Non type rated easyjet recruitment?
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Non type rated easyjet recruitment?
Ok. For the fourth time:
SFO in paris
FO in italy
All permanent.
They seem to take their time though in approaching selected candidates with the offer.
I'm out of here. Don't want to repeat myself once again.
SFO in paris
FO in italy
All permanent.
They seem to take their time though in approaching selected candidates with the offer.
I'm out of here. Don't want to repeat myself once again.
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I personally think you're talking rubbish OPEN DES.
I know many people in the mix. Some exceptionally well qualified, more so than a lot of current EZY skippers. Every one without fail offered flexi.
Interestingly I received a mail when I rejected asking if I'd consider an improved offer if one became available. Nothing so far though.
I know many people in the mix. Some exceptionally well qualified, more so than a lot of current EZY skippers. Every one without fail offered flexi.
Interestingly I received a mail when I rejected asking if I'd consider an improved offer if one became available. Nothing so far though.
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Bubair, those must be people coming from current flexi crew, Not external recruits.
All new entrants to Berlin are joining as SO or FO unless they were already perm SFO elsewhere in the network prior to the new contract being signed....
All new entrants to Berlin are joining as SO or FO unless they were already perm SFO elsewhere in the network prior to the new contract being signed....
Again, and like Open Descent for the last time, those perm contracts where offered to type rated candidates (according to assessment results) who had been screened in July and ALL where external recruits.
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It is not strictly accurate what is being said here. The decision on where you get offered on the NEC scale is NOT based on how you got on during the assessment process. It is based on how many people are required and how many in a particular intake say 'Yes' or 'No'. It is perfectly possible that certain candidates were offered a different place on the ladder of recruitment - that is all down to how many pilots are required from each intake. It is straight supply and demand - nothing more and nothing less. As I have said before, if you do not like it then turn it down. Ultimately if enough people will turn them down then they will have to think again. If you can get pilots to work for you for £x.xx, why would you pay them £x.xx + £30k? Sorry to sound so mercenary but that is how the world works.
At the risk of sounding like a worn record, every single contract is permanent but has a probation period of a year. Just read the previously published details of the NEC to see what the deal is - there are no secrets. The only unknown is where you join in the 4 year scale and whether you get offered a 75% or 100% contract.
At the risk of sounding like a worn record, every single contract is permanent but has a probation period of a year. Just read the previously published details of the NEC to see what the deal is - there are no secrets. The only unknown is where you join in the 4 year scale and whether you get offered a 75% or 100% contract.
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ADM! You are so badly informed and incorrect its unbelievable; I dont have the time or inclination to read your other posts but I can only assume you are a broken record! Please stop spouting your rubbish on this forum. You clearly had nothing to do with the process or know anything about the offers on the table.
It is not a 12 month probation period. The flexi offers people in the UK have received have been to slave for a subsidiary company which is part of CTC. After, and only after a minimum of 12 months, you may be offered a permanent contract with Easyjet. The contract is for 3 years with the CTC subsidiary and 'most people' achieve a permanent job with Easyjet after 12 poverty stricken months. If Easyjet decide for whatever reason that they don't want you, then they have the option just to not bother taking you onto a permanent contract. All the successful candidates I know were offered a straight flexi deal! Nothing to do with some fanciful NEC and no mention of 75 or 100%.
Please don't come onto a public forum where experienced pilots like myself come to find out whats going on only to find confusion caused by you. I had an offer and I can assure you it's an appalling offer for any experienced pilot. I know of no pilot in the UK yet who has taken the flexi contract offered.
The whole process sucked in some of the best pilots that Europe had to offer and Easyjet showed their true colours. Easyjets management has one sole purpose which is to recruit the cheapest labour it can. They don't value the recruitment of the best performing candidates, which no doubt will be the ones holding out for an honest days pay. Instead they will rely on the fact that there are people who just want to be pilots and aren't fussed about who they work for. Let's be honest, there can be no pride in working for a company who make the future captains slave on a zero hour contract!
There will come a day when the management of this type of airline regrets ever going down this road with employment. Unfortunately the consequences could be grave in the end and I sincerely hope they don't have to learn a hard lesson. As for you ADM, you are a mercenary; this is not the way the world works and in no other profession I know would any experienced professional be offered such poor terms. Good employers value their employees and remunerate them appropriately-simple.
There are lots of good airlines left around this fine world-Easyjet is not one of them. And before another jumped up easy Captain jumps on the band wagon of 'how great the job and package is', you should be ashamed of yourself for standing by and letting your own company employ slaves on an hourly rate-despicable! £100k plus in the LHS while his professional experienced colleague will get £42 per hour! Surprised this hasn't made it into the daily newspaper yet!!
I can only hope that the fact that I know of no-one who has accepted these terms, may mean that no-one of experience has.
A final word of warning to any pilots looking for jobs, the crap spouted on this forum by people declaring they know whats going on is extremely worrying. Do your own research and trust only those you know!
It is not a 12 month probation period. The flexi offers people in the UK have received have been to slave for a subsidiary company which is part of CTC. After, and only after a minimum of 12 months, you may be offered a permanent contract with Easyjet. The contract is for 3 years with the CTC subsidiary and 'most people' achieve a permanent job with Easyjet after 12 poverty stricken months. If Easyjet decide for whatever reason that they don't want you, then they have the option just to not bother taking you onto a permanent contract. All the successful candidates I know were offered a straight flexi deal! Nothing to do with some fanciful NEC and no mention of 75 or 100%.
Please don't come onto a public forum where experienced pilots like myself come to find out whats going on only to find confusion caused by you. I had an offer and I can assure you it's an appalling offer for any experienced pilot. I know of no pilot in the UK yet who has taken the flexi contract offered.
The whole process sucked in some of the best pilots that Europe had to offer and Easyjet showed their true colours. Easyjets management has one sole purpose which is to recruit the cheapest labour it can. They don't value the recruitment of the best performing candidates, which no doubt will be the ones holding out for an honest days pay. Instead they will rely on the fact that there are people who just want to be pilots and aren't fussed about who they work for. Let's be honest, there can be no pride in working for a company who make the future captains slave on a zero hour contract!
There will come a day when the management of this type of airline regrets ever going down this road with employment. Unfortunately the consequences could be grave in the end and I sincerely hope they don't have to learn a hard lesson. As for you ADM, you are a mercenary; this is not the way the world works and in no other profession I know would any experienced professional be offered such poor terms. Good employers value their employees and remunerate them appropriately-simple.
There are lots of good airlines left around this fine world-Easyjet is not one of them. And before another jumped up easy Captain jumps on the band wagon of 'how great the job and package is', you should be ashamed of yourself for standing by and letting your own company employ slaves on an hourly rate-despicable! £100k plus in the LHS while his professional experienced colleague will get £42 per hour! Surprised this hasn't made it into the daily newspaper yet!!
I can only hope that the fact that I know of no-one who has accepted these terms, may mean that no-one of experience has.
A final word of warning to any pilots looking for jobs, the crap spouted on this forum by people declaring they know whats going on is extremely worrying. Do your own research and trust only those you know!
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Mix....calm down a bit. I hope you're not about to go flying.
Can anyone confirm whether these Flexi deals are the type where you form your own "company" and hire your services via CTC? If so, I thought that the cost of the type rating could be be offset against tax which mitigates some of the "slave" wages (I'm sure the Daily Mail would have a field day about people complaining of earning "only" £42 / hour).
I flew recently with a guy who is still on Flexi (moving to permanent shortly) and he did close to 100 hours in August at just under £60/hour - he's not looking forward to the paycut he'll get moving to a permanent contract but with his current ability and experience he could quite concievably be LHS in 3-4 years on £110k+ / year - he's very happy to be in eJ - he's thinking long term - and he'll be on a PERMANENT contract.
Be it right or wrong, eJ recruitment / management are just doing what they're supposed to do for the company/shareholders - secure a workforce at the lowest cost. Nearly every single company now follows a similar path (even BA's Cadet scheme isn't a patch on what it used to be). Monarch appear to be the only "traditional" airline left. It may leave a bad taste in the mouth, but AdM is correct - this is the way of the world now and not only in aviation. Look at Internships in Lawyers and the some of the big finance houses - 6 months NO PAY and then usually you're out and they get another one in........
It is difficult to sort fact from fiction within this thread. On the face of it, it does appear that the process hasn't been best managed or the goalposts have moved during it. Bottom line is that it's personal choice as to whether you're prepared to "suck-it-up" for the longer term benefit.
Mix says there are plenty of fine airlines out - ok, apply to them and the very best of luck. As a "jumped up Captain" I can assure you that it was rejection of the Merlin deal (which completely screwed FO's) and the campaigning by BALPA and the CC that got the NEC in place which 100's of Flexicrew are now transferring to - so please don't berate us saying we should be ashamed....
Can anyone confirm whether these Flexi deals are the type where you form your own "company" and hire your services via CTC? If so, I thought that the cost of the type rating could be be offset against tax which mitigates some of the "slave" wages (I'm sure the Daily Mail would have a field day about people complaining of earning "only" £42 / hour).
I flew recently with a guy who is still on Flexi (moving to permanent shortly) and he did close to 100 hours in August at just under £60/hour - he's not looking forward to the paycut he'll get moving to a permanent contract but with his current ability and experience he could quite concievably be LHS in 3-4 years on £110k+ / year - he's very happy to be in eJ - he's thinking long term - and he'll be on a PERMANENT contract.
Be it right or wrong, eJ recruitment / management are just doing what they're supposed to do for the company/shareholders - secure a workforce at the lowest cost. Nearly every single company now follows a similar path (even BA's Cadet scheme isn't a patch on what it used to be). Monarch appear to be the only "traditional" airline left. It may leave a bad taste in the mouth, but AdM is correct - this is the way of the world now and not only in aviation. Look at Internships in Lawyers and the some of the big finance houses - 6 months NO PAY and then usually you're out and they get another one in........
It is difficult to sort fact from fiction within this thread. On the face of it, it does appear that the process hasn't been best managed or the goalposts have moved during it. Bottom line is that it's personal choice as to whether you're prepared to "suck-it-up" for the longer term benefit.
Mix says there are plenty of fine airlines out - ok, apply to them and the very best of luck. As a "jumped up Captain" I can assure you that it was rejection of the Merlin deal (which completely screwed FO's) and the campaigning by BALPA and the CC that got the NEC in place which 100's of Flexicrew are now transferring to - so please don't berate us saying we should be ashamed....
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Mixchafoolyarich - as far as I can see, the nearest you have been to easyJet is buying a sandwich on one of our flights to Malaga. I have probably worked at easyJet longer than you have been a pilot. Given our relative positions in the organisation I will let readers here decide who to listen to. As you cannot be bothered reading past posts from me, just shut your computer down and make yourself a coffee. For everyone else with a brain in their head, may I suggest you read post no 969 which appears on p49 on my computer. That lays down the terms and conditions of the contract which you will be offered. As many others have said, you do not have to accept it. Please do not say that no one told you.
I am very sympathetic to those who have been turned down or never got an interview. The hard facts are that there are 15 good applicants for every job at easyJet. Inevitably there will be some great people turned away. My genuine sympathy lies with those who have been disappointed.
I am very sympathetic to those who have been turned down or never got an interview. The hard facts are that there are 15 good applicants for every job at easyJet. Inevitably there will be some great people turned away. My genuine sympathy lies with those who have been disappointed.
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Phensocks is right. Uptake from experienced direct entry pilots has been poor in some instances, leaving easyJet short so the part time contracts have been changed to full time...
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I am sorry but this idea of a 12 months "probation" is simply wrong. After successful completion of the assessment I was offered a "job". The contract was with PARC and mentioned absolutely nothing about this mythical probation period nor did it say anything about a full time position after 1 year. It is simply a 3 year Flexi contact, exactly the same as people have been signing for the last 5 years. Obviously people on this Forum know much more than me but I can only talk about my own experience and I was 100% defiantly not offered a permeant position.
Obviously I turned it down! good luck to everyone else.
Obviously I turned it down! good luck to everyone else.
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Best line in your post fella was telling me to calm down-you are prob correct in that but I'm afraid I'm a little passionate and disappointed in the way my industry has been allowed to disintegrate from a profession into this mess.
The 'jumped up' people will know who they are as they certainly haven't been shy on this forum of boasting about their fantastic LHS package. If you are feeling got at by me calling certain people 'jumped up' then maybe you feel partly responsible but I'm not saying you are; my intention is not to upset anyone-just highlight a few facts.The comment is clearly directed at one distinct set of people who see fit to boast when at the same time the guy sitting next to them will be on 30 days notice and earning £42/hour. The daily newspapers would find that intersting! Any permanent employment is better than the potential to earn £42/£60 an hour on a contract they will potentially never be permanently employed on. If this isn't obvious to you, ask yourself the question which contract you would rather have?
The facts:
It's not the type of flexi deal you can be self employed on!
ADM is not correct. Its not the way the world is. There is more than one other airline out there at the moment who won't make you pay for your training and won't put you on a zero hour contract.
Your point about finance house internships? Great-except internships rarely aim to attract experienced professionals! Normally new graduates.
You are correct that people will have to suck it up short term to benefit long term. Problem being its such an insecure and poorly paid contract that I can't imagine anyone would be able to leave a perm job to go to easy.
What you need to realise if you are going to defend the current recruitment campaign is that there has been no improvement or any sign of a NEC deal to new recruits; maybe to existing cadets?! Easy have you all hoodwinked! The may have promised the workforce and BALPA that changes will be made but actually it's still just Flexi being offered in the UK.
Supply and demand-simple problem to solve but not when it comes to employing a safety critical member of a team.
Phensocks-I absolutely turned it down!
The 'jumped up' people will know who they are as they certainly haven't been shy on this forum of boasting about their fantastic LHS package. If you are feeling got at by me calling certain people 'jumped up' then maybe you feel partly responsible but I'm not saying you are; my intention is not to upset anyone-just highlight a few facts.The comment is clearly directed at one distinct set of people who see fit to boast when at the same time the guy sitting next to them will be on 30 days notice and earning £42/hour. The daily newspapers would find that intersting! Any permanent employment is better than the potential to earn £42/£60 an hour on a contract they will potentially never be permanently employed on. If this isn't obvious to you, ask yourself the question which contract you would rather have?
The facts:
It's not the type of flexi deal you can be self employed on!
ADM is not correct. Its not the way the world is. There is more than one other airline out there at the moment who won't make you pay for your training and won't put you on a zero hour contract.
Your point about finance house internships? Great-except internships rarely aim to attract experienced professionals! Normally new graduates.
You are correct that people will have to suck it up short term to benefit long term. Problem being its such an insecure and poorly paid contract that I can't imagine anyone would be able to leave a perm job to go to easy.
What you need to realise if you are going to defend the current recruitment campaign is that there has been no improvement or any sign of a NEC deal to new recruits; maybe to existing cadets?! Easy have you all hoodwinked! The may have promised the workforce and BALPA that changes will be made but actually it's still just Flexi being offered in the UK.
Supply and demand-simple problem to solve but not when it comes to employing a safety critical member of a team.
Phensocks-I absolutely turned it down!
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The comment is clearly directed at one distinct set of people who see fit to
boast when at the same time the guy sitting next to them will be on 30 days
notice and earning £42/hour. The daily newspapers would find that
intersting!
Your average reader would view £42 per hour as £1500 per week! I can't see that many builders on their tea breaks, or office workers on the crowded train commute to work, or retirees worried that immigrants are getting more in benefits than they get in pension, are really going to express outrageous indignation or a call to arms at a wage of only £42 per hour!
It is a market. Supply and demand set the price. If you don't like the price find a better market, or hang on to your product or service until the market maybe moves in your favour.
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Thanks EpsilonVaz, you've just said in one sentence what I just typed half a page saying!
To those that have turned it down, I understand your reasons, best of luck whatever path you take.
To those that have turned it down, I understand your reasons, best of luck whatever path you take.
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Quite so. 'Twas ever thus. When started in an airline 24 years ago it was on a reduced salary. Fortunately I had other ways of making up the shortfall. Four years later I was an SFO five years after that a captain. That's the way the cookie crumbles.
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It isn't avoiding the point at all.
Supply and demand sets the market price. You can manipulate and distort the market, but invariably water finds its own level eventually. If you think "Incumbents" or "I'm all right Jack" or "supply and demand" captains, are living in some sort of bubble, immune to the realities of the market, then you are deluding yourself. Few Captains or long experienced F/O's haven't seen their own terms and conditions significantly denuded over the last decade.
Gone are the Final salary pensions. Gone are many of the insurances, benefits and perks that used to be a regular feature. Gone is the idea of a comfy retirement at 55. Your "comfy captains" have had the opportunity to extend (in many cases) their working lives by up to 10 years, to in part help compensate for some of the reductions evident in their own terms and conditions.
When lo-cost carriers ascended over the last 15 years and in the process stripped out input costs wherever they could find them, did you think that wasn't going to involve wages, benefits and perks?
The "I'm alright Jack" and the"supply and demand" brigade are conveniently
overlooking that if life is so cushy for the incumbents, then perhaps they are
being paid to much, and said pay should be diverted to attract experienced
entrants, which at the moment it is failing to do. Not what we would seek, but
that's the flip side of arguing that we should suck up the ctc 'deal', because
that's all we are worth.
Perhaps they are, and perhaps they will. If so you can look forward to that road sign to your own future, which will arrive soon enough! However before you get too smug take a look over at the wannabes forum. There are hoards of 250 hour CPL holders who are clamouring for the floor sweepings. They would regard this type of work as all their birthdays rolled into one.
So at the top you have your experienced pilots who can sell their newly granted time extensions to compensate for their losses. At the bottom you have the gates bulging with wannabes desperate for their dream. That is a lot of oversupply and not a lot of unsatisfied demand.
How much are your services worth? I don't know! What is the market price in the UK, in the Middle East, in China?
Supply and demand sets the market price. You can manipulate and distort the market, but invariably water finds its own level eventually. If you think "Incumbents" or "I'm all right Jack" or "supply and demand" captains, are living in some sort of bubble, immune to the realities of the market, then you are deluding yourself. Few Captains or long experienced F/O's haven't seen their own terms and conditions significantly denuded over the last decade.
Gone are the Final salary pensions. Gone are many of the insurances, benefits and perks that used to be a regular feature. Gone is the idea of a comfy retirement at 55. Your "comfy captains" have had the opportunity to extend (in many cases) their working lives by up to 10 years, to in part help compensate for some of the reductions evident in their own terms and conditions.
When lo-cost carriers ascended over the last 15 years and in the process stripped out input costs wherever they could find them, did you think that wasn't going to involve wages, benefits and perks?
The "I'm alright Jack" and the"supply and demand" brigade are conveniently
overlooking that if life is so cushy for the incumbents, then perhaps they are
being paid to much, and said pay should be diverted to attract experienced
entrants, which at the moment it is failing to do. Not what we would seek, but
that's the flip side of arguing that we should suck up the ctc 'deal', because
that's all we are worth.
So at the top you have your experienced pilots who can sell their newly granted time extensions to compensate for their losses. At the bottom you have the gates bulging with wannabes desperate for their dream. That is a lot of oversupply and not a lot of unsatisfied demand.
How much are your services worth? I don't know! What is the market price in the UK, in the Middle East, in China?