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Upgraded to the 8.0.2 on the 4S and I can say it's not that bad, not unless you have allot of media or memory near full. Keyboard has improved, lot of plus points including the self timer on the camera. Bad side? Performance; since hardware is still the same but overall, not bad. 
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Hi Stuart,
Your iTunes is showing 11.3.x ...current version is 11.4(18).
I suspect therefore that your Mac is pretty much giving you the genuine answer to the problem.
If you go into App Store on your mac (Applications -> App Store... or just click the logo on the dock), then go into updates. What shows there ?
The update window looks a little bit like this, although obviously it won't say "No Software Updates" if there are some !
Indeed, lots of good stuff in 8.
Performance is fine on the 5 series, it doesn't need a 6. Good to hear it works fine on the 4.
Your iTunes is showing 11.3.x ...current version is 11.4(18).
I suspect therefore that your Mac is pretty much giving you the genuine answer to the problem.
If you go into App Store on your mac (Applications -> App Store... or just click the logo on the dock), then go into updates. What shows there ?
The update window looks a little bit like this, although obviously it won't say "No Software Updates" if there are some !
Keyboard has improved, lot of plus points including the self timer on the camera. Bad side? Performance; since hardware is still the same but overall, not bad.
Performance is fine on the 5 series, it doesn't need a 6. Good to hear it works fine on the 4.
Well, IOS 8.1 now out, and I still have the same issue that I posted earlier -
I went to the Apple Store today and had a chat with one of their "Genius" advisers, but they said they cannot solve my problem, "we are just local technicians and don't have all the answers".......
So, does anyone here have any suggestions? I find it hard to believe that there is not a way to disable this function.
Does anyone know how to stop iPad/iPhone from auto-downloading IOS updates.
Spending some time in the Falklands, it is an issue, as our internet there costs close to £100 a month for a monthly limit of about 5 Gb. Over that limit, it costs up to 10p/Mb (depending on exact package) (yes - that is £100 per Gb ), so an unasked for surprise update when you are close to the monthly limit could be VERY expensive.
Have looked online but every reference I can find just says "that's the way it is, you can't stop it except by switching wi-FI off or loading your device close to full so that it doesn't have room for the download"
Spending some time in the Falklands, it is an issue, as our internet there costs close to £100 a month for a monthly limit of about 5 Gb. Over that limit, it costs up to 10p/Mb (depending on exact package) (yes - that is £100 per Gb ), so an unasked for surprise update when you are close to the monthly limit could be VERY expensive.
Have looked online but every reference I can find just says "that's the way it is, you can't stop it except by switching wi-FI off or loading your device close to full so that it doesn't have room for the download"
So, does anyone here have any suggestions? I find it hard to believe that there is not a way to disable this function.
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I don't have iOS8 on my old iPhone but under
Settings --> iTunes & App Store --> (Scroll down) there are checkboxes for Automatic Downloads (on mine we have Music, Apps, Books, Updates).
I see that it refers to 'new purchases' but 'updates' aren't purchases ???
Perhaps this is gone in 8 ...
Settings --> iTunes & App Store --> (Scroll down) there are checkboxes for Automatic Downloads (on mine we have Music, Apps, Books, Updates).
I see that it refers to 'new purchases' but 'updates' aren't purchases ???
Perhaps this is gone in 8 ...
Thanks ExXB, but unfortunately that is only for enabling or disabling automatic App updates, and definitely does not stop the problem of Apple Operating System updates.
I am coming to the conclusion that this is another case of "Apple knows best" and if there really is no solution, I will be moving away from Apple products to something that lets you have more control over how you choose to use your device.
I am coming to the conclusion that this is another case of "Apple knows best" and if there really is no solution, I will be moving away from Apple products to something that lets you have more control over how you choose to use your device.
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I am coming to the conclusion that this is another case of "Apple knows best" and if there really is no solution, I will be moving away from Apple products to something that lets you have more control over how you choose to use your device.
Apple have NEVER compelled anyone to perform software updates, it is ALWAYS up to YOU to apply any software update.
So please, stop spouting utter nonsense.
I am sorry you see it as "inane Apple bashing".
I have not said at any time that Apple are compelling me to perform a software UPDATE.
I have said that they appear to be compelling me to perform a software DOWNLOAD which, if it comes in the last few days of any given month has the potential to cost me £400 (or at the beginning of a month to use up 80% of my monthly allowance). I am not making this up. In the Falklands there is only one internet provider. The internet all comes in by satellite and is very expensive. £100/month for 5 Gb. Over-use of your package limits cost 10p per Mb/£100 per Gb. iOS updates can be 1Gb per device, 2 phones/2ipads in our household, £400.
I am not trying to bash Apple, I am trying to find out if it is true that there is no way round this problem other than to change system, as Apple seem unable to come up with a solution - they just say "that's how it is, like it or lump it".
Does it seem reasonable to you that they should force Downloads, or have I got it wrong and do you know how to stop them.
I have not said at any time that Apple are compelling me to perform a software UPDATE.
I have said that they appear to be compelling me to perform a software DOWNLOAD which, if it comes in the last few days of any given month has the potential to cost me £400 (or at the beginning of a month to use up 80% of my monthly allowance). I am not making this up. In the Falklands there is only one internet provider. The internet all comes in by satellite and is very expensive. £100/month for 5 Gb. Over-use of your package limits cost 10p per Mb/£100 per Gb. iOS updates can be 1Gb per device, 2 phones/2ipads in our household, £400.
I am not trying to bash Apple, I am trying to find out if it is true that there is no way round this problem other than to change system, as Apple seem unable to come up with a solution - they just say "that's how it is, like it or lump it".
Does it seem reasonable to you that they should force Downloads, or have I got it wrong and do you know how to stop them.
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Been doing a bit of searching. It appears the only way a large download can be prevented is if you do not have enough memory on your phone/iPad to accommodate it.
So, as a workaround, you could load up your device with Tunes, Videos and Pictures.
Not satisfactory, I agree. Perhaps in a future update ...
If you want to provide feedback to Apple you can use : Apple - Feedback
Don't expect an answer, but I have it on good authority that suggestions made here are considered.
Good Luck
Been doing a bit of searching. It appears the only way a large download can be prevented is if you do not have enough memory on your phone/iPad to accommodate it.
So, as a workaround, you could load up your device with Tunes, Videos and Pictures.
Not satisfactory, I agree. Perhaps in a future update ...
If you want to provide feedback to Apple you can use : Apple - Feedback
Don't expect an answer, but I have it on good authority that suggestions made here are considered.
Good Luck
Thanks ExXB. That was what I had found as well online, and seems to be the only way round. I just found it hard to believe that it was really the only solution.
I have already left feedback - but as people seem to have been raising this issue with Apple for a number of years, I don't hold out much hope of a result.
I have already left feedback - but as people seem to have been raising this issue with Apple for a number of years, I don't hold out much hope of a result.
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I have said that they appear to be compelling me to perform a software DOWNLOAD which,
Apple bashing in the extreme....I'm left wondering where you got your dud information from !
IOS 8.0.2 had made the piccies very, very, jerky in SWMBO's ipad 2. It had also deleted the Camera roll file, which was, apparently, essential to maintain contact with her globally distributed admirers. (Family).
8.1 being downloaded now. I wonder whether or not apple has listened to its community?
8.1 being downloaded now. I wonder whether or not apple has listened to its community?
No they do NOT do force downloads either !! What weird settings are you using ?
Apple bashing in the extreme....I'm left wondering where you got your dud information from !
Apple bashing in the extreme....I'm left wondering where you got your dud information from !
As ExXB said, in the settings, there are tick boxes for enabling automatic downloads, but these ONLY refer to App updates, not System updates.
A quick search on the internet will show that I am not imagining this, and that many people have the same issue. If you know a simple solution to the problem, please share it, but stop accusing me of "Apple bashing" - I am just trying to find a solution to a real problem.
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From Apple:
Therefore, as a system update is larger than 50MB, it means, as I originally indicated, it will not download over your mobile connection, irrespective of any settings.
This also explains why Apple only provide a means to only disable app update auto-downloads..... the auto-download of system updates is effectively disabled by default.
For the record I only accused you of "apple bashing" because of your last paragraph in your original post about "apple knows best" etc..... that sort of phrasing generally only comes from the bashing community.... but I'm happy to give you the benefit of the doubt that your post was written in frustration over a misguided concern ! Virtual handshake and move on ?
You can turn Automatic Downloads on or off over your cellular network on an iPhone or iPad Wi-Fi + 3G. Go to Settings > Store and turn Cellular Data on or off. Cellular Data downloads are limited to a file size of 50 MB or smaller.
Therefore, as a system update is larger than 50MB, it means, as I originally indicated, it will not download over your mobile connection, irrespective of any settings.
This also explains why Apple only provide a means to only disable app update auto-downloads..... the auto-download of system updates is effectively disabled by default.
For the record I only accused you of "apple bashing" because of your last paragraph in your original post about "apple knows best" etc..... that sort of phrasing generally only comes from the bashing community.... but I'm happy to give you the benefit of the doubt that your post was written in frustration over a misguided concern ! Virtual handshake and move on ?
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Camera roll has been restored in iOS 8.1 Go to the Photos app and at the bottom click on 'Albums'. You'll see its return there!
IOS 8.0.2 had made the piccies very, very, jerky in SWMBO's ipad 2. It had also deleted the Camera roll file, which was, apparently, essential to maintain contact with her globally distributed admirers. (Family).
8.1 being downloaded now. I wonder whether or not apple has listened to its community?
8.1 being downloaded now. I wonder whether or not apple has listened to its community?
Thanks for the benefit of the doubt, Mixture. Yes, the comment was written in frustration, but I'm afraid the concern was not misguided.
I am not talking about a mobile network, or cellular data here. I am talking about my home, hard-wired, internet service.
Not everywhere in the world has cheap, virtually unlimited, upload/download limits. The only internet connection into the Falklands is satellite, there is only one provider, no competition, and the 5Gb a month for £100 I am talking about is the ONLY internet available. So my comment stands, that if Apple really do not have a way to disable the automatic download for Operating System updates when connected to power and wifi then I will have to consider changing devices to something that gives you that control.
Update - To acknowledge some good customer service from Apple! The Aberdeen Apple Store manager just phoned me to follow up some feedback I had left. He confirmed that they do not know of any way to prevent the automatic downloads as described, but he is going to take it higher with Apple and see what he can find out, and has promised to get back to me.
I am not talking about a mobile network, or cellular data here. I am talking about my home, hard-wired, internet service.
Not everywhere in the world has cheap, virtually unlimited, upload/download limits. The only internet connection into the Falklands is satellite, there is only one provider, no competition, and the 5Gb a month for £100 I am talking about is the ONLY internet available. So my comment stands, that if Apple really do not have a way to disable the automatic download for Operating System updates when connected to power and wifi then I will have to consider changing devices to something that gives you that control.
Update - To acknowledge some good customer service from Apple! The Aberdeen Apple Store manager just phoned me to follow up some feedback I had left. He confirmed that they do not know of any way to prevent the automatic downloads as described, but he is going to take it higher with Apple and see what he can find out, and has promised to get back to me.
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Yup.
As the so and sos distributed the old camera roll piccies all over the place , it is a pain that when they re-introduced it they couldn't be bothered to gather up the old ones and re-introduce them in to camera roll.
Having Aussie niece's new baby pics in the album on Rembrandt is not too clever.
And the hols in Cambodia/Vietnam are not much helped by the pics of another new brat in Tx.
The other features of 8.1 are not very relevant for an old wi-fi only ipad.
Yup.
As the so and sos distributed the old camera roll piccies all over the place , it is a pain that when they re-introduced it they couldn't be bothered to gather up the old ones and re-introduce them in to camera roll.
Having Aussie niece's new baby pics in the album on Rembrandt is not too clever.
And the hols in Cambodia/Vietnam are not much helped by the pics of another new brat in Tx.
The other features of 8.1 are not very relevant for an old wi-fi only ipad.
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Well, I think even you have to admit you are a bit of an "edge case" then !
I don't think you can entirely blame Apple for the current configuration.
In its present state, 99.9999% of Apple users will be protected from expensive downloads because, as you yourself state, the only thing most of the world has to worry about is being charged for data over the mobile networks.
The problem with software development (at ANY manufacturer) is that its an expensive process... coding is expensive, QA is expensive, maintenance is expensive.... you therefore have to code in a style that will satisfy the majority of your users.
In ANY software development project, there will always be unforeseen "edge cases" .... when these are brought to light by the few affected users, then these are generally fixed by the manufacturer in due course.... and I hope this ends up being the case with you and Apple, although don't expect overnight results because in ANY software development workplace you have to prioritise jobs.
Believe me, I know what it's like to be an "edge case", I've found myself in one of those rare positions (because they are RARE) with other manufacturers of much more complex equipment than a simple telephone.... all it demands is patience... all manufacturers want happy customers, if its fixable without spending more man-power on it than reflects the number of users affected, then they will do so....
If, on the other hand, you feel you would be better off without Apple, then fine.... but then please don't make a song and dance of it and blame Apple for your woes given the "edge case" scenario in which you unfortunately find yourself.
I will post an "enhancement request" for you on Apple's developer systems so that at least you have another channel making Apple aware of it as well as your local store manager.
Well, I think even you have to admit you are a bit of an "edge case" then !
I don't think you can entirely blame Apple for the current configuration.
In its present state, 99.9999% of Apple users will be protected from expensive downloads because, as you yourself state, the only thing most of the world has to worry about is being charged for data over the mobile networks.
The problem with software development (at ANY manufacturer) is that its an expensive process... coding is expensive, QA is expensive, maintenance is expensive.... you therefore have to code in a style that will satisfy the majority of your users.
In ANY software development project, there will always be unforeseen "edge cases" .... when these are brought to light by the few affected users, then these are generally fixed by the manufacturer in due course.... and I hope this ends up being the case with you and Apple, although don't expect overnight results because in ANY software development workplace you have to prioritise jobs.
Believe me, I know what it's like to be an "edge case", I've found myself in one of those rare positions (because they are RARE) with other manufacturers of much more complex equipment than a simple telephone.... all it demands is patience... all manufacturers want happy customers, if its fixable without spending more man-power on it than reflects the number of users affected, then they will do so....
If, on the other hand, you feel you would be better off without Apple, then fine.... but then please don't make a song and dance of it and blame Apple for your woes given the "edge case" scenario in which you unfortunately find yourself.
I will post an "enhancement request" for you on Apple's developer systems so that at least you have another channel making Apple aware of it as well as your local store manager.
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I have never had a software update do it automatically, over 3G or wifi I have always had to click to accept, and definately click to accept new terms and conditions before the update would commence, so not sure I get the problem of updates behind your back.
Thanks for your interest and offer to highlight the problem through other channels, Mixture. I appreciate that I might be an "edge" case, but by the look of various discussions online, I am far from the only one with the problem.
For now, I will try one of the two "work-rounds" that I have seen suggested, either making sure wifi is off any time I have it connected to mains power, or loading the devices so full that there is no room for the download.
(highflyer - if you read the previous posts, my problem is not with Updates, but with Update DOWNLOADS)
For now, I will try one of the two "work-rounds" that I have seen suggested, either making sure wifi is off any time I have it connected to mains power, or loading the devices so full that there is no room for the download.
(highflyer - if you read the previous posts, my problem is not with Updates, but with Update DOWNLOADS)