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Old 30th May 2012, 15:26   #61 (permalink)
 
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The struggle continues .

The struggle continues
Members of Hava-Is have announced a new wave of ‘resistance’ protests in a bid to see off legislation outlawing strike action in the aviation industry.
The workers have pledged to renew their protests at Ataturk International Airport, a key Turkish Airlines’ hub, from 17:00 on 30 May.
This latest action builds on a ‘mass sick leave’ protest, which disrupted aviation services on 29 May, the day the amendment introducing the strike ban across the aviation industry was to be presented to the parliament’s plenary session.
Atilay Ayçin, Hava-Is president, explained: “This will be an open-ended protest. For us this is a question of all or nothing. We will either win or be smashed. There is no other option as we have no intention of becoming a non-functioning union.”
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Old 20th Jun 2012, 18:21   #62 (permalink)
 
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Any things change?
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Old 2nd Jul 2012, 08:53   #63 (permalink)
 
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Now different agencies are accepting applications again for virtually all fleets, captains and first officers.
The positions are advertised as "permanent" this time.
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Old 2nd Jul 2012, 10:04   #64 (permalink)
 
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Does anyone know if there are any other changes in the T&C?
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Old 2nd Jul 2012, 14:44   #65 (permalink)
 
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Allegedly they are unchanged, except for the contract duration.
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Old 3rd Jul 2012, 05:28   #66 (permalink)
 
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Last time around the contracts were also advertised as Permanent by the agencies... to lure the applicants to their agency.... more applicants is more bucks
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Old 3rd Jul 2012, 10:07   #67 (permalink)
 
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It will be a Permanent contract until they don't need you!! NO JOB SECURITY HERE!!

Would be nice if they gave their current expat pilots a permanent contract before advertising this outside
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Old 3rd Jul 2012, 18:36   #68 (permalink)
 
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Hey guys.

I would like to introduce myself. I'm in what Emirates call "F/O pool" which means I passed the assessment but I'm waiting for course date.
We've been already advised that it may take up to January 2013 or so, and, as I'm currently unemployed I've decided to start looking for something else.

Obviously the perfect job could be a 6 months well paid contract but there's nothing out there.

So, I'm thinking seriously in Turkish. I've received an email from a broker and I've applied for the F/O on the 737. I'm above the minimums required by the airline (about 3000hrs on the 738) The problem is that I wonder what happens if I pass the assessment, I start working for Turkish let's say for 6 or 7 months and then I receive a DOJ for Emirates.
My intentions are clear, leave wherever I'll be. EK is my priority right now.

Does Turkish bond you?

I've heared from some colleagues working there that they did around 9 simulators when joining. Obviously they were already rated on the type Turkish operates but, as long as they did that big amount of sims, they had some point in the contract saying they need to stay for the whole year.

Is that true? If yes, what happens if you leave? Do they ask you for money?

That's it. I'm just looking for some job to make some money and hours while waiting for EK and wondering if going to Turkish could be a good idea or just a head-ache!

Thank you!
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Old 4th Jul 2012, 06:14   #69 (permalink)
 
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Training will take 4 month.
Yes, they will claim money if u do not fulfill the contract.
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Old 4th Jul 2012, 08:51   #70 (permalink)
 
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@ archer

Try this, 6 months contract....

(UPDATED) B737-EFIS TRI Captain and First Officer ? 6 Month Summer Contract - Europe - FD (436)-Latest Pilot Jobs-Latest Pilot Jobs

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Old 4th Jul 2012, 10:44   #71 (permalink)
 
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Thank you guys for the info.

niss

I've been looking in the conditions and there is nothing like bond. Is about local law which says a worker not complying with a temporal contract must pay for the remaining of it?
I guess then the amount of money to pay is X months left by basic salary each. Could be a lot of money then.

CaptainProp

I will re-apply but the first time they just forgot me.
I have to say that all my 3k hours on the 737 are in the NG. Seems like companies and recruiters like to much to make difference between NG and EFIS which in my opinion is stupid. My TR in my JAA ATPL license says B737-300/900. To pass from NG to CL and so you only need a difference course which usually means a couple of ground classes and 1 sim. Not a big deal but...

Thanks!!!
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Old 4th Jul 2012, 10:47   #72 (permalink)
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Dear All, I am new to this forum. Going for Turkish screening on 8th July. Can anyone has any idea what to expect for written and sims?
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Old 4th Jul 2012, 15:14   #73 (permalink)
 
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THY interview for FO's

Hello,

may i ask you if you have any info. concerning the latest assessment carried out by THY for joining Fo's. I really appreciate any info.
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Old 7th Jul 2012, 21:23   #74 (permalink)
 
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Hi guys,I'm a FO with A330 type rating,and just checked Parc Aviation jon review then found out the oppoutunity.Wondering anybody knows about the salary package and the environment in Turkish Airlines?

I appreciate
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Old 23rd Jul 2012, 18:48   #75 (permalink)
 
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No need for a union ?

So the dear Mr Hamdi TOPÇU, Chairman Of The Board Of Directors, is going to cover the inflation so his employees have not lost any money over the last two years where he has not bothered about completing the 2011 negotiations and it looks like he is planning all by himself without any unionforce to give 30 days vacation to all like in most competing companies instead of only 20 days a year including monthly OFF Days as the THY pilots and Expats have it offered right now (not the first year of course, only after first year of employment) - does he not tell THY employees are better off than compeeting companies ? while working 1000 Blockhours a year in a chaotic schedule

Noone can believe a man who needs his friends in the government to enforce a "No Strike Law" to run a company.
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Old 23rd Jul 2012, 19:51   #76 (permalink)
 
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Does anyone understand that letter??
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Old 23rd Jul 2012, 21:35   #77 (permalink)
 
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Turkish must you guys difficult very language expat to be a learn for...
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Old 24th Jul 2012, 06:56   #78 (permalink)
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THYTHY Yes you are so right, it is a bit of a challenge to be Expat and try to stay up-to-date with informations from the Management. Lucky that most operational information from THY Managers are distributed in both Turkish and English.
What you see above from the Chairman is a very good sample of what happens when notifications are brought only in native language and we are left with only Google-Copy/Paste-Translate to get an idea of what is going on. With a little luck you might get the idea though :-)

No doubt the Chairman wants all of us to be proud and happy to be part of THY and no doubt he is trying to express his life as manager would be much easier without a Union to represent his workforce in the ongoing pay and work condition negotiations - Just a shame he does not put the same effort in closing these negotiations and settle the pay dispute for 2011-2012 and the work condition issues that at the present allows 110 Blockhours monthly in an ever changing schedule. Stalling such negotiations have never had a positive effect on production.

FLY SAFE out there :-)
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Old 30th Jul 2012, 19:11   #79 (permalink)
 
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Any info concerning A340 DEC assessment would be appreciated !!!!!
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Old 31st Jul 2012, 08:31   #80 (permalink)
 
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yanbancypilot and every one else posting here:
I would suggest you read your posts twice before pressing submit.

It is one thing to criticize an airline and its management and quite another to post statements that also bring an entire country and people into disrepute.

Also, Google Translate on a letter tends to come out all wrong especially in Turkish. If you can relay the original text I will be glad to summarize if not completely translate it.
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