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Old 17th Jun 2011, 08:54   #61 (permalink)
 
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Thanks newcadet!

But you say, after the sectors you will get a contract or not. But I heard something else.

- 1st: Get the MPL License
- 2nd: Type Rating
- 3rd: 80 sectors of flying with Air Arabia
- 4th: 500hrs of line training
- 5th: Contract negotiating/Yes or no
- 6th: Air Arabia or sitting at home

I was told that it was something like that, but you say that the cadet will get the contract (or not) after the 3rd step right?

I was told that Air Arabia is in short of pilots, so they have started the MPL programme. If you do it well during the 80 sectors/500hrs of line training you will get the contract. You don't have to be a 'superb' pilot, is this right?

I have e-mailed the contactperson of AAA but didn't get any response (3 days now!).
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Old 17th Jun 2011, 13:45   #62 (permalink)
 
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As far as I know we get the contract after stage 3. Stage 4 is when your are earning a lower salary but you still hold the position of First Officer. You will earn 5,000 Dhs + free housing+ flying bonuses (about 2k dhs). After you have completed the 500 hours you will get the full salary of 28k dhs + flying bonuses. This is what i have been told but i could be wrongly informed.

Either way you are 99% guaranteed a job. You do not need to be a superb pilot. You just need to meet their minimum requirements. I have heard from a first officer in Air Arabia that the training he is receiving currently is the best in the world. He ha flown with Air France and Lufthansa and considers Air Arabia line training to be much better than them. Good news for us I guess!
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Old 17th Jun 2011, 16:15   #63 (permalink)
 
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Aha nice to hear! Very nice to hear haha!

Where do the cadets stay? Do they have own accomodation or do they stay at their parents? Are the most cadets nationals? Are their some foreigners on the course?

Is there been a cadet which isn't given a place at Air Arabia?

Suggest this position: a cadet which got his licences through this scheme and got accepted at Air Arabia. After flying some years and have a total of 3,000 total flight time, they are eligible for some major carriers, like Emirates. But Emirates only accepts (now) ATPL and not MPL. But after 1,500 of total flight time the cadet is eligible to transfer the MPL into a ATPL. After switching this the cadet flies some 1,500 hours more and the total flight time will be 3,000. Is the cadet then eligible for getting hired by Emirates or not? Do AA and EK have an agreement (like QR & EK) that the F/O's and Captains can't switch by the companies? Or can this be done?
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Old 17th Jun 2011, 20:14   #64 (permalink)
 
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The cadets usually stay at the flats provided by AA. It is some 2 mins drive from the sharjah airport. Atm only one person in AAA is a national. Rest are from Bahrain, Oman, India, Pakistan and UK.

Sadly, I cannot answer your remaining questions. At the moment no one from AAA has reached the stage that they can get a place in AA. They are atm in the A320 sim stage.

As for MPL, I think Emirates will in the future accept MPL student without converting to ATPL.
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Old 17th Jun 2011, 21:07   #65 (permalink)
 
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Aha thank you very much for answering my questions newcadet. I think wait and see what happens with the first cadets would the best idea. But it sounds really good! We'll see! Keep us updated homie!
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Old 25th Jun 2011, 07:46   #66 (permalink)
 
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Cadets?

Hi Newcadet23, what is the breakdown of the batches? I know that there is 9 cadets in Batch 1, but what about the others?

Txs,

Yannis
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Old 25th Jun 2011, 08:48   #67 (permalink)
 
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Not sure about the earlier batches. What I know for sure is that there are now 7 batches at AAA. Batch 5 and 6 have 10 students each. Batch 7 has 12.

Over all I think we have some 60 students.
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Old 25th Jun 2011, 19:57   #68 (permalink)
 
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@ Yannisfr

I can say, Batch 1 is 9, 2 is 8, 3 is 6, don't know about 4 (as some joined 5 & 6 or so) then 5 is 10, 6 is 10, 7 is 12 so a total of roughly 55 to 60

Guys, heads up, first batch will be graduating in August...best of luck to the following batches...any help, please let me know & as they always say, "knowledge is useless unless you share it"

A new update for anybody who wants to join AAG, Any batch joining (starting from August 2011), they will be finishing their training in a Max of 14 Months...EVERYTHING is settled & no delays afterall (I must get a commission for this Paragraph) !
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Old 26th Jun 2011, 13:55   #69 (permalink)
 
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Txs Malirm & Newcadet23

Let's see how the first batches will be integrated by the airline. For Batch 1,2 & 3 it shouldn't be difficult, but for the latest ones (5,6 & 7) that will be tricky... and they might be left on the side of the road after completion of the program

Lets take the last batch (7 or 8): if they are already in ground school, they should be finishing by end of the year.
Then CF, 3 months (till end of march 2012), FNPT2 3 months (end of june 2012), A320 SIM 3 months (end of sept 2012).

That means that they will be ready for air arabia by oct 2012. That means as well that all the previous batches (50 cadets) are already done with line training and are working with AA.

Seriously, How can it be possible ???

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Old 26th Jun 2011, 15:14   #70 (permalink)
 
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Why not? Air Arabia are recruiting on a constant basis. There are vacancies every month. Air Arabia are also on the process of buying new planes. Lets hope that we do get a job as soon as we are done with the MPL
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Old 26th Jun 2011, 15:25   #71 (permalink)
 
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I hope you are right but lets be realistic: how can air arabia train 50 cadets in 12 months???? They do not have enough TRI/TRE to take over this mass. It took more than 6 months for the first 7 cadets from clark. so that means max 15 a year, so more than 3.5 years to get in the 50 cadets, if all the seat are booked for them, and that is another game...

The 40 remaining planes on order are spread from now to 2016, 5.5 years from now, 4 in 2011, and 7 per year till 2016.

A part of them will replace the actual ones in leasing, final forecasted fleet in 2016: 50.
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Old 26th Jun 2011, 17:37   #72 (permalink)
 
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Agreed. But when they were recruiting those 7 students from clarke they were also recruiting from different sources. Very soon AA will only take students from Alpha.

So in this way they should be able to take alteast 30 students a year.
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Old 26th Jun 2011, 17:52   #73 (permalink)
 
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I agree, but they were not training the others, or from far away less....

Cross my fingers for you guys!
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Old 26th Jun 2011, 19:17   #74 (permalink)
 
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@ Mr. Yannisfr

With all of my respect , I want to clarify one thing, in MPL, there is no guaranteed JOB, you have a guaranteed line training, Getting a Job will depend upon your performance, NOT who joined first. The Clark MPLers (7) took all that time as they converted their MPL to GCAA MPL, then, Air Arabia had to provide a MPL Line training Syllabus to get it Certified by the GCAA, thats about 2.5 months at least...then they joined the Line Training with the other CPL/IR trainees...etc.

Air Arabia Currently has 18 TRI/Es & I heard that they are upgrading more Captains, the nice thing in MPL is that, you'll need less line training sectors online than a normal CPL/IR cadet...thus giving way to others, you can ask some of the Air Arabia Junior FOs how much it took them to finish the line training...non of them will have the same number of sectors or hours...it is strictly a Performance related process...if you are good enough, you are released with the Minimum required Sectors, if not & you have the Potential, you'll need more sectors...etc.One thing I have to mention here...not all the guys who get the SO position make it through to the FO position...so, you must have an extra Buffer for Failures too !

The GCAA requires Line training for the MPL cadets from the Partner Airline & by law, its a MPLers right to have the Line Training, NOT a JOB...unless you are a risk to Civil Aviation Safety, e.g. you just FREEZE on EVERY go-around !

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Old 11th Jul 2011, 16:26   #75 (permalink)
 
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Malirm

A lot of airlines are recruiting in India, any indian students? Is there any agreement between Alpha aviation and any indian airline?
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Old 21st Jul 2011, 00:44   #76 (permalink)
 
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Sorry for the late reply. Yes there are a lot of indian student at alpha. The answer to ur question is No. The agreement is only with Air Arabia
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Old 28th Jul 2011, 09:56   #77 (permalink)
 
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Question To all the students at AAS (Alpha Aviation Sharjah)

Just to collate all the questions & to clarify for myself & hopefully others can the students at Alpha answer the following:

//1// Is the line training (80 sectors) guaranteed in the AED 440,000 fees? Is it in the contract?

//2// Are the 12 TO & landings part of the course & will they be carried out on a live Air Arabia aircraft? Being a LCC can they afford to give their aircraft for such empty flights?

//3// When the first batch will graduate, do you mean, they will just get the MPL with the required minimums, or do you mean all the line training included?

//4// Once they graduate, will they be employed as SO(s) with Air Arabia (obviously based on performance & vacancies) or do they have to just wait around to find out if Air Arabia will take them if ever?
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Old 28th Jul 2011, 19:28   #78 (permalink)
 
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@ Risk

Hi Risk, despite the fact that I highly recommend you to Contact Alpha Aviation Academy & get your questions answered, I will try to answer your questions with what I have experienced & Know, don't take my reply as a Bible, its what I know :

As for the line Training, the 440,000 AED is paid to Alpha & will get you to the License part (Secures a License for you), while the 80 Sectors (maybe more) are purely provided by Air Arabia (It must be provided for you by law, as the MPL will be restricted to Air Arabia's A320s, unless you finish the line training), the cost will be deducted from your Salary when you are released as a FO, if you were not good enough (Personality factors or Skills), you will be asked to pay for the Line training & probably leave (about 60,000AED)

As for the 12 TOs & landings, they are on REAL/LIVE airplanes (probably leased from a third Party), after some time, as far as I know, it starts with 12 then decreases to 6 then to ZERO (for the next few batches), as it has been proven that doing the 12 TOs & Landings in a Sim (Level D, nowadays it can be soooo real, trust me) would be much more practical, Safe & can simulate all kinds of landings (Tail Wind/Cross Wind/Head Wind/Calm...etc.)

When First Batch Graduate, they mean getting the MPL, the line training is AFTER the MPL, but a part that must be fulfilled by law, by the partner Airline.

When we graduate, we will be employed as SOs with Air Arabia & then, after completing the 80 or more sectors, we will be (if did it well) released as FOs & will be offered by another Contract (the FO contract), thus, we will pay them back for the line training.

I Highly recommend that you go to the Source (Alpha Aviation Academy) & get these questions answered Clearly by Mr. Yorrick Peters
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Old 31st Jul 2011, 04:28   #79 (permalink)
 
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Exclamation @Marlim

Thanks Marlim,

I have spoken to Mr. Peter at AAA, but you know how it is when you really want to sell a product. Therefore, I asked the questions here. Once again, thanks for the answers. I reckon your input on this thread has been the most valuable.

Just to give you an brief overview; I currently am in the aviation world with a job that pays much more than a FO, but like with all 'wannabe' pilots, I aspire of being behind those PFD(s) & ND(s) rather than this computer screen.

So my dilemma is, should I at this age (close to 30) with such a ‘comfy & well paying’ job & a million responsibilities, give everything up & sign my life up to AAA or not. You see, I can’t make a wrong decision here as it will mean the end of me. With the current world situation, getting my current job back is IMPOSSIBLE in case flying didn’t work out.

Nonetheless, I will watch how the first batch fares & decide thereafter. For now, I have two more questions if you possibly can answer:

//1// Is the line training in the contract? I see you mentioned it is per law, but with the way ‘law’ changes in this country I would rather have it in my contract than on a legislative paper.

//2// When do you reckon will the first batch complete its line training? This is to know how long before I know I can make a decision of my life.

Thanks Marlim & Godspeed!
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Old 2nd Aug 2011, 23:11   #80 (permalink)
 
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@ Risk

Hi Risk, I know its a tough decision, I had a bright future with the same airline you are in now but decided to go on with the Flying Part, given the risks, advantages & Disadvantages, I just compared my choices & here I am, although a year and a Half late from graduating, I still didn't give up or thought that I took the wrong decision.

I can say, the line Training is not mentioned in the Contract, but Air Arabia is always present around us, we are training at the same place their Second Officers are being trained & staying in the same Hotel aswell !

We have meetings with Air Arabia's Training Dept. Captains twice or more per month up here & where we discuss our training & give them some feedback about us (from a Trainees View), as far as I can say, Air Arabia is serious about us and are working side-by-side with Alpha & the GCAA to make it one of the most successful Programs...don't forget the fact that Air Arabia owns 51% of the academy (which means if they don't employ us, they are loosing from the other pocket).

For your second Question, we have raised it to the HOT, he told us clearly that it might take from 4 to 6 months for us & the Coming Batches, and would start decreasing as the number of Airplanes & line training Captains increase (looking at about 10 extra Captains by Sept alone) we will be graduating sometime around Sept (just after Eid)

Thanks for the Thumbs Up & Blessings

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