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Old 16th Dec 2009, 15:48
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airlines will need to rethink their terms and conditions in order to attract and keep the best people.
Which only include a small proportion of the pilot workforce - trainers, postholders, the deepthroat phonecallers. Given that most individuals can add no value to the business (yes, no matter how big the coronary you may be cultivating over the latest delay), the rest are entirely replaceable as long as they don't drop the ball. If I don't crash, you don't crash or someone who's paying doesn't crash, it makes no difference except to the payroll.

With you 100% on the seniority lists though. It's completely regressive - ask the Japanese. Unfortunately pilots are by and large unimaginative and myopic, like generations of new Americans, they'll look to pull up that drawbridge once they're safely inside.
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Old 16th Dec 2009, 15:58
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"However you dress this up, this is a grotesque abuse of young pilots and constitutes the worst terms and conditions that I am personally aware of in the history of commercial jet aviation in the UK"

Have you seen the brookfields/ryanair contract? Very similar, though still worse actually. That's clearly what Easy have based this on.
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Old 16th Dec 2009, 18:32
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Pay more to attract tallent!!! Dream on they will chip away as much as they can get away with in the name of the great credit crunch, when the upturn comes airlines will make huge profits but we wont see any! The shareholders will be happy though!
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Poor deluded soul. You just don't quite grasp the dynamics of supply and demand. Never mind, it understands you.
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Well history will show!

As an aside, I wonder if the flight schools still spout the out cry for pilots line to?
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LHC is an oft inebriated old captain, relaxed in his ivory tower with his rare-few contract who is on a pay-per-anti-union-post scheme from the hand inserted below that wiggles his lips.

But on this rare occasion he is correct.
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Old 16th Dec 2009, 21:07
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100, close but no cigar.

Leo is neither old, nor oft inebriated: he simply has a taste for quality not quantity.

PS And he is right more often than not!
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Old 17th Dec 2009, 10:22
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More revelations to come on separate thread - you heard it here first.
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Old 17th Dec 2009, 10:47
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Perhaps the MPL should be run by CTC to reduce the initial cost and learn the SOP's of EZY if the cadet is taking on all this debt.

That said, the issue is still with the banks and the poor salary at the end.

I paid as I went for my training and saved as a modular student. Glad I did, reading this thread is very sad.

You would expect after all the training effort and financial investment to get a perm contract that pays them enough to live.

If the bank understood the poor salary why would they want to loan the money out ...
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Is blood boiling? have the CC said anything this week? are they even twitching?
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...and what happens when the interest rates rise? Oh dear.
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Old 6th Jan 2010, 17:37
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Any news??

Funny how as soon as the OAA/EasyJet deal was offered a new thread focussed solely on that! Anyway Im wondering if anyone has heard if the contract between CTC and EasyJet has been signed yet and if so what exactly it contains???

I dont really see how CTC and OAA can offer completely different deals to their cadets (although I guess it's out of their hands) because surely EasyJet want most cadets to come from the scheme which generates them more money and we know which one that is.....
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On the shuttle bus back to the car park today I ran in to a CTC cadet who was on their last day with the company, as their contract had not been renewed.

Just thought I'd mention that here as it should give real pause for thought to those cadets considering this new scheme (be they Oxford or CTC). As long as current cadets are being laid off, what chance do you really have of securing any lasting employment?

Those foolish enough to pay the money will be used and abused.

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Old 7th Jan 2010, 04:21
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employment doesn't exist anymore since they pay to fly.

easyjet= flight club!
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Veetwo was that cadet on the Boeing or the Airbus?
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Old 8th Jan 2010, 04:43
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Airbus.

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Old 8th Jan 2010, 06:30
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Was this CTC guy on a flexi crew contract for the winter? If so, it would mean he had done his line training last summer then has been kept on for few days a month over the winter.... And he won't be kept on for the summer????the busiest season!!!!

It doesn't make any sense! I really wish easy the worst when I read that
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Airbus.
If that doesn't show how much these idiots are taking the pi55 then I don't know what does. So they have a line trained Airbus FO which together with a shortage of FOs they are going to get rid of. The next day they are going to recruit a load of new people willing to pay 34K for the TR and fly for free. It is beyond deplorable. It must be on the border line of legality.

Good video MikeEcho though CTC and OAA are offering two different deals and your video only depicts the OAA deal. What was the comment from 'cadetpilotwebsite'?
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Old 8th Jan 2010, 08:48
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It must be on the border line of legality.
I bet it' s totally illegal.
ask passengers what they think about, they will answer:"are you joking?"
captains(TRTI) who train these guys are out of law and should be prosecuted in civil court(or criminal court), why?
because the goal of the line training is to be familiar with the line when released as an FO and not to CASH more money for the employer!!!.

regrettably, we must wait for a crash, then the authorities will start to send some guys to jail, and make the law more precise like they did in the USA.
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Old 8th Jan 2010, 18:13
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Mike Echo, that video is doing the rounds on Facebook to, non aviators are boycotting easy or so they say already, not sure if thats a good thing or a bad thing for aviation as a whole?
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