Jet2 - 3

[jet2impress]

From what I have heard bookings have dropped to virtually nothing. And reading the different travel forums, potential customers were actually criticising the airline for continuing to push Egypt in their current ad campaign. I guess the people have spoken!

[Mr @ Spotty M]

This move has nothing to do with safety of its passengers and anyone who thinks so is living in cloud cuckoo land.:=
This is solely a commercial decision based on the drop in bookings that the Red Sea resorts are currently experiencing.:{

[757 Speedbrakes]

......... Great, there goes my only flight in March!

[PAPAROMA]

People - you can't simply cancel a series of flights from tomorrow as there will always be a certain amount of people already in resort which will need bringing home. Therefore, you set yourself a target for finishing to allow adequate time to contact outbound affected passengers in February with return flights in March while making sure passengers at destination have a means for getting home.:=

[righthandrule]

They way that you have to look at it, and how Jet2 have looked at it is pretty simple. You either:

1) Run the full Sharm (& Tunisia) program, as pointed out the bookings for these resorts has plummeted in the last month or so. The flights would however operate at a loss as falling consumer confidence would mean yields would have to be compensated to gain a load factor. There is then the unknown over how long these protests will last, maybe if they stop next week then it was a rash decision to cancel, but if they last for months then the entire summer program would be operating a huge loss.

2) Cancel the flights now, re-accommodate passengers onto alternative flights/destinations and replace the slots with additional capacity i.e. Palma on a Sunday (which replaced the Tunisia rotation) which will always be full and will operate at a profit.

Personally if it was my choice I would cancel before it is too late. Jet2 have time to fill any gaps made by the cancellation of Egypt/Tunisia now. If it was left much later then they would not have sufficient time to fill the replacement flights.

I would imagine the routes will be back for the winter season once it has become clear how the market is coping.

[easyflyer83]

A rash decision IMO too. Unlike in Tunisia, the Red Sea is a world away from Cairo. The area is calm and there has been no problems. Indeed, in a relatively sparsely populated area where tourism is very heavily relied upon, tourists down there are never likley to encounter any problems.

[TSR2]

Posted by easyflyer83
tourists down there are never likley to encounter any problems

I don't think you can say that with certainty. Was there not a bomb explosion in the centre of Sharm only a couple of years ago.

[rareair]

And what about the hungry shark?

[fanrailuk]

At this rate there'll be nowhere but Majorca to sun-it-up!

PP :}

[Facelookbovvered]

I would suspect that to bin the program now would be very expensive given that Foreign office advice not to travel certain parts of Egypt does not include Sharm and people who booked 6 months ago can not cancel within their insurance terms and get a refund unless the FO advise against travel.

So given that the pax flying out between now and the end of March will have paid in full by now Jet2 have a choice to either operate or refund and many of these will be Jet2holidays.com in other words it's not just a flight only refund but holidays costing £000's that would probably wipe out Jet2 profitability this year.

Jet2 are not in the same league as TUI who can afford to offer customers a refund or switch resort on a goodwill bases without a FO travel advisory, get this wrong and it could bring them down, some Egypt specialist travel companies will fail off the back of this.

Jet2 will not go back to Sharm before S12 at the earliest, Mubarak has said he will step down in elections this September so unrest will be all over the news again this Autumn, that's if he's not over thrown by then.

If the Muslim brotherhood get in they may take a rather different view of people visiting their country and sitting in the Sun getting p****d with their tits out and that's just the blokes!! Egypt could become as popular as those other sun spots Iraq & Iran

Therefore a line has been drawn where the dip between old previous Xmas bookings and new post Xmas booking is at it's lowest this is the cheapest option, there is no current risk to the customer Sharks aside in Sharm, however the question is would you book your main Summer hols in Sharm this year? the answer must be no given that things are as likely to get worse as they are better.

[TSR2]

Jet2 are not in the same league as TUI who can afford to offer customers a refund

I agree that Jet2 Holidays are not in the same league as TUI, but I'm sure that TUI recently posted an £84m loss.

[easyflyer83]

TSR2, bomb in Sharm El Sheikh, bombs in Bali, ETA blasts all over Spain........none of them were really related to the uprising we have seen in the major Cities of Egypt were they?

Lets be sensible here, the risks in the Cities have increased because the locals there have been pumped full of Sh*t about tourists being Israeli spy's. Those on the riviera meanwhile live and breath tourism and they know which side their bread is buttered so there is unlikely to be any problems there. The advice from the Foreign Office is normally very good and they don't advise against travel there so I think we can be safe in the knowledge that foreigners will indeed be safe travelling there.

[Fernanjet]

So the real reason is financial....pure and simple.

[OliWW]

So during the summer Jet2's aircraft utilization is going to be even more improved!! :rolleyes:

[Johnny F@rt Pants]

Jet2.com and Jet2holidays have gone on sale today with more flights to Spain and Portugal. Following on from overwhelming customer demand new flights are available to book now for this summer!

Manchester

Additional flights added to Alicante and Majorca making the flights double daily on Fridays and Sundays. An additional flight to Tenerife on Saturday meaning there are now 3 flights per week to this sunny hot-spot. Plus we now have even more seats available to Ibiza and Malaga and even better flight times to our Turkish destinations from Manchester!

Leeds Bradford

A new Thursday flight from Leeds Bradford to Tenerife meaning Yorkshire holiday makers can now travel to Tenerife with Jet2 4 times a week! Plus an additional Sunday morning service to Murcia!

Glasgow

Our Scottish customers can take advantage of more flights to Majorca with seats on sale today for Wednesday's meaning customers now have a choice of travel 6 times a week from Glasgow!

Newcastle

North East travellers can take advantage of 2 new flights to Alicante with Jet2 now operating additional morning flights on Thursdays and Sundays meaning customers now have the chance to fly to Alicante 6 days a week! Plus there are even more seats available on flights from the North East to Malaga and Faro giving travellers even more choice to choose the summer holiday of their dreams!

If you would like to take advantage of these great flights to Spain and Portugal don't delay and book today

[Mr @ Spotty M]

Now is that not what l posted last night.:ugh:

[Ernest Lanc's]

however the question is would you book your main Summer hols in Sharm this year? the answer must be no given that things are as likely to get worse as they are better.
Probably if I wanted ti go to Sharm! . There IMO will soon be an end to the unrest in Egypt.

The result could well be that the bold bargain hunters will get their moneys worth - While those taking a short term view of the medium/long term will lose out.

I could be wrong but with Mubarak surely certain to go September at the latest - The unrest will die on it's feet.bit by bit - day by day.

[Fernanjet]

It is indeed....just re-iterating your well made point!!

[SCANDIC]

Does this mean that the 2 Allegiant 757's won't be coming for the summer?

[Ian Brooks]

Manchester has had most of the routes replaced by flights to Spain and Portugal

Ian B

[INKJET]

TUI group are reporting that provided the Egypt problems do not last beyond April their losses relating to the recent unrest in Egypt should not exceed £20m!

I can not see how Mubarak can cling on until Sept with or with out US support, Turkey or Greece for me, shame really cos i like Egypt, but i was in Luxor 3 weeks before they shot the German tourists and when i went back 2 years later the locals were telling me that visitor numbers were still well down even with loads of Army guys present to reassure people, which probably had the opposite effect!!!

[DjerbaDevil]

The Allegiant B757s are on a short lease and essential for the summer 2011 programme, even without SSH. The B757 fleet should be around for quite a while and further purchases are probably in the pipeline, as the Allegiant deal is probably a stop gap measure and suspect it to be a breathing space, to negotiate a better deal on other B757s in the market. Nothing better, when buying, if you are not in a hurry....

[MILEHIGHBOY]

returned on sat 5feb SSHNCL with LS, 28 pax on a 752!

[Wellington Bomber]

I wonder if all the new boys and girls joining Jet2 and paying for type ratings on 70% contracts are getting a little nervous yet.

[apaul]

I don't think there were any Jet2 flights between Newcastle and Sharm since the first week of January so the return leg on 5 February was probably going to be pretty empty even without the upheavals in Egypt.

[easyflyer83]

Absolutely, Milehighboy.... I believe it is just pure coincidence that your flight was so empty. By returning on the 5th, many would have already been in SSH when the trouble in the Cities began. In fact you yourself must realise that there is little need to cancel an holiday there.

[cortilla]

With mubarak refusing to stand down, I would not be surprised if these protests turn very ugly quite soon. Also i can see it dragging on and on.

Bookings for Egypt must be dropping to virtually nothing. I'd be surprised if you could fill a minibus let alone a 757 soon.

Perhaps the decision to drop Egypt as quickly as they did will prove to be much more fortuitous than people first gave Jet2 credit for.

[Facelookbovvered]

Look i have no doubt that Sharm is at the present time "safe" but i come back to the basics, most wouldn't take the risk, i know they'll be some on here who are up for a bit of adventure tourism but the vast majority of punters have voted with their feet and bookings have collapsed and any airline needs to have a high load factor to make any profit, not just a handful it'll be fun die hard's.

Jet2 have had a pasting in the local press for cancelling flights to Sharm, the local rags quoted one couple who alleged that they were told their outbound travel was valid but the return leg was cancelled, the inference been that they would get a refund for the out bound leg only.

This has already cost a fortune and not all will be covered by the companies risks insurance because there is no travel advisory against Sharm and you can't insure against low bookings

Murbarak is now in Sharm so it must be safe!!!

I bet he will be in Saudi by first prayers and whilst the street of Cairo might get back to normal in a few weeks it will be a long time before English tourists will be walking them and until the tourist return Jet2 will stay away

Every cloud has a silver lining and crew planning will be pleased that they now have a chance to crew their summer schedule which was looking very unlikely on the 757 fleet, what a year Volcano's, loads of snow and riots will hit the bottom line:confused:

[paully]

``Jet2 have had a pasting in the local press for cancelling flights to Sharm``

I`m just amazed so many charvers on their `all the beer you can drink in the sun` jollies even knew which carrier they were travelling with. You live and learn :confused:

[EuroChallenger]

Away from Egypt, does anyone know why today's EMA - TFS - EMA is a couple of hours late, as it was last Friday, and the Friday before?

[Fernanjet]

With mubarak refusing to stand down, I would not be surprised if these protests turn very ugly quite soon. Also i can see it dragging on and on.

Bookings for Egypt must be dropping to virtually nothing. I'd be surprised if you could fill a minibus let alone a 757 soon.

Perhaps the decision to drop Egypt as quickly as they did will prove to be much more fortuitous than people first gave Jet2 credit for.


But now where does Jet2 stand....the president has stood down....calm will be seen on the streets soon and the tourists will flock back because the spanish destiantions like the canaries are now quickly increasing in price.....

looking a hastier decision by the minute now!!

[INKJET]

There is much more to come out of Egypt before it's back to business the army are now in charge and a move to democracy is easy in words but when you have had 30 years of dictatorship it's more difficult in practice just ask the staff at Jet2!!

[deltahotel9]

I really don't understand why people are having a go at Jet2 for cancelling the Sharm flights, this is a very sound commercial decision it's not about who will govern Egypt or whether people will go to there on holiday later in the year, it's about the political climate now. To schedule the whole season of flights would be a risk and successful business is all about risk assessment. They looked at the risks i.e. falling bookings, possible need to cancel and compensate later and/or repatriation and decided it wasn't worth it. They can now reallocate the aircraft to profitable routes for the whole summer season. Good decision, full stop.

[SWBKCB]

First of the ex Thomson 757's registered - G-LSAL cn 26967 ex G-BYAI

[crewmeal]

I agree with deltahotel 19. Now Murburak has gone the world will be watching to see what happens next. No company will make a move and reinvest until they see who will be in charge. Things might get better over a period of time provided the Country doesn't turn into another Iran or wage war with Israel. if there is stability by the summer Tour Companies and airlines will probably open up the market again.

[Mr @ Spotty M]

The reason people are having a go is because Jet2 said it was for Safety reasons and not for Commercial reasons.:ugh:
Now if they had said because of the uncertainty in the country we have made a commercial decision to pull out of Egypt, we would maybe have said good for you.:ok:

[Artie Fufkin]

... and do you think it would have been a good commercial decision to tell your customers that you are pulling out for commercial reasons?

Err, no.

[Facelookbovvered]

I agree its far better to say its for safety reasons than to tell the truth, passenger are so thick they much prefer that you lie about why you have just cancelled their holidays rather than tell the truth, this way you build up a long term relationship with them.

If it good enough for the company to be less than honest with its employee's then its good enough for our customers, we wouldn't want to be accused of double standards, would we?:confused::confused::confused:

[IB4138]

Doesn't the Barcelona Court ruling and the Andalucia Governments ruling on not being able to charge for boarding passes also apply to Jet2, as well as Ryanair?

[take-off]

ANyone Know the reason why ALC to BLK has gone to MAN today on it's return?

[Artie Fufkin]

Completely agree facelookbovvered; telling customers, "we're cancelling your holiday because we can't make enough money out of you", is a great way to establish long term relationships with them. :ok:

[jubilee]

Take Off..

Could it be that the service only started this week,and had little or no passengers,so for op. reasons it returned to man.
Jubilee

[DjerbaDevil]

IB4238:

Doesn't the Barcelona Court ruling and the Andalucia Governments ruling on not being able to charge for boarding passes also apply to Jet2, as well as Ryanair?

Good one! But JET2 offer a check-in on line or a check-in at the airport service at different prices. The issue of the boarding pass is FREE or isn't mentioned and therefore may be assumed to be free, as there is no charge advertised.

FR on the other hand charge you for printing your own boarding pass and hammer you for printing it for you at the airport. According to the Spanish judge in Barcelona airtickets and boarding passes should be issued free of charge by any airline for their passengers or any other documentation needed to embark.

There is no mention in the judgement that check-in services have to be provided free of charge by any airline to their passengers BUT it would be a good idea to get a good look at the Laws being referred to by the Barcelona judge, International, Spanish and European to see what services a passenger is entitled to have free of charge once having paid a fare for a flight to an airline.
DD

[LPFR]

Jet2, altough with a choice of airport check-in at a higher fee, offers online check-in at a price as well, and if you don't print the boarding card you have to pay 17,50£/24€ at the airport. The passenger is only advised of this charge at the booking confirmation where there's a box saying "Not printing out your boarding card MAY result in you having to pay an additional fee at the airport". The charge doesn't apply to infants, children or passengers that need assistence though. I'm not sure if the fact that they offer the check in type choice makes any difference on the way they charge the boarding card print fee at the airport like Ryanair...

[doo]

When do the Glasgow routes start and what airplane will operate them?

[CabinCrewe]

28th March, 737 and 757 ex GLA

[doo]

Thanks CC, will it be operating year round or summer only?

[CabinCrewe]

Year round. Only some of the winter routes available so far. Hopefully some replacements for the dropped MIR and SSH.

[doo]

Thanks,
will tne 73 be a ng?

[binsleepen]

Doo,

No the NGs are going to Man to start with.

Regards

[jorvik]

any one know whats happened to jet2 plus? there is no mention of it anywhere on the website

[TSR2]

Think it has been discontinued in favour of MyJet2 and the 'bundle' options.

[LPFR]

How's G-GDFC working out for Jet2 so far? I see it's been operating MAN-FCO since it started service. Any more 738 on the way, besides the one announced from TUI?

[righthandrule]

It's doing very well, obviously carrying 40 more passengers for roughly the same cost of a 733 is proving popular and I do believe a decision has been made about some more. The -800's will also be doing Tel Aviv, Murcia, Funcal, Faro and Palma I do believe once they are in full swing come April/May.

Mr Meeson and his side-kick have been "touring the world" for bargains and word has it that 6 more -800's will be coming next year, to replace the leases on G-CGET, GDFA & GDFB and for growth. We will see!

[freightdoggy dog]

Jorvik...Jet2Plus got binned just like the Ancillary Revenue Manager who dreamt it up..bout time they binned the GPU policy too, before they put a ramp rat through the Nos 1...rumour is, they tried to re-introduce it again at LBIA...H.S.E / Airport weren't impressed by lack of documentation...when will the jibbering jock ever learn.

[TSR2]

Out of interest, what is the GPU policy?

[Facelookbovvered]

Was on the NG the other day a nice bit of kit and it looks a lot bigger than the 733 the winglets give a sense of size. Looking forward to more of them soon hopefully, mind you i would be worried if i was on the 757 fleet, the NG does 90% of the same job for 66% of the cost and with fuel on the rise again finding some where to fly them profitably that the NG can't do for less is going to be a challenge.

Me thinks they will become parked billboards next winter:rolleyes:

[wanna_be_there]

If the -800's end up on the MAN-TLV run, will there be a frequency increase?

I was under the impression the flights were doing very well, and 3xB738 is obvuiosly a downgrade versus 3xB752.

[Espada III]

Have travelled MAN-TLV recently and despite being half term the flights had a about 180 passengers compared to approx 235 capacity.

Maybe 737-800 will be more efficient than the ancient and uncomfortable 757-200WLs.

[bluepilot]

quote "Maybe 737-800 will be more efficient than the ancient and uncomfortable 757-200WLs."

the 737-800 has the same cabin arrangement as the 757 and the same seats.

[wanna_be_there]

Have travelled MAN-TLV recently and despite being half term the flights had a about 180 passengers compared to approx 235 capacity


TLV isnt really a 'holiday' city, so im not surprised the flights wernt full. Eilat is usually where Isreali's go to holiday, hence why Thomsons are to sell flights there.

[easyflyer83]

The flights to TLV do apparently do well but it doesn't mean they are going out jam packed all the time. Consequently the 738 is probably a better fit, a fit that wasn't possible previously when the 752 was needed to carry out the mission in terms of range.

[DjerbaDevil]

the 737-800 has the same cabin arrangement as the 757 and the same seats.

True the "cabin arrangement" is the same on the B752 as on the B738, but the number of seats are 186 on the B738 and 229 on the B752. Overall a difference of 43 passengers of carrying capacity, which means that a B752 can transport more than 23% more passengers than a B738.

[jet2impress]

180 Pax at half term.... It's not all about what's up top. The forward hold on the TLV route is stuffed full of cargo!! ££££ :D

[Johnny F@rt Pants]

True the "cabin arrangement" is the same on the B752 as on the B738, but the number of seats are 186 on the B738 and 229 on the B752. Overall a difference of 43 passengers of carrying capacity, which means that a B752 can transport more than 23% more passengers than a B738.


Minor correction, the 738 carries 189 pax, and some of the 752's carry 232 pax, most carry 229.

[TSR2]

the 738 carries 189 pax

I take it there are no extra legroom seats on the 738 other than the exit row seats then.

[jet2impress]

Extra legroom seats are row 1 ABC, and all of rows 2, 16 and 17. 21 extra legroom seats available in total. The 737-300 only has 8 extra legroom seats available.

[DjerbaDevil]

Minor correction, the 738 carries 189 pax, and some of the 752's carry 232 pax, most carry 229.
Yes the B738 has a maximum carrying capacity of 189 passengers but the B738 delivered to JET2 recently was confrgured with 186Y seats. The second B738 due for delivery to JET2 is also configured with 186Y seats. Again the B752 was designed to carry a maximum of 234 passengers but JET2 have or will have shortly 8 x B752s configured with 229Y seats, 3 configured with 232Y seats and one configured with 216Y seats (G-LSAK). These are listings from Planespotters.net and may not be updated.

In an earlier post comparing the B752 and the B738NG, it was said that:
the NG does 90% of the same job for 66% of the cost
Comparing the specifications of both aircraft, the percentages above would appear to be incorrect. In fact a comparison of the specifications of the B738 and B752 would seem to justify an argument to the contrary and show that the B752 to be equal if not superior to the B738 in every respect.
If anyone has any facts or figures that would help to clarify the above, perhaps they would kindly post them.

[Facelookbovvered]

I can't think of a single route that the 757 does that the 738 cannot do other than the odd Xmas USA special or ad hoc MOD charter the 757 needs to be full to make any sense or money against the 738 and this is at a time when apart from half term weekends even the 733 are far from full. It looks like the second one will be Manchester bound as well for crewing reasons:ugh:

[MUFC_fan]

I can't think of a single route that the 757 does that the 738 cannot do other than the odd Xmas USA special or ad hoc MOD charter the 757 needs to be full to make any sense or money against the 738 and this is at a time when apart from half term weekends even the 733 are far from full. It looks like the second one will be Manchester bound as well for crewing reasons


EWR - MAN, BFS, BRS, NCL, BHX, GLA, EDI, DUB
JFK - MAN, DUB
PHL - DUB

That's just UK/ROI from the top of my head for 3 of the US carriers.

There will be dozens more across the globe.

Also - if you can get a fully loaded 737 to Berlin from NYC - do get in touch with Boeing. They'll want to hear from you...

If you're on about European/medium haul routes, you may be right. I don't know how a 737 would do from Egypt/Cape Verde Islands to the UK in the height of summer though...

But do remember how LCCs work, certainly in LS's case. The fares start low and move upwards. Therefore the extra 46 seats may be (most likely) will be sold at far above average/break even fares therefore contributing to offsetting the extra costs involved with a 757 as opposed to a 737.

Just my opinion anyway.

[pwalhx]

I rather think the comment was about routes operated by Jet2 not routes that are operated in general by the 757

[Check Mags On]

DD
The 800 when delivered was fitted with 186 seats, since then it has had the new acro seats fitted.
All 189 of them, that is from the company paperwork and not a spotters forum.

The 738 will do Egypt back to the UK (any airport from my experience of operating it to Scotland.) even in the height of summer, reasonably comfortably, the limiting factor is almost always the take of performance. But in the many times I have done it, I have never seen a tech stop or a reduction in payload. And that is with a full airplane and an outside temperature of +40 degrees centigrade.

[jet2impress]

I can also confirm the 738 is fitted with 189 seats. A small galley was removed from the front and the seats which are number 1ABC are fitted where this galley was removed from.

[jet2impress]

Another correction for you.... G-LSAK is also fitted with 229 seats and not 216. I also believe the max config of the 757-200 is 238. Jet2 had the a/c now fitted with 232 configured with 238 seats up until about 2 year ago.

[INKJET]

I suspect that when Jet2 got into buying the 757 they had longer routes in mind APD in the UK has distorted the mid/long haul travel Market Sky new reported today that UK passengers are taxed three times more heavily than the nearest Europe country ( Germany ) in respect of APD it quoted a family of 4 to Florida paying £240 in APD compared with just £11 if flying from Dublin.

Unfortunately the rules on connecting flights preclude exemption from APD by joining a flight in Dublin from the UK if booked as a through ticket.

I was very surprised that Jet2 have not picked up some of the MOD sponsored flights from Tunisia to Egypt. Reports suggest that TCX from EMA, Titan from LGW and air Aitialia have got £4m for round the clock flight to clear exiled Libyan workers, hope that comes out of the overseas aid budget

MUFC

I agree with you on the sale of the extra seats, but you have to fill them!

[jet2impress]

And most of the time the extra seats do get filled.

[victoria73]

Does jet2 have any spare B757 and fill the gap at BFS for flights to Toronto and possibly to Orlando. There is a huge market there that is lying untouched now for a few years people are having to travel to Dub and mainland airports if the B757 and the B737-800 could do these flights why could an airline like jet2 that have these aircraft not do these routes.

[MUFC_fan]

Does jet2 have any spare B757 and fill the gap at BFS for flights to Toronto and possibly to Orlando. There is a huge market there that is lying untouched now for a few years people are having to travel to Dub and mainland airports if the B757 and the B737-800 could do these flights why could an airline like jet2 that have these aircraft not do these routes.


If there was a 'huge' market then TCX, TOM and MON would be in there pretty quickly.

I don't think it's as big as you think...

I'd like to think in 3-5 years time LS would be able to move into the long haul holiday market with such destinations as SFB and YYZ.

[SCANDIC]

Any 767's on the horizon.

[freightdoggy dog]

INKJET: 10,000 extra pax are travelling from Harwich to the Hook to avoid APD. Jet2 have " no appetite" to fly to North Africa, I tried to charter a 757 from them in the early days of the Eygptian troubles. We are now using our friends from the former Soviet bloc with great success :cool:. 4 Mill...that will just about pay for a new refurb of Titans' offices:ok:

[flying officer kite]

a 757 from Belfast to Orlando would be cutting it fine, its been done direct before, but i recall the Air Scandic guys (Finnish??) putting the aircraft right on the upper weight limits in the flight envelope

[victoria73]

I see on the BFS thread jet2 are going to do a weekly ALC this route already has EI EZY operating why does jet2 waana do it could they not of thought of other ideas of were to fly to.

[Ian Brooks]

Probably for Jet2 Holidays rather that just a loco flight


Ian B

[clareview]

B757's have been used many times over the years from BFS to MCO/SFB - Inter European I think was the first. It was taken over by Airtours and later upgraded to 767. The problem with a BFS - Florida route is that Dub has 3 a week with lass APD and ints into MCO which is a lot handier than SFB, particularly as US Immigration is cleared at DUB

[victoria73]

I think what one of the problems is companies are holding back in saying they will fly the sfd route like thomascook have done in past couple of years then putting couple of flights on over july.If a carrier announced a florida route around sept they would get a lot of people book on it apd or no apd the fact is if a carrier such as jet2 put a B757 on a sanford or into the orlando international airport they would get a lot of pax use it so long as it was announced and advertised at right time of year.

[MUFC_fan]

LBA-SFB/MCO would come before BFS. I'd also guess MAN would be in there too, whatever the competition in place...

[david.crosby]

Hi,

What Aircraft does jet2 use on Leeds to paris route. Im going on 23-27th June for the Paris airshow.

Thanks

[737 Speedbrakes]

What Aircraft does jet2 use on Leeds to paris route. Im going on 23-27th June for the Paris airshow.

Boeing 737-300

[david.crosby]

Thanks 737 Speedbrakes.

Never been on Jet2. This will be the first time. Hope they are good

[MUFC_fan]

If you're from Middlesbrough - you'll love them.

They're very Northern! :}

[david.crosby]

I am Northern. Im from Middlesbrough but im in wycombe for uni. thanks MUFC_fan I hope I like them, Ive never flown with them but I allways stick up for them when im arguing with my mate whos better Ryanair or Jet2

[freightdoggy dog]

Thats EASY David EASYJET lol !!

[david.crosby]

I may sound silly here freightdoggy dog but what do you mean. Thats EASY David EASYJET lol !!

I hope your not saying Easyjet are the best lol

[Little Blue]

Not the best, but a damned sight better than FR and Jet2 ! :ok:

[david.crosby]

Little Blue. Easyjet I hate them cutting the NCL-STN route. I used that route a lot and for them to cut it. Im not happy. and why I like Jet2. They have great TV ads, Great Baggage Allowance and there Not orange.

[Killigrew]

Well, we're all in it to make money, and if NCL-STN wasn't making the dough, then it had to go !
It's the way of the world.
Enjoy JET2. Got some good friends there.

And remember, the future IS Orange....;)

[easyflyer83]

How can you say you prefer it's an airline because of it's TV ads? If it was a patriotic old scoop BA style I could forgive you but jet 2's was an awful shouty ad that was tacky.

Easyjet's wasn't much better but this was admitted within the company despite having fantastic effect on seat sales.

[david.crosby]

It must have been making money for it to run. I allways used easyjet going to london. I would say it as on average 70-85 per cent full.

easyflyer83 I will make my mind up when I fly with Jet2 in June. Ive flew Easyjet, Ryanair and a few others. But ive allways had a soft spot for Jet2 for some reason. Maybe because they were the North's airline.

Lotso I think your right. Ryanair and Easyjet are ok but there service is not the greatest or best.

[Skipness One Echo]

It must have been making money for it to run. I allways used easyjet going to london. I would say it as on average 70-85 per cent full.

Nope. Lots of routes run with good loads and still lose money if the yield is poor. Clearly EZY feel they can make more money with the asset elsewhere. Seems the NCL base is dying on it's a*** alas.

Lotso I think your right. Ryanair and Easyjet are ok but there service is not the greatest or best.
Locos and "great" service is a tricky combo. You get some great cabin service occasionally but it's seldom the norm alas. You get what you pay for, that's not a criticisim as often I do end up giving them my business.

[david.crosby]

To be it sounds like North East airports are getting disregarded. at least we still have Jet2.

[rareair]

Locos and "great" service is a tricky combo

I completely agree in Europe. Conversely in the states some of the best service I've had was with G4 and F9.

[Seljuk22]

Jet2 vs Allegiant
Skyliner - aviation news & more (http://www.skyliner-aviation.de/viewphoto.main?LC=nav2&picid=7049)

[easyflyer83]

Skipness, i disagree. You can slate EZY for several things, in my opinion, but cabin crew are consistently highly rated as opposed to several full service carriers which are spot on in so many way except many of the cabin crew.

That said, you get good and bad so I wouldn't like to clump a group of employee's together.

[DjerbaDevil]

Seljuk22:

Great picture! Solves the curious description of the livery description for G-LSAL in 'Jethros', "Basic Allegiant-Jet2 titles".

According to 'LIBHOMERADAR' G-LSAL flew her first JET2 flight from LBA to Bucharest yesterday and departed LBA at 1601hrs. There is no record to be found of the return flight, so it may still be there.....

If the comments from Jethros are correct then the leasing of G-LSAL officially started yesterday 14 March 2011 and, taking the curious livery into account, it would be reasonable to assume that a very short lease has been agreed......

[LBIA]

The Jet2 leased B757, G-LSAL is currently sat on stand 22 in the Fog at LBA.

She was ferried from Lasham to Leeds arriving at 16:48 yesterday afternoon as LS31E.

[DjerbaDevil]

Well they got the flight number right and probably the departure time. Here's the link if anyone is interested........

libhomeradar - easy collect aircraft information - Details for the selected database entry (http://www.libhomeradar.org/databasequery/details.php?page=0&qid=8621506&sid=1361289467)

[Kestrel_Stu]

Not a good accolade for Jet2 in 2010:

Telegraph - Jet2.com named Britain's least punctual major airline (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/travelnews/8400362/Jet2.com-named-Britains-least-punctual-major-airline.html)

[dwshimoda]

Dig into the detail and analysis is for less than 10,000 Jet2.com flights, and not a single one out of Leeds - the biggest base!

How can that be an objective survey?

[Skipness One Echo]

Skipness, i disagree. You can slate EZY for several things, in my opinion, but cabin crew are consistently highly rated as opposed to several full service carriers which are spot on in so many way except many of the cabin crew.

I apologise, I have used EZY many times and have not anything but praise for everything except the boarding scrum. I have no complaints with EZY or the loco model. I get what I pay for.

[itsonthebox]

Dwshimoda...add in LBA their main base and it would be worse..all the tech a/c get dumped there for the ginger beers to fix...I know the OTP out of LBA and it's pants...nearly as good as FCO.....Time for the Meekon to put a rocket up the GM of G'Ops @rse me thinks :eek:

[righthandrule]

Dwshimoda...add in LBA their main base and it would be worse..all the tech a/c get dumped there for the ginger beers to fix...I know the OTP out of LBA and it's pants...nearly as good as FCO.....Time for the Meekon to put a rocket up the GM of G'Ops @rse me thinks

It's not quite like that, aircraft are based at specific airports based on their performance, LJ and LK at Blackpool for example. Not because they are "tech" - "Ohh LU is going to be tech tomorrow - lets ship in into LBA!." Come on, you do not even know if an aircraft will have a tech fault until the last minute. I would like to see the results for the entire network, as only 40% of Jet2's operations have actually been included in this survey.

The ground handling delays OTP for summer 2010 was 96.4%, so clearly the issue lies elsewhere. Typically, the vast majority of delays are attributed to ATC slots, for example in summer the LBA-LCA service nearly always went about 45 minutes late, due to ATC congestion. From an airlines point of view, very little can be done about that. Manchester certainly is the dog in the route network when it comes to OTP, it is frustrating when a flight boards on time but due to ramp congestion and a handful of aircraft in line waiting to go, an on time boarding turns into a 30 minute delay.

One thing that I find is our main challenge is the turnaround times back at the UK bases. Typically 55mins-1 hour for a 757 and 30-40 minutes for a 737. This can nearly always be achieved down route when the crew stay on the aircraft but as crew change over back in the UK these turnarounds are often pushed. It is very hard to disembark a full 757, have a crew change and put another 220 passengers on within an hour - especially if the aircraft is on an airbridge or requiring busses.

Another thing to take into consideration is the profile of the routes Jet2 fly into, typically larger airports on peak days of the week. Block times is also something that I think could be worked on, why can Ryanair justify having a flying time of 2h45 mins on LBA-PMI when Jet2 has a time of 2h35 mins - with Ryanairs -800's getting there a bit faster than our -300's? An extra 20 minutes on a return rotation is a LOT of leeway. It will be interesting to see how this summer goes.

[TSR2]

Blimey .... OTP seems to have gone completely down the drain in 2010.

[dwshimoda]

Righthandrule,

A great post. Perhaps Jet2 are partly being hit because they fly to "real" flight times, as opposed to building a bit of fat into each flight time?

Also, one thing to bear in mind is the number of flights that depart late due to to PAX not arriving at the gate on time / bags needing off loading. Whilst this applies to all airlines, some of the routes (eg TLV) attract greater incidents of this.

One of the problems at Manchester (as well as ramp congestion) is the use of the second runway - there are times when it is closed and the queue for departures and arrivals is ridiculous.

As for itsonthebox's all the tech a/c get dumped there for the ginger beers to fix That's a load of bollox and insulting.

[itsonthebox]

So its bollix and insulting eh?

So Jet2 never ever swap tails down route in AGP or TFS and bring them back to LBA to fix at the weekends

Ask the Station Manager at LBA and he will tell you how many tail swaps and delays he has to take on the chin and how it hits his OTP bonus .

Righthandrule...Am glad you said 300 and 800...As you know Ops are not allowed to call the 800 the NG in case it insults the poor old Classic 300 fleet.

As for ATC delays...why then are RYR and EZY Ops better at dealing with these than Jet2 Ops ?

[righthandrule]

So Jet2 never ever swap tails down route in AGP or TFS and bring them back to LBA to fix at the weekends

Ask the Station Manager at LBA and he will tell you how many tail swaps and delays he has to take on the chin and how it hits his OTP bonus .

Yes, of course that happens, but this happens at EVERY airline! If an aircraft is due planned maintenance then it will of course be swapped around at some point to make its way to LBA - afterall LBA is Jet2's main engineering base! This is very different to "dumping the tech aircraft at LBA" Please do explain why this has an impact on OTP? You mention TFS and AGP, well yes they are typically the places where aircraft are swapped when required - for future reference, this does not impact on OTP as aircraft are swapped here because the says and times of operation are the same time, i.e. LBA-TFS and MAN-TFS arrive at the same time on the days when aircraft are swapped. But again this only happens on a very very occasional basis, if I can count on one hand how many times this happened last summer.

And to your last point, I really don't need to ask the Station Manager :ok:

As for ATC delays...why then are RYR and EZY Ops better at dealing with these than Jet2 Ops

No, but lets put it this way - if you fly into Luton over Heathrow you would expect far less ATC slot delays, the same applies to TSF over VCE, NRN over DUS, GRO over BCN, MPL over TLS .... you get the idea?

Bonus !!!!!!

It seems everyone is on a bonus in Jet2 but the pilots

even the cabin crew get a bonus for not going sick


Trust me, a first officers wage is more than double the station manager, ground operations is very poorly paid and as an incentive, part of the bonus does include OTP related to the ground operations department. Similarly to the crew, who are paid peanuts to flight deck, there needs to be some incentive or else the job does not get done. Or putting it the other way, if the job is not done as well as PM wants, then he can take money off you. You wouldn't be best pleased if you took an extra half tonne of fuel to ACE, and had £200 taken out of your pocket. It works both ways... so it may say "bonus" to you, but trust me, it reality its not!

[paully]

Just been watching the Gibraltar Govt spokesman talking about new airlines starting routes there, it was the occasion of the inauguaral EZY flight from Liverpool, and he stated that they were talking to other UK Airlines in paticular looking at services from Leeds/Bfd, Newcastle and Edinburgh to the Rock.....Must be Jet2 they are targetting. Brand new mega terminal opening there in May/June time and they are offering good rates to attract new business....

Might be a new 733 route???

[compton3bravo]

I would be a bit wary about the May/June opening of the new terminal Paully. I was at Gib on Sunday evening and looking at the new terminal I would humbly suggest more like September to me.
As for Jet2 they operate Boeing 733s and 757s so probably not the right type of aircraft for Gib operations but I am no pilot - Captains only landings. BA, Monarch and easyJet all use the A319/320 and easy refused to operate the B737-700 into Gib. Monarch did use the B757 some years ago and had two major incidents so it will be interesting what Jet2 would operate.
Shall we say landing at Gib is ''interesting''.

[INKJET]

BA used to use the the 734 to GIB until ops switched to LHR from LGW 18 months or so back, with Southerly winds over the rock you can get a vortex at the North end giving a tailwind on either end! of GIB which of course is where the runway is, the go around can be complex due to Spanish airspace 150m North of the runway!!

Having said all that it's great fun! at least until you divert to AGP

[paully]

Know what you mean, its like landing on the deck of an aircraft carrier,when we had them :mad:, anyway going in there tomorrow again so will be fun :ok:...

Obviously something in the wind as the Gib Transport Minister made this claim on the rock yesterday so they are trying to entice Jet2 there, whether they succeed is of course a hard headed business decision and would have to be right for Jet2..

[compton3bravo]

Personally I would have thought a Glasgow or Edinburgh three times weekly would be a good idea as there are an awful lot of Scots down here and they all have to use Malaga which is up to an hours drive from near the bottom of Spain if you pardon the expression!

[Mr @ Spotty M]

Monarch only had one major incident at GIB with the B757. :=
By the way, the only a/c that MON can operate into GIB is the A320 or B757.

[compton3bravo]

Thanks Mr Spotty about the incidents at Gib - I think the second one was with an Airbus. Cheers C3B.

[Mr @ Spotty M]

Not a MON one, only the B757 incident.

[sam1993]

Jet2 have chosen to paint their latest 737-800 in a livery similar to the one worn by the two leased Allegiant 757s. Is this the beginning of a new livery to be worn by some aircraft promoting Jet2holidays?
Photo Jet2 Boeing 737-8K5 D-AHFB (http://www.planepictures.net/netshow.php?id=1027587)

[goldeneye]

Jet2 have chosen to paint their latest 737-800 in a livery similar to the one worn by the two leased Allegiant 757s. Is this the beginning of a new livery to be worn by some aircraft promoting Jet2holidays?


I guess there is always a possibility that Jet2 will be leasing this 737 to Allegiant over the Winter Season 2011/12, this would make the exchange of aircraft easy.

[aidoair]

Jet2 have chosen to paint their latest 737-800 in a livery similar to the one worn by the two leased Allegiant 757s. Is this the beginning of a new livery to be worn by some aircraft promoting Jet2holidays?

It could be. Reason I think this is because the actual Allegiant Air livery/logo is a slightly different style to this especially the sun on the tail...

In my opinion though it looks quite messy and definately doesn't suit the current jet2 or jet2holidays style writing or colours. It may start messing with their brand image to the different arms of the company to passengers point of view too.

[OliWW]

Wont affect things though will it...

It will probably spend most of the summer parked up!!! lol!

[Penworth]

Why do you say that? I can see these 800's flying every hour available over the summer, filling in where there isn't the capacity for a 757, as well as all the Rome's, Budapest's etc.

[lbalad]

I like this new Jet2 holidays colourscheme.

Personally I think the original silver Jet2 painted aircraft look dated now.Prefer the white ones,at least this has a bit of colour to it.

Why does it say Jet2h on it,didn't they have time to put on all the transfers?

[Ian Brooks]

OliWW
I don`t think you will see much of the Jet2 fleet sat around during the
summer and even less of the lastest arrivals as they are leased as opposed to owned and they will have to earn their keep


Ian B

[airhumberside]

Why would G4 want a B737-800 on lease? None of their crew will be trained on it as they are an MD-80 series/B757 operator

[DjerbaDevil]

Here's a shot of the port side to satisfy the curious:
D-AHFB - Jet2 - Boeing 737-8K5(WL) - Planespotters.net Just Aviation (http://www.planespotters.net/Aviation_Photos/photo.show?id=178906)

[Ian Brooks]

Maybe lease will include crews?


Ian

[righthandrule]

LSAL is only on a summer lease and will go back to Allegiant for winter, hence the hybrid livery. GDFD is also on a short term lease for now so it's got the Holidays livery to keep it consistent. The rest and future fleet will have the normal livery, as aircraft cycle through maintenance they will have the 'friendly low fares' scribble down the side replaced with one of the airlines USP's such as on LSAA.

[NRU74]

I've just booked some Jet2 flights - how long have they had a fuel surcharge ?
There's also an on line check in fee which seems impossible to avoid.
Neither of these is obvious until the very last stage of the booking.

[TSR2]

how long have they had a fuel surcharge ?

Jet2 imposed Fuel Surcharges on mid-haul flights from the date that Summer 11 flights went on sale last August. Fuel Surcharges were added to short-haul flights around December. I booked flights to Faro in November and there were no Fuel Surcharges then. If they know that far in advance that a fuel surcharge is necessary, I think it should be incorporated into the basic fare.

There's also an on line check in fee which seems impossible to avoid.

Correct, you are in fact being charged for printing your own Boarding Pass.


Neither of these is obvious until the very last stage of the booking

Again correct. It is a case of watch the price escallate as you progress through the booking process. Hopefully some watchdog will put an end to this deviousness and make these airlines show a total price up front for all non-optional charges.

[Chitty]

i have booked a flight from leeds to dusseldorf in may and i wasnt charged a Fuel Surcharges and i booked my flight in february

[righthandrule]

If you choose one of the promotional flights, the ones marked 'lowest fare' on the low fare finder search and don't check any bags in the online check in charge is knocked off.

[TSR2]

You must be lucky as there is now a Fuel Surcharge on those flights.

[TSR2]

Just to highlight how absurd the current pricing system is, if you take LBA - DUS on the 3rd May and returning 10th May, the headline fare is £1.99 outbound and £0.99 return. The price you pay for on-line check-in, handbaggage only, NO 'optional' extras, and paid for by Debit Card is £70.47.

[DjerbaDevil]

From the online news source e-tid.com:

Ryanair and Jet2 agree to be upfront

28 Feb 2011

The Civil Aviation Authority has launched a guide for consumers to help them get the best deal for flights.


It comes as Jet2 and Ryanair have agreed that they will display the full price up-front by 28 April and 1 June 2011 respectively, said the CAA.

The authority has been working with carriers to ensure they display prices clearly and said traditional airlines such as British Airways, Virgin Atlantic and BMI comply with their obligations to do so.

It added: ‘We welcome the steps taken by easyJet to amend its website at an early stage of the CAA’s work and the changes made by Monarch Airlines, bmibaby and Flybe to display the final, inclusive price at all times.

‘Jet2 and Ryanair have also formally agreed that they will display the full price up-front by 28 April and 1 June 2011 respectively.’

Iain Osborne, CAA group director of regulatory policy, said: ‘The difference between the price holidaymakers might see when they first search for a flight and the lowest price actually available can be £100 or more for a family of four.

‘Consumers should be presented with clear information about the price of their flight throughout the booking process, so they can make fair comparisons between different airlines.

‘Most airlines have changed their websites and adverts to include all unavoidable charges, and Ryanair and Jet2 are committed to doing so by summer.

‘In the meantime holidaymakers should follow our Top Tips for Tickets and be aware that headline prices may not include unavoidable costs in some cases.’

Its Top Tips for Tickets urges customers to ‘always shop around for the best deal and check you are comparing like with like before you book’.

Other tips including checking whether the prices on the screen are the final prices before committing to a booking, and ensuring that ‘you are only paying for things you want – travel insurance, reserving a seat, or hold baggage are common optional extras’.

It suggests members of the public double-check all the details, especially travellers’ names and flight dates, as many airlines charge to change them later.

The CAA said consumers have raised concerns over charges for changing their details, the clarity on pricing of optional extras such as seat booking, and credit card fees and charges, which it will be looking into in the future.

[LPFR]

That's my one and only grip when i book a LCC flight. The price starts at a few euros, and even without purchasing any optional stuff (bags, seat, meal) you just see the price arise every step you take on the booking process. Glad that will be changed so everyone know what they gonna pay straight away if they don't want any extras.

[Chitty]

Quote:
Just to highlight how absurd the current pricing system is, if you take LBR - DUS on the 3rd May and returning 10th May, the headline fare is £1.99 outbound and £0.99 return. The price you pay for on-line check-in, handbaggage only, NO 'optional' extras, and paid for by Debit Card is £70.47.


i have booked to fly on the 8th of may with a bag and extra legroom but i am not returning

[ericlday]

LBR - Labrea Airport Brasil ?????

[TSR2]

Sorry, I meant LBA. Another senior moment.

[Hull City AFC]

Selected flights for next Summer (2012) with Jet2 from Leeds Bradford Airport are now onsale. Flights bookable now are: Palma, Ibiza, Mahon, Malaga, Alicante, Murcia, Tenerife, Arrecife, Barclelona & Faro.

[clareview]

Listed on arrivals at BFS this morning was an LS flight from Fort Lauderdale. I presume this was a B757 and a one off

[TSR2]

Probably a flight for a Cruise ship crew.

[Mr @ Spotty M]

Was on a ferry flight back from Fort Lauderdale, after taking a crew outbound.
It is due to operate a BFS-LTN-BFS day trip tomorrow.
Did it land in BFS or divert to MAN, reason l ask is that l spotted on the MAN arrivals, on ceefax this morning flight diverted.
Normally when seeing diverted, it means diverted in and not as you would normally read it.

[TSR2]

I have noticed that Jet2 are now showing fares totally inclusive of all taxes and charges. Well not quite all charges, a Check-in Fee and Booking Fee (unless payment is by Electron) is still charged seperately otherwise the only extra charges are for optional services such as hold baggage, seat reservation and meals. They also seem to have dropped the Fuel Surcharge or incorporated it into the base fare.

[billvet]

Can anyone tell me if Jet2 have plans to recommence SSH flights from EMA.
Thanks
Bill

[GnRdL]

New ROUTES for Summer 2012:
EDINBURGH - ALICANTE - 4x/w from 29 March 2012
EAST MIDLANDS - MALAGA - 5x/w from May 2012
EAST MIDLANDS - MURCIA - 3x/w from May 2012

BELFAST -ALICANTE will up from 1x/w during the peak season to 3x/w all the summer season.
EAST MIDLANDS - ALICANTE will up from 3x/w to 5x/w during the summer season.
EAST MIDLANDS - FARO => to 4x/w.
EAST MIDLANDS - MAJORCA => to 6x/w.
EAST MIDLANDS - TENERIFE SOUTH => increase capacity (more seats available).
EDINBURGH - MALAGA => to 4x/w from 30 March 2012

More info: New Jet2.com Routes from Edinburgh and East Midlands for Summer 2012 | Jet2.com (http://www.jet2.com/News/New_Jet2_com_Routes_from_Edinburgh_and_East_Midlands_for_Sum mer_2012/)

[BAladdy]

November sees the return of LS's Christmas shopping flights to NYC.

This year flights will operate from East Midlands, Glasgow, Leeds Bradford and Newcastle.

Schedule below

East Midlands to New York

LS073 EMA 08:10 EWR 11:15 757 4 (Ops 17 NOV only)

LS074 EWR 22:00 EMA 10:00 757 7 (Ops 20 NOV only)

GLASGOW to New York

LS085 GLA 08:30 EWR 11:00 757 4 (Ops 17 NOV only)

LS086 EWR 20:00 GLA 07:50 757 7 (Ops 20 NOV only)

Leeds Bradford to New York

LS087 LBA 08:10 EWR 11:15 757 4 (Ops 01st & 8th DEC only)

LS088 EWR 20:00 LBA 08:00 757 7 (Ops 04th & 10th DEC only)

Newcastle to New York

LS075 NCL 08:00 EWR 11:00 757 4 (Ops 01st & 8th DEC only)

LS076 EWR 22:00 NCL 10:00 757 7 (Ops 04th & 10th DEC only)

[2Planks]

There was a very mixed reaction to Jet2 cancelling Tunisia and Egypt earlier this year. Posts 4010 onwards.

From today's BBC Ceefax "Thomas Cook warns of weak trading. Unrest in key tourism destionations such as Tunisia and Egypt have weighed heavily on profits at Thomas Cook. TCX saw half year operating losses widen by £36m to £166m as travellers cancelled bookings and shunned the resorts. TCX warned of a further impact in the 2nd half of £35m, adding that the UK market remained tough. The firm is restructuring , having made 500 redundancies and closed it defined benefit pension scheme"

Of course there are massive differences in scale, Jet2 was small enough to react and we will have to wait for the Dart Gp results (but the April Trading Statement said profits would be in line with forecasts); but on the face of it it looks like the correct decision was made for the Company and its staff. Sure there were some unhappy clients, a difficult call made correctly???

[LBIA]

Looks like Jet2.com are also adding a new once weekly Monday service from its Leeds/Bradford base to Las Palmas-Gran Canaria for next summer 2012.

Flights commence from May 28th and are to be operated by the Boeing 757.

[GlennTheBaker]

I definitely think the decision to drop Tunisia and Egypt was correct. Why fanny about with a 'wait and see' approach to then end up flying half empty planes each time?

[757 Speedbrakes]

Anyone know where the Thomson - Jet2 merger / takeover rumor has started from?????  Keep hearing this at work lately. It's almost as bad as the old Jet2 - Globescam merger; except most of us at J2 wouldn't actually mind that! Especially if we got the Thomson T & C's and all the idiots in middle management got the boot! :ok:

[CabinCrewe]

Why would it be of benefit to TOM ?

[Ernest Lanc's]

I definitely think the decision to drop Tunisia and Egypt was correct. Why fanny about with a 'wait and see' approach to then end up flying half empty planes each time?
According to Jet2 Holidays - They where not prepared to fly their pax into danger situations.

[righthandrule]

The last time this rumour surfaced was when Jet2Hols signed a contract with TUI to distribute our holidays through Thomson travel agents. Coupled with the fact LSAL/LSAM were previously ex TOM aircraft, people got a bit over excited!

Heard that Jet2 are getting two ex TUIfly 737-800's in time for next summer, so the rumours are most likely back again.

[take-off]

Are JET2 going to continue flying from BLackpool in 2012, been looking for hols and nothing is showing past march, all the other bases have holidays/flights for sale up to next nov 2012? ~Is it case of wait and see what happens between the airline and BLK airport,incase things kick off again, as with last winter, or are Jet2 goingt o stick 2 fingers up to BLK for messing them about:=

Just a note to say if you download the holdiay brochure off the website its showing flights for BLk for next year but nothing is on website to book. I do like to try and support local airport even if the ADF does annoy me, thanks guys and girls:ok:

[Chitty]

not all jet2 summer 2012 flights are on sale yet

[Hull City AFC]

Two new routes for Glasgow Airport for Summer 2012.

3x Weekly to Barcleona (Thurs, Sat & Sun).

3x Weekly to Murcia (Tues, Thurs & Sun).

[Chitty]

here is a pic of a jet2 news 737-300 at the moment it is OO-TNF which will become G-GDFE here is the link Photos: Boeing 737-3Q8(QC) Aircraft Pictures | Airliners.net (http://www.airliners.net/photo/Jet2/Boeing-737-3Q8(QC)/1929122/&sid=cd23d549203348052b99481c10fb330c)

[Jet2]

23 years old this one.

[take-off]

chitty,

Every base has holidays for sale for summer 2012 , Blackpool has none!

[LPFR]

Is G-GDFE owned or just short lease? Wouldn't think they would want to buy such old aircraft when they're progressively getting rid of them, but you never know.

[daz211]

OO-TNF is that an old TNT EXPRESS bird ?

[planenut321]

Are LS stopping flights out of BLK for next summer then? New base somewhere else?

[Chitty]

blackpool is in there 2012 holiday brochure

[OntimeexceptACARS]

Reason is probably that its a -QC aircraft - and probably destined to be EDI based, like G-CELO, G-CELR, G-CELZ. Punters through the day and EBay pressies at night.

OTEA

[take-off]

Has anybody else had problems gettingonto the holiday website? Been trying for 2 days without getting on :mad:

[Espada III]

I fly a couple of time a year to Tel Aviv on Jet2. I do prefer a full service airline but that means a change in Europe and a longer trip.

The cost of adding luggage to the trip is about £40 per case. So most people try to avoid adding luggage and we manage to travel hand luggage only. Yesterday as we got to the gate about ten minutes after boarding was 'announced' no-one had yet to a board and they were making announcements about putting larger items of hand luggage in the hold free of charge. Crazy. If they reduced the cost of hold luggage we would certainly added a single largish case than take two good sized carry on bags FOC.

Also, they get upset about people delaying push back. But as the plane had been on the ground all night, they could have boarded us a little earlier and avoided a short delay. They know people take time to stow hand luggage and telling them not to do it whilst standing in the aisle is ridiculous. It is almost impossible to stow carry on luggage unless you are in the aisle.

Rant over. I have to home yet!

[sunshine79]

I've just been flicking through their new holiday brochure online and it amuses me that they have used a B757 picture half in Allegiant colour scheme. Surely LS have plenty of pictures in their own c/s to put in the brochure, or they could have gone onto a.net or google for one of their own picture.

[take-off]

Quite like that colour scheme, actually prefer it to the battleship grey, suits the holiday arm, making it that bit different. still cant get on holiday website.

[theloudone]

Good for antiques road show then:)

[TSUP]

New cargo contract, or something like that. Heard it on the grape vine !

[freightdoggy dog]

New strap line required then " Committed to Cargo":eek:

[SvensKingPower]

Has anyone got a contact email for jet2 at east mids.

[jet2impress]

Espada... I understand your frustrations with the baggage issues. I believe cabin baggage is an important revenue stream for them, not sure if prices would be reduced, unless baggage prices were also reduced by competitors.

With regards to boarding earlier; boarding usually starts as soon as the flight deck crew arrive. They report for duty 1 hour before departure, they can't report earlier due to duty time limitations. It would be great in an ideal world to board much earlier, but the time rules wouldn't allow for the earlier crew report time without the crew making a night stop in TLV.

[GlennTheBaker]

"Frustrating" is the only word that can accurately sum up the TLV departure from MAN for those of us trying to get the :mad: thing out on time :ugh:

[DomyDom]

As reported on MAN forum, new routes to Milan (Bergamo), Paris and Toulouse now on sale. Nice addition to the recently added Barcelona.

[EuroChallenger]

Good to hear more routes, although I THINK those routes have been operated in the past by Jet2.

[take-off]

Are all these new routes at BLackpools expense? NOthing at all for next year, are we to expect an announcemnt on blackpool base shortly, otherwise its seems rather odd that every other base has flights for sale up to Nov12 apart from BLK:confused:

[EGCC7955]

I see Jet2 are advertising for PSA's at MAN, does anybody know are these likely to be full-time positions given the new routes or just seasonal to cope with the extra holiday travellers throughout the summer?

[jet2impress]

I believe the PSA's will be seasonal.

[freightdoggy dog]

Re: BLK/J2 closure....Bit of a STN Marmota Monax day occurring here me thinks !!!

I do hope I'm wrong....but

I mean all those LGW trips you guys and gals from oop North flew through W09 at great expense, whilst those poor STN based crews sat at home on unpaid leave/50% contracts to save the day....only to then learn from tut management that News International was setting up printing press's on the C.Islands and LP would have no newspaper work, so the base will have to shut.....oh and your redundancy pay is now based on your new 50% contracts that you agreed to....ouch

Funny though, that I still hear the dulcet tones of a Westair Allison or Titan CFM waking me up at 05:00 on me ops night shift; flying the SID out of BOH down to Fraggle rock :eek:

Take off....All I can say is.... beware the mass visitation from Oi Mickey, TWE and a HR assistant pro-actively engaging you with A white A4 envelope !!!

Still on the plus side...you could always get a job as a labourer/brickie on Bafours new building site :ok:

[harer92]

Hi I was just wondering why LS169 MAN-IBZ was delayed for around 330 minutes, it was supposed to leave at 14:10 today but is set to depart around 7 or 8 oclock.

[TSR2]

Funchal also has a 7 hour delay.

[LBIA]

Jet2 seem to be having a lot off problems just at the moment.

The 2x Manchester based B738's G-GDFC & D are both running between 5 and 7 hours late today for some unknown reason. By way G-GDFC is operating the LS169 to Ibiza after it arrived late back to Manchester from Rome.

Leeds Based B752, G-LSAI went tech this morning and has caused a 7 hour delay to the Alicante service.

Belfast based B73QC, G-CELY went tech on Saturday so Leeds based B733, G-CELH and Edinburgh based B73QC, G-CELP have been drafted in as replacements.

Blackpool based B733, G-CELK has been positioned to Leeds as a replacement for B733, G-CELH.

Euro Airpost B73QC, F-GIXE will operate tonight's Edinburgh mail runs in replacement for B73QC, G-CELP.

[freightdoggy dog]

"Late back from Rome to Manchester"......never :p Glad to see that something's never change despite increasing the planned/scheduled STD/STA to give it fat. Think NG should go and sort Aviapartner and those pesky baggage boys out :ok:

And poor old LP getting robbed from the RMail to cover the techies...bit of a ground hog day in Ops by the sounds of it.

So is it just the classic equipment getting thrashed again or shortage of crews ?

[GnRdL]

Jet2 has put Blackpool flights on sale for Summer 2012 (to 8 destinations).
- New summer route to Tenerife – making it a year round service.
- The popular flights to Jersey and Belfast will be on sale later this week.

Source: Jet2.com (http://www.jet2.com/News/Jet2_com_%E2%80%98Here_To_Stay%E2%80%99_in_Blackpool/)

[Travel Agent]

The reason for the delay at Blackpool........Jet2 win court case against Blackpool Airport - www.travelweekly.co.uk (http://www.travelweekly.co.uk/Articles/2011/06/16/37388/jet2-win-court-case-against-blackpool-airport.html)

[take-off]

When do people think Jet2 will start having to replace rather than adding planes to their fleet,I would imagine it will get to a point where maintaining the old girls will be uneconomic . I appreciate its been talked about in the past, but times have changed, and would they look at airbus?

[TSR2]

Looks like a bad day for the 757 fleet at Manchester. Faro 7 hours delay and Murcia 6+ hours delay.

[LBIA]

The MAN-FAO flight LS875 is now operating out of LBA this afternoon by the spare B757-200 that Jet2 currently have at LBA on a Thursday afternoon.

Meanwhile an LBA based B737-300 will also position over to MAN this afternoon to help out before returning back to LBA later tonight.

[TSR2]

Thanks for that information. I bet the FAO pax will be somewhat less than pleased at that.

[BHD2BFS]

any chance of further expansion at belfast? there hasnt been much action in the last couple of year
possibility of new york if CO pull out?

[jabird]

B2B, CO's complaint is that they make no money on the route because of APD, especially as pax can use DUB where they pay next to nothing.

Locos are known for reducing every possible cost, but afaik, no loco has ever managed to negotiate a better tax rate with HMRC! Also, much of the loco advantage over trad carriers is gained by negotiating better airport handling fees - and this is much less important on transatlantic sectors where fuel is the biggest variable cost. Again, Jet2 haven't got any kind of less thirsty beast here either - I would guess CO's 757s drink a little less as they have winglets & afaik, LS's don't. So considering that CO offer 50+ onward connections from EWR, and that LS have virtually zero experience in the (scheduled) transatlantic market, why would they want to replace CO?


And finally, can I thank whoever started this thread for calling Jet2 what they are - an airline, NOT a website. I really hate it when everyone else calls them Jet2.com - the prime service they offer is flights, not flight comparison!

[Ian Brooks]

Jabird
Just one point the B757 use for Transat flights do have winglets


Ian B

[jabird]

IB, always happy to stand corrected, but that just brings the two carriers potentially level on fuel costs. I know EI push conx with Jet Blue but I just don't buy it as a serious alternative to a proper network connection.

[Cazza_fly]

And finally, can I thank whoever started this thread for calling Jet2 what they are - an airline, NOT a website. I really hate it when everyone else calls them Jet2.com - the prime service they offer is flights, not flight comparison!

Fair enough, but Jet2.com is actually the airlines trading name, a subsidiary of the Dart Group PLC. ''Jet2'' is just a brand of the groups travel businesses.

All advertising for the airline, airport/onboard announcments and communications are meant to be shown as Jet2.com .

[jabird]

Cazza - you are technically correct but it is marketing madness. The whole idea of Jet2 suggests Jet2 Malaga, Jet2 Amsterdam etc on the departures board.

Why the hell do I want to Jet to dot com? For most of us, websites are there to give us information, they are not a destination in their own right.

Of course, if DART group had set up Air 'Facebook', then it might be a different story ;)

[jabird]

Could I just ask any LS insiders what prospects they have of Jet2 jumping a little bit further south to CVT?

There were rumours in the old days of Meeson being chummy with CVT mgt, but also of TOM effectively having a deal at the time not to have anyone operate routes in comp with them. I think in reality there wasn't really much room for TOM competitors back then, now there is plenty!

[Shed-on-a-Pole]

jabird - I am not an LS insider, but I can tell you that Coventry Airport is under completely new ownership and management since the old days of Thomson. The management personnel you refer to are presumably long gone, taking their industry connections with them. As I said, I have no inside info but Jet2 at CVT would be a real long-shot TBH. SHED.

[jabird]

Shed, I am well aware of new mgt & their claims of 'instantly' getting 1m pax pa - see CVT thread.

I posted here because essentially we have done an elimination process which makes every other airline very unlikely! Therefore, either Jet2 come to CVT, or new mgt are being wildly optimistic.

[mikkie4]

what about jet2 at southend? untapped market down south

[jabird]

mikkie,

Think there will be a lot of Orange blood running through those taps! CVT has no carriers at present.

[binsleepen]

Jabird,

J2 very unlikely to open up in CVT as EMA only 15 mins up the road and it is expanding again at EMA next year. Only my thoughts though.

Regards

[jabird]

Matt

15 mins in a f1 car (no speed checks on the M69, M1 not so forgiving!)

Even CVT - BHX will take a good 25 mins (lots of cameras), but the argument often used is Cov BR - B Int station is just 10 mins.

So what? Baby & Ryan both @ EMA and BHX. Ryan now gone into allsorts of cities where they have used both (or even all) airports.

I would generally assume that an airline at BHX is less likely to add routes at CVT, but they could still add a different range of destinations. Jet2 at MAN & BLK, so would CVT really be out of the question?

[binsleepen]

Not out of the question certainly, but not very likely IMHO. The costs of setting up a base are substantial.

Regards

[jabird]

The costs of having an idle airport are also substantial :) I would expect a heavily discounted landing fee, profit to be made from the car parks!

[SWBKCB]

Does CVT still have the necessary infrastructure to support pax flights, i.e. have the terminal, car parks, etc been used since TOM left?

[Richard Taylor]

I'd like to see Jet2 at Aberdeen, which would help fill some more of the void left when flyglobespan went under a couple of years ago.

Would be nice to see the likes of them expand further north from the Scottish Central belt.

The likes of Alicante would be well supported at the right frequency, I reckon.

one hears a rumour for 2012...

[BOAC4ME]

ABZ is probably a more feasible shout than CVT in my humble opinion, would be suprised to see anything based, but maybe some 733 'w' patterns could work.

[BHD2BFS]

No expansion plans for Belfast then?

[LPFR]

Not that I know of, besides a new route to Faro and the return of Dubrovnik for next summer (so far!).

[benjiman1994]

Wikipedia Page shows that Jet2 have routes planned from Cardiff for May 2012. however, i think it has been edited as there is only mention on the CWL page, not on any other of the routes.
It would be brilliant if they came to CWL and would probably be their top choice out of CWL and BRS. The apron needs extending at BRS, there is no space. CWL could be in for something here, even if not this early !

[UPS@EMA]

Just heard that there is an airbus due to Jet2 very shortly. Source is top management.

Also will be A320. Not sure for how long tho.

[Chidken Sangwich]

A320 is to be a 'standby unit' so dont worry.

Someone did tell me who's it was going to be, but I cant remember.

[david1994]

Jet2 are to lease a Luxembourg registered Airbus A320 for 2 months (July/August) to be based at Manchester on standby for the whole of the Boeing 737-300 fleet due to the on going problems they seem to be suffering this summer season. Im presuming this will be Strategic Air, who have A320's.

[TSR2]

An A320 is not much use as a standby aircaft for the 757 fleet.

[freightdoggy dog]

Depends on airframe availability during the peak I guess TSR2....Then again when Hekla blows it top ( See GeoPhysicist report today from Pall Einarsson) , they'd be better of leasing some more Proctors coaches :cool:

[renort]

TSR2, a much more sensible option than relying on subcharters arranged by an inhouse broker who takes a commission for the pleasure, you know who I mean. Looks like the 320 covers 80% of the LS fleet, a 757 to constantly cover 733's looks excessive

[TSR2]

Looks like the 320 covers 80% of the LS fleet, a 757 to constantly cover 733's looks excessive

Yes renort I fully agree but it seems that the 757 fleet is more unreliable than the 733 fleet. I may be wrong on this but each time I notice a major delay from MAN, it always seems to be a 757.

[binsleepen]

The other day both the 738s went sick and a EMA 752 was used to fill the gap after it had finished its day job.

[Penworth]

A320 is to be a 'standby unit'

Doesn't seem like the a320 has been on standby much so far, seems to have been covering at least two sectors a day.

[easyflyer83]

Yes renort I fully agree but it seems that the 757 fleet is more unreliable than the 733 fleet. I may be wrong on this but each time I notice a major delay from MAN, it always seems to be a 757.

A 757 delay could be a multitude of reasons and could well be a result of 733 problems itself.

[LBIA]

I see jet2 have another Boeing 757 aircraft out of service and it looks to have caused a big delay at LBA.
The LS217 Service to Arrecife was due out at 14:10 this afternoon but the passengers have just been informed after sitting in the LBA departure lounge for the last 10 hours or so that the aircraft is unserviceable and they won’t be going anywhere until at least 16:30 tomorrow afternoon at the earliest.

Meanwhile the awaiting the inbound LS218 service passengers out in Arrecife are to be put into a Hotel for the night..

[TSR2]

Well the standby A320 does not appear to have helped that situation then.

[LBIA]

Jet2 now have Air Finland's Boeing 757-200, OH-AFL helping with the delays at LBA today.

[freightdoggy dog]

I have been reliably informed it is down to "lack of crew". That is some of the current batch of new f/deck are sat on their backsides awaiting their i.d cards to be processed by HR before line training ???

They might all get on line by end of August apparently ???

This " lack of crew/ time window " was a point made back in January, but since this point was the only voice of reason ...said person has now found self "surplus to requirements"...hence the new vacancy on Aviation Job search re Ops.

Still at least there will be a surplus of crews/airframes come Winter and with FR moving into MAN with 4 a/c...new bases in CWL and NWI could be in the offing on 50% contracts for those seeking a move south :eek:

[Miss Infomed]

Hi P*** - er I mean F-dog, seems your insider info is not very reliable.:=
Jet2.com are just protecting their loyal customers and reducing delays - this has nothing to do with crews! :ok:

[heading 125]

F-dog where have you got this information about new bases - At Cardiff. I thought that that was not happening.

[Chidken Sangwich]

Sorry Miss Informed, but I have to agree with what FDD says with regard to delays in getting people on line.

I have a contact that is still 'on the sidelines' awaiting completion of training that he started in February and is anticipating completing in August...

10 of the 26 new FR routes ex MAN are already served by Jet 2 and 6 by MON so MAN Airport cant be doing themselves any favours there.

I'd also like to know what the misleading pop-up box is doing on the front page of the website which claims "fares now include all taxes and charges", yet after selecting your flights and continuing with an onlnie booking a mysterious £10 check-in fee appears in your basket without you selecting anything. This IS as an additional charge!

I hope this gets resolved before Watchdog get hold of it...

[757 Speedbrakes]

I'd heard new base was BHX....?? Going after BMI Baby??

Ahh well, this is called the professional pilots RUMOR network after all! :hmm:

[jethro15]

I'd heard new base was BHX....?? Going after BMI Baby??
I've been waiting for someone to mention this. If rumour I heard a few weeks ago is correct, you could be on to something.

[tonker]

If BHX did come off, the list for base transfers would be rather(i love it up here) LONG.

[Penworth]

That is some of the current batch of new f/deck are sat on their backsides awaiting their i.d cards to be processed by HR before line training ???


I doubt this would be the case - to fly out of Leeds, all you need is your passport and licence while your ID is being processed, I know this from personal experience.

Regarding new more southerly bases, I know of a few people who would jump at the chance to move south, but I always thought the attraction of Jet2 was the northern bases near where people wanted to live. I'd imagine the majority are quite happy where they are.

[Facelookbovvered]

Penworth

What planet are you on??

Leeds is a **** hole the house that are in a nice area are way out of Jet2 pay scale so your left with the likes of Horseforth, Kirkstall and North Bradford, the roads are ****e and the weather is crap, who in their right mind wouldn't head South given the chance, god only knows why they didn't keep HQ in Bournemouth!!

[Penworth]

Each to their own.....

[Check Mags On]

Penworth is right.

I am Manchester based, my view is why would anyone WANT to move down south. But that is my view tainted by my own personal circumstances.

I would rather commute/relocate north to Scotland before going down south.

Oh and flb you reliable source is not very accurate.

[757 Speedbrakes]

Well I didn't mean to open the North / South debate back up!! As long as everyone ends up where they want who cares?!

I have to say, I've liked living at both! Although I draw a line at Scotland!! :

Anyway, there might be North and South...... but don't forget the Middle East!!

[paully]

And if you cant afford ****holes in Leeds you defintely wont be able to afford them down south :ugh:

[wawkrk]

Facelookbovvered, you mean somewhere like Luton.

[tonker]

The problem is paully that you can earn so much more in the south that the living costs are not actually cheaper here.

I rent a 5 bed semi for £1300 per month whereas in the south it would be about £1700 per month. My wife earns £300 per day as a contractor up here, but could get £800 per day in London. She is from Sunderland and hates it here and wants south asap, whereas i have acclimtatised, and am in love with all the cabin crew:ok:

As for Jet2 which is what the thread is about, the folk you have to fly with our great, whereas the location is your choice and can be great. Pick well.

[freightdoggy dog]

757 Speedbrakes, yes there is always the Middle East, in fact it is now quite a retirement home for ex Channexers, falling over one another in FlyDubai and Ethiad...
Tonker you only want BHX because of the curry houses...whats wrong with paying £1.30 for Seabrooks famous Desi crisps on board :eek:
Chicken Sandwich..spot on...I seem to remember a case last year in NCL when a new hire hostie sat on the sidelines for months whilst " pro actively engaging HR sorted out the paperwork"...In the end her parents went to the press and hey presto one fast tracked i.d card arrived.
FBL H.O moved.. simply because its cheaper to employ staff oop North esp when MAG want the land your paortakabins are on in BOH....
Hmmmm Horsforth and the North Bradford canals with the odd dead night fighter floating by.... or a cheeky G+T as one sails the yacht past Harrys gaff at Sandbanks ?? Its a personal choice and I know which sh!tehole I prefer

[Ernest Lanc's]

What planet are you on??[...]Leeds is a **** hole

I think you are on planet Zog if you think that Leeds is a bigger ****ehole than the larger squalor that is London.

Up North it's colder - up North it's a great deal cheaper and a great deal safer.

As for Jet2 their roots are in the North - But their tentacles are increasingly moving Southwards.

And the cost of living is far higher down South - Always has been and finding work to meet this extra cost to have the same standard of living as Yorkshire or Lancashire is impossible without specialist skills like teaching et al. Ordinary Joe has no chance down London.

[757 Speedbrakes]

Sorry to correct you Earnie Lanc but Jet2's routes are from the South.......

I'm a southerner who loves the North, (although the south downs on a sunny evening beats the pennines and peak district by a mile) and having been based at 3 or the Jet2 bases over the years loved them all! Well, maybe not MAN as much!

Your best off flying for someone like BA or Virgin but using the cheaper living costs to reside up north and use the staff travel!

If BHX is a new Jet2 base, I'll lay good money it's the furthest towards 'gods country' that they'll get too!

[Helen49]

May be Jet 2 should consider expanding their Blackpool operations to compete with Ryanair. The Stelios argument, when he introduced Loco to the UK, was that passengers required simple hassle free airports. BLK is very accessible from many north of England locations. It may not offer a shopping centre but it does provide a simple transport facility.