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India Four Two 1st May 2019 17:14

David,

12 Oct 2015 shows up when I go to that link.

Ironically the photo shows him standing in front of N264DB.

Chronus 1st May 2019 18:22

Some most disturbing news from the Evening Standard

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crim...-a4129691.html

Sickening is the word that comes to mind.

N707ZS 2nd May 2019 18:43

I here there's a new N- PC 12 about to join the racket.

2unlimited 3rd May 2019 20:51


Originally Posted by India Four Two (Post 10460690)
David,

12 Oct 2015 shows up when I go to that link.

Ironically the photo shows him standing in front of N264DB.

Even more ironic watching the video, where he shows the aircraft inside, and talks about issues with icing, and what to do.
Descend into warmer air.

MPN11 12th May 2019 08:42

Not exactly related, and more of an admin cock-up, but ...

https://jerseyeveningpost.com/news/2...nce-for-pilot/


Paul Holroyd (67) of Le Vieux Beaumont, St Peter, appeared in Oxford Crown Court for sentence earlier this month after he admitted not having all of the correct certifications in place.
The Islander was co-piloting a US-registered Dassault Falcon 2000EX EASy private jet – worth up to $30million – between 14 May and 27 October 2017 when he committed the offence.
Now, the Civil Aviation Authority, which prosecuted Holroyd, said that although he held a licence to fly commercially, his ‘type-rating’ – needed to fly a particular model of plane – had not been kept up to date.
A spokesman for the CAA said: ‘We are determined to take action whenever necessary to protect members of the public, including prosecuting pilots who lack the appropriate qualifications to carry out flights.

Chronus 12th May 2019 17:15


Originally Posted by MPN11 (Post 10469450)
Not exactly related, and more of an admin cock-up, but ...

https://jerseyeveningpost.com/news/2...nce-for-pilot/

That`s typical of the CAA, convict a professional pilot nearing the end of an unblemished career, for an admin oversight so as to appear to be doing something about enforcement. Easy meat, lots of records available. But where there are no records, then no action until its too late.

OvertHawk 12th May 2019 19:57


Originally Posted by Chronus (Post 10469705)
That`s typical of the CAA, convict a professional pilot nearing the end of an unblemished career, for an admin oversight so as to appear to be doing something about enforcement. Easy meat, lots of records available. But where there are no records, then no action until its too late.

Does seem like that when you see some of the things we all know are happening and that the CAA don't touch because it's too difficult - prosecuting in the above case does seem disproportionate (unless there is more to it than just overflying an LPC).

MPN11 13th May 2019 14:19

Front page headline news in today's Jersey Evening Post ...sadly not on-line [yet] so I will try to summarise:

Sala crash prompts illegal air 'taxi' warning

At least six aircraft suspected of being used to operate illegal 'taxi' flights in and out of the Channel Islands are being closely monitored by aviation authorities, the director of civil aviation has revealed.
It goes on to elaborate about the cost-sharing aspects, and 'grey charter', The head of the Channel Islands CAA said "I have been trying to terminate these illegal charters since last year and it has been brought to the fore because of the Emilio Sala incident ... It is something that is prevalent in the Island because we are limited in our air services - it has flourished."

Full article now on-line ....

https://jerseyeveningpost.com/news/2...ing-monitored/

oggers 13th May 2019 19:06


Originally Posted by Chronus (Post 10469705)
That`s typical of the CAA, convict a professional pilot nearing the end of an unblemished career, for an admin oversight so as to appear to be doing something about enforcement. Easy meat, lots of records available. But where there are no records, then no action until its too late.

He flew 64 flights over 5 1/2 months. That is not an admin oversight. He also entered a plea of guilty to forging documents. That is not an admin oversight. :ugh:

These are exactly the cases that should be prosecuted.

meleagertoo 16th May 2019 23:42


Originally Posted by oggers (Post 10470501)
He flew 64 flights over 5 1/2 months. That is not an admin oversight. He also entered a plea of guilty to forging documents. That is not an admin oversight. :ugh:

These are exactly the cases that should be prosecuted.

Hear! Hear!

Eutychus 17th May 2019 06:21

I came back to this thread to report that I just learned yesterday that my Jersey-based client has now ceased all recourse to such flights; now I know why.

ilvaporista 17th May 2019 06:47

Operator
 
Isle-Fly have been operating in and out of Jersey for a long time but lost out to the 'grey market'
lt looks like RVL chose the right time to purchase a new King Air.
New additions to the Isle-Fly fleet
How we all wish that this terrible event had never happened. Real legal alternatives have always been available.

MPN11 17th May 2019 18:42

Interesting couple of inputs ... thank you both.

I note RVL made much of their probity in that Feb 2018 notification.

Ddraig Goch 20th May 2019 05:46

BBC Wales has an investigation of the affair tonight (Monday 20th May) at 20:30.

MPN11 21st May 2019 18:54

Hmmm ... who are these people? Looks like flying an approach below minimums and ignoring ATC. Get-Home-itis with a grey charter on board? Looking forward with interest to th outcome.

https://jerseyeveningpost.com/news/2...ying-incident/

jimjim1 5th Jun 2019 16:45


Originally Posted by Ddraig Goch (Post 10475345)
BBC Wales has an investigation of the affair tonight (Monday 20th May) at 20:30.

[Edited to add - Very little aviation content.]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m0005c8d
Available until April 2020.
Emiliano Sala: A Family’s Search for Truth
The tragic death of Emiliano Sala in a plane crash touched thousands of people across the world. BBC Wales Investigates examines the circumstances of the crash.

I imagine it will be UK only but there are likely workarounds - vpn - proxy.

MrAverage 6th Jun 2019 08:35

Unfortunately BBC iplayer somehow blocks the use of VPNs from aboad............................

Capt Scribble 6th Jun 2019 12:22

There was very little about the flight, it was mainly comments by his family and friends and his football career.

runway30 6th Jun 2019 19:08


Originally Posted by Capt Scribble (Post 10487782)
There was very little about the flight, it was mainly comments by his family and friends and his football career.

I had a discussion with the Editor about it because I thought that if they were going to cover aspects of the flight they should have done a proper job or left it well alone.

matkat 7th Jun 2019 01:43

Guy's does anyone know if Paul Holroyd used to fly B757s for Flyglobespan? name is familiar.

Chronus 10th Jun 2019 19:29

An article was published in the Guardian.

"Cardiff chairman criticises ‘shoddy behaviour’ of Willie McKay in Sala deal"

It is the comments of the Cardiff Chairman, Mehmet Dalman.
Here is a quote from that article:

"Dalman was particularly critical of Willie McKay, who played a key role in Sala’s transfer from Nantes to Cardiff, including arranging a private flight that crashed into the Channel, even though he was not a licensed agent and was acting on behalf of his son Mark."

The full text is at : https://www.theguardian.com/football...alman-chairman

Mike Flynn 10th Jun 2019 20:06

This quote underlines what has been happening for a long time.

McKay said he had been acting in good faith by helping his son with the Sala transfer. He also pointed out that he had arranged the flight through the same man who had been helping him book flights for more than a decade.

Chronus 12th Jun 2019 19:14

Interesting term " acting in good faith ". It is the sort of term found in legal language, not one for the common folk used in everyday language. For example, just to illustrate the point, surely it is not the sort of thing one would spill out given the misfortune of a visitation by the Mrs. whilst in the act of fumbling to do up the brassiere of the maid in the milking parlour, with breeches riding at half mast. Would that not be analogous to crying after spilt milk. Unless of course one happens to be a lawyer who is well able to maintain equanimity and stiff.. upper lip, under the most severe circumstances. So translating this to language spoken by a non-lawyer, it would be, look mate I am telling you, honest mate, I done it sort of a favour, helping me kid like, kinda like giving him a hand with the job so to speak, if you like, if you see what I mean. I`d done it sort of more than ten years, if you see what I mean.

Nevertheless, presently it is intermission time. Second Act will commence after AAIB release the accident report.I expect that`s when actors wearing their gowns and wigs will be on the stage and give us all a much better performance as to meaning of "good faith". I wait with great anticipation to hear what that may be.

Aso 13th Jun 2019 11:26

Any timeline on the AAIB investigations?

Olympia463 13th Jun 2019 14:12

AAIB
 
How long is a piece of string? As an avid consumer of AAIB reports for 20+ years I think we may hear quite soon, as there is so little to say. 'CFIT when dis-oriented in IMC'. There are no black boxes, no flight plans that mean anything, no radio messages of any use either. AAIB don't seem to want to see the wreckage either. Mr Sala was not happy about some aspects of the flight, but what did he know about flying?

The major interests in this one are the legal aspects of this flight and these have been examined ad nauseam here, but again this is a pilots forum and we are not legal eagles. M'learned friends are going to have a field day, but the fine detail probably will not get reported on here.

WHBM 13th Jun 2019 16:24

It was notable that in the D-Day parachute re-enaction, which included two aircraft carrying the British Army Red Devils parachute display team, both of their two civilian aircraft (a Beech 99 and a Cessna Caravan) were USA registered, although based in the UK, and thus presumably were compliant with FAA regs rather than UK ones.

If it's good enough for the UK government ....

Chronus 13th Jun 2019 19:43


Originally Posted by Olympia463 (Post 10492933)
How long is a piece of string? As an avid consumer of AAIB reports for 20+ years I think we may hear quite soon, as there is so little to say. 'CFIT when dis-oriented in IMC'. There are no black boxes, no flight plans that mean anything, no radio messages of any use either. AAIB don't seem to want to see the wreckage either. Mr Sala was not happy about some aspects of the flight, but what did he know about flying?

The major interests in this one are the legal aspects of this flight and these have been examined ad nauseam here, but again this is a pilots forum and we are not legal eagles. M'learned friends are going to have a field day, but the fine detail probably will not get reported on here.

Am afraid could not disagree more with the second paragraph above. It is precisely because PPRUNE IS a forum of discussion that incidents such as this must not be just of interest, but moreover it must be of grave concern to those who subscribe to it.
The consequences of our judgment, individual and at times collective, is put to the test by the judiciary. That test will involve examination as thorough, intensive and fine detail as a electron microscope may provide. From that we then also learn a valuable lesson. From that we learn of other`s errors, mistakes, lack of and/or poor judgment. And those who have an affinity for learning, there is therefore every hope that similar failings will not re occur. So this forum does provide that essential medium to those of us who seek to continue to learn.

S-Works 14th Jun 2019 17:52


Originally Posted by WHBM (Post 10493039)
It was notable that in the D-Day parachute re-enaction, which included two aircraft carrying the British Army Red Devils parachute display team, both of their two civilian aircraft (a Beech 99 and a Cessna Caravan) were USA registered, although based in the UK, and thus presumably were compliant with FAA regs rather than UK ones.

If it's good enough for the UK government ....

They are also fully compliant with Uk regulations and operate under the direct authority of the UK CAA for parachute operations. No grey areas at all.

Ccfc support 19th Jun 2019 17:36

Man arrested from North Yorkshire
 
64 year old man arrested on suspicion of manslaughter today, breaking across all news outlets

MH1927 19th Jun 2019 17:41

Detectives investigating the death of professional footballer Emiliano Sala have confirmed that a man has been arrested on suspicion of manslaughter by an unlawful act.

https://www.dorset.police.uk/news-in...n/article/7809

treadigraph 19th Jun 2019 19:18

Emiliano Sala: Manslaughter arrest over footballer's death

"Det Insp Huxter urged people not to speculate about the identity of the man as it could hinder the investigation."

paperHanger 19th Jun 2019 23:52

Sala manslaughter arrest
 
Looks like they have arrested *someone* in connection with the Sala crash ... a 64 yr old from North Yorkshire. Probably not Willie McKay the "football agent", as he is 60 and from Monaco ... maybe David Henderson?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-48694561

martinebrangan 20th Jun 2019 00:30

David Henderson Arrested
 
[QUOTE=paperHanger;10498160]Looks like they have arrested *someone* in connection with the Sala crash ... a 64 yr old from North Yorkshire. Probably not Willie McKay the "football agent", as he is 60 and from Monaco ... maybe David Henderson?


Apparently it is indeed David Henderson, according to Daily Mail.


knightflight 20th Jun 2019 01:28

Yep the times.co.uk are also reporting this... 64yr old man so it has to be him who organised mr ibbotson to fly the plane to taxi sala.

Always wondered why henderson was so quiet regarding the tragic accident.

YRP 20th Jun 2019 03:30

[QUOTE=martinebrangan;10498177]

Originally Posted by paperHanger (Post 10498160)
Looks like they have arrested *someone* in connection with the Sala crash ... a 64 yr old from North Yorkshire. Probably not Willie McKay the "football agent", as he is 60 and from Monaco ... maybe David Henderson?


Apparently it is indeed David Henderson, according to Daily Mail.

So for those not in the know, can you enlighten us? Who is David Henderson?

knightflight 20th Jun 2019 03:54

[QUOTE=YRP;10498222]

Originally Posted by martinebrangan (Post 10498177)


So for those not in the know, can you enlighten us? Who is David Henderson?

David henderson was the pilot who arranged David ibbotson to fly the plane, last minute stuff and was supposed to be mr henderson that piloted the plane and not the missing pilot.


Arkroyal 20th Jun 2019 04:43

YRP

go back through this thread. All will become clear.

PDR1 20th Jun 2019 06:06

The headline article in the Times seems to contradict itself. In the 4th para it describes Henderson as a "private pilot", but in the 10th it describes him as an "experienced commercial pilot". Is this saying he is a lapsed CPL who has dropped down to PPL, or is it just wrong?

PDR

jumpseater 20th Jun 2019 08:04

I think it’s as simple as he’s a private pilot, with a current commercial rating. This means he can fly for hire and reward when contracted/required to do so, eg ferrying aircraft.

DC3 Dave 20th Jun 2019 08:25

If you search for Dave Henderson pilot you will find a BBC piece "My life as a ferry pilot"

Note the aircraft. The opening sentence says it all.

Sorry, link doesn't seem to work.


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