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Old 26th Aug 2014, 07:48
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as a scot,wishing I wasn't, will I have to apply for dual nationality as I live in England? a half serious question
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Old 26th Aug 2014, 08:04
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We according to the latest theory...

You will keep what you have got.

You will then have a choice as a born scot to apply for a Scottish passport.

Your kids will be able to as well if they are born in anywhere else.

Quite what happens out after that nobody knows in the unlikely event it actually happens.
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Old 26th Aug 2014, 08:10
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And what would happen to your part-FCL pilot licence in the (hopefully) unlikely event of an independent Scotland - which would be outside the UK, EU and de facto EASA?

Has the idiot Salmond indicated whether a 'Scottish Aviation Authority' would be created to administer all those regulatory requirements currently undertaken by the UK CAA and NATS? Such as pilot licensing, maintenance oversight, airspace regulation.....
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Old 26th Aug 2014, 08:12
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If Scotland gains independence ... will they please keep James Naughtie!
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Old 26th Aug 2014, 08:24
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Beagle, The EU debate seems to have gone quiet at the moment, but Salmond's plan has always to have Scotland IN the EU.

The question is whether ceding countries inherit the treaties of their parent
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Old 26th Aug 2014, 08:25
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one positive might be that the wife's family might have to stay up there
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Old 26th Aug 2014, 08:25
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Won't change Beagle you don't need to live in an EASA state to hold one.

in the unlikely event, what will happen to aviation in Scotland is going to be interesting.

But current pilots will just keep on going as they are just now.

Scottish ATO's though will be stuffed with EASA fee's if they want to keep their offshore approvals.

Can't see anyone changing there AOC's or aircraft reg's
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Old 26th Aug 2014, 08:42
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Cruel as it is to mock the afflicted, in a way it would be almost good for the Independence lot to win, because in 5 years they would be like the guy outside the cockpit of Tony Hancock's plane "Can I come in". Without their own currency, there would be no central bank, no control of financial regulators so no control of the economy, no financial institutions because no regulator. Salmond is playing on the emotion he claims to despise and has no real plan for how an independent Scotland would manage itself. On the other hand , if he loses, he is off into a black hole somewhere never to be seen again, hopefully. My one and only rant on the subject "Rant" now "off"

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Old 26th Aug 2014, 08:47
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I don't think it will be as bad as some make out, but I am sure it won't be as they make out.

There is between 10-15% minimum split between Yes and No and about 4.5 mill voters.

I can't see them getting half a mil to change their minds from No to yes even though Salmond did put up a good show last night.

So I am afraid your not going to be able to get shot of your fat biffa jocks if that was your hope.
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Old 26th Aug 2014, 09:07
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I just can't believe nobody commented on your picture mad_jock! She is very pretty!

Did you marry her by any chance?
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Old 26th Aug 2014, 09:27
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The thinking has been done, but, quite rightly, the Gov isn't going to waste time and money on the subject until they know it's needed. SNP can make all the claims they like about Defence, currency, etc, but there is no policy as yet, just empty promises by Mr S.

https://www.gov.uk/government/upload...aper-FINAL.pdf

http://henryjacksonsociety.org/wp-co...rt-LOW-RES.pdf
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Old 26th Aug 2014, 09:36
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Originally Posted by newt
She is very pretty!
She's got a face?!
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Old 26th Aug 2014, 09:51
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Not withstanding the fact that fitting floats to the typhoons so they can operate out of Faslane, so as to preserve the jobs there as the wee man promised, would be perhaps a bit tricky...is he planning on calling on Macgyver?
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Old 26th Aug 2014, 10:31
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Having flown out of Kinloss (ghost town), Lossie (no room in the mess) and Leuchars (ghost town to be) in the last few weeks - my dream ("I have a dream..") would be:

Casa 295 with MPA pallets at Kinloss
Gripens at Lossie
Tutor/Tucano/King Air at Leuchars (EFT & AFT)

Rotary - dunno - central belt somewhere. Specialist training contracted out

Nothing like the capability but a lot cheaper. And we couldnt get dragged into a few foreign adventures by the septics because the kit is all short range and limited capability!

Oh and before anyone asks, I'm English and off to the Royal Lincolnshire Airforce for the next tour - bye bye scenery.....
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Old 26th Aug 2014, 10:38
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Did anyone else notice this?

Mr Darling castigated Mr Salmon for 'failing to balance his books...."

Somewhat ironic for the chancellor who ran up the largest national debt in UK history,I suggest?
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Old 26th Aug 2014, 10:46
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No didn't marry her.

But she isn't unique in the eastern European army's, the tattoo in Latvia is meant to be particularly pleasant on the eye.

I don't think the uniform would work quite as well with some of our girls.
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Old 26th Aug 2014, 11:25
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Things are looking up! Just found out that Michelle Mone plans to move to England if there is a Yes vote!
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Old 26th Aug 2014, 11:26
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This is what Mr Thin Pinstriped Line thought about the air force proposals in the SNP's white paper:

http://thinpinstripedline.********.c...ottish_30.html

So in summary, the proposals for the SDF Air Force appear to be built around the concept of operating a very expensive and enormously capable fighter jet purely for QRA, while introducing an aged and nearly out of service transport aircraft into an environment where it has never been based before. It assumes that this will be done on a manpower ceiling capable of retaining key personnel, and recruiting / training more staff through a training and ground school environment which doesn't yet exist and would be extortionately expensive to create. All of this will be done within a shared wider budget of £2.5 billion.

Bluntly the sums don’t add up, the manpower totals don’t add up, and the ability to generate a long term and credible airforce is probably in doubt due to the lack of thought about the training and support implications of the plan.
(For "********" read "b l o g s p o t")

'Nuff said!

Oh and as for civil aviation, this is all the white paper says:
We propose to retain the current regulatory framework governing aviation on independence through a memorandum of understanding with the Civil Aviation Authority (CAA). The CAA will report to the Scottish Government on regulatory matters affecting aviation in Scotland.

Building on this initial arrangement an independent Scotland can develop its own regulatory body in due course.
Obviously a great deal of thought and research has gone into that...
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Old 26th Aug 2014, 11:27
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Aye but that's offset with your keeping Edith Bowman whether you like it or not.
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Old 26th Aug 2014, 12:16
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As long as Susan Boyle is north of Hadrian's wall, we'll consider it a win/win situation.
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