Hi JB88... how did your assessment go?... I'm dying to know. Everyone is talking about who is being kept back etc and how long in the holdpool - but like you I want to know what was the maths test like etc?
What were the topics for the presentation/group interviews etc? I'd really appreciate it if you could pass on any info... nobody seems to want to pass on this info. Hope you were successful...747girl. (Was the maths really hard?)
hey 747 girl... there was no maths test on the day, there was a group activity and the 2:1 interview and they gave a small presentation at the end on the company. Was a really relaxing interview to be honst, when is/was urs?
with my interview they split us up into 2 groups and told us then and there who got it, i was in the yes room so im all happy at the moment yey!!!! xxxx
Hi JB88.... many congrats... I'm really pleased for you - bet you're super excited, but seriously, its nice to get accepted. Thanks for your reply and now I'm super cool about assessment... well kind of!...747girl!!
Can anyone confirm what documents you need to bring with you on the day? I had my assessment confirmed and have logged back on to BA Jobs, but I can't seem to find a checklist of what's needed?
I got in to the hold pool in early February.. has anyone heard anything at all about how long we might be in here before or what/if any jobs are coming up?? I really want long haul LHR but don't know how realistic this is..
I recently spoke to a crew member at LHR base and was told that there is a MASSIVE hold pool for BA as there are HUNDREDS of internal applicants waiting to join their Cabin Crew operations. She made it very clear that internal apps get priorty- went on to say that most of their temp. contract crew have and in the process of having their contracts withdrawn and not renewed until further notice as they are trying to down size their crew to save costs.
I know this news sounds totally negative but I must share it with you as its important you keep your options open.
Please share any other insider info that may support or disagree with these comment.
Please can anyone HELP me
I have an assessment day to attend for BA Cabin Crew in April,I am soooo nervous about the math,psychometric and english tests also the topic of the day,do I need to give speech?
Can anybody give me advice?anyone who attend the assessment?
P L E A S E
MANY TANKS
No Hold Poolers Joining (except ex-temps) For Forseeable Future
Sorry all, but this is a direct quote from BA/BASSA yesterday.
"Apart from the following courses, all future new entrant courses have been put on hold. During May there will be 3-4 NE courses planned for WW LHR on 11 month temporary contracts. These crew will be previous 11 month temporary crew returning for a further temporary contract."
I am currently employed by BA as crew. There is a massive BASSA meeting next week where the members will be presented with the proposals that BA want to bring in. The new fleet is what BA want to set up and the holding pool is for crew for this fleet. The difference in pay and conditions is a massive reduction from those that cabin crew at BA currently have. Some of these conditions are unbelievable. Please remember this when applying for the holding pool.
Sevenmiles Up; Seems easy your proposal but I can assure you that iit is not. The logistics of contracting / CRC / Staff and funding for courses is a complex issue. It is common knowlege that there is a pool of expectant possible NECC but it may be that many of the T and C's allude to the future contracting of CC for the A380 fleet. Granted there will be a number of changes for the immediate future but Senior Management are also well aware of the excellent job our CC do they just find it difficult to admit it. Whatever the outcome of next weeks meeting I doubt there will be much evidence of it until well into 2010.
I've been following the forums with great interest over the past couple of months as I was successful at interview early February. I understand that contracts and conditions are changing to become more in line with other airline pay scales (in addition to making cost savings for BA), but what I'm really interested in finding out is the expected annual salary for the new contracts.
I know it's probably really hard to estimate but I really want to know if I can afford to do this. I'm really keen and interested but I'd prefer not to be keen, interested and poor!
Hope someone has some intel for the newbies like me???
They are talking for the "new" contract: Virgin rate plus 10%.
Hourly payment of allowances. If anything like LGW £2.30.
It will be mixed flying fleet.
If it helps... forget anything you know about BA cabin crew salaries and working agreements. It won`t be anything like what you know or have heard.
This is possibly what you are in the holding pool for..
Ask lots of questions before jumping in with both feet
TALKS UPDATE 19TH MARCH
Mar 19th, 2009 by admin
Negotiations on cost-cutting have today resumed.
For the last week it has probably appeared to have all gone away, or at least we could have hoped it had......It categorically has not.
A joint meeting of all the Unions from across the airline that are involved in cost cutting measures was held on Tuesday and information on each of their targeted savings was shared. Last week British Airways had declined to share this information with us. It is apparent that cost saving targets are not equal but vary widely across the airline. For example, the Pilots' budget is £445 million and they face no cuts. Their only input is to not incur further costs over the next two years. Their projected increase is £13 million and this will be their contribution. The vast majority of other areas will achieve savings by quite a severe headcount reduction but not by changes to terms and conditions ("restrictive practices"; as Willie Walsh prefers to call them).
British Airways has now completed their expectations of the cost cuts for cabin crew. To remind you, the headline facts are again recapped below:
BA states that IFCE costs are £567.9 million per year. Most of that cost is salaries (98.9%).
BA wants to cut this by £82 million (14%) over the next two years, commencing April 1st 2009. This equates to approx £6,000 per person directly from earnings and/or costs. They propose this to be achieved by two separate but linked phases. The "new fleet" would still only save £35 million in its first two years, the remaining £47 million would need to come from existing agreements for current crew i.e. you.
Until now we have been unable to publish this "list" to you due to a confidentiality commitment specified to us when it was received. Our confidentiality commitment regarding this has ended and we have received legal clearance to reveal details to you. The following is a list of proposed and possible cost saving measures to reach the specified target, exactly as they were given to us.
What is acceptable or otherwise, is of course the subject of ongoing negotiation but from the list below you will be able to see these are substantial and major issues that will need to be faced. They affect all current crew, no matter which base or agreement you currently operate. It is not just a case of "Oh there's a new fleet coming but it won't affect me"; - it will.
Proposals for a New Fleet at LHR: Not for current crew unless joining the fleet
A low-cost fleet based on a low cost model (Almost identical to the document leaked by BASSA at Christmas).
BA aims to achieve this in the next 2 years. Approaching 1000 crew have already been trained and placed in a holding pool.
It will have over 2000 plus crew operating within two years
Market rate paid Cabin Crew in line with virgin plus 10%.
Fleet will consist of mixed flying on Airbus, 777, 747 aircraft.
Crew will consist of 3 new grades, Main Crew, Supervisor and Lead Supervisor. Not CSD, Purser and main crew and NOT to current levels.
No ETP, long-range, back-to-back or destination Payments or other variable shorthaul payments etc.
A fixed hourly rate.
Pay scales will have no time served increments, any increase in basic pay will be performance related.
Merit promotion.
No Seniority.
Crew will not operate to either Worldwide or Shorthaul agreements but to BA Scheme Limitations document only - For your information this is covered in your Blue Joint Operations procedures manual part 2, pages 78 to 107 inclusive. A link to show scheme details is also available via the BASSA website under agreements.
There will be no MBT etc just scheme days off.
Preference bidding to scheme.
BA project in year one 850 crew to be flying on this new fleet and 2075 by end of year two (remember EF has only 2314 crew and LGW single fleet, 1189.
Long-term this will lead to the total restructuring of cabin crew costs.
Proposed changes to existing crews terms and conditions ("restrictive practices") from this list:
1) Remove double night on LAX, SFO, PHX, MEX.
2) Reduce 777 crew compliment by 1 on long-range 4 class.
3) MBT to be a maximum of 4 local nights irrespective trip.
4) Reduce annual leave for all crew to 34 days from 36.
5) Completely flexible rosters, no fixed trips.
6) One main crew member removed from 777- 3 class.
* Details of item to be confirmed
7) Annual increment freeze for one year for all crew.
8 ) Remove one main crew from worldwide destinations that at present receive the extra crew member as agreed post September 11th 2001. For the summer they are CCU- DAC- DEN -CPT (042) MAA- MEX- MIA- MRU- PEK
9) Remove the early report day allowing report times prior to 0800.
10) Bidding only on EF, ending the 6-3 and 5-2 and job share work patterns.
11) Removal of 767 CSD on EF.
12) All Crew grades to be planned/rostered to work up or down with no extra payment or restriction.
13) Remove one main crew member from 777 long-range top up.
* Details of Item To be confirmed
14) Extension on Eurofleet working day from 12.30 hours to 15.00.
15) Allow earlier report/start and later debrief/finish times.
16) Replace all 24hr stand-by with 12 hour.
17) One purser to be removed from all 747 and 777.
18 ) Remove EF Club top-up crewing level agreement.
19) No meal allowances to be triggered whilst in flight.
20) Reduction of Box-One payments by 50%
21) Back-To-Back payments to be reduced by 50%.
22) All destination payments to be permanently removed. For summer these will be paid on MIA- LAD -DEN -DAR -SEA YVR- EBB- IAH- DFW -YYC
23) Pay actual ETP rather than planned.
24) Remove STR payments and introduce fixed links also with no payment - EF.
25) Replace QRS with airport standby.
26) Reduce report and debrief times i.e., shorten duty day timings.
27) Removal of telephone allowance.
28 ) Change definition of EF night duty.
29) Exchange 2 pursers from all 767, 747, 777 to junior crew positions (switching roles).
30) No CSD on 757 EF.
31) Switch one purser at LGW for main crew member.
These are potentially in addition to a two-year pay freeze.
Now we have been able to share this list, you will see first-hand the scale of the challenge we face, there are no easy options available. This will require ongoing and extensive consultation between us, as your representatives and you, as our members. This is something you need to become involved in, right now and take an active interest, it will affect every single one of us, it's not even a question of supporting your union, it's a question of being involved in some really hard and far reaching decisions that are not going to go away.
BASSA and Amicus sections of UNITE will continue to work closely together to do our best to protect your future, we will not kid you that this is going to be an easy task but please be assured that we will be doing our very best for you.We have now told BA that we will not meet next week as we wanted to start the consultation process with you over the next several days. Talks will however reconvene on the 30th and then obviously we have our branch meeting at Kempton Park on the 6th April when a full and frank debate will no doubt be forthcoming.
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Just to correct a little inaccuracy wrt the pilots.
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Their only input is to not incur further costs over the next two years. Their projected increase is £13 million and this will be their contribution.
The projected increase is indeed £13m in year one alone, but then an additional £13m on top of that again, in year 2. ie total savings £13m in year one, then £26m in year two, making a grand total of £39m over the two years, or three times what BASSA's spin suggests! There are 3200ish pilots, meaning this equates to just over £12k per pilot over the two years. (ie double BASSA's stated cabin crew member contribution).
I am not saying you guys are not being asked to give up a lot, I am simply pointing out that BASSA are trying to use the argument that the pilots aren't giving up anything so why should you, but it is an argument based upon false information.
To add another dimension. T5 ramp / Customer service staff stand at about 3300 , the projected figures by 2012 will be 2200 staff once a raft of new T and C's are in place, also making a significant cost saving.
BA wannabes.... you may not be on the current cabin crew pay scales or terms and conditions!
Ask lots of questions regards your contract when offered a course date.
(bet you don`t get many answers)
James
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