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Egnatia Aviation things you should know
Having first hand knowledge of the Egnatia Experience, I would strongly advice any and all student pilots to avoid this school like the plague. The school has a fleet of 5 DA40's of which only 2 work, also 1 DA42 which suffers an unusual amount of engine failures. The Head of Training is an over zealous control freak and will think nothing of humiliating students for not being able to answer a question, then ground you for a few days to a week. It really just depends on what mood he's in on any particular day. You are often booked for slots without being told and then charged a no show fee when you don't turn up for a lesson you didn't know you had. Also slots are cancelled last minute without you being notified and for what seams to be no good reson. Special treatment is often given to the Greek students and everyone else is pushed to the side and made to wait. None of the students at the school are happy as the environment you are in is very oppressive. You are investing alot of money throughout your training and you need to have a stable encouraging environment in which to study. This is sadly not the case at Egnatia. ATPL ground school is given by students who have only just passed the exams themselves, so your not really getting qualitiy experience and guidence there. Overall is an experience best avoided, be smart and spend your precious time and money elswhere. 
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Not very nice reading, that. Best give it a miss then. AOPA's recent magazine had an article in it "Greece - Send us your GA" and went on about Greece becoming the centre for training in Europe (and even poaching the Florida market - given the collapse of the £ v $ the USA is looking less and less favourable). The article hinted at Egnatia being the flagship. Makes the above comments even more interesting.
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There is the usual glossy website and brochure, but you certainly don't get what you pay for here. If you read the previous comments it is clear that their problems are historical and they have done nothing to sort them out. My advice is to find a well known school with a fully operational large fleet, experienced and friendly instructors who are more than willing to help you and not humiliate you. It is worth paying a little extra for quality training.
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Skysiren
Making false accusations about Egnatia Aviation was because you were SACKED !!!!!
To potential students reading this particular topic, our "Skysiren" was a PPL FI.
After having 7 yes 7 students complaining about your training methods why was their a need to keep you on as an instructor, as for ground school, pupils feed back was that they were not getting the maximum information that was expected from your lectures.
We have team building excursions with a variety of activities from canoeing to bbq's and feel that this is a good enviroment to build in-house relations between students and instructors.
As for the Head of Training with over 20 years of experience, as you well know!! He is looking out for the SAFETY and WELFARE of our students here at Egnatia. However, if you feel that this is not the correct procedure then this was not the correct working enviroment for you.
As a PPL FI with very few hours, Egnatia Aviation feels betrayed by the trust and opportunities that were offered to you, so that you could gain more flight experience and a step forward in your career,this form of low character from yourself is a let down only on your behalf.
The excellent standard here at Egnatia Aviation is second to none and we advise all perspective students to contact us direct and come and see the professional facilities that we have to offer.
We look forward to hearing from you.
Making false accusations about Egnatia Aviation was because you were SACKED !!!!!
To potential students reading this particular topic, our "Skysiren" was a PPL FI.
After having 7 yes 7 students complaining about your training methods why was their a need to keep you on as an instructor, as for ground school, pupils feed back was that they were not getting the maximum information that was expected from your lectures.
We have team building excursions with a variety of activities from canoeing to bbq's and feel that this is a good enviroment to build in-house relations between students and instructors.
As for the Head of Training with over 20 years of experience, as you well know!! He is looking out for the SAFETY and WELFARE of our students here at Egnatia. However, if you feel that this is not the correct procedure then this was not the correct working enviroment for you.
As a PPL FI with very few hours, Egnatia Aviation feels betrayed by the trust and opportunities that were offered to you, so that you could gain more flight experience and a step forward in your career,this form of low character from yourself is a let down only on your behalf.
The excellent standard here at Egnatia Aviation is second to none and we advise all perspective students to contact us direct and come and see the professional facilities that we have to offer.
We look forward to hearing from you.
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Here is just great
Hello,
I'm a from Italy and following FAA conversion and the ATPL groundschool. I enjoy my time here, with good instructors and nice people that are working here. I have been in many flight schools and now in Egnatia Aviation, this is the best one till now!!! At the moment all the diamonds are flying (singles and twin) also the two AT-3. Every student is treated the same way, no matter where you come from.
It is an easy way to talk **** about the school if you just lost the job because all seven students complained about this instructor. Even the atpl students. Not really professional right??!!
If you want to know how everything is going on here? Come over, and take a look.
Regards,
Egnatia student
I'm a from Italy and following FAA conversion and the ATPL groundschool. I enjoy my time here, with good instructors and nice people that are working here. I have been in many flight schools and now in Egnatia Aviation, this is the best one till now!!! At the moment all the diamonds are flying (singles and twin) also the two AT-3. Every student is treated the same way, no matter where you come from.
It is an easy way to talk **** about the school if you just lost the job because all seven students complained about this instructor. Even the atpl students. Not really professional right??!!
If you want to know how everything is going on here? Come over, and take a look.
Regards,
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Do your home work, I am not an ex instructor but an ex student, and everything I have written is true and factual. Can you really deny any of it when so many current and ex students feel the same way !!!!
Good luck to the instructor anyway he deserves better.
Do your home work, I am not an ex instructor but an ex student, and everything I have written is true and factual. Can you really deny any of it when so many current and ex students feel the same way !!!!
Good luck to the instructor anyway he deserves better.
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egnatia again, and again, and again.......
Once again the Egnatia aviation debate rises again.
It has to be said that this school does seem to get more negative press on PPRUNE than any other JAA school in Europe. Take from that what you will.
And yet again, Egnatia are ready with their response, rather badly thought out and bordering on what can only be described as 'un-professional'. You really should not point fingers at people, remember aviation is meant to be a no blame culture, and is a very small world (as you are experiencing).
Have a little bit more professionalism and don't respond to posts. i dont see many other schools responding like you do, or even responding at all.
give up on the BBQ's and canoeing, your teaching commercial flying, not social skills!! if you have poor instructor student relationships then look at why that is.
Grow up, get a life, and sort out your school.
It has to be said that this school does seem to get more negative press on PPRUNE than any other JAA school in Europe. Take from that what you will.
And yet again, Egnatia are ready with their response, rather badly thought out and bordering on what can only be described as 'un-professional'. You really should not point fingers at people, remember aviation is meant to be a no blame culture, and is a very small world (as you are experiencing).
Have a little bit more professionalism and don't respond to posts. i dont see many other schools responding like you do, or even responding at all.
give up on the BBQ's and canoeing, your teaching commercial flying, not social skills!! if you have poor instructor student relationships then look at why that is.
Grow up, get a life, and sort out your school.
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wrong approach to a sensitive matter
Dear all and especially you SKYSIREN,
First of all i started worrying a lot about this school since the last posts. I said before that i have a very close friend studying there and because i worry and care about his future i contacted him advising to leave the school immediatelly.
Dont know why he ignored me. I dont think the management pay the students to make good comments... especially in a sector where the training is costly and intensive. That is PILOT TRAINING. I dont know the school as i will visit them shortly not about training but for a pleasure flight or a backseat and lets call it a long weekend rest with my friend. What i get though from my friend is that things are working perfectly and no problem exists. That is all i have to say about the school.
Now i see some sort of hate against this FTO and trying to understand why. I truly believe that the current students are right about skysiren. All of them have made it clear that she is the 'SACKED' ex-instructor. I dont want to agree with that as by being a profesional pilot myself i dont see skysiren's attitude as a professional one. It is a shame if it is true. To be honest my information sais that the instructor sacked end of October. Here i see a person joining pprune on the 28th of October and posting directly against this school.
I want to let people have their own conclusions about this person and the school too. If it was an airline sacking a not suitable or dangerous for the role Captain we would have been grateful. Why not now if skysiren is the ex instructor as it looks like it.
I am 100% sure that skysiren is trying to play a game here against others. SKYSIREN your siren only alerts me about the dangerous you and nothing else.
I wont say to anybody to join this school as i DO NOT know it. I do get very good comments from an insider who is spending his fortune to achieve his dream and he is happy about what he gets from them. Once again i would like to urge people to contact the schools directly or even vist them. DO NOT RELY 100% on forums. I wont post on this thread again as the reason i am a pprune member is obviously NOT this school.
Wish you all the best!!!
First of all i started worrying a lot about this school since the last posts. I said before that i have a very close friend studying there and because i worry and care about his future i contacted him advising to leave the school immediatelly.
Dont know why he ignored me. I dont think the management pay the students to make good comments... especially in a sector where the training is costly and intensive. That is PILOT TRAINING. I dont know the school as i will visit them shortly not about training but for a pleasure flight or a backseat and lets call it a long weekend rest with my friend. What i get though from my friend is that things are working perfectly and no problem exists. That is all i have to say about the school.
Now i see some sort of hate against this FTO and trying to understand why. I truly believe that the current students are right about skysiren. All of them have made it clear that she is the 'SACKED' ex-instructor. I dont want to agree with that as by being a profesional pilot myself i dont see skysiren's attitude as a professional one. It is a shame if it is true. To be honest my information sais that the instructor sacked end of October. Here i see a person joining pprune on the 28th of October and posting directly against this school.
I want to let people have their own conclusions about this person and the school too. If it was an airline sacking a not suitable or dangerous for the role Captain we would have been grateful. Why not now if skysiren is the ex instructor as it looks like it.
I am 100% sure that skysiren is trying to play a game here against others. SKYSIREN your siren only alerts me about the dangerous you and nothing else.
I wont say to anybody to join this school as i DO NOT know it. I do get very good comments from an insider who is spending his fortune to achieve his dream and he is happy about what he gets from them. Once again i would like to urge people to contact the schools directly or even vist them. DO NOT RELY 100% on forums. I wont post on this thread again as the reason i am a pprune member is obviously NOT this school.
Wish you all the best!!!
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Ok CB Lover,
You don't seam to have a very reliable source of information from your so called friend. Why don't you ask the school about the 15 + students that left the school in the past 12 months due to being unhappy. Or the unflyable DA40's sat on the ramp for months. Also all the previous students who have the same factual knowledge as I do regarding the schools problems. Maybe you should know what you're taking about before you post. When you visit your friend you should ask the few remaining students what they really think about the school.
So what if I only joined in October, seams like you getting 7 from 2+2 ???
You don't seam to have a very reliable source of information from your so called friend. Why don't you ask the school about the 15 + students that left the school in the past 12 months due to being unhappy. Or the unflyable DA40's sat on the ramp for months. Also all the previous students who have the same factual knowledge as I do regarding the schools problems. Maybe you should know what you're taking about before you post. When you visit your friend you should ask the few remaining students what they really think about the school.
So what if I only joined in October, seams like you getting 7 from 2+2 ???
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not ok skysiren.
maths was never my favourite subject but i do get 4 out of 2+2 unless hypoxic.
Look, before you became a pilot you were not a pilot. That is a fact. I dont care about your past. Why should i care about the DA40s who went tech months ago. I do care about the current situation and all the planes fly like they should be. Whats the catch? A ZERO out of 2+2. Every person who has some knowledge about the aviation world knows that THIELERT was facing with some problems. Obviously under those circumstances some planes can be grounded. Imagine if Rolls Royce experiences something like Thielert. Will it be Qanta's lets say fault that all the RB211 powered 747s are grounded? I DONT THINK SO. Do you? As a student or instructor there have you ever refused a plane for technical reasons except normal servicing? That is what people care on this topic. My friend actually is ahead of his schedule flyingwise. Mind you he is not Greek. Be realistic and give us facts not your opinion. My opinion is that egnatia is SUPER. Do you care about my opinion or about my facts and experiences? If you care about my opinon you have already lost the battle, so there is no point continuing this converation. I DO NOT care about your opinion and i expect to read facts from current students in here. Tell us which school we should join and why.... with facts. It looks like you pushing yourself to be negative about them. My last point is a question to you. If they have lost 15+ plus students and there are many more willing to leave why and how are they still operating? Especially with the current worldwide financial problems? Why are they getting a simulator and replacing the SACKED instructor with 3 new ones? Those are facts from an insider but my role as an outsider is not to mention them. I will be checking this thread looking for facts from current students and only.
To be honest i dont like your attitude at all and i warn you to change it or else you will lose in your life as a pilot. Your attitude makes me stop replying to you at this moment. I wish you all the best for your future within a nice huge with a large fleet school or an airliner.
p.s: let the wannabes participate here and not us. we did it.
maths was never my favourite subject but i do get 4 out of 2+2 unless hypoxic.
Look, before you became a pilot you were not a pilot. That is a fact. I dont care about your past. Why should i care about the DA40s who went tech months ago. I do care about the current situation and all the planes fly like they should be. Whats the catch? A ZERO out of 2+2. Every person who has some knowledge about the aviation world knows that THIELERT was facing with some problems. Obviously under those circumstances some planes can be grounded. Imagine if Rolls Royce experiences something like Thielert. Will it be Qanta's lets say fault that all the RB211 powered 747s are grounded? I DONT THINK SO. Do you? As a student or instructor there have you ever refused a plane for technical reasons except normal servicing? That is what people care on this topic. My friend actually is ahead of his schedule flyingwise. Mind you he is not Greek. Be realistic and give us facts not your opinion. My opinion is that egnatia is SUPER. Do you care about my opinion or about my facts and experiences? If you care about my opinon you have already lost the battle, so there is no point continuing this converation. I DO NOT care about your opinion and i expect to read facts from current students in here. Tell us which school we should join and why.... with facts. It looks like you pushing yourself to be negative about them. My last point is a question to you. If they have lost 15+ plus students and there are many more willing to leave why and how are they still operating? Especially with the current worldwide financial problems? Why are they getting a simulator and replacing the SACKED instructor with 3 new ones? Those are facts from an insider but my role as an outsider is not to mention them. I will be checking this thread looking for facts from current students and only.
To be honest i dont like your attitude at all and i warn you to change it or else you will lose in your life as a pilot. Your attitude makes me stop replying to you at this moment. I wish you all the best for your future within a nice huge with a large fleet school or an airliner.
p.s: let the wannabes participate here and not us. we did it.
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CB Lover, you really have been fed a bunch of lies. Ah well you'll soon find out. They're actions speak for them, as many a previous student will agree. Yes people who have actually been to the school. Not you who quite clearly has not. Enjoy wasting your time and money.
Oh and as for the warning, hahahahahhaha you know where you can shove that !!!!
Oh and as for the warning, hahahahahhaha you know where you can shove that !!!!
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There seems to be a slanging match going on here
Skysiren...... can i ask you a couple of things that you haven't mentioned.
How long were you at Egnatia ? and what course were you on?
were you one of the students that had the inexperienced instructor that everyone is talking about. Was she really that bad?
Did you finish your course on time and can you tell me about your training.
Don't you agree that it was a responsible decision made by Egnatia to sack an instructor who was incompetant and especially unsafe. After all, would you let a dentist or a doctor operate on you if they didn't know what they were doing. The students lives are in the instructors hands.
You metioned in a previous post that Egnatia is oppressive. Do you mean that you were treated harshly and cruelly, or do you mean the weather. It does get hot in Greece.
Looking forward to your response.
MZ
Skysiren...... can i ask you a couple of things that you haven't mentioned.
How long were you at Egnatia ? and what course were you on?
were you one of the students that had the inexperienced instructor that everyone is talking about. Was she really that bad?
Did you finish your course on time and can you tell me about your training.
Don't you agree that it was a responsible decision made by Egnatia to sack an instructor who was incompetant and especially unsafe. After all, would you let a dentist or a doctor operate on you if they didn't know what they were doing. The students lives are in the instructors hands.
You metioned in a previous post that Egnatia is oppressive. Do you mean that you were treated harshly and cruelly, or do you mean the weather. It does get hot in Greece.
Looking forward to your response.
MZ
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My view:
Greek CAA are one of the worst in customer service and license issue. I have heard of people waiting many months for license issue.
Greek ATC are not as compliant as UK ATC. This will cause you problems once you arrive back in the UK to fly.
PPL exams must all be taken at once. Thats all 7, now that is really bad.
The school has had problems with the JAR groundschool. Students have had to study themselves through distance learning even though they have paid for a residential course.
Even if all of these issues have been resolved which I seriously doubt , would you really want to pay a FTO who have no idea how to resolve basic operational issues?
It's your hard earned money, for a few extra hundred I would advise to train within the UK at a local school. You will atleast experience the least operational standards which Egnatia cannot provide.
G-XO
Greek CAA are one of the worst in customer service and license issue. I have heard of people waiting many months for license issue.
Greek ATC are not as compliant as UK ATC. This will cause you problems once you arrive back in the UK to fly.
PPL exams must all be taken at once. Thats all 7, now that is really bad.
The school has had problems with the JAR groundschool. Students have had to study themselves through distance learning even though they have paid for a residential course.
Even if all of these issues have been resolved which I seriously doubt , would you really want to pay a FTO who have no idea how to resolve basic operational issues?
It's your hard earned money, for a few extra hundred I would advise to train within the UK at a local school. You will atleast experience the least operational standards which Egnatia cannot provide.
G-XO
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My view:
I have had nothing to do with Egnatia Aviation but I have had experience dealing with Greek ATC. To say they are not compliant compared to UK is not true. Have you ever flown in Greece? I would say they are overly cautious and not confident when there's a lot of traffic, Ive been made to orbit for 5 minutes, whilst on downwind when an aircraft conducting a VOR approach was on his outbound leg 8 Miles out!
Theres also is the small fact that you have to file flight plans even to do touch and go's- oh and the General declaration from the airport authority, just to do circuits!!
Beautiful country to fly around though, great food, nice looking women- Would highly recommend it. Just choose your school WISELY.
Also to the previous argumentative posts- Dont air your dirty laundry in public!!! Looks really bad to potential students- I was a propective student, but after looking at those kind of comments and general bickering I chose to FAS Rhodes instead.
Thanks
I have had nothing to do with Egnatia Aviation but I have had experience dealing with Greek ATC. To say they are not compliant compared to UK is not true. Have you ever flown in Greece? I would say they are overly cautious and not confident when there's a lot of traffic, Ive been made to orbit for 5 minutes, whilst on downwind when an aircraft conducting a VOR approach was on his outbound leg 8 Miles out!
Theres also is the small fact that you have to file flight plans even to do touch and go's- oh and the General declaration from the airport authority, just to do circuits!!
Beautiful country to fly around though, great food, nice looking women- Would highly recommend it. Just choose your school WISELY.
Also to the previous argumentative posts- Dont air your dirty laundry in public!!! Looks really bad to potential students- I was a propective student, but after looking at those kind of comments and general bickering
I chose to FAS Rhodes instead.Thanks
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I'm an ex student of egnatia,i've completed there just a conversion last summer and this is my experience:
Great brand new planes
I did the course with the minimum flight time required
Most important they have excellent standard and they demand high level of commitment from their students.
I saw the discussion in the previous post about the chief pilot..
Well honestly he doesn't make you feel so good during the flight but it's just because he wants to show him the best you can and your skills.
I don't see anything wrong,that's the way to push the students.
Sometimes can happen that the planes goes tech,it's normal,in every schools happen!
In my case they provided to me another one straight after to complete my course;
At the end i'm happy that i chose egnatia.
Great brand new planes
I did the course with the minimum flight time required
Most important they have excellent standard and they demand high level of commitment from their students.
I saw the discussion in the previous post about the chief pilot..
Well honestly he doesn't make you feel so good during the flight but it's just because he wants to show him the best you can and your skills.
I don't see anything wrong,that's the way to push the students.
Sometimes can happen that the planes goes tech,it's normal,in every schools happen!
In my case they provided to me another one straight after to complete my course;
At the end i'm happy that i chose egnatia.
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Hello again.
Skysiren,
You haven't answered my questions and it's been 7 days. You have been so fast with your responses to the other posts, why not mine?
Potential pilots are ready to make informed decisions based on comments from students who have experienced good and bad flight schools.
Please reply to my previous questions. I'm sure that many people are waiting.
MYZ
Skysiren,
You haven't answered my questions and it's been 7 days. You have been so fast with your responses to the other posts, why not mine?
Potential pilots are ready to make informed decisions based on comments from students who have experienced good and bad flight schools.
Please reply to my previous questions. I'm sure that many people are waiting.
MYZ
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stupity yet again
maxine z,
I can only assume you are not the marketing manager of Egnatia Aviation, since you have dragged this post up again, just when it had dropped off the bottom of the page! perhaps not a smart move.
Professionalism is very important in aviation, and since you work for the school you should perhaps show some.
I think it is fair to say that you antagonising people into responding (whether good or bad) may not help students make informed decisions. Indeed it just makes you and the school look rather pathetic.
I have taken the time to read the other threads today, which many other 'potential' students will also do. They do not paint a very good picture of the school, and the only positive responses seem rather fake, in my opinion. Indeed the director DL seems to get the most criticism, second only to the CFI. They both sound like real nice people!!! You do seem to have a core support of bad press, again from the same individuals who may (or may not be) be agreeved students or instructors.
Take some advice and drop the 'how dare you' approach. Business is business, some people get on, some dont.
you are only burning your bridges posting on here.
have a nice day.
I can only assume you are not the marketing manager of Egnatia Aviation, since you have dragged this post up again, just when it had dropped off the bottom of the page! perhaps not a smart move.
Professionalism is very important in aviation, and since you work for the school you should perhaps show some.
I think it is fair to say that you antagonising people into responding (whether good or bad) may not help students make informed decisions. Indeed it just makes you and the school look rather pathetic.
I have taken the time to read the other threads today, which many other 'potential' students will also do. They do not paint a very good picture of the school, and the only positive responses seem rather fake, in my opinion. Indeed the director DL seems to get the most criticism, second only to the CFI. They both sound like real nice people!!! You do seem to have a core support of bad press, again from the same individuals who may (or may not be) be agreeved students or instructors.
Take some advice and drop the 'how dare you' approach. Business is business, some people get on, some dont.
you are only burning your bridges posting on here.
have a nice day.