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Old 26th Mar 2013, 14:30   #41 (permalink)
 
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Rex - I wasn't specifically talking about TR costs. I'm trying to make a general point that if ANY cost is optional, Easyjet won't pay it. Whether it's right or wrong is neither here nor there. It's the way the business is run. It would appear to be a successful strategy.

PS yes the BA/IAG point was disingenuous.

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Old 26th Mar 2013, 15:33   #42 (permalink)
 
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Non type rated easyjet recruitment?

20K for a ZFT type rating seems a lot. CTC cadets only pay 10K? Is this actually permanent employment on offer or a 2 year contract?
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Old 26th Mar 2013, 15:44   #43 (permalink)
 
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It is a easyJet contract.

No one official has said 20k..
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Old 26th Mar 2013, 15:53   #44 (permalink)
 
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Is the type rating pay up front a definite, or is there the possibility for bonding or salary deduction etc.

Is there any chance of 100 percent contract or is it definitely flexi?

IF its flexi or pay up front for type rating I have zero interest.

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Old 26th Mar 2013, 16:03   #45 (permalink)
 
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This recruitment is NOT for flexi.
Yes it will be most likely 75% to start with, but you're in the company.
It is NOT pay per hour.

It is for a permanent position within easyJet, and if you're based within the UK you will be on whats called a New Entrant Contract.

As outlined before, usual stuff like pensions, sector pay, holiday pay, expenses, sick pay and a annual performance bonus of 10% after 2 years (if targets met).
Access to command / transfer lists after 6 months.

Pay is original pay scales but offered on
75% random roster basis and then you can bid for a 90% pay 5453 pattern or 100% pay random roster pattern.

There all be wrap around days off and guaranteed days off for those on random roster.

This 20k for a TR thing is only from what someone read on the CTC website.
This will be easyJet and you'll need to ask them how much it will cost and how you're going to pay for it..


It's amazing how some people just don't read the thread

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Old 26th Mar 2013, 20:37   #46 (permalink)
 
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Does anyone have any idea how long the application may be open for? I'm just shy of 1500 hours and far far from home!

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Old 26th Mar 2013, 21:59   #47 (permalink)
 
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Closes 10th April

What I find interesting is up till now most companies have only asked for type rated pilots, knowing they will get numerous applications to choose from. This seems to indicate quite clearly they do not feel they will get all their requirement from rated applicants, and if they are loosing to attrition why would they fill them with other rated people?!

I'm sure they could fill the spots with 200hr guys but then you have a big fill of the same experienced people with no one to move to rhs in 2-3 years time..

Similarly I don't believe there the number of non type rated people around who have 500hrs multi over 5700kg that either are not already employed or could afford the c20k needed for the rating... And those that do have the hours but not the rating are probably year 2-3 at somewhere like flybe who'll be on similar money probably already servicing huge debts from their training and couldn't pay the 20k anyway...

I actually think its quite a promising sign that things are finally on the move.
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Old 26th Mar 2013, 22:25   #48 (permalink)
 
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Would you effort the 20K expense if you hold more than 4000 hours on boeing jet but in a small airline facing financial troubles?

Obviously, I'm looking for other places with the type I'm currently flying but Easyjet is a great company and the attraction is really hard to avoid.
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Old 26th Mar 2013, 22:49   #49 (permalink)
 
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What I don't understand is why when they have flexi crew don't they make them permanent or is that what they plan but just on a lower contract rate?! But then why ask for non rated people?
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Old 26th Mar 2013, 22:54   #50 (permalink)
 
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They just offered all flexi crew, who meet the 2 year criteria, permanent contracts on the NEC deal, but some have turned it down as they earn more as flexi.

I think there is a need to even up the experience levels somewhat, as there is quite a big split at the moment. This allows easy to have the flexibility they require with higher experience levels.. hence the advertising for future captains I imagine.

Don't forget easyJet doesn't run on seniority and 6 months from getting your foot in the door you could start on the command process I believe.

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Old 26th Mar 2013, 23:01   #51 (permalink)
 
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My understanding is that this will NOT be a flexi contract, as the NEC is available to 2 year flexi crewers.

I imagine that if they offer fixed term it might be a seasonal contract, as other airlines have done, leading to a more permanent contract after a season or so.



We have been told as much as the advert says,
this will be recruitment for entering a hold pool for summer 2014.
Once the numbers have been finalised, offers would be made.
They estimate there will be 200 positions.

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Old 26th Mar 2013, 23:11   #52 (permalink)
 
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Anyone knows why trough the application steps it asks these 2 questions:

1 do you have an ATPL (A) (frozen) ?

2 do you have an ATPL (frozen) ?

It seems a double question unless with the second one intend helicopter chaps.
By the way as I have a full ATPL I tried to reply to both questions NO and my application was suddenly interrupted because I didn't have the required criteria!!!

Any clues???
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Old 27th Mar 2013, 09:14   #53 (permalink)
 
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Poorly worded question, probably written by a clerk/secretary who has no knowledge or interest in aviation. Probably great at HR and fluffy stuff though

Take it to read 'as a minimum', or your application will be ended prematurely at this point.
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Old 27th Mar 2013, 10:11   #54 (permalink)
 
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I have worded at easyJet for many years and can only recommend this scheme to would-be applicants. This is the first time for at least 5 years that we have recruited experienced pilots instead of endless 155 hour cadets. As others have pointed out, we could fill nearly our entire requirement from any of the following groups: low-houred cadets, type-rated Airbus pilots, non-rated turbine pilots, ex-mil pilots, current flying instructors etc. The fact we are not choosing to do so does not reflect upon those we have recruited, but does reflect our new flight ops team's desire to have a more rounded recruitment strategy. The plan has been widely welcomed by the majority of current easyJet pilots, who have ben calling for this change for many years. Like all these things, there will be winners and losers. The biggest losers are likely to be low-houred, straight from training, young cadets who are now going to find themselves at the back of a queue headed by some much more experienced pilots. I would have to say that is what it should have been years ago, and I welcome the change. That does not mean I do not value our cadets - it does mean that I welcome a wider recruitment policy.
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Old 27th Mar 2013, 10:31   #55 (permalink)
 
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1 do you have an ATPL (A) (frozen) ? Aeroplane ?

2 do you have an ATPL (frozen) ? Helicopter ?
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Old 27th Mar 2013, 10:35   #56 (permalink)
 
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I think a lot of guys/gals at Flybe and likes are prob wondering how safe their current jobs are and should they jump now or join a very long Q if or when their current outfit goes pop!.
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Old 27th Mar 2013, 10:44   #57 (permalink)
 
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This recruitment is for summer 2014. If Flybe is gonna go 'pop' it will do so before then anyway, if it is still around their turnaround plan would have worked
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Old 27th Mar 2013, 10:56   #58 (permalink)
 
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Thanks Bigbus

That is exactly what I did
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Old 27th Mar 2013, 11:02   #59 (permalink)
 
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If you current company was truly on the precipice of administration you may be tempted, but anything less would make it a difficult decision - forking out significant cash for a type rating for an (initial) seasonal contract....

I would think a fair few peeps who are in current flying employment may consider the TR cost prohibitive (and the deal in its current form)...but then again that's just an opinion. To redress the balance, I can also see potential long term benefits if luck goes your way.
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Old 27th Mar 2013, 11:22   #60 (permalink)
 
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I think it boils down to this:

easyJet seems a very secure, relatively well run airline.

If you are currently concerned about your future and want to have security and a good rating, then the gamble may be on.

If you're not bothered about either of those, or are less concerned than that, I doubt you'd bother.

But....you only have a decision to make once you get offered a job and start date. It seems these jobs are for 12 months time, so what is not to like? Apply and see how you get on. Don't over analyse the situation is my advice.
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