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Old 30th Jun 2007, 09:26
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Ironbutt57 I see you're back to your old bubbly self again.

If someone seems to disagree with your take on the company you pronounce him a "moaner". Feel free to express your opinion anytime but keep critisism of others to yourself "bud". People have every right to complain and if you don't like it jump on your "hog" and NAFF OFF
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Old 30th Jun 2007, 13:56
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IB and Jabal just wondering if one is allowed to voice concerns and complaints about a compnay which has not fulfilled it's contract if that person is not 40 years plus with a gazillion hours on many aircraft??

I understand some people are just complainers and will always be but, you must admit GF has taken things to a new level and to be honest I must agree with most of these "complainers". GF has really muddled things up. To go over all the problems here would be a waste but the mere fact that the company chooses to disobey the contract they expect me to obey shows you how things are done around here. Not saying it would be any different anywhere else. I usually agree with most of your views IB but, you seem to be taking your frustrations out on others. And by the way Jabal at what level of experience did you start flying? My understanding we all start at about 200hrs at some point. And the only guy swith that time at Gf are the Local SO!!!!!

In saying all of this, I think GF is not a bad place jus have to accept that they do things there way and in the end you either take it or leave it. Just dont get mad at the guys who want to leave they have their reasons and RIGHT!
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Old 30th Jun 2007, 20:19
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It has nothing to do with whether they agree with me or not I dont really care,I just listen to it over and over again, if people want to make valid observations or criticism's they are more than welcome I sure have my own, I dont necessarily like many things unfolding here at GF...but bitching and moaning won't solve it for sure.. as I said the bitchers and moaners never change their tune...I( seem to remember couple short years ago many of you with your tails between their legs, whining and pee-peeing on yourselves over the chance to work here...so it's not your thing after all??? If you choose to leave then hope you have the opportunity to join the outfit of your choosing and leave, if I were in the situation familywise as some of you, I might do just the same...but hanging around and bad-mouthing the place is not such a bright thing to do is it??? Thank them for the opportunity and move on as you please.. there is no ideal airline job out there to be had...certainly not in this region...all are a compromise of sorts...and if you read my post I did not attack anybody did I??.. all I said was the bitchers and moaners will do the same no matter where they are, so if the shoe fits, wear it.....I'll stand corrected if I'm wrong....and I'm not enrolled in any popularity contest, so if you dont like my posts, guess it's your problem....chew on that...

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Old 30th Jun 2007, 22:58
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Hear hear IB. C'mon guys, just coz you're not happy, why don't you just make your move? Either to management or to your favourite other airline? I've gotten my payrise. It was a little less than expected but I welcome it. I'll give this place a couple of years then I'll reassess the situation. The only thing that will cause me to leave is if/when the aircrafts become unsafe to fly. I must say that point is getting closer if engineering continues with their current culture of financial pressure ahead of accountability.
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Old 1st Jul 2007, 01:00
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Thumbs down

The only thing that will cause me to leave is if/when the aircrafts become unsafe to fly
Don't fool yourself boys, we are already there...Can you not see it?

Engineering don't give a rat's arse when it comes to safety, their prime concern now is to keep their jobs. Attrition will be the undoing of this airline.
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Old 1st Jul 2007, 06:31
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I do agree that the attrition rate is going to negatively affect GF in the immediate future...particularly in the cabin service arena. After all....who is it who makes the passengers forget the headaches of delays, long checkin lines etc...etc...when the premium pax steps onto the plane, experienced, trained cabin crew make all of that go away in short order, however with a large amount of that experience leaving, and the trainers that go with it, we will suffer...we can replace numbers, but not experience or ability...
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Old 1st Jul 2007, 13:20
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Beyond that Gf has gone into rejected company mode!

Forgiveness that was sought in rebuilding the airline a few years ago has just gone out the window.

It will take a miracle to bring it back to market acceptance.

AD has shot himself and the board in the foot!

Probably why he could not get a job anywhere else but here!
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Old 1st Jul 2007, 21:33
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IB, is GF short of flight attendants and pilots yet or forecasted based on the rate they're leaving? What is GF doing about keeping the required numbers? Obviously the recent payrise isn't doing that.
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Old 1st Jul 2007, 22:05
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too bad....too sad.............................king fisher here i come keep the beer chilled hope to see u guys there,,,,,,
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Reportedly we are recruiting cabin crew in BKK and the other usual places...don't know if the flt deck numbers have reached critical mass...(yet)
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Old 3rd Jul 2007, 03:10
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I think management will get their numbers from natural attrition. Most pilots who joined within the last year had indicated to me that they won't be going anywhere. A lot of the 5+ years guys won't be going either. So just maybe, natural attrition will work out alright. Not to say that they're happy with the new raise, but most of them think it's a lot better than nothing.
I agree with IB, the real issue is the flight attendant exodus. Although they're recruiting again, the experience base will suffer. And that of course is a safety/quality service matter.
Al Fakhem Snr, please tell me now once and for all without a shadow of doubt. Taking into account the age of the aircrafts, are GF planes unsafe to fly?

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Old 3rd Jul 2007, 05:24
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An FO with 10 spots left to the left seat resigned yesterday.

On the FO the 'mass exodus' has begun. EY is interviewing over 60 in June alone. I have spoken with at least 9 330/340 captains who are leaving and these are just the ones I know.

The trick will be to see how fast they leave!! If pilots leave over a one year period then I would think the co. could handle it with OT, new hires and buying leave. If these pilots leave in 6 months or less then there will be shortages. Again, depending on the Fall sked they may be able to handle it with OT etc but it would be dicey.
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Old 3rd Jul 2007, 14:00
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Maybe so Trader....Just a question to the pwers that be. Are we going to be a training airline for the others in the region?? Hire guys who need some Airbus time before they go off to EK EY QR? No matter if we have enough or not in the coming months how much is training going to cost this airline on a 5year basis? I htink that these guys have no idea what will happen in the next year and your guess is as good as mine. No planning and horrendous communication. GF training school-entry fee of 2000hrs-you leave with heavy jet time Makes me chuckle.......
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Old 4th Jul 2007, 05:58
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I need Al Fakhem Snr to tell me with full conviction that GF aircrafts are not safe to fly. Please give your reasons.
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dunno about unsafe S but i gotta say that some of those engineers need to be backhanded and roughed up a bit. why is the engineering culture so different out here? where i flew last, there was enormous accountability on engineerings part before they signed of an aircraft. if they were not happy with the aircraft, there was no way on God's earth that plane was going anywhere...no financial/schedule/chief engineer/management/and least of all, pilot pressure, no reason whatsoever was he letting that plane go anywhere. it's the absolute opposite out here. they will sell their own mothers if it was going to make you take the aircraft, whatever it takes to get you out of their hair....then they'll go boasting back to the boss that they were on time. they have let a lot of small things go but over the years, these small items have accumulated to cancerous proportions, hence the state of the gf aircrafts. i say gf fires all the engineers who are of that culture of pleasing bosses and letting these once beautiful planes slowly rot away. furthermore, if any should decide on even negotiating with the pilots on the day of an obvious 'must fix' item, they should be written up and suspended immediately. harsh, i know, but for the number of us leaving, a big part of deciding was the deteriorating state of our planes.
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Take some old planes, poorly maintained, add incompetent engineering, with snags coming outn of their ears and still smiling... add, a bahraini pilot and an omani FO, and a smattering of Corss hair history: Et voila!

You must be kidding yourself if you think GF is safe these days, I would rather fly on a rikshaw than board any of your planes sale-e.

Not to doubt your professionalism but GF has just gone over the brink of any credible boundary when it comes to safety.
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Old 4th Jul 2007, 06:59
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MK resigning!

Bye bye MK, bye bye!

May glory be upon the one who has finally gotten his way with you.

Let's see how much this airline will miss you after you go!
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I whole heartedly agree with the engineering mentality side of your post al SR ....but not the nationality of the flt crews comment...that is out of order
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15 reasons not to have your family on Gulf Air

These are few that I heard around the block just in the past week or so,
  • Bleed Eng. 1 inop + No APU = Captain are you happy to take it like this? (of course with an Indian accent) wobbling head that comes with it.
2. Two emergency slides expired = Captain they will be changed when you come back.
  • Captain’s rudder paddles can NOT be adjusted = Captain if you seat one meter back you should be fine, Captain are you happy to take it like this?
  • IR 2 INOPS = Captain we got MCC in Bahrain to send us one, and we will change it when you come back from COK. (IR 1 and 2 is a must for RNP)
  • RA 1 and 2 Inops + keep getting auto calls on the ground = Captain what do you mean you will be in Direct Law?
  • FO window not opening and jammed = Captain is too hot outside to open it anway. (hell with the emergency)
  • The altimeter selector can only work on 100’ and not 1000, happy to take it like this captain? is only 380 moves to get to FL380
  • NO chiller + only one oven working in the whole plane = full pax 4:30 hours to MAA
  • Business class pax please do your pee pee in the back sorry this one is not working.
  • No water in the plane after only 30 min as the tank is leaking.
  • FO dikstick is able to move for 5 cms across without any aircraft movement.
  • Stdby attitude inop. and still flying.
  • Bleed one + pack two inop, bleed two supplying pack one via x-feed (normal operation)
  • Manual Air Start every flight, sorry captain APU is u/s
  • Daily check expired day and half ago.
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sounds about right....thats where the capt re-enters the defect and places an "R" if it is indeed a no-go item for that particular flight he is about to conduct..ie: rnp or rvsm..icing...wet/slipper ops.. as per the OM-a...one must remember the engineers release the aircraft per the MEL, but may be unaware of our operational restrictions...that is OUR job as pilots to determine the airworthiness of the aircraft for that particular flight...
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