PAL Pilot Exodus
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PAL Pilots Loyalty Program
Basically what the loyalty program states that you will as a pilot promise to stay in PAL for 5 years for $25,000 for captains and $20,000 for first officers less 32% taxes.
This breaks down into approximately $285 per month for captains and $225 per month for co-pilots net.
In items 3 and 4, you promise to stay in PAL's employ for 5 years and resigning within 5 years will put you in breach of contract and make you liable for damages.
Item 5 states that you must be willing to sign any other document presented to you by PAL as they deem necessary.
Item 6 assigns PAL as your attorney-in-fact and authorizes them to claim your salary from your new employer.
Item 8 forever and irrevocably releases PAL and everyone connected with PAL from suit and liability from you.
This are the figures in our new program. I'm just wondering who dreamed up this new,bright and brilliant idea .
This breaks down into approximately $285 per month for captains and $225 per month for co-pilots net.
In items 3 and 4, you promise to stay in PAL's employ for 5 years and resigning within 5 years will put you in breach of contract and make you liable for damages.
Item 5 states that you must be willing to sign any other document presented to you by PAL as they deem necessary.
Item 6 assigns PAL as your attorney-in-fact and authorizes them to claim your salary from your new employer.
Item 8 forever and irrevocably releases PAL and everyone connected with PAL from suit and liability from you.
This are the figures in our new program. I'm just wondering who dreamed up this new,bright and brilliant idea .
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PAL Loyalty Program Sucks
TAMA KA DIYAN TSUPER,The loyalty program sucks. Tying yourself down for 5 years with PAL is not worth the additional $285 and $225 for Capt. and FO. You are setting yourself up for a lawsuit from PAL and they have insulated themselves from any lawsuit. Philippine Airlines, The Brown Out is On.1. Do not fly direct routing 2. Do not take intersection take offs 3. Fly the published instrument approach. No visual approaches 4. No deferment of writing of aircraft discrepancies into logbook. I've got a few more aboard. Dissemination of information is slower because we don't have ALPAP to announce this thing but we're getting there.
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RE: BrownOut
Hey Pandoy, why are you calling for this brown out thingie. Aren't you trying to kill the goose that lays the golden egg by deliberately wasting fuel and slowing things down.
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Killing the Goose
Originally Posted by coopalsht
Hey Pandoy, why are you calling for this brown out thingie. Aren't you trying to kill the goose that lays the golden egg by deliberately wasting fuel and slowing things down.
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So what caliber gun did LT hold to your heads to get you to sign that pathetic piece of sh*t offer? Can you say, "Contract of Adhesion"?
I'd put the gear down 30 miles out.
I'd put the gear down 30 miles out.
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Kailangan ko ng tulong
Thanks for the support Slam Bam. And no thanks to Mr. CooPALsht. I need help getting this brown out thing known to PAL pilots. But don't put the gear down that far out. HAHAHA!! It would get their attention but please nothing that obvious. We want to do this anonymously to avoid harassment of individual pilots. You know how dyani and dyuli are. Please help me get support for the brown out. I got a few pilots and increasing but still need more.
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Flight International Article
Here is an interesting article from Flight International Magazine!!
http://www.flightglobal.com/Articles...PAL+plans.html
Poachers disrupt PAL plans
A shortage of pilots at Philippine Airlines (PAL) has caused the flag carrier to delay taking delivery of two Airbus A319s, pushing back the implementation of its narrowbody fleet renewal programme.
Delivery of one A319 from GE Commercial Aviation Services (GECAS) has been delayed into next year, says PAL, which adds it still plans to introduce three A319s this year, all on lease from GECAS.
A pilot shortage is the reason for the delay, says PAL, adding that about 75 pilots have left over the past three years and it now has around 440 pilots. “For a small airline…losing 75 pilots is quite a lot. We are reaching a critical level. So far we have not had to ground aircraft, but if the trend continues then we might have to,” it says. PAL is suffering from a pilot shortage because airlines from India, South Korea and the Middle East have been poaching its employees.
This is an adverstisment for foreign airlines to go to Manila and hire willing pilots! I'm telling you guys... this PLP is a joke!! Why get $5k more a year
, when you can get $5k more a month (minimum)?? Loyalty comes from willing participants... not employees that are forced to sign an unfair agreement. I especially like item 5. of the PLP!!!! You don't see this in the rest of the world because they are getting the right pay. Bahala ka na!!
http://www.flightglobal.com/Articles...PAL+plans.html
Poachers disrupt PAL plans
A shortage of pilots at Philippine Airlines (PAL) has caused the flag carrier to delay taking delivery of two Airbus A319s, pushing back the implementation of its narrowbody fleet renewal programme.
Delivery of one A319 from GE Commercial Aviation Services (GECAS) has been delayed into next year, says PAL, which adds it still plans to introduce three A319s this year, all on lease from GECAS.
A pilot shortage is the reason for the delay, says PAL, adding that about 75 pilots have left over the past three years and it now has around 440 pilots. “For a small airline…losing 75 pilots is quite a lot. We are reaching a critical level. So far we have not had to ground aircraft, but if the trend continues then we might have to,” it says. PAL is suffering from a pilot shortage because airlines from India, South Korea and the Middle East have been poaching its employees.
This is an adverstisment for foreign airlines to go to Manila and hire willing pilots! I'm telling you guys... this PLP is a joke!! Why get $5k more a year
, when you can get $5k more a month (minimum)?? Loyalty comes from willing participants... not employees that are forced to sign an unfair agreement. I especially like item 5. of the PLP!!!! You don't see this in the rest of the world because they are getting the right pay. Bahala ka na!!
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I just started reading this post and it is sad to say the least. I am married to a filipina and I looked into trying to fly there in the beginning. Keep fighting the good fight, DO NOT GIVE UP! If you can leave, get out and leave them hanging. Last time I checked, their fares weren't that low. As a matter of fact, if I had to pay retail, NWA and Cathay beat them on most international routes. They are making money, and can certainly raise your pay.
Just letting you know that you have support from some of us overseas!
Just letting you know that you have support from some of us overseas!
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so what's behind the loyalty plan?
its looking like PAL doesnt want to worry about crew in the wide body A340's and B747's leaving to fly with other airlines so maybe its only these crew who are being offered the new incentive(loyalty contract). almost everyone in the narrow-bodies are tied up with training contracts so thats not much of a problem. when the wide-bodies ,most of whom are not hampered with a training contract, decide to leave then PAL will have a hard time looking for replacements and have to bear the lost income waiting to get these replacements qualified.
the sad thing is if all the pilots sign the contract then PAL is hassle-free for the next 5 years in terms of the exodus because they would be scared to get hit with a law suit(read tsuper's quote). and then there won't be any need to give in to whatever benefits or pay increases that the pilots ask for within this period.
face it.the only reason PAL has been plugging in more pay increases and benefits is because they are trying (in very little ways) to stave the exodus.this may all stop if they have all your signatures.
thanks for the support rjmore.welcome to the group.
the sad thing is if all the pilots sign the contract then PAL is hassle-free for the next 5 years in terms of the exodus because they would be scared to get hit with a law suit(read tsuper's quote). and then there won't be any need to give in to whatever benefits or pay increases that the pilots ask for within this period.
face it.the only reason PAL has been plugging in more pay increases and benefits is because they are trying (in very little ways) to stave the exodus.this may all stop if they have all your signatures.
thanks for the support rjmore.welcome to the group.
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Wake up Kaptin M
Kaptin M...i pity you...wake up this is 2006. Are you still stuck in 1998? You should be working with EVA Air...the Filipino mafia here still discuss 1998 up there in the lounge up to this day.
Get real :that strike in 1998 was never going to work.
Soti was so stupid to believe that lawyer. Asia Brewery sponsors her channel 9 talk shows.
Strike vote?? There wasn't ever any strike vote!!!
Employees never win in the Phils. And you don't get any protection either from the gov't as clearly shown by ATO chief Jatico (Hati-an mo ako).
Lucio
has the money & everybody listens...With or without the 7 dwarves the strike would have not worked anyway.
But today by leaving PAL, pilots can make a better point than by going on strike aka suicide.
So Kaptin M...wake up: this is 2006.
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Korek ka dyan TSUPER!!!!!
I know Richpoorkid, we've done there, done that in 1998. I got a few applications thrown all over asia and the middle east. I'm getting out of here. I'm getting there but leaving some of the junior guys hanging will be selfish. Maybe these young second officers and narrow body pilots can get even a small pay increase from the brown out. These guys have nowhere to go YET. Give them a year flying those A320's and then we're talking qualified people for hire around asia. ...
TSUPER is right. Don't sign that Pilot Loyalty Program. Resigning within five years will put you in breach of contact and the company get sue your ass for damages due to grounded planes. .. .
What we are planning is a slow down that will not only affect fuel consumption but more importantly will cause rolling delays. Especially for the afternoon turnaround flight. Anyway, thanks for the suggestions and again, help me spread the word.
TSUPER is right. Don't sign that Pilot Loyalty Program. Resigning within five years will put you in breach of contact and the company get sue your ass for damages due to grounded planes. .. .
What we are planning is a slow down that will not only affect fuel consumption but more importantly will cause rolling delays. Especially for the afternoon turnaround flight. Anyway, thanks for the suggestions and again, help me spread the word.
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Originally Posted by Pandayan_Ni_Pandoy
I know Richpoorkid, we've done there, done that in 1998. I got a few applications thrown all over asia and the middle east. I'm getting out of here. I'm getting there but leaving some of the junior guys hanging will be selfish. Maybe these young second officers and narrow body pilots can get even a small pay increase from the brown out. These guys have nowhere to go YET. Give them a year flying those A320's and then we're talking qualified people for hire around asia. ...
... quite impossible for my two stripes to get me somewhere..
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Originally Posted by stork
im a junior pilot... thank you for the concern sir... one more stripe and im out of here... ... quite impossible for my two stripes to get me somewhere..
... quite impossible for my two stripes to get me somewhere..Guest
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Communist state?
Good luck to our young guys out there. Just go on improving your skills everyday. Learn more from each flight & have the initiative to learn more from other sources (try amazon.com for some nice books about flying & the profession).
But most of all learn more about interpersonal skills & how to be flexible always...
There is more of the world than such sh**thole run by sh**t heads.
Isn't that country turning out to be a communist state on planning of restricting people from leaving?
But most of all learn more about interpersonal skills & how to be flexible always...
There is more of the world than such sh**thole run by sh**t heads.
Isn't that country turning out to be a communist state on planning of restricting people from leaving?
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Knowledge
All the best to our young guys, Grp 3 & 4.
Here are my advises:
1. Keep on building flying time
2. Take the ATPL exams, even if you dont have plans of activating it yet, at least when the time comes, all you need is a check ride
3. Read on Jeppesen charts
4. Read FAA books, Gleims or ASA
5. Keep your logbooks tidy and in order
Good luck!
Here are my advises:
1. Keep on building flying time
2. Take the ATPL exams, even if you dont have plans of activating it yet, at least when the time comes, all you need is a check ride
3. Read on Jeppesen charts
4. Read FAA books, Gleims or ASA
5. Keep your logbooks tidy and in order
Good luck!
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Are the narrow body FO's not ATP rated? I've only riden on flights in the Philippines but some of the flying seems pretty challenging. Of course NAIA and Cebu are nice long runways but we go to Tagbilaran most often. Seems to be some rather challenging flying. Since you guys board with the cockpit door shut I've never had the chance to come say hi. Next time I go on a trip I'll try to say hello.
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Domestic Challenge
Domestic flights can be a real challenge in the Philppines, especially during the wet season. This is where we build our flying skills. As most of the sectors are about an hour of flight time, it means that for every 100 hrs flown is equal to 100 take off and landings.
ATPL is not required by the ATO and the company for narrow body jet First Officers. But it is required for wide body FO's. And wide body FO's act as cruise capts on long haul flights.
ATPL is not required by the ATO and the company for narrow body jet First Officers. But it is required for wide body FO's. And wide body FO's act as cruise capts on long haul flights.
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RjMore you mentioned about Tagbilaran airport being flown by jets... I heard from a pinoy pilot that they fly the B737 to Naga airport which is 1.4 kms and 30 meters wide!!
It has a 6000ft or so mountain jst about 7 miles away on 1 side & a thousand foot mountain range on another end...& purely visual.
In the morning the fog can stay on the field & in the afternoon the crosswind can be something else.
I've flown the turbo prop there long time ago & I still cannot figure how I did it...these PAL B737 guys must be real real good!!!
I learned also that they conduct the final check on this airport...it is like if you cannot land on that airport you cannot be a PAL 737 Captain.
One A330 guy flying overseas who came back to the Phils to fly the B737 just gave up on this airport & went back to the A330 overseas!!!
And then get paid the way they do?...Unbelievable!!!!!
It has a 6000ft or so mountain jst about 7 miles away on 1 side & a thousand foot mountain range on another end...& purely visual.
In the morning the fog can stay on the field & in the afternoon the crosswind can be something else.
I've flown the turbo prop there long time ago & I still cannot figure how I did it...these PAL B737 guys must be real real good!!!
I learned also that they conduct the final check on this airport...it is like if you cannot land on that airport you cannot be a PAL 737 Captain.
One A330 guy flying overseas who came back to the Phils to fly the B737 just gave up on this airport & went back to the A330 overseas!!!
And then get paid the way they do?...Unbelievable!!!!!