Jet2 - 3

[Pilot Pete]

Yeah but low cost and longhaul don't go together easily in the same sentence, hence why nobody is really doing it. Longhaul is very expensive compared to sorthaul around the EU. It also doesn't fit the low cost business model. Low cost works on shorthaul routes because you can maximise turnarounds and utilisation, getting several 'fresh' sets of pax onboard in any one day. All these pax added together will be paying more than one set going transatlantic. Plus you can sell more to lots of new pax than you can the same ones on an 8hr sector!

Also think of tech problems and recovery etc. I can't quite see there being the sheer volume of flights to offer the choice that the passenger wants, which enables lo-cos to just cancel the flight and transfer everyone onto the next. What if your a/c goes tech in the US and you don't have another flight scheduled for 3 days? You can't quite leave everyone and say 'tough' we will book you on the next flight in 3 days time! The route structure needs to be big enough, and often enough to make the model work without adding SIGNIFICANT costs. It wouldn't take many transatlantic sub-charters to wipe out all the profits for a month on a route.......

It is also very heavy on crews and if you don't have the frequency then you will not be able to get them flying 900hrs a year, and positioning and hotel costs are significant.

This is why nobody is really doing any significant longhaul low cost service, it would be attempting to make a model fit something it wasn't intended to fit! If Jet2 find a way round those problems then good luck to them. The problem is that you could sell the seats, but you had better get the pricing right to cover all the (inevitable) problems which will erode margins. That's why every airline has stuck to what the model fits best....

PP

Continuation of: http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=221244&page=19 (http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=221244&page=19)

[gms1991]

I would definitely rather be stuck in US for 3 days instead of somewhere like Lithuania where they don't speak English.

There are many ways in which LS can operate the routes.

Due to their growing 752 a/c, they would be able to supplement the 752 on tech to fly the route, and bring in one of the charter Channel Express a/c that are sat waiting for charters.

The only problem I think that LS have is offering Upper Economy seats, which is not part of the current service. The Upper Economy seats make the airlines such as flyzoom and flyglobespan (they also offer business class) the most money from a flight.

[Pilot Pete]

I would definitely rather be stuck in US for 3 days instead of somewhere like Lithuania where they don't speak English. So you would tell that to your fee paying longhaul pax would you?:rolleyes:
they would be able to supplement the 752 on tech to fly the route, and bring in one of the charter Channel Express a/c that are sat waiting for charters. Are you saying they would have spare aircraft hanging around not flying to cover for tech aircraft? That increases costs straight away. See the problem? And you can't use a 737 to rescue a 757 load unless you are flying the 757 with a low load factor.....which doesn't fit the low cost model. And of course there is the pond between the 737 and the tech aircraft.
The only problem I think that LS have is offering Upper Economy seats, which is not part of the current service I would have thought that was one of the easier problems to overcome for such a venture. It is certainly not the 'only' problem.
PP

[682ft AMSL]

The fact Jet2 are moving into selling package holidays (a Jet2 branded website sat on top of the 'On Holiday Group' booking engine) might lend more credibility than usual to these rumours. Although the site is live, there has been no marketing or PR push to give us any idea exactly what the plan is and how aggressively they will chase this market. If they do make a go of it, it could open up options to launch services on a mixed scheduled / charter basis to destinations that perhaps would not work on a 100% seat-only basis, Orlando perhaps being one example. Greece, Cyprus, Egypt, Turkey being others.

Meanwhile, I wonder how they are getting on chasing the bmi CDG slots. They've been handed back and I would have assumed SL, PM and co would done whatever they could to have got to the front of the queue to try and get them. Don't imagine the slots will be around for long.

682

[PTH needs tarmac]

The Jet2 holidays site is now being advertised on their regular homepage. Much the same as the websites of the other IT companies, but quite red.

Having had Thomsons etc move it offering seat-only deals, it's interesting to see Jet2 heading the other way.

PTH

[wawkrk]

In my opinion Jet2 have got it absolutely spot on.
They are already well established as a scheduled loco carrier.
Any extra business from the IT market is a bonus.
As I have said before, the old style package is dead.
No freedom of choice when to travel, only the notorius change over days available. Resort reps treating clients like children and giving the hard sell.
In the case of LBA many pax lost to Manchester because they could offer more change over days.
But, Jet2 can still offer the full IT service to those customers who feel more comfortable with it. It`s all about choice.Not available in the past.
I think this new venture could become huge. Jet2 could suck up most of beleaguered Tuifly`s clients particularly at LBA.

[Ron Glum]

I also believe that jet2 is being quite clever, in that it is not putting all its eggs into one basket and at the end of the day work is work and ultimately revenue. Having said that I disagree with the previous post saying that the traditional package holiday format is dead, this simply isn't true. What is true is because of the options now available the market that was the package holiday is now a lot smaller. There are still many people that would prefer a package, whether they are families, the elderly or generally people that would like all the organisation done for them with the back up guarantees. The charter carriers do have to adapt to the changing market and there will be I believe a period of consolidation in the industry.
Anyway good luck jet2.

Ron

[Nearly Man]

It'd be nice to see Jet2 get into the long haul market but there's some real problems ahead.
Their place is Leeds and the problem there is it's an airport built around a ****ehouse runway. If they try and compete with the other guys at Manchester they could get bruised and battered in an already tight market. Plus the lack of decent 767s is there to think about too.

Cyprus might be good for them but flying pikeys to Sanford is too tight a market!

[DONTTELLTHEPAX]

Stansted would be a good JET2 longhaul base, after all, European loco's feedeing a longhaul loco, where better, the passengers are waiting in there 1000's for someone to start the venture, Stansted would hardly be a risky choice would it.

[BYALPHAINDIA]

I agree the IT market is not dead + buried - yet..

There are still many people who don't have the knowledge and the time to make their DIY holiday.

I think Jet 2 should stay in Europe for a few more years before attempting anything Global.

This is what they have proved to be good at.

The Holiday arm is a good idea and should prove popular.

Regards.;)

[Nearly Man]

Jet2 would be head to head with Titan at Stanstead. Still a bit of linkage there. Jet2 could clean up with the cruise ship trips but there you go. P M is the only guy who knows where Jet2 is going to go next :}

[DONTTELLTHEPAX]

A STN-JFK or BOS would be a winner for Jet2, the only transatlantic flights from STN are MAXJET and EOS, both business class, even a normal class flight would do very well from STN never mind a loco.

[ncleflights]

Can't see Jet2 been the slightest bit interseted in starting anything global from London. If they don't fly short hall from STN why would they go long haul from STN.

Jet2 has its roots in the North and any expansion into long haul is probably going to be from one of their Northern bases. Blackpool anon starter and Leeds would be tricky but it may well work from Manchester or Newcastle where they already compete on many routes with other airlines. However as they are having trouble aquiring suitable 757s for SO7 I can't see any expansion long haul for a while. Stansted though is simply wishfull thinking and based on no firm logic as to why a airline with an excellent network in the North would suddenly open a base in the London area to do simply long haul. If they do use a London airport it would be more more likely to be Gatwick which is where their Manchester and Newcastle domestic operations fly into.

[4Screwaircrew]

Jet2 have a base in STN, currently mail, papers and passenger charter ops with a QC.

[Ian Brooks]

Yes but it is really one of the old Channex bases not a true Jet2 as it isn`t a passenger operation in reality, just happens to be a convertable B737 so can do pax charters during day

Ian

[silverhawk]

Have the engineers at STN not just been laid off?

[4Screwaircrew]

Would that mean that BFS and NCL are not proper JET2 bases then? Both started with and continue to operate QC aircraft on Royal Mail operations:=

I don't think STN will ever be a scheduled operations base, but stranger things have happened; I think that most of the STN crews enjoy the mix of work, and the balance between pax and frt sectors is not far off a 50/50 mix most of the time. Although the passenger sectors tend to be longer.

[ncleflights]

4screwaircrew - To call Belfast or Newcastle not proper Jet2 bases, your head is more in the clouds that most Jet2 aircraft. Look at the expansion at both these BASES in the last few months.

As has already been stated by previous comments Stansted is a minor airport for Jet2 left over from the old channel express days and can't see Jet2 going to the expense of maintaining a base at Stansted for much longer with the little return they must get from the investment.

Why mix it up with the likes of Ryanair and Easy etc from Stansted when they can continue to improve on routes from Belfast, Newcastle, Leeds etc. They do after all make a big point in all the adverts they run of been a NORTHERN :D airline

[14 loop]

ncleflights - I think you have misinterpreted what 4Screwaircrew said - he was asking the question, not making a statement.
I suspect that the STN base might continue for some time yet - they do some rather lucrative work down there and have more than enough activity to occupy them for the summer ahead!

Anyone any info on the leased capacity for the summer, other than the 146 for NCL-LGW? Talk of two 737-400s.

[4Screwaircrew]

ncleflights I was pointing out the flawed logic, not knocking the bases. I have flown for the company since the days of the Herald, and fully appreciate the effect of commencing passenger operations in the North of England. I would not like to see us take on EZY and RYR head to head at STN that way lies a bloody nose.

The Royal Mail plays a much larger part in the ecenomics of this airline than many people not directly involved in the airline realise.

14 loop thank you, internal rumour says 2x 400 from Futura, but we shall wait and see.

Regards to one and all

[DONTTELLTHEPAX]

Going head to head with EZY and FR would be the wrong thing to do at this time, however STN would be a good longhaul base as this market has not been touched at STN, both EZY and FR dont seem to be anywhere near ready to look at transatlantic routes.

STN has no flights to the US other than Business class flights, to me this is a suprise as the pax are there and do not like the trip around the M25,
all I am saying is that if Jet2 are going to look into longhaul, STN would be a good bet for them, they would be the only airline offering normal prices
on the route/s

[richardnei]

Jet2 are basing a 737-400 at BFS, leased from Futura for the Summer. This is instead of the B757 that was to be based. Will be used for the MJV/AGP/PMI routes from BFS.

No sure about the other bases!

Brgds

Richard

[freightdoggy dog]

ncle flights.

Where you have a Jet2 a/c you have a Jet2 base!

This is a company that was once "commited to cargo" but is now the "norths favourite loco airline"?

Its marketing, most punters don't even know that the Royal Mail is flown overnight on the Q/Cs.

Birmingham,Cologne,Luton have all been bases at this company, Now its Leeds, Newcastle,Belfast etc, and lets not forget Spalding! Theres even offices down in Bournemouth!!

Its just nice to know you are a commited favourite of our airline:ok:

[True Blue]

Flew Bfs - Prague on Jet2 in Jan 07. It was the based QC aircraft. It was clean and the crew were good.

Couldn't help thinking that the QC aircraft didn't do Jet2 any good for image. You sit slightly higher than normal and at the window seat, there was a very cold wind coming up from underneath. Many people were complaining of the cold. I think it was being caused by the fact that the seats sit on removable sections and the air under these was very cold, for whatever reason. The aircon unit also seemed to be very loud.

Would Jet2 ever consider Bfs - Lgw? We need an early morning departure, late return and a service that offers seat allocation. I believe that they would hold their own very well, probably causing Flybe problems on their Bhd service.

True Blue

[jet2_at_blk]

Does anybody know how many aircraft will be based at each base, and which aircraft they will be (752, 733, 734, BAe 146).

I know MAN and BFS are getting the two 734s, but what about the 752s, MAN and LBA?

[crewboi83]

NCL will have 2x 733QC 2x 757 and 1x 146
BFS will have 1x 733QC 1x734
BLK will have 2x 733
EDI will have 1x 733
STN will have 1x 733
Not sure about the exact numbers for MAN and LBA but as far as 757s go i think LBA will have 3 and MAN will have 2 plus the 734

[fredtheanorak]

Do J2 still have any turboprop cargo ops. Anyone know if they are recruiting freight jocks?:confused: :confused:

[4Screwaircrew]

Last of the props went some time ago fleet is now 737 and 757.

[lukeylad]

I think Jet2 have an Electra on lease for a mail run.

[Manston Airport]

They sure do Luke mate doing Ops EDI-STN-EDI :ok:


james

[14 loop]

Previously announced by the CAA on 13th March was the lease application for 1 Futura 737-400, March to October.

The expectation for the Summer is for 2 737-400s according to posts earlier in this thread.

Today, the CAA have announced, under their 'expedited procedure', the application for the wet lease of Smart Wings 737-500 between 25th March and 31st May only.

My assumption is that this aircraft replaces the need for 1 of the Futura 737-400s until the peak Summer when another 734 will be drafted in.

Any comments? Given that the 734s are headed fro MAN & BFS, second assumption is that this 735 will go to one of these bases. Is that the case?

[Johnny F@rt Pants]

Actually there's 2 leased a/c for MAN, a 737-400 by Futura, and a 737-500.

The other Futura 737-400 is bound for BFS.

[freightdoggy dog]

Hey 4screw, heard it landed last night at STN with 3 props feathered. Must of been very interesting for the 2 man operation up front. Tough as old boots them Electras!

[MUFC_fan]

Have all the extra aircraft arrived in England for the new routes, or will they be flown in from Prague and Spain directly to their summer based airport?

Have they been delivered to Southend for spraying, or are they staying in the colours of their respected carriers?

Cheers.

[lba2006]

G-LSAH delivered to Leeds yesterday.

[14 loop]

The Futura / Smartwings will fly in their own colours, G-FLTC for the NCL-LGW will be white with Jet2 titles...G-LSAG/H/I are in full colours, 'AH having been delivered to LBA yesterday with 'AG rumoured to be enroute soon.

[Stanstedeye]

Two weeks ago there were two Jet2 757's at SEN for repaint.

[MUFC_fan]

So how many 752s due? 7?

Will they all be at MAN and LBA, or will NCL get one for their TFS flights?

Cheers

[14 loop]

Lba - 4 (g-lsaa, G, H & I)
Man - 2
Ncl - 2

[BAe 146-100]

And just to confirm it is 2x or 3x 733 for Blackpool?

146

[mmeteesside]

New route launched 1x weekly EDI-Avignon from 18th June on Saturday afternoons.

[MUFC_fan]

2 1/2. Remeber the convo in BLK thread?;)

3 based on = Mon, Thu, Fri, Sat, Sun
2 based on = Tue and Wed

Supposidly, the a/c is coming from EDI.

[Mr @ Spotty M]

The B757s are at SEN for more than just a repaint.

[MUFC_fan]

If LS are to keep the aircraft for afew more years, does anybody think they will have them retrofitted with winglets? Both of their a/c types are able to have the winglets attached, and would help cut down the fuel on those 733s which are fuel guzzlers compared to the A319/B738 that are operated by EZY and FR!

[Bell Rhyni]

Where's SEN?

[Bam Thwok]

does anybody think they will have them retrofitted with winglets? :
Nope.
would help cut down the fuel on those 733s which are fuel guzzlers compared to the A319/B738 that are operated by EZY and FR!:
Don't think the savings made in fuel would offset the costs of the retrofit with the time left on the airframes....remember, Jet2 "owns" it's a/c through mortgages. The costs of this are but a fraction compared to the company leasing shiny new A319s/B738s.

SEN : "Saafend" mate !

[crewboi83]

14_loop
AA will be in NCL for start of summer, as will AE
But im sure we'll see other machines pass through in the summer
AH AI AG have all been fitted with 238 seats so they will be better used in Leeds no doubt.

[MUFC_fan]

I thought the 752 could only hold 220 seats? Or is that in a 'normal' config, not a LCC?

How many do AA,AB,AC,AD,AE have?

Cheers.

[crewboi83]

LSAA - 228 (may have been put up to 235)
LSAB - 228 (not 100%)
LSAC - 235
LSAD - 235
LSAE - 235
LSAG - 238
LSAH - 238
LSAI - 238

I dont know many airlines with 220 seats on a 757
TCX/MYT/TOM/FCA/FJE/XLA are all between 233-235
Lowest seat config ive known is BA with 180, or Air Scandics leased 757 from Finnair with 227 seats

[BAe 146-100]

Smart Wings 735 has been operating out MAN today; it’s done the new MAN-CDG-MAN service.

737

[Polehill.flt70]

If LS are to keep the aircraft for afew more years, does anybody think they will have them retrofitted with winglets? Both of their a/c types are able to have the winglets attached, and would help cut down the fuel on those 733s which are fuel guzzlers compared to the A319/B738 that are operated by EZY and FR!

A man after my own heart!! A few words with a man in the know a couple weeks ago and indeed the idea of retro-fitting winglets has been sort of decided. However, the money at the moment is being used to buy the 757's. It was said that the next couple of years would see Jet2 733's with winglets!!

Oh boy I can't wait. :8

[Kestrel_909]

I see BFS is only getting a 734 and 733QC, will all the routes to/from Belfast be operated by these two, barr the Leeds flights operated by an LBA based 733?

[exrotarybooty]

Sorry guys, totally confused.

What are '733' ,'734' and 735 aircraft; I thought they were 737s or 757s operated by Jet2?

ERB

[HOODED]

733 = 737-300 Series

734 = 737-400 Series

735 = 737-500 Series

Therefore 752 = 757-200 Series & 753 = 757-300 Series etc:ok:

[crewboi83]

Jet2 only operate the 737-300 though
The 737-400s are from Futura of spain
The 737-500 is from Smartwings of Ch republic
Both are just leased aircraft for busy summer season

[MUFC_fan]

I see BFS is only getting a 734 and 733QC, will all the routes to/from Belfast be operated by these two, barr the Leeds flights operated by an LBA based 733?

The BLK flights are both operated by BLK based 733s.

[skill]

so what about the belfast 757...i hear its due to arrive end of the year?????

[MUFC_fan]

Haven't heard anything about that. Does this mean all of the bases will get a 752 by next year?

NCL, LBA and MAN already have them. If BFS get one this winter, could EDI and BLK have them by next summer?

Maybe LS will end up operating a full fleet of 752s. They are certainly going the way of the charter carriers on that front!:}

If all the 733s were disposed of by say, 2009, could this mean the airline looks at the smaller 787/350 a/c? They both hold around 250 seats, and have far better take-off and range facilities.

Just goes to show. EZY and FR are operating a/c dont exceed 156 and 189 seats respectively, while LS flies around Europe in it's 238 seater jets, while in competition with EZY at NCL and BFS!

Good luck to LS, and I certainly hope you loose the 733s and keep the 752s coming!:D

[MUFC_fan]

BA kicked it's arse...unfortunately.:ouch:

Also, VLM, AB, BA (LHR) and BMI didn't help!:uhoh:

[TheDesertFerret]

I have a feeling Sir Richard Branson did most of the ass-kicking London-Manchester.

[crewboi83]

BA 1 Jet2 4
BA may have beat jet2 on the LGW run, however since Jet2 started AMS FCO PSA NCE to name a few, BA have pulled off the route!
It makes sense to move the flight to NCL where there is little compition, especially with no other carriers to LGW

[Shed-on-a-Pole]

The Gatwick slots held by Jet2 were redeployed to a new LGW - NCL service. The move was announced (very) shortly after BA announced it was withdrawing from the route. Hence, Jet2 has a monopoly on LGW - NCL but faced stiff competition on LGW-MAN. Sadly for MAN, the Newcastle run simply offered a more lucrative financial opportunity.

[take-off]

Have seen on J2 website ,that from november , they are starting to charge £3 per bag that gets checked in, a brighter noteis that they have up the allowance fro 18kg to 20kg, still think it stinks a bit due to fact if ur goin on hols then ur going to be checking in baggage, still at least its not as expensive as ryanair,

[Mr.Brown]

They'd better be bringing in this charge to pay for our pay rise that we haven,t heard anything about yet!!!!:ugh:

[silverhawk]

It's more of a case of 'monkey see, monkey do'

They see Ryanair do somthing and they simply follow. As Woody would say in Toy Story 'That's not flying, it's just falling with style'.

Well this isn't management, it's just copying.

Since the introduction of dual basing and the B scale contracts we are doing exactly that, falling with style.

As happens so often, those at the coalface can see the obvious failings before those with the authority to fix things do. Have they been listening?

[MUFC_fan]

Isn't LS more of an EZY than LS?

EZY&LS: BCN
FR: GRO/REU

EZY&LS: AMS
FR: EIN

EZY and LS seem to serve the 'bigger' airports and base alot of their UK flights around the Spanish and Portugese sun-spots (AGP, ALC, FAO etc) whereas FR tend to use sun-spots such as Seville and Granada.

This is why we see a price difference:

EZY&LS: 20.99 GBP single (inc. taxes)
FR: 5 GBP (inc. taxes)

[kingdee]

We are now in april the Summer season and LS have not released there winter 07 flights, when will these flights go on sale from LBA ...
Or are they waiting until the new owners of LBA are announced .I believe there is still a secret bidder .All will be released sortly after 10 pm this evening<:ok:

[airhumberside]

Hardly any airlines have released their winter flights yet. Expect them to come over the next couple of months. Jet 2 recently put MAN-Malaga/Murcia on sale for winter and next summer

[MUFC_fan]

LS have now announced more MAN routes for this winter and next summer:

Advert link removed

ALC: Winter - Ranges from twice weekly to six times weekly
Summer - Daily

AGP: Winter - Ranges from twice weekly to six times weekly
Summer - Daily

MJV: Winter - Ranges from three times weekly to daily
Summer - 11 times weekly

PMI: Winter - No operations
Summer - Daily

I'm sure most of these orutes will be editted in the coming months, as all but the PMI flight nearly changes schedule every week! Will probably be like this until they can firm the amount of planes they will be having for W07/8 and S08.

[rufus.t.firefly]

Have Prague and Amsterdam flights from Blackpool been canned , tried to book for later in the year and they both finish in June 2007 (3rd).

Anbody in the know like to update:uhoh:

[take-off]

Has anybody noticed that J2 are advertising holidays to the Costa Almeria from blackpool? Its showing prices but no flights:ugh: :ugh: , , did think it was a computer error ,but its been on for nearly a month, just wondered if their looking to do a short summer season from blackpool, which may explain the amsterdam/prague flights ending in june:uhoh: :confused: .Still just me putting 2+2 =5!!:} :} . Any thoughts guys and gals?

[MUFC_fan]

Well, when most of the AMS flights depart, they are usually the same a/c as the arriving from PRG 30 minutes earlier. This means that the a/c will be sat on the ground after arriving from PMI at 11:50 most days.

This means that the a/c still has about 12 hours to fill...Almeria, Nice? Just think, the summer season may have started, but the REAL summer season (July-August) is still 3 months away!

[crewboi83]

Surely these flights would be in the jet2 website by now tho with only 3 months left to go

[take-off]

Well the Almeria holidays are still on the website departing blackpool.Its not as if the prices match another airport, so as it would be a computer mistake.They do look like genuine worked out prices:confused: :confused: . On another not ,still can book prague or amsterdam after 3 june:( .

[MUFC_fan]

LS website saying that full winter 07/08 schedule to be released soon.

We'll then find out new routes, and hopefully more will be added during the remaining summer months!:D

[take-off]

Report on front of local paper tonight, saying prague flights have been axed due to operational reasons(poor pax numbers!). Wonder if this is the same reason that you can't book Amsterdam after 4 June? If you can't make these flights work from blackpool, what other destinations other than the bucket and spade spanish ones already covered would work, pity now Jet2 havent got the Tenerife flight running through summer, but guess thats down to shortage of planes. Maybe the airport should be looking at another operator besides J2, although i'm sure they are, be nice to get some more destinations...........:)

[MUFC_fan]

Maybe the honeymoon of LS at BLK is coming to an end, and the airport is now feeling the rath of poor support from the public.

Looking at the February results, the flights had mid 60% load factors. For a first summer season, this isn't bad for AMS and PRG when most holiday makers are looking at Spain, Portugal etc. I'm confident they will be back for the winter season though, after all, they must have had good enough loads last winter for them to carry on!

Lets hope for new routes at all the bases, and maybe some spanish routes will carry on through this winter, unlike last!

[robo283]

If there is a shortage of capacity elsewhere it would make commercial sense to suspend a couple of marginal routes and use the aircraft where they can make more £££. It is a calculated risk that noone else will step in and operate BLK-PRG, but probably one worth taking.

[boygeorgefan]

More routes are needed. Las Palmas, Larnaca, Corfu, Lisbon, Naples etc

[MUFC_fan]

Madrid and Athens?

[kingdee]

Anyone no when they will release the rest of winter07/08 schedule.Or are they hanging to see what other airlines are up to ?:rolleyes:

[crewboi83]

Anyone know anything to do with current rumours of flights being axed like AMS, PMI, AGP and TFS
Various rumours flying regarding return of the leased 146

[kingdee]

the AGP been axed very popular route
TFS - MAYBE
AMS - GOOD BREAD and Butter route
PMI - SEASONAL only
As 146 currently used ncl lgw , i could see them sending it back and using own acft.

Would like to know how the LBA-DUS DOES on a weekly basis ?

Also i am getting bad vibes regarding the fares from Jet2, they seem to change there offers daily.Also they are now turning out to be more expensive than other carriers not just the loco,s ???Has the Package Holiday market caused this ??

I recently returned from Alicante and it must have been an ex China Southern 757 and i must say it was well used inside even chinese writing in the cabin ( with english conversation of course)

Does Mr Meeson have any future plans to replace old with new ?

Dont get me wrong i love LS but put me 0n a nice Fr 737-800 or Ezy A319 ANYDAY

[robo283]

Exactly what are the rumours saying? :confused:

[kingdee]

where i get Ls pax figures from for individual routes?

[POL1W]

You can't book NCL-AMS after June 3. Timetable ends on that day. Suppose chopping the AMS would mean the leased 146 which must be expensive to operate, can go back, and the 737 can go onto the LGW.
That's the only rumour I've heard.

[wawkrk]

Jet2 on course for record year after flying start to summer
05.05.07

Low cost airline Jet2 has had its busiest start to summer trading ever. Year-on-year passenger figures for holidaymakers flying with the airline on May 1 were up 58 percent on 2006, boosted by the launch of its packaged holiday business.

The Leeds Bradford Airport-based airline has enjoyed rapid growth since launching, but passenger figures for May 1, and pre-bookings for the remainder of May, are already in excess of 50 percent up on 2006, the airline said. It is on target to carry more than 4m customers in its current financial year.

The airline said that the successful launch of its unique package holiday business Jet2holidays.com had boosted trading. Mandy Round, General Manager of Jet2holidays.com, said: 'May 1 was the day we officially started taking customers on holidays packaged together using our own low cost flights. The take-up for our packaged holidays has been fantastic and has contributed to such a strong start to summer trading - the sales growth is even more remarkable at a time when there has been such a huge amount of consolidation in the package tour sector.'

'We have managed to outmanoeuvre the bigger tour operators by sticking to three very straightforward principles. Firstly, we are ultra-competitive on price and we can do this by providing 'market rate', as-it-happens pricing, not brochure prices which may have been set and published last year. Secondly, our properties are three to five-star only, which is not typical for package holidays, especially low-priced deals, so our customers can be assured of excellent accommodation when they arrive in their named hotel, apartment or resort. Finally, we take customer service extremely seriously and we believe that just because we offer excellent value for money, our standards should not be compromised.'

The airline said that it was on schedule to smash its annual passenger figures. It expects to carry around 4.4m in this financial year.

[crewboi83]

Kingdee... you have to remember one thing, 10 years ago with EZY and FR started flying (roughly) they used old aircraft, EZY has 737-300 (same as Jet2 used to SET UP the airline) and also Ryanair used 737-200.
Jet2 is only about 5yrs old now... maximum! so eventually yes brand new aircraft will be added. But for the mean time Jet2 still seems to get so many passengers, and I cant tell you how many compliments are recieved regarding cabin crew, service, time keeping etc etc
Something is obviously been done right, if Jet2 are on target to smash 4.4million pax this year.
Regarding Rumours....
AGP is staying! - no changes to times or operating aircraft
LGW is time chaging, 1 morning, 1 afternoon, 1 tea time
AMS is axed (low loads)
KRK is being upgraded to 757 but only on mon and fri now, sat service axed.
NCL will still see 5 based units, 3x 737 2x 757
More routes to be added for winter such as LPA.
As the summer season slowly kicks in passenger figures on board are steadily rising! altho some flights may only got with 140 pax on a 757 to AGP or PMI, its 140 pax that would have travelled with EASY last year prob, so I dont think they are doing anything bad here.
Flightline 146 is going back and being exchanged for a MD80 which will be BLK based anyway.
i wouldnt say AMS is bread and butter route, Id say MJV and ORK would be that! they are always busy flights! as is that BGO in the summer.

[Flightrider]

NCL-LGW is definitely going up to 733 from 1 June. Not sure where the 146 is going to - even if it is going back to Flightline.

[en2r]

Id say MJV and ORK would be that! they are always busy flights!

Do you know how Cork is doing since they increased the frequency to 5 per week?

[crewboi83]

it still gets good loads, especially Thu/Fri and Sun
Travel these days and you can expect to see laods of 130 upwards both directions, on quieter days maybe just under 100 each way

[en2r]

crewboi83
Thanks for the info. Good to see the route doing well. Its obviously benefited from Baby closing ORK-MME

[Charlie Roy]

ORK - NCL route also benefitting from the Roy-Keane-at-Sunderland effect. Next season the route will be thronged on the weekends of home matches :ok:

[OltonPete]

Per a local forum JET2 have an aircraft based at BHX from tomorrow until Saturday operating back and forth to Alicante.

It is no surprise in winter to have a "spare" for such flights and indeed BHX has had a few JET2 corporate charters during last winter.

Do JET2 have a spare rostered for the whole summer for such charters and to cover tech delays?

Or is it a case that this aircraft starts schedule ops in a few weeks?

It is only one flight a day but for five days in a row.

I was just surprised to that an airline such as JET2 would have a spare aircraft in the 2nd week of May but I assume it must be viable or they simply would not consider it.

Pete

[Ian Brooks]

You do find that Jet2 are not as tight on schedules as some others so have the flexibility should a problem occur, I suppose this is because the aircraft are quite mature and don`t have to be earning pennies every minute of the day

Ian

[Fandango71]

anything new from LBA this winter? incidentally when will winter flights go on sale??

[MUFC_fan]

As you can see, there are many people wanting to know when the winter schedule becomes available. If they are to gain a stance on EZY at NCL, BFS and EDI, then they need to produce something soon!

Also, TOM and ZB have released their services from MAN for the winter. I suppose that is why LS released some of their hot spot routes earlier this year, to refrain from loosing competiton to these carriers.

At BLK and LBA, there is not much competiton (if any!), so these two bases are probably less important compared to the others at the moment.

[kingdee]

I live WITHIN 1h15MINS OF MAN/LBA/LPL/DSA Lba is my nearest but i am looking at Zb MAN-FAO for the winter as JET2 have not got their flights on sale yet ex LBA so they are going to lose my business unless they release within the next week .

[cesare.caldi]

EDI-BGY and BFS-BGY will be operated in winter or are only seasonal summer routes?

[14 loop]

Don't forget that Jet2 (Channel Express as was) have maintained a base at Stansted where the aircraft (a 737) is used specifically for passenger charter work of all kinds. Can't say for sure but this could be the aircraft involved in the series of BHX flights.

Also fair to say that the schedule from the main bases is still not in full operation - from Leeds some of the current daily routes still have to go double / tripple daily whilst other destinations (Toulouse, Almeria & Valencia) don't start until next week.

I would counter MUFC fan's asertion that bases without competition are less important - I reckon Jet2 are able to extract better yield from these bases than those where they are subject to ZB, EZY and the suchlike.

[LEEDS APPROACH]

Hi, my first post. With regard to reorganisation of LS flights at NCL / BLK, is this in any way connected to behind the scenes dealings at LBA (Bridgepoint)? Could they be used on new routes / frequencies from LBA, or is it wishful thinking on my part? Suppose these planes will have to do something? regards, APP.

[MUFC_fan]

Hi and welcome to the forum.

I don't know whether you have read earlier in the thread, but at BLK, it is still necessary to have 3 a/c based on the days that the extra aircraft is there.

Take Sunday for example:

ALC - 8.50
PMI - 6.00
FAO - 9.00

[LEEDS APPROACH]

Hi,

noticed a few LS morning LBIA flights on Wed. 30th May are not running. Any ideas? Fleet photocall along the apron for promo? Baffled.

Regards,

APP.

[LEEDS APPROACH]

Cheers MUFC FAN (I've never said that before-we'll be back.).

your reply has set me thinking. Do LS do any W legs into fellow bases to minimise the downtime when routes are part week?-I don't think so. Why not? I would be interested in any opinions.

Regards,

APP.

[crewboi83]

Actually they do.... or did rather
In the winter they operated MAN-CMF-NCL-CMF-MAN, Im sure there is a BFS-PRG-EDI-PRG-BFS or something very similar going on as well.
Not sure if it still goes ahead but the MAN-PRG on a sunday was ment to be a W pattern as well but not sure how it goes now.

Like Ian says, Jet2's aircraft have a bit of give in the sched's to allow for catch up with delays, so unlike easyjet if 1 aircraft goes tech you dont have to re shuffle the whole base like they do sometimes in NCL.
And as these a/c are OWNED and not leased like other airlines, whatever money they make is Jet2s and not the leasing comapany, so they dont have to fly 6-8 sectors a day

[ph-gjk]

Im sure there is a BFS-PRG-EDI-PRG-BFS or something very similar going on as well

BFS-PRG-BLK-PRG-BFS

[crewboi83]

Thanks, I knew the poor BFS guys has a crappy 4 sector day, and a long one at that.

[GoEDI]

Not sure if it still goes ahead but the MAN-PRG on a sunday was ment to be a W pattern as well but not sure how it goes now.

Sunday PRG operates EDI-PRG-MAN-PRG-EDI.

[gate 22]

Just read on the jetstream express thread about rumours that Jet 2 are to axe Blk-Bfs, I thought this route was popular in fact I thought they were to increase frequency. In fact if they pull BFS there won't be much left at BLK. Jet 2 seem very quiet at the moment, they had been tempting us with an imminent further release of winter/summer 08 flights weeks ago, but its all went quiet. They seem to be in a period of reflection on their routes so maybe thats where the rumours are from. Does anyone know out there.

[crewboi83]

Lots of rumours flying around about jet2! id sit pretty and see what happens, they wont go anywhere.... just pondering what to do next i would imagine.. low cost airlines are runnin out of destinations, time to cross the pond maybe?

[EI-BUD]

I would not be at all surprised if Jet2 axed BFS BLK it is now x2 daily and before it went to X2 it was only achieving 50s in % terms of loads or 60 at most, The double daily was in a bid to get more business traffic and from what i can see the BLK routes are more of a leisure nature, IE the sun routes do well... any comments?

[dwlpl]

The first rotation of the day (Monday to Friday) on the Blackpool/Belfast Int has indeed been axed from 4th June.

[homer09001]

Jet2 have anounced they are to pull there Amsterdam route all together as well as their gatwick on a weekend

reason behind the Amsterdam withdrawl is due to competition with KLM flying there 5 times a day.

reason behind the gatwick reduction is due to lakc of buisness on a weekend which figures

[Delta 8]

Rather than starting a new thread, why not put this in the JET 2 thread!:ok:

[10 DME ARC]

See NCL or J2 threads but;
Ref Homer09001 thread on J2@NCL, the Gatwick has not been dropped over the weekend, the Saturday flight has been cancelled during July & August I guess to do other things?

[BigT2207]

Jet2 have announnced Winter Flights to Gran Canaria from Leeds, Manchester, Newcastle and Belfast.

Also Lanzarote This winter from Manchester and Newcastle.



Big T

[naughtynick_20]

jet2 are starting to launch winter schedule lanzarote and las palmas added for winter what else tho??

[mmeteesside]

NCL-Lanzarote is a predictable one as Flyglobespan are doing it this winter from MME.

[HH6702]

just wednesday and sundays left then 1 757 is flying all week
so maybe heres the following

wedensdays to paphos
sundays to SSH

hopefully these will go on sale in the next few days

[crewboi83]

There may only be one 757 flying in the winter, other one will prob go to BFS.
AGP and MJV will prob go back to 737 for winter, unless there is something else up Jet2s sleeve, you never know with these guys

[wawkrk]

Sods law seems to have struck Jet2 at LBA yesterday.
Many huge delays. It always happens when you slag off a competitor for flights never being on time.

[jet2impress]

don't think LBA was the only casualty, fligths at MAN and BLK had issues too. Just one of those days yesterday I think. Well done to all in ops and crewing for sorting it best they could! :D

[kingdee]

is there a reason behind all these delays tech/slots/crew or what just checked arrivals and most flights were running over 1 hour late which i not too good rellly.I know they are one 757 down in AGP needing new engine but surly they have a spare acft :confused:

[redmech]

there was 4 tech / aog a/c as i know of, ( could have been more ) the delays were down to the shuffling of the a/c around to cover each.

[crewboi83]

Still running late again today then, NCL's 757 flights running about 3 hours late each... and titans ZAPU has been sent in to cover the NCL MJV NCL
I hope this dosnt go on much longer.... if jet2 are trying to compete with Easyjet on the PMI and AGP they are not doing a good job at getting the flight out on time

[Eaglestar7]

Doesn't help when Blackpool airport shuts at 00:00 :eek: and then the passenger have to coach back from Leeds.

[take-off]

Cant see how its the airports fault, if the flights coming back are late. Only way u can blame them, is if they are slow turning the aircraft round in the first place, but if its down to delays during the day. Im sure if it was cost effective to stay open ,they would , but there are probably many factors why they dont. Im guessing the passengers would hardly be very happy either,just one of the problems of runnin an older fleet i would imagine, at least J2 try to get u home , more than many other locos would do.Personally ,I would rather get home late, than not at all!

[jet2impress]

We are talking like the delays of the last couple of days happen on a regular basis. I can remember delays/tech problems like this for a long time. Think its just down to be bit of bad luck. :)

[Wellington Bomber]

If I remember rightly, on an episode of Airline (Orange Show) some passengers were booked to Newcastle from Rome and the Newcastle flight was cancelled, and they were rebooked on the Bristol flight and dumped there, and if they wanted to catch the Scheduled flight the next day from Bristol they were charged the the full whack.

My point is Good for Jet 2 if they are stumping up the cash and laying on coaches for pax to get back to Blackpool. Easyjet should be ashamed.

[flyer55]

How are Jet 2 doing on the ncl - lgw route ?

[MUFC_fan]

Does anybody think that LS maybe a customer if the older FR a/c when they retire, such as EI-CSA etc?

[redmech]

Anything possable, they are short of a/c

[gate 22]

Due to rumours of low loads on jetstream express Belfast-Blackpool, flights cancelled etc, would jet2 not pick up on this and keep their morning flight Blackpool-Belfast on, until jetstream express gives up on the route all together or am I missing something.

[MUFC_fan]

Why would they waste 000s of pounds with only a 38% load for a small start up carrier?

[Lord Toofouright]

Took the Memsahib away as the old girl deserves it sometimes. Decided to treat her to an excursion with Jet2 from Manchester to LEPA (PMI), with all the trimmings. Checked-in on line and booked the seat to save on having to queue at check-in. Couldn't quite go the whole hog and take extra leg room seats, - I mean steady on!!
Arrived at 04.40 with friends who had been churlish and decided not to check-in online. They went off to join a sizeable queue, whilst we joined a queue at the Express Bag drop?? Queue, what's this then? After some twelve minutes, without moving a further inch, I left Lady Toofouright and went to enquire as to how JET2 define the word Express? With that I returned to the queue having recieved no answer to the question, BUT another fast bag drop desk was opened almost immediately. TOP RESULT :D, except that our two friends chuckled as they passed by :E, having checked in, and were now on their way to join the security queue. We joined the same security queue some ten minutes later :*!
Dash-it-all, it made me look a right chump, and some extra lolly down the drain to boot. Doubt if there would be any avenue for any comeback either? Lesson learned however,- won't be switching on the old pc to check-in anymore!!:=
Now where was that thread about the poor retailers and how they are suffering a downturn in profits as no body is shopping with them anymore? _ They won't with only two people serving and sixty six customers waiting, ----W. H. Smith!!! :yuk:
PS Changing the family name soon to Lord and Lady Tootreeright !! (Around the 7th of June I think)!?;)

[IB4138]

Ah yes!

The jet2 baggage drop at Manchester, the manning of which appears to be some form of punishment or where to place newer staff, by the attitude observed when duties are allocated by the duty manager. As it is at the far end, away from the other manned check-in desks, it appears that the unfortunates are being put in solitary and cannot talk to their colleagues whilst they work. :rolleyes:

[gate 22]

Why would they waste 000s of pounds with only a 38% load for a small start up carrier?

Because small can get bigger and cause you problems down the line

[nospeedrestriction9]

I imagine Jet2 are too busy worrying about the expansion of Ryanair at LBA.

It's only one route this time but could it be a signal of more things to come. If it does no doubt it will kerb Jet2's expansion.

[phoneman]

This is not just a whinge, although it mainly is. Why do I have either to get up at about 03:00 to catch a flight at 06:00 ish, or else fly out at 21:15, and arrive at 03:00 the next day (given the delay to LS273 last Sunday). Tried them both, neither are pleasant so I am flyng from DSA in July even though I live in N Leeds.

[DONTTELLTHEPAX]

You can always fly with another Airline !
I think you will find that a 6am slot is a very good one,
gets you there about 8am then at your hotel soon after,
a bite to eat, a little siesta, then the night is all yours
sounds good to me :ok:.

[kingdee]

WILL get my business at the moment they seem to really struggling with many delays some quite lengthy .Seems to be the 757 are tech quite a lot and the 737 is not far behind .Just booking flights to PMI and opted to fly with zb FROM man even thouhgh LS were cheaper .And yes i do understand it is pot luck if you incur a delay .But looking at the STATS LS are na performing too well

[LEEDS APPROACH]

Hi Phoneman,

It is standard practice for airlines to offer 3 rotations (there and backs) to European destinations each day from the UK. Early departure / daytime departure / evening or night time departure. Because Alicante is a high demand route Jet2 have decided that these, what you describe as unpleasant departure times, are to be used on this route (i.e. demand will still be high). This allows less popular or fledgling routes, such as Valencia, to be flown as the middle route of the day ('pleasant' departure times)-this obviously maximises demand. If demand from local people remains high for Alicante, despite early and late departure times, an afternoon Alicante departure would be installed (this happened to the Malaga flight). This allows the airline to continue to increase the number of destinations from the airport that serves our great city. It is interesting to note that Valencia was tried from the airport that you have chosen but abandoned because of lack of demand. Every time that you choose to ignore your local airports / airlines offering of the destination you require, whether because of departure time or cost etc-a little bit of damage is done. Jet2 now offer 28 destinations from LBIA, with more to come. They support hundreds of Leeds and Yorkshire jobs. I just feel that the people of West Yorkshire should thank them and support them whenever possible. Basically if you USE it, not only will you not LOSE it but you'll be able to fly to an ever growing list of destinations, at a low price from YOUR local airport.

Regards,

App.

[Mr.Brown]

kingdee,
Not entirely pot luck about incuring a delay. You've chosen to fly with an airline that has overall a much younger fleet. All of Jet2's fleet is very old, not enough engineers to cover those aging aircraft (especially the 757's which are manpower intensive). There is no flexability in Jet2's fleet there's no spare aircraft at any time of the day(not so sure about Monarch).
But Playing the odds you've made the safe bet!

[Ian Brooks]

I would say that Jet2 has more flexibility than Monarch as Monarch work their aicraft very hard whereas Jet2 appear to have a few gaps which can help to pull schedules back together. However their fleet is a lot older, but if the gremlins move in doesn`t matter how old the aircraft is

Ian

[LEEDS APPROACH]

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They'd better be bringing in this charge to pay for our pay rise that we haven,t heard anything about yet!!!!:ugh:


Either

1, Disgruntled employee with axe to grind? (Don't think so.)

2, Scared opposition at Jet2s popularity?

3, Scared opposition at Jet2s growth rate?

Jet2 are a 757 down on what was planned. If anything they are guilty of trying to offer too much, too soon to too many.
I'm not a betting man but the stats (flightontime.info) (and there only stats) say that ZB flights have a greater average delay. Jet2 were top of the league and recent problems will not change this in the long run.

Regards,

App.

[airhumberside]

It is interesting to note that Valencia was tried from the airport that you have chosen but abandoned because of lack of demand
Valencia has never been srved from DSA. Only scheduled routes that have been dropped from DSA are DUB (TOM), GVA (EZY) and ORY (TOM)

[LEEDS APPROACH]

Hi airhumberside,

did they never start on May 20th 2005? If they did you owe me a pint.

Leeds App.

[POL1W]

They did, and they carried 1443 pax that month. Guess he owes you a pint.!:)

[wawkrk]

Regarding delay`s, check the link.
Jet2 No.1. Dont know where Thomsonfly are are in the stats from DSA.
http://www.flightontime.info/loco/loco.html
I use Jet2 30 - 40 times per year amongst others. They are usualy early rather than late. I am always impressed. Aircraft condition, absoutely OK compared with the rest of the industry in general.Flightdeck crews amongst the best.
I have taken more than 1,000 flights with KLM and and some of their fleet are downright scruffy.
It`s always the 2 holiday flights per year waller`s who complain.
When you have flown with more than 50 airlines, then you can form accurate opinions.
Also check:http://www.flightontime.info/loco/loco.html
Keep up the good work Jet2.

[kingdee]

2 flights land from BFS within 4 minutes of each into LBA WAS one a div ?Surly Mr Meeson must be looking at some kind of fleet renewal i know they actually own most (if not all their a/c) but the 757 are ex China Southern and must have been well worked must be knocking on 20 - 25 years old.
I do like jet2 used them over 50 times in the past year or so but i much prefer flying aboard a newer acft

[Mr.Brown]

The 757's are all old and will cause alot more problems this summer. The engineers are going to need more time on them at night to give them the TLC they require.
Maybe some day PM will upgrade the fleet!
Another 757 would go a long way to help and two would be great.
Leeds Approach, "Discruntled Employee" me, never. The amount of money I'm getting out of the company at the moment. These old sheds are paying for my kids to go to private school, my wife's getting a boob job and I'm buying a place in spain.
I love working for jet2.

[airhumberside]

My apologies with Valencia, must have been dropped pretty quickly

[take-off]

Dnt know about everyone else, but i like an early flight to start a holiday with, means you get to your destination sooner....:D:ok::ok::ok:

[maat]

The 757's are all old


True, but no older than some of Thompsonflys and younger than MyTravel's recently retired fleet. The 737's are all old too, but no older than some of BA's at LGW, or some of BMI Baby's.

Another 757 would go a long way to help and two would be great.


True again, but no suitable aircraft available. Ones previously earmarked too corroded (so I heard from engineers).

not enough engineers to cover those aging aircraft (especially the 757's which are manpower intensive).

Right on this one also. But there is a shortage of engineers too as well as pilots and secondhand aircraft. Non knowing the B757, why would it be any more labour intensive than a B737?

there's no spare aircraft at any time of the day

If there had of been, it would be flying anyway and one of the wet leases terminated.

Aircraft reliabilty is no worse than any other airline I've worked for. Crews ability to deal with routine operational and tech issues, not so good due to inexperienced crews. But no less inexperienced than any other (comparable) airline at the moment, the experience level in the industry has fallen over these last few years.

The operation has become more challenging this year with the B737's mostly being B1 now. But if you think this operation is challenging, try operating a -200 series (even older at the time, even more performance limited, and even more tech problems) over a summer charter season. And this is before we start to operate such gems as Corfu..

my wife's getting a boob job

Fantastic, enjoy them

[cesare.caldi]

When will be put on sale Jet2 Italian routes for the winter season?

[Mr.Brown]

Right on this one also. But there is a shortage of engineers too as well as pilots and secondhand aircraft. Non knowing the B757, why would it be any more labour intensive than a B737?
1) More seats, more pax = more cabin defects.
2) More wheels and brakes = more wear.
3) More doors with more complicated escape slides = more time to change a slide or lube a door.
4) You even need a set of steps just to get in the E/E bay or service the Hyd which all take time.
5) different inspections criteria ie. Eng MCD's are more frequent than the 737.
I could go on but I think you get the picture.

[MUFC_fan]

Does anybody think that LS will launch Jet2Ski alongside Jet2Holidays? Flights to Milan, Geneva and Chambery with accomodation and private transfers? Or will they be waiting to see if the Spanish/Portugese side of the business work out?

[FlyZB]

Does anyone know why G-LSAD still hasn't been painted in the full C/S? Is this aircraft only on a short term lease? I've seen it at MAN a few times this week and it looks pretty naff to be honest in that makeshift white colour scheme.

Also, parked up next to it today was the leased Futura 734 in a blue colour scheme and the ChanEx 733 which I believe is STN based in a green colour scheme, both with makeshift Jet2.com titles painted on. I know these aircraft are covering the extra summer traffic out of MAN but the varying schemes look extremely tacky and don't give a good image of the airline.

[14 loop]

I believe 'AD is owned, not leased.....think the only reason it didn't get the full paintjob was the fact she was needed in service in quicktime.

[robo283]

Full paint jobs are mega-expensive and take quite a while so would generally only be done when the a/c is on a major overhaul or prior to entering service. If there wasn't time before AD came on line it would be perceived as low priority.

When a/c are leased in short-term, e.g. Futura, it simply isn't worth a full repaint as it all has to be done again when the lease ends (plus of course LS would cop for the bill both times as Futura wouldn't benefit from the LS colour scheme).

Back in the good old days of Orion Airways we had an Air Belgium 737 on lease with a red and yellow scheme, which jared somewhat with our normal house colours (tasteful brown, orange and yellow: the a/c looked like a flying Jaffa cake).

[PTH needs tarmac]

There has been a Jet2Ski section, and Jet2Golf too, on the website for a couple of years, but it is not always very clearly positioned. I don't recall if they offered full packages for those two sports, more like promotion of destinations where you can do them, transfer information, and links to ski resorts/golf centres. Perhaps, given the development of Jet2Holidays, more comprehensive sports packages may be made available in the future.

PTH

[lukeylad]

When G-LSAD was purchased Jet2 wanted her in service as quick as possible so just a basic paint job was done to save time and get her operating.

[Jamesair]

Winter 07/08 flights to Chambery/Geneva/Salzburg will be released tomorrow (12th June).

[tornado15]

Heard yesterday from a reliable source that Jet2 have purchased 2 767s due to the shortage of suitable 757s. Seems most of their 757 guys have done the 767 upgrade conversion. Interesting times ahead for Jet2.

[jet2impress]

I can't see it. Don't know where the money would come from. They are p**sing it all down the drain at the mo on daily wet leases! Schedule is a right mess at the mo. :ugh:

[MUFC_fan]

'Ladies and gentleman, I would like to welcome you aboard this Jet2 flight from Leeds Bradford to Sanford International.'

It was only a matter of time. Yes, 752s are quite short at the moment with the revival of the trans atlantic feeder routes such as CO and GSM, and also DL who will join the club next summer with an EDI service. They may be short, but a 767 is WAYYY to big for a 752 replacement. It would cause mayhem on the short haul schedule, MAN would surely have enough stands for it, but its other bases would probably find it a lot harder to fit a 767 into their airport - BLK wouldn't even be able to provide a long enough runway! The 752 excuse is probably a cover up for a long haul venture, but if not, LS are certainly going to give it to EZY and FR. A 300 seater a/c against a 156 seater. Watch out EZY at BFS and NCL, LS are coming to town with some REAL machines!

[GEAR_DOWN]

'REAL MACCHINES' don't make me laugh!!! when you guys get newer machines which don't go tech all the time, then we will begin to worry, but we all know thays waaaaayyyyyyyyyy off and probably never will happen. Until then let us fly the real machines!:D

[Flightrider]

Any truth in the rumour that these are the two ex-Britannia 762s currently at XL?

[take-off]

whats with the multi colour, colour schem that jet 2 has going on , been manchester today, seen the grey/red tail, grey/grey tail, all white red writing, white/red jet2 on body blue tail, white red writing and green tail, and white with red writing on a blue tail with red writing on!!!! :eek:

Its worse than when BA had their multi coloured tails!!!!!:}:}:}:}

on a side note anyone know what the delays are with jet2 at blackpool lately?
4 hours for majorca the other day, alicante was almost 4 hours late yesterday, seems there having real problems this year....:confused: you get the feeling that blackpool, is just an after thort for them now , what with ever other bases gettin new routes except blk,

[MUFC_fan]

I certainly hope that BLK does prosper with the airline!

I am wanting to know if any of the people 'in the know' in the airline could give me any idea of when the airline are going to release their BLK winter schedule and if FAO is still going to be involved? Unless, LPL and EZY will be carrying me to the winter sun!:}

[bartelby]

you will find when Jet2 are about to drop a route, they begin to have a dont care attitude. See past Man-Edi and LGW delays and cancellation.

BLK be warned!!! :*

It will be a shame if this is the case BLK started off so well....

[Skypartners]

I just had a shuftie (how dya spell it) around the country and - well would ya look at that - seems a lot of planes are going t*ts up with all manner of airlines, incl. flag carriers, on heritage routes at airports that they don't look likely to be vacating. I also note that the supply airlines are working all over the shop and can't have many planes left. Seems the recent Jet2 delays at BLK (and elsewhere btw) are a symptom of a bigger problem - the one we get every summer - too many flights, too few crew/equipment and all of the contingency already deployed. Heck I even recall Thomas Cook subbing for Tfly a couple of years back at CVT - looked proper weird on the apron and certainly broke down the barriers of competition!

I am hoping for my sake that this possible explanation is more plausible than the one about Jet2 losing interest.

[robo283]

From what I am told, 76s are just as scarce as 75s. LBA handles 76s as a matter of course and they wouldn't necessarily have to go to BLK, EDI etc. I'd like to see a 767 in one of the LS colour schemes (Legend has it that the difference is due to the former Mrs. Meeson having come up with the name 'Jet2' and the grey/grey scheme so it all had to change when the divorce came through) but I will believe it when I see it. Is your source reliable, tornado?

[MUFC_fan]

What LS needs to do is decide - Boeing or Airbus and get some B737-700 and 900ERs or A320/1s ordered before the airlines such as BE and EZY start to pick them out as the major polluters in the UK aviation with their older planes.

It may not be true, but if EZY can mention the age of the aircraft and the age of their own, then the public could believe anything!

I personally hope that they will make a decision for 30 firm and 30 options of Airbus products quite soon, getting rather bored with the pointy nosed Boeings!;)

[lukeylad]

To be fair i dont really see what every one is making such a fuss about Both of the Uks other major low cost airlines started out with older aircraft and then after so many years started getting in brand new kit. I cant see Jet2 placing big orders for next generation Kit till for a few more years yet.

[MUFC_fan]

Yes...but was Europe so bothered about eco-friendly travel.

EZY and BE are looking ruthless with their new 'aircraft' and paint jobs, but could they go one step further and pick out the airlines, such as LS, who operate older a/c.

I know this sounds a pathetic reason not to travel with an airline, but we can see that anything is possible with the increase in APD because air travel produces 2% of all CO2 emmisions!:ugh: Who shall we pick on this year?...Aviation.

Next year it will be the sea industry.:rolleyes:

I think the only thing that is holding LS back is that it owns all of it's aircraft, and so all profit made is theirs, whereas operating aircraft either leased long term or on a massive loan will mean alot leaner company than at present.

[take-off]

well another day, another delay!!!! blk showing another delay on the palma flight, people will start to book else where if this carries on all summer, it will give them a bad reputation, looking at it, they really need to get some newer aircraft, all the extra work the 'ol girls' are doing, is really taking its toll. Appreciate it happensto all airlines, but when your the main operator at an airport , it doesnt give a very good image.:(

[silverhawk]

Nothing to do with the age of the aircraft.

It's the leased aircraft that is now missing that is causing Blk all the problems. Ask Titan to explain.

[take-off]

point is though, people have booked to fly with jet2!, now where the plane comes from i supose doesnt matter to some people, as long as its there in the first place!!! Dnt matter a dot ,whether its a jet2 or titan or be it a monarch/BA/Ryanair/Easy or whoevers, end of the day the paying public have booked with jet2, even if its out of j2 control, the pax will blame j2for the problem... which returns to the fact , it will get them a bad image...best form of advertising is by word of mouth, it can also be the worst!!!!

Its like going into a supermarket and finding the shelves always empty, You end up going elsewhere, and rarely going back, cause you know you cant get what you want, People wont book if they think ther goin to get delayed.:ugh::uhoh:

[LBA]

And what about all the delays at LBA, with their own aircraft?

[robo283]

Trouble is, you can't just nip down to Planes'R'Us and take a few shiny new jets home with you. It takes years to get a new fleet ordered, built and delivered, along with crews taken off-line to train. So it's as you were for this year at least.

When it comes to sub-charters / short-term leases, competition goes out of the window. We would grab anything with wings to get the pax in the air if a 73 went tech, even if it was a bitter rival. They'd be equally happy ringing us up as well. We were all in it together.

[wawkrk]

The delays seem to be hit and miss. Today is ok, probably on average I would say all flights early.Departures normally a little bit late but they seem to make it up.What puzzles me,is the days where everything is delayed. This for sure cannot be several aircraft going tech at the same time.
There must be other reasons.And,Jet2 did not come top of the league last year regarding being on time for nothing.
All seems to have happened since the slagging off of Ryanair for always being late.As I said before, SODS law.Do not mix it with MOL PM.He eats babies.

[MUFC_fan]

And people want to know why LS need new a/c?:ugh:

[LBIA]

Hi

Well it looks as though Jet2 wont be replacing the fleet of B737-300's any time soon by looking at the signed deal with Pratt & Whitney at the Paris Air Show this week.

[kingdee]

Tonights Mjv - Lba has diverted any ideas why?
Pisa/Malaga and plenty of others late not looking too bright for mr meeson and co.
I even overheard a conversation in my local tonight about LS and these people had a bad experience and would never use them again .These guys are regular travellers.
Come on GUYS get your act together coz word spreads fast in Yorkshire and Mr Bridgepoint @ Lba won,t be happy if he can,t satisfy his equity holders :=

[cesare.caldi]

When will go on sale winter flights to Italy?

[robo283]

LBIA: Sorry, can't find anything about that on the PW website. Can you give us some more info?
I note that out of 66 Boeing and 728 Airbus orders / options, none were heading for Yorkshire. Maybe I should have checked the order books for sticky tape and rivets.....

[rudolf]

http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=109&STORY=/www/story/06-19-2007/0004610961&EDATE=

[robo283]

Blimey, 15 years! I'm impressed. The fleet will be well over thirty years old by then! Perhaps when they have finished a couple of rotations to Spain the 733s will be able to finish the day with a Dakota-style nostalgia trip! :uhoh:

[aviate2day]

Engines are a separate item to the airframe. So this maintenance contract could probabley be used for the P&W cfm56 on boeings or buses.

[jet2impress]

So what was the bad experience....?? Was their flight delayed by an hour or did they sell all the tuna sarnies on their flight? Or maybe both?

[14 loop]

Engines are a separate item to the airframe. So this maintenance contract could probably be used for the P&W cfm56 on boeings or buses.

The contract signed with P&W is specifically for parts/consumables which P&W are currently testing/certificating for the CFM56-3 engine. This engine in various guises is fitted to 737-300s/400s/500s - it is different from the other CFM56s such as the CFM56-5s (A319 to A340s) and the CFM56-7s fittted to NG737s.

Sounds to me that the 737-300s are here to stay!

[take-off]

have jet2 got fed up with blackpool? another 2hour plus delay for palma today? Still spose it keeps it interesting ,different day, different delay:}:}:}
Certainly gonna get a bad reputaion for time keeping, all these delays must be dragging them down this year compared to other airlines.... :hmm:

[Skypartners]

Take-off - you seem particularly focused on BLK despite widespread delays elsewhere - so what's the beef?

[MUFC_fan]

I think that he is particularly concerned with LS's position on the airport at the moment. Yes, GSM have been causing the delays that have made the news, but for an airline that are so proud of their on-time performance it is abit 'off colour.'

I personally believe he has a point about the delays, but for getting 'bored' of the airport, I see this as a little bit off the mark. LS are making HUGE money on their sun routes from the airport such as AGP, ALC, MJV, PMI, FAO etc and you can see this if you look on the BLK tread.

I don't think LS are going anywhere soon...

[Skypartners]

I don't doubt that delays are a pain - but as I have said b4 on here it is a widespread problem just about everywhere right now - and the BLK pax I speak to, whilst inconvenienced, are practical and do not see it as a reason not to fly from their local airport. Jet2 give their pax a decent value of refreshment vouchers - much more than most airlines do - and the seasoned traveller notices the gesture.

At the height of J2's OTP issues recently I personally noted substantial delays at MAN, BHX, CVT, BOH, LPL with a variety of carriers. I ain't excusing it - I am just pointing out from first hand experience that they have no long-term impact on a pax choice of airfield or airline. Pax forget very quickly, sure they do!

[perky35]

Lots of Air traffic slot restrictions at present,

Saturdays LBA-BCN was given a slot of 15:45 (at 13:45) but thankfully this was brought forward to 14:35...


Apart from that, they are lacking aircraft...

The MD-82 that is supposed to be operating from BLK is still not in place, the Titan aircraft they would normally get in has supposedly had cracks found in the cargo door, and as someone posted G-CELY has cracks in the fuselage...

not an easy time at the min!


- as for 737s here to stay, just remember how long Ryanair operated old bangers before ordering all those new B737-800s, we may have 787s one day but it happens when it happens...

[Mr.Brown]

we may have 787s one day but it happens when it happens.
Yeh in 2030 maybe!

[robo283]

As has been said before, do we want a sensible growth policy with an appropriate fleet mix and managed risk, or an 'Instant Airline' with a 'here today, gone tomorrow' mentality?

There are inevitably going to be growing pains and these must be managed; however no one can just magic up a shiny new fleet overnight (30+ a/c to be replaced) and in any event there would still be delays due to ATC, terminal problems etc.

[silverhawk]

Managed risk requires management and managers. Since the move from Bournemouth to Leeds we have an apparent lack of both. Only the lack of airframes and pilots is more glaring.

[682ft AMSL]

Full year Dart Group results issued today. Full text available

http://mwprices.ft.com/custom/ft2-com/html-story.asp?siteid=ft&dist=ft&guid=%7B6b7c97d2%2Db990%2D47d9%2D9aee%2Dfb7ee0a54264%7D

Picked out some bits of interest though

Profit before tax, goodwill amortisation and exceptional items amounted to
#16.6m (2006 - #14.5m restated). Profit before tax and after goodwill
amortisation and exceptional items amounted to #18.1m (2006 - #14.8m restated).

The company believes that The Canary Islands, which have formerly mainly been served by charter flights, will become an increasingly popular scheduled service destination, ideally suited to the performance of our 235 seat Boeing 757 aircraft. After successful services last winter to Tenerife and Lanzarote we will be operating up to 27 flights a week to the Islands this financial year.
The Canary Islands Tourist Authorities will actively promote the destinations
throughout our region and bookings to date are encouraging. The company plans to further expand its longer distance services and winter sun routes to enhance our overall offering to our customers.

During the year the company acquired five Boeing 757-200 aircraft. The Boeing 757-200 is a versatile aircraft able to carry up to 235 passengers over 3,000 miles. Its overall performance is particularly suited to Leeds Bradford which is a high airport with some operational constraints. The Boeing 757-200 allows the company to offer a range of destinations from both Leeds Bradford and its other bases that other aircraft cannot match. At the same time it is extremely environmentally friendly in terms of noise, fuel efficiency and emissions. We expect to increase our Boeing 757 fleet over the coming years and also to operate similar, larger types which will allow our customers to explore an expanding range of popular destinations at the lowest possible fares.

In February 2007, Jet2holidays was launched to offer flexible duration
flight, transfers and hotel packages linked, primarily, to our scheduled
services. Whilst this is a highly competitive market, we believe that by
packaging attractive hotels with our low fares we can give our leisure customers great value holidays. The concept is currently being marketed on a limited basis whilst the mechanics of the process are developed. However, we are pleased that customer feedback to date has been good and we look forward to putting full promotional spend behind the product for the next year.

Jet2 aims to expand its business by serving traditional leisure markets at
highly competitive prices and developing a range of longer distance low-cost
services that meet the aspirations of leisure travellers. Obviously routes take
time to develop and costs are incurred in building volumes and taking market
share. We will be continuing investment in new routes over the coming year so profit growth in this area of our business is likely to be flat.

In the competitive scheduled low-cost travel market, which is becoming
progressively later booking and therefore more difficult to predict, whilst our
235 seat Boeing 757s differentiate our product and capabilities from several of
our competitors, new routes take time and money to develop to profitability.
However, the consolidation of the major tour operators, who currently have large capacity to many of the destinations we also serve, should give real opportunities both for our scheduled business and Jet2holidays. Therefore, overall, whilst I believe it is unlikely that the Group's profits will increase this year, growth should resume thereafter.


*************************

Would seem from this that the 767 rumour certainly has foundation, that there are likely to be more longer range winter sun routes coming on line and that the jet2 holidays business will be given a bigger push for summer 08, which may mean more "charter" type routes being invested in
682

[robo283]

Spot on (again) 682. The sentences you have emphasised add up to an interesting year or so ahead. Let the speculation begin......

[freightdoggy dog]

Bring on the charters "Godders" rgds Clyde

[withins]

Quote: The Boeing 757-200 is a versatile aircraft able to carry up to 235 passengers over 3,000 miles. Its overall performance is particularly suited to Leeds Bradford which is a high airport with some operational constraints.

Interesting then that despite some proposed CAT III trials at the end of last year which were cancelled due WX (xwinds), the EXS B752's are still CAT I only operating into the LBA. For how long? surely this needs to be addressed giving the well known WX related "operational constraints" at the airport particuarly in the winter:ugh::ugh::ugh::ugh:

[spanishflea]

Another messy looking day today. Last nights Malaga only just got in, and a couple of things routed through Manchester too it would seem. :(

Granted, the wx doesnt seem to be helping things!

[rudolf]

Some of the delays caused by picking up cancelled Easy/Ryanair pax.

[Van Der Vecken]

Withins, you are factually incorrect. The CAT3 trials were cancelled because it was discovered that another airline had previously run trials with very negative results and freely handed over those results to Jet2 - there was therefore no point in repeating them.

The problem is the displaced threshold and the dip thereafter, where the aircraft hangs in the air with an increasing pitch attitude and idle thrust risking a long, heavy landing and possible tail strike. The decision to abandon CAT3 at LBA was based on safety reasons alone. Every other operator but one has banned autolands at LBA for the same reasons, and that one has a much lower exposure because of much less frequent operations. Discussions, in conjunction with another airline (operating a different type, but who have also banned autolands) are ongoing with the airport authority. The airline will commence CAT2/3 operations when, and only when, it is deemed safe to do so.

[Going loco]

Which other operator would have gone to the trouble of undertaking 757 trials? Other than EXS only Thomson have regular 757 ops into LBA and they allow CAT3 so long as there is no tailwind component.
Ryanair are also regular users of CAT3 on the 800 srs and bmi have just got certification down to 3b for the 319. I also thought Jet2 themselves certified the 737 for autoland down to 3a minima? That's 3 regular operators is it not.
I hope for the sake of maintaining the winter schedule though that they give the new airport owners a kicking about sorting those disp. thresholds out at both ends.

[commit aviation]

Correct on Cat III for BMI A319 (although not A320 I believe) & RYR / Jet2 737's. However there is less risk of tail strike with these types.
Suspect disp thresholds aren't top priority though - shops are the in thing and will make the airport money. The fact any extra pax they hope to attract might not get through the terminal or catch a plane due to lack of infrastructure development is unlikely yet to have reached the top of the bean counter's agenda but live in hope! :ugh:

[withins]

VDV-Thanks for the clarification, for the first time a lot of people, myself included, will now know not only the reason why the EXS B752's are not yet CAT III at the LBA but also the reality of the airport's location, geography, dispaced thresholds, short LDA (shall I go on?) and the problems these bring to the operators.

The challenge is then for the new owners to invest in the operational infrastructure:- runway resurfacing, moving of thresholds, CAT II on 14, increase the LDA.
Big demands? defineately, unrealistic? probably, but if something isn't done sooner rather than later the drip, drip effect of diversions, cancellations, and associated passenger incovenience will erode a lot of the good work that the airports's growth and Jet 2's part in the raising of the airports's profile has achieved, particuarly on a regional level.

This investment is vital for the long term development of the airport, what use is a gleaming new terminal if the "business end" of the place is still third rate.

[682ft AMSL]

Jet2 are Bridgepoint's biggest customer at LBA, and LBA is Jet2's largest operating base, its HQ and arguably the base where it has the most favourable combination of catchment size & competition. One would have thought it not at all unrealistic to expect the two parties to come to some sort of arrangement e.g in return for a committment from Jet2 for growth and route development, Bridgepoint would commit to favourable commercial terms and directing some of their £70m 'pot' to improving the airport's low-viz defences.
Rising interest rates, increases in APD, the green lobby, lengthy airport security queues etc are all reasons for people simply not to bother and spend their money on something else. In light of this I would have thought any "beancounter" would be commecially astute enough to recongise that investment in the reliability and smooth operation of the services offered by airports and airlines is money well spent in the long term.

[Van Der Vecken]

Please excuse my inaccuracy - I should have said every other 757 operator. And the trial was not done by Thomsonfly.

[Mooncrest]

I hope if PM is planning on buying some 767s they are younger and/or more reliable machines than the current crop of cr*p. Old aircraft need more downtime and TLC and with the amount of flying the company is doing this summer, it ain't happening. Regardless of what issues other locos may face, the resultant technical delays just make Jet2 look very bad. It's maybe just as well the company doesn't have much competition at its home base. I wish there was some competition out there. One gets a little depressed turning up for work every morning to see lots of Jet2 and not a lot else. Hope springs eternal though. ;)

[wawkrk]

Nobody has yet been able to say why Thomson 757's used to land in CatIII conditions,RVR 75m and 3 kt tailwind. This happened many times. Also Airtours A321's. So what has changed?

[Mr.Brown]

Mooncrest
Old aircraft need more downtime and TLC and with the amount of flying the company is doing this summer, it ain't happening. Regardless of what issues other locos may face, the resultant technical delays just make Jet2 look very bad.
The number of tech delays are definetly going through the roof this summer compared to last. I know there's more aircraft operating but the delay to the passengers seems longer this year as a result of the pressure on the aircraft due to the flying programme and amount of aircraft.
Agreed, old aircraft, do, need more maintenance ("TLC") and as a result more downtime, but they can be cost effective but when you operate them the way jet2 do (at the moment) with not enough downtime and manpower, something has to give. At the moment its the passengers who are suffering (the people who pay our wages).
Rome wasn't built in a day, so maybe its time to consolidate and get back to the people who are actually paying for the seats before moving to next level.
I'd love the 767 but lets get good at the current level of expansion before moving on. Alot has happened in the last year!

[in-my-opinion]

Mr Brown's comments on Jet 2 aircraft being worked hard (and consequently in need of more TLC and therefore Tech delays) surprised me a bit, as often when passing thru LBA I am struck by what I see as an apparent relatively low utilisation of aircraft compared to charter operators who will normally work an aircraft on three rotations a day with very little slack for unplanned maintenance and likewise very few gaps in the schedule to catch up on delays. I do realise some of the 737 are QC aircraft and operate night mail flights but would be interested if someone in the know from Jet 2 could map out a typical days operations for an aircraft. :)

[Mr.Brown]

charter operators who will normally work an aircraft on three rotations a day with very little slack for unplanned maintenance and likewise very few gaps in the schedule to catch up on delays
Three rotations a day I would say is the norm for jet2 737's , two for the 757's, out of Man anyway.

[ric180880]

I think a lot of days that NCL the 2 757s only do one flight a day.

[GEAR_DOWN]

RUDOLF - there were no cancelled easyjet flights ! dont know why you blame that on the delays

[Ivan aromer]

Rumour mill working overtime at the moment; Jet2 have purchased 2 ex GF 767s,

[toledoashley]

I understand the the ex GF aircraft were not in very good order - but then again that didnt stop SilverJet with the exFJE 767, which has not been doing too badly. Good on Jet2, dont want to see the norm though MAN - FLL or DXB would be good as well as being allocated on some of the canary/southern spain runs when needed.

[ryan2000]

Jet 2 have doubled their winter frequency on ORK-NCL from 2 in 2006/7 to 4 in 2007/8. Maybe Sunderlands' accession to the premiership has influenced this welcome decision.

[crewboi83]

Jet2s 737s from NCL do 2, 3 rotations a day maximum!!

The 757s have lots of down time (just as well at mo) as 1 operates MJV everyday and the KRK mon and fri
757 number 2 operates the PMI daily with the odd AGP thrown in.
Wed only 1 757 flies but think the PMI which was on 737 on a wed may have been put on to 757 for peak season, so they have a very relaxed flying programme.
The 767 rumour has been going round for ages but not as strongly as now
had heard it was Ex XL.com 767s cummin tho, along with 2 more 757s for next summer.
I had heard that the powers above were sick of delays and are now seriously looking into 733 replacements with either airbus A319/320 or 737-700

[Smudger]

May I, as a Jet 2 757 Captain, respectfully suggest that all of you who post on this thread who don't know what the **** you are on about desist from posting until you know the facts. Our aircraft, albeit "old", are well maintained and are doing a fine job. We suffer from the same problems regarding tech delays and other setbacks as any other airline but we are all committed to getting the job done to the best of our ability. There is a lot of positivity and support coming through on this thread, which is great to see, but those of you who just want to knock us are just wasting your time. Jet 2 are here to stay, so deal with it.

[take-off]

Glad to hear it smudger, hope theres more to come at the blackpool end too, some Airbus A319/320 would look good in Jet2 colours, although i'm sure their probably sticky with boeing.

[Bam Thwok]

We suffer from the same problems regarding tech delays and other setbacks as any other airline but we are all committed to getting the job done to the best of our ability.
True...if only the management had that same "commitment" to it's staff !
Very serious mistakes have been made in the planning and execution of the summer program and it's wholely down to all us "troopers" being flexible that's keeping the operation moving.
I can't give my views on how things are going on the "golden" fleet, however, on the 73, I can only say it's chaotic....especially on the weekends....any tech delay or Capt calling in sick and the operations "trousers" are round the companys "ankles" !
Jet 2 are here to stay, so deal with it.
If the lessons aren't taken on board and management don't grow up....I, sadly, have serious doubts !

[robo283]

Nice one, Smudger :D

[10 DME ARC]

Went NCL(101)-LGW-(104)NCL yeaterday on CELX by the return flight the brakes were making an awful sound when applied, still they stopped us landing on 07 with a tail wind due to a CB east of the field!

[Mooncrest]

Nobody would deny Jet2 are here to stay. I am sure they'll be around for a while yet. And it's probably fair to say that hardly anyone on here knows what they're talking about. There's a lot of hearsay, gossip, bull**** and rumour. Hence it's a rumour network. Take it easy for heaven's sake.

[crewboi83]

Being cabin crew on the the B737-200,300,400,800 the breaks do sometimes make a noise on landing...especially if applied on a heavy landing or if your coming down on a wet runway, having worked on LX a few times down here in LBA I can say that its a fine aircraft.... is prob one of the most reliable in the fleet!

[freightdoggy dog]

Tis indeed a fine airframe...which is why we stuck a big cargo door init..remember boxes dont b!tch...and the RM ops achieved 100% OTP last week :eek:!!

[bartelby]

Someone tell Smudger that most of the knockers on pprune either still work for the company :ooh:
or have been shafted by them in the past:mad:
Hey freightdog well said the freight has always been the backbone of jet2 :=

[Mr.Brown]

Smudger most of the knockers on pprune either still work for the company or have been shafted by them in the past

bartelby, is that ok for you. Why you couldn't tell her yourself is beyond me.

[Mr.Brown]

and the RM ops achieved 100% OTP last week !!
Nothing to do with the aircraft on "Hot Standby" for RM then.
Imagine every flight had another aircraft on standby even the pax side would almost hit 100% OPT

[LDS]

Anybody know what happened on LS266 from AGP to LBA on 19th July. It was due to land at 22:55 but had a 4 hour delay to 03:00. After 2 attempts to land at Leeds it was then diverted to Manchester due to fog. But another Jet2 flight from Alicante managed to land at 03:15.

Just wondered if anyone knows what caused the delay? Thanks.

[Mr.Brown]

1st A/C was probably a 757 and the 2nd was probably a 737. 757's aren't CAT III @ LBA as far as I'm aware.
Just a guess mind you!

[Nearly Man]

So, anyone know when these 767's are turning up? I want to have a go on one :}

[robo283]

You and me both, Nearly Man. I've been told they are going to be based at STN. This might be miles off the mark though.

As an aside, if GF were advertising them in the paper, they must be pretty keen to get rid of them, which is not a good sign.

[toledoashley]

Whats the bet on leisure America routes?? Las Vegas, Orlando and maybe some others.

[jet2impress]

STN..... how very unusual!! I can't see that happening unless it is for a series of charters for a couple of months! 767-200 would be interesting in a QC config!! LOL!!!:}

[freightdoggy dog]

MB, think you will find that Jet2 pax ops does have a standby a/c namely LP in STN. Been bailing out AOG a/c all summer, got a call at 4am this morning from Ops to get LP out pronto to MAN.

As for the B767s ....had an interesting conversation with a connie mate of mine this weekend who said they were XL.com airframes and that a certain engineering co were starting to run courses for their ginger beers! As for STN being the base...nice rumour..but shurely the norths favourite airline would base these at MAN? Might bang em in on a w pattern though!

[crewboi83]

Upto now I've heard 2x 762s from XL OR 2x 763 from GF
For the bases, all I have heard is 1 for NCL and 1 for LBA
The LBA 767 could consolidate flights to places such as PMI, ALC and AGP where there are a few roations a day, therefore freeing up a 757 or 737 to operate somewhere else. Then the 767 could also so the odd SFB or something like that.
Apparently Jet2 are very keen on starting JFK/EWR from NCL aiming at weekenders at first, then hopfully to business market next.
With Jet2 also looking into some kind of premium product and a frequent flyer programme this could all tie in, especially with a 767.
But as always its an airline... so untill you see the 767 in that lovely silver paint.... I wouldnt hold my breathe

[Belboy]

Jet 2 are getting a lot of coverage in the NI media over an advertising campaign in which they slag of various towns in the Province suggesting that people should use their services to escape from the poor weather and other conditions in places such as Glengormley, Drains Bay and Muff (ROI).
This is only a bit of fun and to see that a numbers of politicians are whinging that this is an outrage and want the ad withdrawn says to me that they have too little to do. They should have included Larne in the campaign then people would agree.

[jet2impress]

I am sure we would see 767's in LBA before anywhere else. They always seem to test the water with LBA before rolling out to other bases.

[crewboi83]

LBA is usually the first to get everything!! so maybe another base should have a go lol
I think LBA and NCL would be best for long haul as no other airlines offer services.
Whats LBA like for getting 767 in? whats runway length and stuff? I mean tha 757 cant even go Cat III so how would that place the 767?

[scamptonboy]

Thomsonfly and Monarch have both operated 767 srs 200 and 300 during the last and previous winter months on their fly/cruise holidays to Barbados, Acapulco and New Orleans.

So no major problem operating A 767 out of LBA....till the fog rolls in I guess!

[robo283]

I wasn't saying STN had any credibility, it's just what I was told. Personally I would base them at LBA. I know LBA seems to get everything first but, after all, it is the HQ. Queues for the CSZ will just get even longer...

[Flightrider]

If you're talking about the ex-GF 767s, then LBA will be a problem unless the engines are uprated. The GF 767s have CF6-80C2B4F engines with 46k thrust (I think it's 46 anyway). Most of the Thomsonfly aircraft are at least B6F spec with 62K thrust. It makes a big difference if you're trying to get a full load of pax & fuel off 32.

[ClintonBaptiste]

The AGP had two attempts at leeds and then diverted due to the fog. I was walking up from the long stay car park when I heard it go around, but by the time I got abeam Jet2 towers the fog had cleared! The a/c returned to leeds at around 0450 (empty!). Pax got back on coaches around 0630.

[HiflierEK]

anyone know wat the big announcement is supposed to be this week ??