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Hi guys,I'm a FO with A330 type rating,and just checked Parc Aviation jon review then found out the oppoutunity.Wondering anybody knows about the salary package and the environment in Turkish Airlines?
I appreciate
I appreciate
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No need for a union ?
So the dear Mr Hamdi TOPÇU, Chairman Of The Board Of Directors, is going to cover the inflation so his employees have not lost any money over the last two years where he has not bothered about completing the 2011 negotiations and it looks like he is planning all by himself without any unionforce to give 30 days vacation to all like in most competing companies instead of only 20 days a year including monthly OFF Days as the THY pilots and Expats have it offered right now (not the first year of course, only after first year of employment) - does he not tell THY employees are better off than compeeting companies ? while working 1000 Blockhours a year in a chaotic schedule
Noone can believe a man who needs his friends in the government to enforce a "No Strike Law" to run a company.
So the dear Mr Hamdi TOPÇU, Chairman Of The Board Of Directors, is going to cover the inflation so his employees have not lost any money over the last two years where he has not bothered about completing the 2011 negotiations and it looks like he is planning all by himself without any unionforce to give 30 days vacation to all like in most competing companies instead of only 20 days a year including monthly OFF Days as the THY pilots and Expats have it offered right now (not the first year of course, only after first year of employment) - does he not tell THY employees are better off than compeeting companies ? while working 1000 Blockhours a year in a chaotic schedule
Noone can believe a man who needs his friends in the government to enforce a "No Strike Law" to run a company.
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THYTHY 
Yes you are so right, it is a bit of a challenge to be Expat and try to stay up-to-date with informations from the Management. Lucky that most operational information from THY Managers are distributed in both Turkish and English.
What you see above from the Chairman is a very good sample of what happens when notifications are brought only in native language and we are left with only Google-Copy/Paste-Translate to get an idea of what is going on. With a little luck you might get the idea though :-)
No doubt the Chairman wants all of us to be proud and happy to be part of THY and no doubt he is trying to express his life as manager would be much easier without a Union to represent his workforce in the ongoing pay and work condition negotiations - Just a shame he does not put the same effort in closing these negotiations and settle the pay dispute for 2011-2012 and the work condition issues that at the present allows 110 Blockhours monthly in an ever changing schedule. Stalling such negotiations have never had a positive effect on production.
FLY SAFE out there :-)
Yes you are so right, it is a bit of a challenge to be Expat and try to stay up-to-date with informations from the Management. Lucky that most operational information from THY Managers are distributed in both Turkish and English. What you see above from the Chairman is a very good sample of what happens when notifications are brought only in native language and we are left with only Google-Copy/Paste-Translate to get an idea of what is going on. With a little luck you might get the idea though :-)
No doubt the Chairman wants all of us to be proud and happy to be part of THY and no doubt he is trying to express his life as manager would be much easier without a Union to represent his workforce in the ongoing pay and work condition negotiations - Just a shame he does not put the same effort in closing these negotiations and settle the pay dispute for 2011-2012 and the work condition issues that at the present allows 110 Blockhours monthly in an ever changing schedule. Stalling such negotiations have never had a positive effect on production.
FLY SAFE out there :-)
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yanbancypilot and every one else posting here:
I would suggest you read your posts twice before pressing submit.
It is one thing to criticize an airline and its management and quite another to post statements that also bring an entire country and people into disrepute.
Also, Google Translate on a letter tends to come out all wrong especially in Turkish. If you can relay the original text I will be glad to summarize if not completely translate it.
I would suggest you read your posts twice before pressing submit.
It is one thing to criticize an airline and its management and quite another to post statements that also bring an entire country and people into disrepute.
Also, Google Translate on a letter tends to come out all wrong especially in Turkish. If you can relay the original text I will be glad to summarize if not completely translate it.
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Otto... why must you answer everything with such negativity. Surely you dont work for THY. Anyone who hates his employer with such passion as you (this is if you work for them) surely doesnt stay for more than a month or two. Assuming you are employable elsewhere...
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Deja Vu
I seem to agree with "Payscale", the problem is not THY and it's brutally yours management; the problem lies in the quality of pilots working for THY. Let me give you an illustration that was rather frustrating, most recently coming from the Yabanci forum admin, and I quote:
"18. July some money just showed up on my Current Account in Yapi Kredi named "THYA-AVANS-ÖDEMESI" without any explanation.
A fair guess and with a little help from Google it looks like some kind of advance payment but for what and why.??
Have any of you heard any explanation ? Does it relate to normal pay and Ramadan or does it relate to the 23. Bargin negotiations ?
This guy runs the Yabanci pilot forum for THY, and naively want's to know why and how he got a "bone" thrown out in his bank account by THY?
Has this individual heard of COLA? (Cost of living adjustment?) has anyone seen inflation and devaluation affecting their pockets monthly? Is the thieve known to you as it is known to me?
Forget Ramadan, Allah or T.Kotil would not spare a dime on Scandinavian origin pilots, specially after "The Politiken" made it clear to Turks they ain't gonna be approved beyond English level 2.
So charity starts at home, get educated or well informed. You are not going to conquer THY management by sucking "hortum" with naive and rather pathetic comments on your Yabanci forum. I vote for members "OUT", as this corner of little rats has become unbearable, at least to those of us dignified ones.
"18. July some money just showed up on my Current Account in Yapi Kredi named "THYA-AVANS-ÖDEMESI" without any explanation.
A fair guess and with a little help from Google it looks like some kind of advance payment but for what and why.??
Have any of you heard any explanation ? Does it relate to normal pay and Ramadan or does it relate to the 23. Bargin negotiations ?
This guy runs the Yabanci pilot forum for THY, and naively want's to know why and how he got a "bone" thrown out in his bank account by THY?
Has this individual heard of COLA? (Cost of living adjustment?) has anyone seen inflation and devaluation affecting their pockets monthly? Is the thieve known to you as it is known to me?
Forget Ramadan, Allah or T.Kotil would not spare a dime on Scandinavian origin pilots, specially after "The Politiken" made it clear to Turks they ain't gonna be approved beyond English level 2.
So charity starts at home, get educated or well informed. You are not going to conquer THY management by sucking "hortum" with naive and rather pathetic comments on your Yabanci forum. I vote for members "OUT", as this corner of little rats has become unbearable, at least to those of us dignified ones.
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I take it you are from the half occupied island my friend.. I have been to a screening in Istanbul, but you see my passport is from the free side of the island, and of course is not recognized, never mind if the rest of the world does..
So I was not hired but I guess they did me a favour, in all aspects
If the establishment has affected your life, and it has an impact on your everyday life, or you feel 'occupied' since 38 years ago, I can understand your thoughts 1000%.
I take it you are from the half occupied island my friend.. I have been to a screening in Istanbul, but you see my passport is from the free side of the island, and of course is not recognized, never mind if the rest of the world does..
So I was not hired but I guess they did me a favour, in all aspects
If the establishment has affected your life, and it has an impact on your everyday life, or you feel 'occupied' since 38 years ago, I can understand your thoughts 1000%.
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@yabancy #98
excellent ! You know exactly what you are talking about. Unfortuntely you must be an "insider" in Turkish aviation.
I couldn't write it better. I like to add, that all this we read heré is not a problem of just THY, not at all !
It's the same all over Turkey, with all Turkish operators. Intentionally I do not name them airlines.
It's all based in just their Turkish "culture" or at least what they believe their culture is.
Not to forget the heavy influence of all the Management guys with army-career which equals to Zero CRM in all divisions.
my 2 cents
excellent ! You know exactly what you are talking about. Unfortuntely you must be an "insider" in Turkish aviation.
I couldn't write it better. I like to add, that all this we read heré is not a problem of just THY, not at all !
It's the same all over Turkey, with all Turkish operators. Intentionally I do not name them airlines.
It's all based in just their Turkish "culture" or at least what they believe their culture is.
Not to forget the heavy influence of all the Management guys with army-career which equals to Zero CRM in all divisions.
my 2 cents
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Finally! I've been expecting sometime, someone will make it official!
Contract is on top of the complaint list presented to CEO on the one-and-only meeting so far with expats. It was said, promised that contracts will become permanent in short due time! That's five months ago, before THY has started recruitment again. It's not happening, renewals are offered for one year only.
So, top company officer has publicly lied!
Contract is on top of the complaint list presented to CEO on the one-and-only meeting so far with expats. It was said, promised that contracts will become permanent in short due time! That's five months ago, before THY has started recruitment again. It's not happening, renewals are offered for one year only.
So, top company officer has publicly lied!
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THY sense of permanency
The only permanent thing you can expect from this part of the world is the status quo; DO NOT COMMIT TO ANYONE.
It is the fool who always rushes to take sides. Do not commit to any side or cause but yourself. By maintaining your independence you become the master of others-playing people against each other, making them pursue you. There are tonnes of good jobs out there, be confident and patient, the last cry of the wolf was heard when they ran out of sheep
It is the fool who always rushes to take sides. Do not commit to any side or cause but yourself. By maintaining your independence you become the master of others-playing people against each other, making them pursue you. There are tonnes of good jobs out there, be confident and patient, the last cry of the wolf was heard when they ran out of sheep
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You need to be in the Kitchen, with that recipy you are the Star on every cooking Show.
100 % You hit the nail on the Head. Real wonder that they are in the Star Alliance, just Alliance, no Star.
100 % You hit the nail on the Head. Real wonder that they are in the Star Alliance, just Alliance, no Star.
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Those quys are something else! They pretend everything! The HR representative is an unf@c@ble "lady", with many inferiority complexes, and after the 6 !!!!!! hours CRM she pretends that she is interviewing....The sim assessment isn't bad, the pilots are ok, but the most important is the opinion of this , let's say..."lady".
From a team of 22 pilots on 320-330, no one was successful.
Is it just a coincidence?
Stay away from this crap.
Alliance, maybe, star? No way!
A bag full of s@it.
From a team of 22 pilots on 320-330, no one was successful.
Is it just a coincidence?
Stay away from this crap.
Alliance, maybe, star? No way!
A bag full of s@it.
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REFUGEE, my man, don't you know what is being said about Turks?
"Beware of Turks, even if they are presenting gifts"!
Next time ask, what is going on here.....
A terrible mess!
You just escaped !!!
HR is getting the stick, pilots are under control!
Be happy!
"Beware of Turks, even if they are presenting gifts"!
Next time ask, what is going on here.....
A terrible mess!
You just escaped !!!
HR is getting the stick, pilots are under control!
Be happy!
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