10545361)

Don't you have a detector on your own aircraft ?

Originally Posted by Auxtank (Post 10545115)

Very nearly 100 pages of this thread and no-one saw that coming.

Originally Posted by positiverate20 (Post 10545429)

Ok, just to stoke the fire...
In light of the CO reading, why has nobody speculated that this may have been a controlled descent/ controlled ditching?

Crash landing in water makes blunt force tramua- fact.
Crash landing causes fire- fact.
Fire makes CO- fact.

Could this have been an attempted ditching gone wrong... or right...
Hard landing causes injuries & possible unconsciousness, meanwhile fire consumes aircraft and CO enters bloodstream.

Originally Posted by PDR1 (Post 10545536)

An aeroplane is "consumed by fire" while sinking in the sea, and leaving no signs of fire damage in the wreckage?

Yes, obviously that's what happened. I'm stunned that no one has seen this before...

PDR

Originally Posted by Edward Teach (Post 10545594)

I wonder if Sala was seated with his seat harness/strap securely fastened?

Originally Posted by GeeRam (Post 10545656)

Err, his body was found in the wreckage, still strapped into the seat.

Originally Posted by BigEndBob (Post 10545306)

Lets face it CO from the exhaust would probably include all the other horrible stuff that stinks.
Even a miss placed crank case vent put fumes in the cockpit that made me feel ill.

Originally Posted by Edward Teach (Post 10545669)

Where have you read that? The BBC? Who also confirmed N264DB was a turboprop!

The official releases from the AAIB state that there was one body present in the wreckage. They make no mention of the body being strapped into the seat.
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....a1ad9bd727.jpg

Originally Posted by Edward Teach (Post 10545594)

PDR ....Funnily enough they were my thoughts exactly 🤦🏻.

What a stupid post by positiverate. It's far more likely that the CO incapacitated pilot and passenger, and the blunt force trauma killed one or both of them.

I wonder if Sala was seated with his seat harness/strap securely fastened? Ibbo might even have survived the crash 🤷🏻, who knows!

Originally Posted by NutLoose (Post 10545985)

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The mystery owner of Emiliano Sala's private plane registered the aircraft in the US using a British company paid £450-a-year to help keep their identity secret, MailOnline can reveal today.

The Air Accidents Investigation Branch [AAIB], who revealed yesterday that Sala and his pilot David Ibbotson were poisoned by carbon monoxide seeping into the cabin, says its investigators have established the true identity of the UK-based owner.

But it is barred from revealing who it is because the records are held by the Federal Aviation Authority [FAA] in Washington DC whose own regulations prevent this crucial information being made public.

The FAA also chooses not to publish a plane's annual 'MOT' - known as a certificate of airworthiness - or when it is due to expire.

More than 600 UK-based plane owners have used the same loophole because aircraft registration in America is cheaper than in Britain and maintenance costs are also understood to be lower.

Airfield owner Humphrey Penney told MailOnline last night that the aircraft had 'a lot of problems' and was 'unfit to fly' in the months before it crashed in the Channel.

He also claimed that regular pilot David Henderson, who was arrested and bailed in June on suspicion of manslaughter, was 'unhappy with the maintenance' and also named 45-year-old Faye Keely, an accountant from Nottinghamshire, as the owner.




The ownership issue may prove vital to the question of who proves financially liable for the losses incurred by Cardiff City, who paid £15million for Sala.

A criminal prosecution is likely to follow the AAIB’s final report when it is published by the end of 2019.




FAA registration allows owners to protect their identity, for security or financial reasons, whereas in the UK the Civil Aviation Authority names the owner of every plane it with a UK licence.

Enquiries over the past year have centred on Faye Keely's mysterious firm Cool Flourish, listed at Companies House as a management consultancy business.

She is the company’s major shareholder and is listed by the companies register as resident at a property at Alfreton, Derbyshire, which is deserted and unfurnished.

Another director, her sister Heather Keely, 41, has also not been traced, while a mansion listed as the home of an older former director Terence Keely - believed to be their father - is also empty.

The AAIB says it cannot name the owner but a report earlier this year said the person it belonged to 'had an informal arrangement with a third party to manage the aircraft on its behalf'.

Regular pilot David Henderson was expected to fly the plane from Nantes to Cardiff on January 21 this year - but has never spoken about why he pulled out only to confirm that he was alive after the flight manifest in France allegedly named him as pilot.

He was arrested in June on suspicion of the manslaughter of Sala and his pilot David Ibbotson, 59, from Scunthorpe, who also perished in the air disaster, but remains on bail two months later.

The doomed Piper Malibu aircraft that crashed in the Channel on January 21 was registered to a small British firm called the Southern Aircraft Consultancy which charges £450 per year to hold the plane in an American trust.

The business in Bungay, Suffolk is understood to manage hundreds of aircraft registered in the same way.

Mysteriously 39-year-old aircraft's listing with the US Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) states that there were no previous owners.

And in 2015 it changed hands four times in a single day, MailOnline understands.

The British engineer who inspected the Piper Malibu aircraft in the months before the crash told MailOnline was so riddled with faults that an engineer had refused to repair it, saying: 'It was not fit to be flown.'

Details of owners of the aircraft have been shrouded in mystery.

One person who is known to have a connection to the aircraft is David Henderson - the pilot who was reportedly due to fly it but pulled out at the 11th hour.

Mr Henderson from York, was filmed by the BBC with the plane at Retford Gamston Airport in 2015 for a feature transporting small planes across continents to new owners.

Humphrey Penney, who is also a licensed engineer, was asked to give a second opinion on the stricken Piper PA-46 Malibu in summer last year and said he believes that it was unsafe.

He spoke out for the first time following yesterday's interim report published by the UK Air Accidents Investigation Branch which showed that 28-year-old Argentinian striker Sala and his pilot David Ibbotson were exposed to deadly levels of the toxic gas even before the private plane plunged into the English Channel.




Speaking exclusively to MailOnline, Mr Penney said: 'What happened it all so sad and tragic. We had deep concerns about the plane when we looked it at a year ago. We nearly took it on but didn't because there were so many problems with it.'

Mr Henderson, originally thought to be the pilot who perished on the plane, had taken it to Sandtoft Airport in Belton, North Lincolnshire, on behalf of the owner chartered accountant Faye Keely.

Sandtoft boss Mr Penney, recalling his examination of the plane, said: 'Christ, this is awful! A lot needs doing.'

He added: 'The hydraulic motor was a shambles and the flaps, autopilot and de-icing system weren't working and there were several other problems.




There was a long list of things things that needed doing and it was going to cost an awful lot of money to put it right, in the region of £14,000 to £20,000.

'It was not in a fit state to be flown for a passenger but only in an emergency a short distance for maintenance and to get it fixed.'

The American craft registered to a Trust with a beneficial British owner, Ms Keely from Bonsall, Derbyshire - a pilot herself - had come to Mr Penney for a second expert opinion from Retford Gamston Airport in Gamston, Nottinghamshire, where it had been based long term.

Mr Penney said: 'It was moved here for a relatively short period and we then sent it to another organisation for the recommended work to be done. I can't comment on what work was later done.'




The plane was moved to nearby Sturgate Airfield in Gainsborough, Lincolnshire. No one was available to comment when approached by MailOnline.

Mr Penney added: 'I cannot say if the maintenance was done thoroughly and properly and if it was all fixed but the plane would have had an annual inspection at the end of the year. If all was good and dandy the plane should have flown safely.

'I know a very large bill for over £10,000 was presented to Faye.'

Mr Penney, is now helping air investigators following the shocking crash on January 21 killing new £15 million Cardiff City striker Sala and married father Mr Ibbotson, 59, from Scunthorpe, Lincolnshire,

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