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I am gutted and quite literally worried. After a year of everything going wrong I have just found out that loans are no longer available through Barclays for the Stapleford courses.
I am half way through my training and I am now going to be stuck until I can get some sort of help. I don't have mummy or daddy to help me and was relying on this. They only advertised these loans for three months and they've gone! what's happened?
Had a look at Stapleford Flight Centre the other day and was most impressed by their facilities. Have seen threads slagging off other well known FTO's but only read positive things about Stapleford. Would grateful to hear from others who have trained with them recently were you successful in gaining employment. They say that their reputation is growing with the airlines.
I went to Stapleford a few weeks ago to check it out. I'm sure its a very professional outfit, but for me I felt something wasn't quite right.
I went there just for an informal chat about CPL/IR training, yet rather than going for a tea or coffee together to discuss, I was sat in an office with the head of training, and it just felt as though I was in an interview. I also felt the head of training was rather arrogant, I got the vibe that I was just taking up his time.
Don't get me wrong, I've not done any training there. The above opinion is expressed purely on first imprssions. For me though, one of the most important things about an FTO is the "approachability" of the training staff, and I just didn't see that there.
That's a real shame, The main reason I choose stapleford was because of it's approachabilty and the way the made me feel welcome when I first visited. I guess you could have caught them on a busy day, but there is no excuse for making you feel that way, shame as on the whole they have been superb with me and I would be happy to recomend them to anyone..
If you weren't comfortable then you made the right decision to walk away. Good luck with the rest of your training.
I am a recent graduate from Stapleford and I found their training and instructors to be very good. My hour building, CPL, ME, IR was done through Stapleford and I then went on to do my MCC at PARC Aviation in Dublin. My PPL was done at Shoreham where I am currently flying.
I did the CPL first and then went on to the ME and IR which is a natural progression as you start off flying a Warrior then progressing to the Arrow. The skills you learned during the PPL are improved such as PFL's and navigation and you get a good introduction to flying complex aircraft and the use of instruments. I had a good instructor who helped me through the CPL and he trained me to a higher standard than is needed to pass the CPL Test.
Then I progressed to the Seneca. Having flown a complex during the CPL helped.
The IR for me was the most enjoyable part of the training. The DA42 simulator is excellent and I found the transition to the aircraft virtually seamless just a few extra factors to contend with. Having flown the Seneca I can appreciate how much better it is to fly the Twin Star. My instructors were very good and its thanks to their help and training, as well as a sh*t load of hard work, that I passed first time. Nearly everyone I know achieved a pass first time.
Having to fly to Southend is not a big deal it takes a couple of minutes to get there and before you know it you are being RADAR vectored for the ILS. Southend has a 3.5 degree approach and the NDB procedures are quite difficult to begin with. Flying approaches at Southend helped strengthen the skills I learned. I also had the opportunity to fly to Calais to do ILS, NDB approaches as well as a few holds. I paired up with another student at the start of the IR training and we shared the costs of the flight and I back seated all of his flights and most of his sim sessions giving me a clearer understanding of the procedures. Again flying to Cranfield for the IR test was not a problem. Two students go together with an instructor to share costs and I had the opportunity to go there before my test to do a hold, and a single engine NDB, which helped me on the day, as I knew what to expect.
In Response to Sky Wave, the DA42 has FADEC and EFIS which takes SOME of the workload off the pilot so you can spend more time managing the flight and concentrating on the procedures. The DA42 operates like a 737, for example you use the throttles to set a % Load so for an ILS on a normal day you set around 60% Load. If you fly a 737-using %N1 then you set around 58% or 1.3 EPR if flying a classic. No manifold pressure or inches to worry about as well as mixture!! Also you can fly more accurately with EFIS. When receiving RADAR Vectors and instructions you can bug both your heading and altitude and use the systems in a similar way to a pilot using the MCP, (Mode Control Panel) on his/her 737. After my IR I went to PARC Aviation to do my MCC on an Aer Lingus full motion 737-200 simulator, non-EFIS, and I flew for 20 hours without the use of the autopilot which was hard work. The DA42 did not have a negative affect on my flying and my aircraft handling was good throughout the simulator sessions. Having flown the DA42, I feel it helped me to fly the 737 sim effectively and being used to FADEC, I was well prepared and found setting up the 737 on a ILS similar to setting up the Twin Star on an ILS.
All the training I received through Stapleford and PARC has given me a good set of skills and experience, that I can now build upon and will help me to achieve my goals. I would like to thank Colin and the rest of the Stapleford team including Brian and Steve for their excellent training and help. I have recommended Stapleford to friends who will start their training in the near future.
All the best and good luck to those starting their training.
Last edited by Kazakhstan; 30th Jul 2006 at 17:28.
I was there doing a PPL, IMC and night rating; along with a little bit of hour building between mid Oct 2005 and February 2006 and know of a few guys who were completing their CPL/IR's in that time who landed jobs with Thomas Cook, Easyjet (via CTC after training was completed), Astraeus and Ryanair almost straight after they left! I'm sure there are more..
Like it or not, modern EFIS equiped twins like the DA42 is the way the world is moving (finally!) EFIS and the concept of flying with a 'stick' rather than a conventional column is nothing new, and it is about time the GA/Flight training world embraced the 21st century (or actually the 20th if you think about it!) I even think Piper have come into this line of thinking!!!
As for chosing a flight training organisation, chose one where you believe you will be happy and where you think you will prosper; thats why I chose Stapleford.
And if your dream is to fly for Air Malta, then you will be more than likely be flying an Airbus with ultra modern electronic displays and a stick rather than a column!!!
I agree with you Kilo, I'm in the process of trying to accept the new EFIS oriented cockpits...:-)
But, isn't stapleford not approved to do integrated courses? Only FTE, OAT and Cabair are approved for integrated, no? Stapleford seems great... can you also tell me how much it actually cost you there?
I agree with you Kilo, I'm in the process of trying to accept the new EFIS oriented cockpits...:-) But, isn't stapleford not approved to do integrated courses? Only FTE, OAT and Cabair are approved for integrated, no? Stapleford seems great... can you also tell me how much it actually cost you there?
There are only a handful of places that do intergrated, and that is beacuse they do inhouse ATPL training. I think there is this new system coming out which is suppopsed to be a cross between intergrated and modular. Dont ask me how it works, but its some CAA thing, so we will see if it ever happens. Full costs are on the website, i think zero to hero is about £29,000, but as someone who is almost finished here at stapleford, i can tell you, what ever you think it is going to cost, make sure you have AT LEAST 25-30% extra factored in. Realistically, around £33,000 for accomodation, test fees, landing fees, approach fees. Remember, durring your training you will have to pay at least £2000 in exam fees alone!!!
As for thinking that you are more likely to get a job if you do intergrated, to be totally honest, it seems to be more about where you do your MCC than anything else, and at the end of the day, a flying school doesn't get you an interview or a job. how many attempts at passing skills tests, what your CV looks like, and most importantly, not making a total arse of yourself in an interview, thats going to get you a job. If you dont sell yourself, no one else will
Finally raised every single penny to embark on an intergrated course here in the UK. Going for my class 1 in a fortnight and have been advised by a pilot friend that i wont have any problems with it. Trusting that goes to plan i should be knee deep by christmas.
After weeks of deliberation i have set my sights on Stapleford flight centre as opposed to OAT & FTE.
SFC offer all ratings here in The UK as well as the infamous 100 hours B737 line training.
Has anyone been on this course? Any feedback? Any alternative institutions?
Ruffino in the nicest possible way YOU NEED to introduce yourself to the CAA website and check out who is and isn't approved and for what. Then download a copy of LASORS 2006 and read the relevant bits of that.
Think of it this way. Would you buy a house without a survey? Then when you have found out that Stapleford are not approved for integrated training then you can think further as to the pros and cons of going with them or elsewhere. Good luck.