I can't believe that - that people are only doing it just because! And then there are those who have been trying for 3 years and can't. But you know what, you can really tell on the job if they're in it or not, and you are right in saying it may not be for them afterall. I am still waiting to hear back from Qantas but have taken Jetstar already. I too thought they seemed more flexible and that there are more opportunities as opposed to MAM. Also - on the news this morning it was said that the big cull Qantas are doing at the moment will also include cabin crew - majority from Melbourne too. There also is not guarantee with MAM that you'll start soon after ground school completion. They said it can be up to 6 months even.....Such big changes and the HUGE drop in profits & reputation too isn't a very good sign right at this point in my career lol so I will see where Jetstar takes me, I really liked them at the AD and felt that it's more for me I really look forward to meeting you one day JacintaMerri!
Hope89, I don't mean to nitpick but the HUGE drop in profits is for the Qantas Group, which includes Jetstar. We're one big happy family I love working for Qantas, we get a bad rap in the media, but I find the majority of passengers to walk away very happy. Yes, different airlines suit different personalities, but at the end of the day we all do the same job. To those that have the dream, keep applying and stay positive.
Their profit didn't include Jetstar - that profit is for Qantas alone. Jetstar made a record profit (and record growth)! I think it was like 150 million after taxes. We were discussing it at GS yesterday with the trainers.
If i were you...I'd definitely would go Jetstar but the choice is yours in the end! Oh, and Jacinta is my real name so i'll be easy to find when you start flying!
Where are you getting your info from because some of it seems quite incorrect... There's no movement from ALTARA into Jetstar anymore and the chances of becoming a cabin manager with Jetstar are slim as they don't hire into Jetstar anymore, it's all contract thru ALTARA, both casuals and full time employment...
As for commission being at $500 per month, 1 too many '0' there...
Some things you have written is true but it doesn't work the way you have written it... You can bid for flights but only 3 per month... Swapping you can do but is hard with legalities around duties and days off...
Bidding for overnights, JQ don't really overnight, if they do most Jetstar crew will get them, not ALTARA as it's more expensive to send casuals away.
Sounds like someone's talking up the story a little too much to you Jacinta, cause what you painted is a very different picture to the real world..
Jacinta and Hope89 Qantas Domestic, like Jetstar is adding capacity into the domestic market-something like 5% for Qantas Domestic, alot more for jetstar. lots of opportunities so I wouldnt worry about them 'losing' any cabin crew in melbourne or any other base. You may have to wait a few months before starting Ground school but then once you complete you will not have to wait at all before starting flying-youll start flying ASAP! You need to.
Qantas Group includes EVERYTHING they own. When they report, its for the WHOLE group including Jetstar, sure Jetstar made a nice profit, but other parts didnt (the profits from one part help subsidise the losses from another part of the group)
During interviews and training they talk everything up! Even during my Qantas training they talked it UP (being casual), your best off asking someone who has the same contract what its actually like, that way you have a realistic view of what will happen/what you will when out online.
People do jobs for different reasons, some people really really want to be cabin crew, others just 'find' the job-you shouldnt judge anyones intentions as to why they are doing it. After all, you could end up being the person leaving sooner rather than later.
I would suggest to anyone who posts anything to be sure about what your posting, cause it may come back to bite you-especially when speaking about your fellow trainees who may actually read theses forums too-your all ONE TEAM.
(PS-sorry about this long as post)
Hi! does anyone know if accomodation i provided for new crew that dont live in syd or mel during gs? iv got an ad this week but live in canberra and would like to know a bit about it before i get carried away. THANKS!!!!!
I don't think all the lengthy formal explanations on here are really necessary. We are all very new, just trying to follow our dreams which we did work very hard for and get as much info as possible......this forum is merely to discuss things. With that said, now we can move on I think that we will never really know ANYTHING correctly until we find out for ourselves. What people say on here is totally different to what others have corrected, and then yet again totally different to what the recruiters said on the AD! I think judging by that we can't take any of this too seriously I'm just happy, and excited, and so very THANKFUL that I made it through. It took me three years to get to this point and I never gave up. Just goes to show - if you really really want it, it will happen.
Thanks Danfromus... you clarified my point. The boys in the D & G forums can battle out the particulars of who actually owns what, who pays for Jetstars leasings, fuel, training etc. At the end of the day it's 1 group ( for the time being )
I would also be sceptical about Mel crew being culled. Not sure about Dom, but half their LH flights are cross crewed with Syd at great expense. Unless they close the base completely I think they are fine.
GS is super exciting, but also a bit wanky in regards to "Go Team". When you get on line you'll figure it out for yourself. And hopefully love it!
Bbear75, good point on the boys can work it out lol Not up to us, just stick to the flying part hehe! That "Go Team" phrase sounds interesting! looks like they very much love to get you motivated and are very passionate. Is it like that the whole way through? I think GS will be anything but boring, I know i'll love it. Just out of curiosity, are the trainers the same people who ran the AD?? Or is it a totally different team.
Posted on the qantas website 2 days ago. It's the Qantas Group profits. As you will read - the profits from each Qantas Group Airline are separate In saying that, yes, a percentage of Jetstar's profit will have to go to keeping Qantas afloat.
"Jetstar achieved record underlying EBIT of $147 million, up $4 million on last year’s first-half earnings."
“Jetstar continues to increase capacity both domestically and internationally,” Mr Joyce said."
I wouldn't post these things on here if I wasn't 100 percent certain of it's accuracy. As for the other things re: overnights and commissions.
I can't quote for the overnights as it's come from a protected document - if you ask a Jetstar FA that you know -I'm sure they'll tell you about it but I'm not going to risk my job.
The commissions - it's simple mathematics. The average whole day earnings from on-board sales is $2000. Let's say, 5% of that goes to commission, divide it by four(A320) (all commission is split between the crew) and you can EASILY get between 3 to 500 per month.
Up-sell, up-sell! UP-SELL!! Hahaha...
Re: trading flights - yes, we can but it is strictly between Altara employees only. Re: the bidding - Unless you're a Jetstar F/A, you won't know about it yet - It only came out a month ago.
Your enthusiasm makes me smile Jacintamerri And the record EBIT is great, but it's only a 3% increase on 8% growth. At the end of the day let's hope that there's room for low cost and full service carriers in Oz, bc without each other performing neither of us would survive.
Please correct your post in regards to saying your posting everything that's 100% correct because your posting things that are 60% incorrect...
Please go and speak to cabin crew out online about commissions and requests/overnights before posting false information on here. Your still in ground school, you haven't even been given a roster yet, operated a flight, served any food to know how much $$ you make per day...
As for selling $2000 worth of product... That would mean you had to sell the ENTIRE amount of product onboard to achieve that... You have got the whole thing wrong, its more like $2000 per aircraft per day, and the 5%, that's is not the current % being paid... Please get your facts right and go and speak to operating crew before posting anything else on here.
Of course it's $2,000 per aircraft per day...i thought that was obvious - I'm wholeheartedly sorry if it wasn't. Don't you think i may have had a day (a half-day to be precise!) with the catering company, using the POS and being told about commissions. Honestly....how else would i know? And my instructors are operating crew
Assumptions dig holes.
And you should watch what you write about rosters. I start flying in a week.
Argument over. I have zero time for people with negative attitudes towards others.
Anyways...I'm watching Homeland....Have a great evening!
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