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The solution is very easy, these types of contract should be illegal. Full stop.
If a company tries to implement them, it must be closed the day after by the government.
It should be illegal to self fund a Type Rating too, only company sponsored type ratings should be valid on a licence. And of course no way you should be able to pay hours on a line operation.
Stop blaming people who try to build a future for themselves not realizing what we all do after a few years in this business.
If a company tries to implement them, it must be closed the day after by the government.
It should be illegal to self fund a Type Rating too, only company sponsored type ratings should be valid on a licence. And of course no way you should be able to pay hours on a line operation.
Stop blaming people who try to build a future for themselves not realizing what we all do after a few years in this business.
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I have seen how this "paid by the hour thing" works for real with Brookfield pilots or pilots on high Sector Pay. This form of pay is a big safety hazard and should be referred to the CAA.
I have seen pilots flying when in my judgement they should have called in sick simply because they need the money.
I have seen pilots go into discretion where they shouldn't because they will loose the next day pay.
I have seen pilots who don't take leave because they can't afford it.
I have seen pilot depressed, stressed out and frustrated with their situation of feeling trapped and abused and not able to do anything thing about it.
How on earth contracts like this is possible in a modern world is beyond me.
The only ones that can stop this madness is the pilots within the airline. They are to blame not the Cadets.
I have seen pilots flying when in my judgement they should have called in sick simply because they need the money.
I have seen pilots go into discretion where they shouldn't because they will loose the next day pay.
I have seen pilots who don't take leave because they can't afford it.
I have seen pilot depressed, stressed out and frustrated with their situation of feeling trapped and abused and not able to do anything thing about it.
How on earth contracts like this is possible in a modern world is beyond me.
The only ones that can stop this madness is the pilots within the airline. They are to blame not the Cadets.
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All of this is pure and simple greed. The ones responsible is has been pointed out again and again CTC and Easyjet mainly, Although this is fullfilling other airline managers wet dream as well.
"CTC has always been a reliable source of quality pilots. Our marketplace is changing - the ability to have a seasonal supply of pilots is something only previously considered by the smaller operators. However, we all have to revisit our approach to resourcing and this could provide a very workable solution for more airlines as our industry evolves."
"CTC has always been a reliable source of quality pilots. Our marketplace is changing - the ability to have a seasonal supply of pilots is something only previously considered by the smaller operators. However, we all have to revisit our approach to resourcing and this could provide a very workable solution for more airlines as our industry evolves."
Captain Tim Cheal, Training Manager, Thomas Cook Airlines
I am not sure if you could call EZY one of the "smaller" operators but here you go the future. This should be the first thing people should come across before taking the step to become an airlinepuppet, sorry pilots i think we are still called.
So if you want to go ahead and fullfilling your dream about flying airplanes do that please it is still fun. But for ***'s sake forget the nice house,car and all the other stuff you used to be able to treat yourself with before.
So if you want to go ahead and fullfilling your dream about flying airplanes do that please it is still fun. But for ***'s sake forget the nice house,car and all the other stuff you used to be able to treat yourself with before.
It must be stopped from within the airlines themselves, i wonder how much more expensive a ticket would be if the airlines did this properly.
Talking about the CTC Scheme and how timing is oh so important. I was having a long conversation with a cadet last night, after 12 months of deferring his unsecured loan HSBC are now forcing them into bankruptcy. They flew 6 months with easyjet over the summer, got stood down and is now heading off to Africa to fly light singles and twins. Some may argue they are in a good position, debt free and flying for a living. The wage they quoted me wasn't too bad considering the cost of living out there. They also drew my attention to a friend who finished 3 months earlier, they have just completed their A330 conversion and is flying long haul for Thomas Cook on a permanent contract.
I never saw CTC as a cheaters way to become a pilot, if you want to become an airline pilot, surely you should train as that from day one. When I signed up it was doing exactly what it said on the tin, taking people with the ability from zero hours into the RHS of an airliner on a permanent contract within 2 years. Of course it was a risk taking out that much debt in my name at such a young age, however the evidence I had seen suggested that getting into CTC was a sure in to an airline job. As opposed to FTE and Oxford. With that sure in was all the money you required, unsecured! Jackpot, who at the start of their careers would have turned that down and decided no, instead I'm going to diligently save for 5 years and do this on my own. It would be noble if we all thought like that, but unfortunately were human and that just isn't the case! And plus, its unsecured, so if it does all go tits up I'll still have my parents house to go back to.
I'm sure I'll get a bit of flack for the last paragraph I've written, I don't mind, I simply wrote it to try and reply to northern_boys post and explain it from a prospective cadet.
I never saw CTC as a cheaters way to become a pilot, if you want to become an airline pilot, surely you should train as that from day one. When I signed up it was doing exactly what it said on the tin, taking people with the ability from zero hours into the RHS of an airliner on a permanent contract within 2 years. Of course it was a risk taking out that much debt in my name at such a young age, however the evidence I had seen suggested that getting into CTC was a sure in to an airline job. As opposed to FTE and Oxford. With that sure in was all the money you required, unsecured! Jackpot, who at the start of their careers would have turned that down and decided no, instead I'm going to diligently save for 5 years and do this on my own. It would be noble if we all thought like that, but unfortunately were human and that just isn't the case! And plus, its unsecured, so if it does all go tits up I'll still have my parents house to go back to.
I'm sure I'll get a bit of flack for the last paragraph I've written, I don't mind, I simply wrote it to try and reply to northern_boys post and explain it from a prospective cadet.
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" We are now in the dire situation where a new turboprop F/O in the UK will take home more money than a new F/O sitting in a easyJet Airbus plus the former will probably be on a full time contract too."
That's what we think now. But, no TP operators are recruiting currently.
Let's just see if they try and emulate this CTC scheme - except with, likely, even worse conditions again.
This sh1t has to stop.
That's what we think now. But, no TP operators are recruiting currently.
Let's just see if they try and emulate this CTC scheme - except with, likely, even worse conditions again.
This sh1t has to stop.
NSF has a point,well made in that the older generation of pilots had more opportunity in terms of that route to the rhs of an airliner.However,and it is probably non-pc to state this but that route was not open to all.And certainly not easier.
The 60's and 70's had proper sponsorship for aspirant airline pilots.To obtain a place on one of these courses required a fairly high academic standard coupled with a rigorous selection procedure.As much as we probably do not want to hear this generally the best prospects were chosen.The same criteria were applied to military pilots.Basically,these were the two main ways to become an airline pilot or the well-trodden 'self-improver' route which imho also produced in general a very determined and able pilot.None of these routes landed the potential pilot with ludicrous amounts of debt -and I do not believe that there is a more tolerant view of debt -quite the reverse.
As a former trainer in orange world I always thought that there would be a line I would not cross.That line was training pilots who are paying for line training-this is manifestly ridiculous.I would and still would have resigned from training at that juncture.To back up NSF us 'older' pilots need to be supportive of the next generation of pilots and probably the best mechanism is Balpa.
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The 60's and 70's had proper sponsorship for aspirant airline pilots.To obtain a place on one of these courses required a fairly high academic standard coupled with a rigorous selection procedure.As much as we probably do not want to hear this generally the best prospects were chosen.The same criteria were applied to military pilots.Basically,these were the two main ways to become an airline pilot or the well-trodden 'self-improver' route which imho also produced in general a very determined and able pilot.None of these routes landed the potential pilot with ludicrous amounts of debt -and I do not believe that there is a more tolerant view of debt -quite the reverse.
As a former trainer in orange world I always thought that there would be a line I would not cross.That line was training pilots who are paying for line training-this is manifestly ridiculous.I would and still would have resigned from training at that juncture.To back up NSF us 'older' pilots need to be supportive of the next generation of pilots and probably the best mechanism is Balpa.
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There has been a trickle of recruitment onto props. I have seen the odd story on here from a low hours chap plus Flybe took a few from their pool recently. However it is still a drop in the ocean when you consider the number of unemployed pilots but the job market has and will always be a case of 'survival of the fittest'.
If we start reading about CTC buying ATR and Dash 8 sims then the writing is on the wall!
There has been a trickle of recruitment onto props. I have seen the odd story on here from a low hours chap plus Flybe took a few from their pool recently. However it is still a drop in the ocean when you consider the number of unemployed pilots but the job market has and will always be a case of 'survival of the fittest'.
If we start reading about CTC buying ATR and Dash 8 sims then the writing is on the wall!
I feel very sorry for the cadets, who are only doing what everyone else has done. Take the only/best route into getting a job.
The issue here is purely financial - supply and demand. eJ are exploiting the pilots and the market state. But the plain fact is that eJ made an offer, and the pilot willingly accepted it. A little like the £11k pa Ryanair was offering just after Sept 11. "Take it or leave it" has been in contract law for a long time now.
But...
There is a flight safety issue.
And...
Why doesn't the cadet simply:
The issue here is purely financial - supply and demand. eJ are exploiting the pilots and the market state. But the plain fact is that eJ made an offer, and the pilot willingly accepted it. A little like the £11k pa Ryanair was offering just after Sept 11. "Take it or leave it" has been in contract law for a long time now.
But...
There is a flight safety issue.
And...
Why doesn't the cadet simply:
- Accept the offer.
- Do the TR and line training.
- Leave eJ due to stress and agree to pay the £28,000.
- Go bankrupt and leave eJ with the bill.
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100% please.
Because to do that knowingly, wittingly and with a plan in place would most likely see you in Court for Fraud.
Also, the Cadet would be unemployed and likely, unemployable.
Notwithstanding those possible points, it's a good idea!!
Because to do that knowingly, wittingly and with a plan in place would most likely see you in Court for Fraud.
Also, the Cadet would be unemployed and likely, unemployable.
Notwithstanding those possible points, it's a good idea!!
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To all those having a good old go. Excellent, its time this immoral and disgusting practice was brought out into the cold light of day. What I'd really like to see is the whole affair all over the papers and TV. Pay to fly kids taking you on holiday whilst experienced pilots sit at home on the dole.
I was desperate for my first flying job once upon a time. I understand how you all feel. I applied and applied and applied and waited and made contacts and applied again until I landed a turboprop position. From there I built my way up onto jets. I had low hours as well but I was one amongst a batch of recruits some of whom were experienced guys who were redundant and some of whom were entering the business for the first time. Yes, the BA sponsored cadets had a good deal, yes some went straight onto jets but I seem to remember quite a few were headed for the ATP. I don't remember any of them moaning and demanding a 757 either.
All I say to you is wait. Wait until ten or fifteen years down the line when you are laid off or have your salary chopped due to "economic circumstances".Wait until you have a mortgage and a family and you cannot get even so much as a look in anywhere because all the places are "reserved" for those coming via a "scheme" like CTC or Oxford. See how you feel about having to retrain in your 50's because you can't manage on the reduced income. See how you feel about the youngsters who are buying their way into what used to be your good job. See how you feel about the training managements taking their bonuses whilst you get laid off. Fantasy?, the ramblings of a bitter old man? ask the BMI crews at LHR or the Thomsonfly crews who are about to be chucked on the scrapheap or the NJE crews who are struggling to cope for the next 4 years. The reason this job is being reduced below the status and conditions of a bus driver is precisely because of schemes like CTC making carriers the sort of offer they cannot refuse. These schemes would not exist if there were not a never ending line of aspirants who put their fingers in their ears and say "no, no, no I don't hear anything" whilst the rest of the industry tries desperately to warn them of the short sightedness of their actions and the consequences for the entire profession.
Well the chickens have finally come home to roost. This was inevitable and I'm afraid that I find it very difficult to have any sympathy whatsoever. Sorry but there it is. Go into any crew room and try your luck, I doubt you will find much there either.
Aviation is heading the same way as coal mining did in the 1980's.
I was desperate for my first flying job once upon a time. I understand how you all feel. I applied and applied and applied and waited and made contacts and applied again until I landed a turboprop position. From there I built my way up onto jets. I had low hours as well but I was one amongst a batch of recruits some of whom were experienced guys who were redundant and some of whom were entering the business for the first time. Yes, the BA sponsored cadets had a good deal, yes some went straight onto jets but I seem to remember quite a few were headed for the ATP. I don't remember any of them moaning and demanding a 757 either.
All I say to you is wait. Wait until ten or fifteen years down the line when you are laid off or have your salary chopped due to "economic circumstances".Wait until you have a mortgage and a family and you cannot get even so much as a look in anywhere because all the places are "reserved" for those coming via a "scheme" like CTC or Oxford. See how you feel about having to retrain in your 50's because you can't manage on the reduced income. See how you feel about the youngsters who are buying their way into what used to be your good job. See how you feel about the training managements taking their bonuses whilst you get laid off. Fantasy?, the ramblings of a bitter old man? ask the BMI crews at LHR or the Thomsonfly crews who are about to be chucked on the scrapheap or the NJE crews who are struggling to cope for the next 4 years. The reason this job is being reduced below the status and conditions of a bus driver is precisely because of schemes like CTC making carriers the sort of offer they cannot refuse. These schemes would not exist if there were not a never ending line of aspirants who put their fingers in their ears and say "no, no, no I don't hear anything" whilst the rest of the industry tries desperately to warn them of the short sightedness of their actions and the consequences for the entire profession.
Well the chickens have finally come home to roost. This was inevitable and I'm afraid that I find it very difficult to have any sympathy whatsoever. Sorry but there it is. Go into any crew room and try your luck, I doubt you will find much there either.
Aviation is heading the same way as coal mining did in the 1980's.
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I'm well aware that the older cadets had unsecured loans.
The point about being outside mummy and daddy's house was simply to flag that this may be the spin that EZY put on things, if strike action is called - do no underestimate how underhand things could get.
Yes - CTC was a great product for many, but it was always risky (and NOT the only way) and you're playing with a huge sum. You pay your money, you take your chance.
The point about being outside mummy and daddy's house was simply to flag that this may be the spin that EZY put on things, if strike action is called - do no underestimate how underhand things could get.
Yes - CTC was a great product for many, but it was always risky (and NOT the only way) and you're playing with a huge sum. You pay your money, you take your chance.
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And so you see, children, some things were never meant to fly. Like the Ostrich and the northern Dodo.
It isn't aspirant pilots that keep you from the air, Northernboy, it is the consequences of unionisation over the decades that have insisted on the jobs for the few with their fur-lined terms and conditions, and consequent airfares beyond the reach of mere mortals. Mercifully, those days are behind us. Could it be something else keeping you ground bound? Attitude perhaps?
If you feel the need to point the bone at something as the root cause of your misfortune, point it at the unions who, for decades, have sought to create a virtual cartel of whom could fly and who not.
Being hysterical doesn't help your case much. If the CTC deal is too much to bear, don't accept it. With nobody taking it up it'll soon vanish and Norman can work over Christmas instead of having it with his family, much like our golden-balled chums at British Airways who have the 12 days of Christmas by hearth and home.
It isn't aspirant pilots that keep you from the air, Northernboy, it is the consequences of unionisation over the decades that have insisted on the jobs for the few with their fur-lined terms and conditions, and consequent airfares beyond the reach of mere mortals. Mercifully, those days are behind us. Could it be something else keeping you ground bound? Attitude perhaps?
If you feel the need to point the bone at something as the root cause of your misfortune, point it at the unions who, for decades, have sought to create a virtual cartel of whom could fly and who not.
Being hysterical doesn't help your case much. If the CTC deal is too much to bear, don't accept it. With nobody taking it up it'll soon vanish and Norman can work over Christmas instead of having it with his family, much like our golden-balled chums at British Airways who have the 12 days of Christmas by hearth and home.
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And so you see, children, some things were never meant to fly. Like the Ostrich and the northern Dodo.
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Baguette, we have to fight for you! We have to as we are fighting for our own survival also. Your attitude of take what we are given and be grateful will pull our T&C's down into the mud with yours. I am not saying this is your fault but don't roll over and be happy with it. Or if you want to roll over fine, but don't be upset if the rest of us aren't happy about it and want to fight this. I am slightly disappointed that you are willing to ruin the T&C's of thousands incase it means it will take you slightly longer to get a jet job!!!!
I have a dream also and I am passionate about my dream. My dream is to enjoy my job and earn enough to allow my family a good standard of living. You want your dream so allow me to want my own. Allow me to fight to protect my "dream". Hopefully both our "dreams" can come true. That would be my goal in all this.
I hope you don't mind but I will try and fight this one for you if thats ok? I would strike over this tomorrow. You WILL benefit. I will benefit.
I have a dream also and I am passionate about my dream. My dream is to enjoy my job and earn enough to allow my family a good standard of living. You want your dream so allow me to want my own. Allow me to fight to protect my "dream". Hopefully both our "dreams" can come true. That would be my goal in all this.
I hope you don't mind but I will try and fight this one for you if thats ok? I would strike over this tomorrow. You WILL benefit. I will benefit.
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Firstly, as a cadet pilot from CTC, freshly entering the hold-pool I'd like to say I've been rather overwhelmed by other Training Captains and other colleagues already established within the airline industry. Just knowing a few of you are even sympathetic towards our plight really means something. The hint that you're willing to speak up for us means even more.
(And on a slightly different note, how DARE some of you call us Cadet Pilots "the skurge of the airline industry". CTC, at the time, was the only way I could ever become an airline pilot. I am poor. My family are poor. This is my chance to NOT be poor, so how dare you pass judgement on someone thats trying their damned best to be successful)
Anyways, now that I've got that out my system:
I'm scared. Really, well and truly. And I'm also really confused.
Surely paying £70,000 for a course, to be told at the VERY end to pay another £30,000 can't be...legal?
Is that not like shelling out £100,000 for a 4 bedroom semi-detached in prime location to end in a 1 bedroom cottage in the middle of nowhere?
We paid for a product, we bought a service - and that service/product has not lived up to any kind of expectations - and has infact...Changed completely. Are we not entitled to some kind of refund?
Okay, maybe refunds are not the way to go - but I'm still scared.
Just like with the housing/economy collapse, is this not the same way it all went tits up with that?
We cannot accept this deal, there is absolutely no way we can afford it.
Yet, we cannot afford not to either. What the hell are we supposed to do?
All this strike talk - is it feasable?
(And on a slightly different note, how DARE some of you call us Cadet Pilots "the skurge of the airline industry". CTC, at the time, was the only way I could ever become an airline pilot. I am poor. My family are poor. This is my chance to NOT be poor, so how dare you pass judgement on someone thats trying their damned best to be successful)
Anyways, now that I've got that out my system:
I'm scared. Really, well and truly. And I'm also really confused.
Surely paying £70,000 for a course, to be told at the VERY end to pay another £30,000 can't be...legal?
Is that not like shelling out £100,000 for a 4 bedroom semi-detached in prime location to end in a 1 bedroom cottage in the middle of nowhere?
We paid for a product, we bought a service - and that service/product has not lived up to any kind of expectations - and has infact...Changed completely. Are we not entitled to some kind of refund?
Okay, maybe refunds are not the way to go - but I'm still scared.
Just like with the housing/economy collapse, is this not the same way it all went tits up with that?
We cannot accept this deal, there is absolutely no way we can afford it.
Yet, we cannot afford not to either. What the hell are we supposed to do?
All this strike talk - is it feasable?
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Actually, the changed terms of your CTC contract is legal because it is "real airline world" training for the future when you are at an airline and your T and Cs change monthly. I believe the ATPL is going to add another subject called, "changing terms and conditions".
Honestly, buddy, I'm sad to hear your misery with the finances. They know that you have come so far and spent a load of money, so they are banking on that you won't throw in the towel while being so close to that shiny jet. So, really they played everybody beautifully because your screwed if you don't accept the new terms and screwed if you do accept the terms. Its win-win for them.
Honestly, buddy, I'm sad to hear your misery with the finances. They know that you have come so far and spent a load of money, so they are banking on that you won't throw in the towel while being so close to that shiny jet. So, really they played everybody beautifully because your screwed if you don't accept the new terms and screwed if you do accept the terms. Its win-win for them.
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Do not give me all this "POOR" ****, it took me seven years to get my licence and I paid every penny through hard work and determination! I have no sympathy for any of you. Yes I would go on strike to stop Ezy opening this avenue but ONLY to protect all of the current pilot's T&C'S in Easyjet from being further attacked.
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I'm scared. Really, well and truly. And I'm also really confused.
Surely paying £70,000 for a course, to be told at the VERY end to pay another £30,000 can't be...legal?
Is that not like shelling out £100,000 for a 4 bedroom semi-detached in prime location to end in a 1 bedroom cottage in the middle of nowhere?
We paid for a product, we bought a service - and that service/product has not lived up to any kind of expectations - and has infact...Changed completely. Are we not entitled to some kind of refund?
Surely paying £70,000 for a course, to be told at the VERY end to pay another £30,000 can't be...legal?
Is that not like shelling out £100,000 for a 4 bedroom semi-detached in prime location to end in a 1 bedroom cottage in the middle of nowhere?
We paid for a product, we bought a service - and that service/product has not lived up to any kind of expectations - and has infact...Changed completely. Are we not entitled to some kind of refund?
You paid for a product and you got it. The training and the licence. What else were you guaranteed in the terms of the contract? The £30,000 you are now being offered a type rating for, wasn't presumably any part of your contract. It might well have been the likely progression when it was being marketed to you, but without any contractual agreement that included this, that really doesn't matter much. You are not being told to pay another £30,000. You are being made an offer. You can refuse it.
As for the service you purchased. Again it comes down to the contract. Unless there is a contractual breach of something that you purchased, your expectations are largely irrelevant.
Actually it is like shelling out £100,000 for a 4 bedroom house, with the exception that with the house you have a tangible asset that you can normally re-sell, albeit perhaps at a loss. It is a large purchase that will have involved contracts. Wisely you would have taken legal advice before entering into a contract of this size. Whatever you purchase there are always potential pitfalls, and it is important to fully understand what you are buying before signing on the dotted line or parting with your cash.
I understand how frustrating and annoying and potentially disasterous this is, but legally you can only rely on the contracts you entered into. It is no consolation, but the whole industry is in crisis. The weakness in these schemes was only ever going to become evident when the market for them reached satuation point. That has well and truly happened.
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The thing is the course was always structured to end after advanced training. Advanced training consisted of the type rating, line training and then line "experience". The line training/flying portion lasted 6 months. Durning this time you were paid a "salary" from CTC as you were not employed by the airline but were completing your training.
The CTC package therefore always was £60k (now a lot more) for (f)ATPL/Type rating/approx 500hrs. After completing all training you got a permanent contract. This then changed to only getting a flexi contract but all the advanced training was still covered in the original cost.
Now however this advanced training is to be paid for by the cadet. This in my eyes is a change to your contract. Going on a flexi contract was not, but paying for your type rating is!!!! Is there not some legal avenue you can pursue? I really think BALPA should investigate this. How can they just change the course structure and therefore cost.
If you went to OAT and they turned round and said, nope, changed our mind you owe us £7G for the IR, we have decided you need to pay for it again all hell would break lose. Why is this any different????
Locarno, mate I feel for you and all the others. I would strike to help you (if we could - i hope we can but lets face it we probably can't!!) and I will bloody well strike to protect the T&C's of all current EZY FO's because this sure as hell is going to ruin them! That we should be able to do!
You bought and paid for a service. Without negotiation what you paid for has changed. Dramatically. I cannot see how this can be legal. Get your contracts out and get legal advice. If you are a BALPA member get them on the case.
The CTC package therefore always was £60k (now a lot more) for (f)ATPL/Type rating/approx 500hrs. After completing all training you got a permanent contract. This then changed to only getting a flexi contract but all the advanced training was still covered in the original cost.
Now however this advanced training is to be paid for by the cadet. This in my eyes is a change to your contract. Going on a flexi contract was not, but paying for your type rating is!!!! Is there not some legal avenue you can pursue? I really think BALPA should investigate this. How can they just change the course structure and therefore cost.
If you went to OAT and they turned round and said, nope, changed our mind you owe us £7G for the IR, we have decided you need to pay for it again all hell would break lose. Why is this any different????
Locarno, mate I feel for you and all the others. I would strike to help you (if we could - i hope we can but lets face it we probably can't!!) and I will bloody well strike to protect the T&C's of all current EZY FO's because this sure as hell is going to ruin them! That we should be able to do!
You bought and paid for a service. Without negotiation what you paid for has changed. Dramatically. I cannot see how this can be legal. Get your contracts out and get legal advice. If you are a BALPA member get them on the case.
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Double the drift, Northern Boy is speaking with first hand experience, where you I feel are ploughing ahead with youthful blinkers thinking that the prospect of a WHOOPING £30 k salary after three years for flying a 90t passenger jet is a good deal, suppose it does sound ok to a young inexperienced whipper snapper like yourself !! I just hope your not writing a similar post as Northern Boy in 5 or 6years, maybe then and only then the penny will drop, who knows eh !
Locarno, why do you seem so shocked at the changing of your terms and conditions, wake up boy that is the nature of the industry, the fact that you are entering it after signing up to the most ridiculous deal in the first place puts you in a position where you have very little if anything to bargin with, your problem dude ! If you would have been patient and waited for a better opportunity to come along you would now be discussing loosing chocolate hob nobs, fruit and cheeseboards on the flight deck, which is a slight reduction to what i signed up to but its manageable. I hope you find a way to survive on your pitance of a wage in the attempt for you to achieve your goal but being party to the overall demise of this profession I have no sympathy and you deserve all you get, good luck with your insolvency !!!
SEAMASTER.
Locarno, why do you seem so shocked at the changing of your terms and conditions, wake up boy that is the nature of the industry, the fact that you are entering it after signing up to the most ridiculous deal in the first place puts you in a position where you have very little if anything to bargin with, your problem dude ! If you would have been patient and waited for a better opportunity to come along you would now be discussing loosing chocolate hob nobs, fruit and cheeseboards on the flight deck, which is a slight reduction to what i signed up to but its manageable. I hope you find a way to survive on your pitance of a wage in the attempt for you to achieve your goal but being party to the overall demise of this profession I have no sympathy and you deserve all you get, good luck with your insolvency !!!
SEAMASTER.