Jet2 - 3

[Mr A Tis]

Full marks to jet 2 for cancelling flights in advance AND also arranging road & ferry transportations from Barcelona, Alicante & Murcia.
As this thing looks long term, its an opportunity the likes of Monarch & Thomson could try their hand at to get some poeople home.

[EuroChallenger]

Overland service now available from Faro - Leeds - estimated journey time approx 30 hours.

It is going to take a lot of coaches to get people home but at least some effort is being made. Those in the canaries are in the worst position due to the 48 hour ferry crossing to Spain, before any land transport.

I would sit it out, but of course, there could well be people stuck overseas who NEED to get back.

[ericlday]

There are a number of people here in Tenerife who are 'stranded' but can think of plenty of worse places to be 'stranded' than sitting in the sun dreaming about getting back to the uk !!!

[Mr A Tis]

Jet 2 now also operating Prague to Leeds & Prague to Manchester by road/ferry.
Good effort !!

[mmeteesside]

Looks like they've hired some A310's from White in Portugal to fly Lanzarote/Tenerife to Barcelona then presumably onwards by road... well done Jet2!

[Facelookbovvered]

They are rather more exposed than the likes of Easyjet, Ryanair & baby, a number of their pax will be with Jet2hollidays.com and as such are classed as "inclusive" ie IT therefore the cost of continuing to keep them in hotels paying for their meals and still having to get them home will be mounting, i suspect that some of the Jet2.com pax will be on these flights as well, all in all a very expensive me thinks!

but well done and a good effort

Ryanair will offer comp: except

(in respect of any ‘Right to Compensation’) we can prove that the cancellation is caused by extraordinary circumstances which could not have been avoided even if all reasonable measures had been taken by Ryanair, including but not limited to political instability, safety and security reasons, weather disruption, labour disputes or failure or delay of air traffic control facilities.


If however you had flown with Ryanair see above!!

[david1994]

UK airspace will be opening tomorrow from 7am for Scotland, Blackpool and also Northern Ireland. Manchester by 9AM and London in afternoon http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:www.pprune.org/get/images/smilies/thumbs.gif

[learjet50]

David 1994

HOLD YOUR BREATH

A lot of people are crossing everthing at the moment in the hope things will be back to normal.

I am not sure looking at the latest charts Weekend Maybe ///

subject to the winds going to S-Westerley But thats another story

[purplehelmet]

i wonder how much this has cost jet2 up to now.
as a lot of people point out on here jet2 arent that busy at the moment,maybe thats a good thing less stranded pax etc.

[DjerbaDevil]

Yes, it was uppermost in my mind that they were not that busy at the moment but looking at last week's flying stats for JET2 from 08-14 April 2010, they clocked up about 500 aircraft movements. That's a big loss of revenue IF they planned the same flight movements during this following week 15-21 April 2010.......

[ls_jet2]

It'll be costing lots that's for certain. Probably not as much as most though as the majority of the fleet aren't leased:ok:.

Quiet winter months were planned, unfortunately this present situation has started at the start of our increase in flying program:{, and once it's cleared you won't be saying Jet2 are not very busy, it'll be fly fly fly.

[luvly jubbly]

It will still cost them plenty to have the aircraft sitting on the ground.

The aircraft may not have expensive leases, but they are not paid for.
They are mortgaged, some against the land held by Fowler Welch Coolchain.

Even Jet2s aircraft need to fly to break even.....

LJ

[Facelookbovvered]

I would hazard a guess at around £1m a day, the bigger problem is forward booking which slumped in the last few days with all airlines.

Very few would be booking any trips for the next few weeks so the cash flow starts to dry up but the money (wages and so on) keeps flowing out.

coaching accross Europe wont be cheap either and they still have to pay someone else to take them over or under the channel.

Every cancelled flight equals a refund so money will be pissing out of the business if this continues into next week they will have to look at stemming these losses, that means wages!! sh1t

[purplehelmet]

good points guys,the long term effects of this could be devarstating for a lot of airlines,flb as you say cash flow from future bookings could be a problem,plus customer confidence wont help,lets hope this is over very soon and the other one dont blow.

[EuroChallenger]

A note on the Jet2 website suggests transport from Tenerife at 12.20 today. A quick glance at TFS airport departures suggests this was a TCX flight at 12.20. Is there a TCX aircraft on Tenerife island, that could do shuttles to Toulouse or Barcelona etc.

Reference to coach travel, it is easy to recuit but painfully slow. For example, Barcelona - Calais - allow 18 hours, Milan - Calais - allow 14 hours and so on.

If I had to rescue straned pax by coach, I think I would use a foreign coach for part and try to meet it somewhere with a British one, or better still, send a British one, rest the two drivers and return.

At least Jet2 seem to be really making efforts to get people moving.

Have the coach departures from Barcelona, Alicante and Murcia arrived at Leeds yet?

[cherrylock]

any one see tim jeans on newsnight last night, he was asked could this send some uk airlines over the edge he replied not as all uk airlines were very well funded rather smug i thought his airline may have billionaire backers but not all are as fortunate

[topper3]

757 departed NCL for SSH this morning to bring stranded pax to mainland Europe

[smudgethecat]

Actually he didnt say all british airlines are going to survive this he said most were very well funded and would ...not all, i can think of one recent start up airline that might not

[MarkBHX]

Can anyone help me as to why Jet2 self handle at certain locations and the thought processes behind the decision to self handle? I'm just looking into the ground handling arrangements of UK airlines and Jet2 strike me as a little unusual as they have gone down this road rather than agencies at LBA etc.

Many thanks

Mark

[mmeteesside]

The Tenerife flight was the White A310 as EXS9011 to Barcelona.

[purplehelmet]

looks like things are starting to improve slowly,2x757s landed at man,also just seen on casper live exs0951p 737 jet2 37150ft heading south past chester:ok:

[EuroChallenger]

LR, LZ and AD were all airborne a couple of hours ago. No idea where they have gone though.

[Beeflightyear]

Yes Jet2 have 3 planes on their way to Faro (1) and Malaga (2) with the Faro plane hopefully landing back at Edinburgh with a Malaga and the other going to Newcastle.

[david1994]

LR, LZ and AD were all airborne a couple of hours ago. No idea where they have gone though

LZ is currently holding over Portugal

Flight Number : EXS953P
Company : Jet2.com
ICAO Hex Code : 400A32
Reg Code : G-CELZ
Model : Boeing - B737-377/F

LR is currently on aproach to Malaga
Flight Number : EXS955P
Company : Jet2.com
ICAO Hex Code : 400A5F
Reg Code : G-CELR
Model : Boeing - B737-330 (QC)

LA is currently on aproach to Malaga

Flight Number : EXS0951P
Company : Jet2.com
ICAO Hex Code : 400A33
Reg Code : G-CELA
Model : Boeing - B733

[CKT789]

Dart Group PLC: Trading Statement | Company Announcements | Investegate (http://www.investegate.co.uk/Article.aspx?id=201004201250084759K)

Trading update from Dart Group. Impact on profit from volcano of £2.8m, daily impact of £0.35m.

[EuroChallenger]

The trading statement revealing the costs associated with the volcano is not the best of news, but not as bad as it may have been. The shares took a knock on Monday and Tuesday.

Good to see the first three flights have gone from Leeds already, whilst Ryanair are still cancelled.

I suspect most of the outward flights will have carried people who were prebooked on previous flights, but hopefully they will pick up a few extras.

[lagerlout]

On what basis is the trading statement not good news.??

Performance in line with market expectations...
Foward bookings ahead of expectations and probably a lower impact from the volcano than most had predicted.

This combined with contininued expansion of Fowler-Welch hardly has the alarm bells ringing does it?

[EuroChallenger]

I meant it is not good news in regard to the costs incurred by the volcano. The stock market is clearly reassured though, as despite falls on Monday and Tuesday, the shares are up 10% so far today.

One difficulty facing all airlines in the coming days will be exactly how many people will want to fly? Look at Geneva or Nice as an example. I would guess that most pax stuck there will already have legged it!

Good to see those flights already gone from Leeds today, showing how quickly plans can be put into action.

[lagerlout]

fair enough!

[Facelookbovvered]

Mixed bag really, on the one hand lots of positive feedback for getting aircraft into the air, but many pax will have made their own plans a few aircraft will be less than full i suspect, although they may be able to pick up additional revenue from people who see Jet2 flights on the departure boards at AGP and try and buy seats?

Whether the safety case is there or not i am not sure? if the they do a borescope check this weekend and find glass residue in the engines, then its game over because the fleet will be grounded until all engines have been checked and if needed replaced, well do the maths?

[cherrylock]

Are jet 2 flying today? i was spotting at man early today and while tommy cooks monarch and the rest were busy the jet 2 planes were just sat there with big red sheets over their engines

[ericlday]

Cherrylock - up to date details of Jet2 flying program is on their website.

[purplehelmet]

cherrylock.
jet2 are flying out of man today,ive seen 7or8 j2 flights in and out,whether or not they are carrying pax or just positioning im not sure.

[DjerbaDevil]

JET2 aircraft movements today 21 April 2010 until 17:41Hrs:

Contacted [UTC]FlightnumberRegistrationOperatorType
21/04/2010 17:41LS8209G-LSAHJet2.comB752
21/04/2010 17:41LS8777G-CELJJet2.comB73321/04/2010 16:17LS8060G-t2.comB733
21/04/2010 16:14LS803PG-GDFAJet2.comB733
21/04/2010 16:13LS8064G-CELZJet2.comB733
21/04/2010 14:37LS8062G-CELFJet2.comB733
21/04/2010 14:30LS8015G-CELUJet2.comB733
21/04/2010 14:30LS8037G-CELKJet2.comB733
21/04/2010 13:54LS8043G-CELEJet2.comB733
21/04/2010 13:49LS004VG-CELOJet2.comB733
21/04/2010 13:41LS8071G-LSADJet2.comB752
21/04/2010 13:21LS55PMG-CELAJet2.comB733
21/04/2010 12:55LS8011G-CGETJet2.comB733
21/04/2010 12:46LS8008G-LSAIJet2.comB752
21/04/2010 12:39LS8066G-CELRJet2.comB733
21/04/2010 12:04LS8047G-LSABJet2.comB752
21/04/2010 11:55LS8006G-LSAJJet2.comB752
21/04/2010 11:07LS51AGG-CELSJet2.comB733
21/04/2010 11:07LS8028G-LSAHJet2.comB752
21/04/2010 11:06LS8024G-LSAGJet2.comB752
21/04/2010 10:44LS9054G-CELZJet2.comB733
21/04/2010 10:18LS8063G-CELZJet2.comB733
21/04/2010 10:02LS8059G-CELXJet2.comB73321/04/2010 9:16LS953PG-21/04/2010 9:03LS8014G-CELUJet2.comB733
21/04/2010 8:25LS8054G-CELAJet2.comB733
21/04/2010 8:10LS9030G-LSADJet2.comB752
21/04/2010 7:45LS8005G-LSAJJet2.comB752
21/04/2010 7:05LS8061G-CELFJet2.comB733
21/04/2010 7:01LS8027G-LSAHJet2.comB752
21/04/2010 6:55LS8039G-CELIJet2.comB733
21/04/2010 6:46LS0892G-LSAGJet2.comB752
21/04/2010 6:44LS8067G-LSACJet2.comB752
21/04/2010 6:33LS8013G-CELUJet2.comB733
21/04/2010 6:29LS8033G-CELGJet2.comB733
21/04/2010 6:29LS8065G-CELRJet2.comB733
21/04/2010 6:25LS8041G-CELCJet2.comB733
21/04/2010 6:24LS8009G-CELHJet2.comB733
21/04/2010 6:09LS8007G-LSAIJet2.comB752
21/04/2010 5:31LS9051G-CELAJet2.comB73321/04/2010 5:31LS9051G-21/04/2010 5:31LS8053G-CELAJet2.comB733
21/04/2010 4:28LS0951PG-CELAJet2.comB733

[ls_jet2]

Are jet 2 flying today? i was spotting at man early today and while tommy cooks monarch and the rest were busy the jet 2 planes were just sat there with big red sheets over their engines

All flying:ok::ok:, I can only assume you were there far too early, they started departing at about 7:30ish.

[LPFR]

Was at the airport today and heard nothing but praise to Jet2. Many passengers from Ryanair, easyJet, Monarch and Aer Lingus booked the special flights Jet2 operated today. Ryanair didn't really gave a choice and Monarch gave no informations whatsoever (Pax said). At least Jet2 did something and all flights left full back to the UK. Well done.

[Jet2krazey]

I carried Monarch and Ryanair pax today back from ALC to LBA, some monarch and Ryanair pax were travelling back down to london after the flight! Even though they hadnt even heard of Jet2 they were very impressed with us! and said if Jet2 were down south they would never fly monarch or Ryanair again, they were disgusted at the lack of flights and information from both Ryanair and Monarch! and had nothing but praise for Jet2. Well done everyone at Jet2! Very GDF :ok: :)

[apaul]

Jet2 and Jet2holidays are not getting such good publicity on BBC North East. Depicted as telling holidaymakers we'll leave you in Egypt for a couple of weeks unless you sign sign away your claim for recompense. A stupid move which would not hold up in court anyway.

[LowFareFinder]

It's a shame they treat their staff like sh!t, hey Krazey!

The only reason why Jet2 laid on the buses and charters was that PM was freaking out at the costs of housing the 10000 people left stranded. To say it was because of GDF is like saying a dose of syphilis is is better than having Gonorrhea.

[Facelookbovvered]

Agreed on that, i wonder how much risk assement was done prior to launching through the EPZ? it might bite them on the bum yet in the engine shop

[Random Flyer]

Jet2 and Jet2holidays are not getting such good publicity on BBC North East. Depicted as telling holidaymakers we'll leave you in Egypt for a couple of weeks unless you sign sign away your claim for recompense. A stupid move which would not hold up in court anyway.


Hi,

Do you have a link to this? I have tried googling for it but I cant find anything. I'm interested in reading more about this.


Thanks.

[BigT2207]

here is a link

BBC News - Delays ending at Leeds Bradford Airport after ban (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/west_yorkshire/8637145.stm)

[smudgethecat]

I heard the reports on the radio today jet 2 were getting a lot of flak over it however what the true story is remains to be seen i have a great mistrust of the news media generally:hmm:

[jet2impress]

Seems you just can't do right for doing wrong. One minute Jet2 are saving the world, next they are the scum of the earth! You just can't win. Next time, they will just leave passengers to find their own way. We still don't know what would happen if you actual sent a claim in. If you advertise that you are going to compensate people, it would open the flood dates to all sorts of claims. :rolleyes:

[cherrylock]

Dont take it to heart im sure everyones done their best at JET2:ok:

[gavthespotter]

Makes me sick TBH jet 2 are getting slagged off left right and centre in the press yet other airlines who havent done nearly as much are being praised from the heavens

[commit aviation]

A little OTT Gav - they got a good run of press coverage for launching the rescue flights so promptly on Thursday.
They are also getting some less flattering reviews as they appear to be reluctant to comply with the EC rules over compensation.
The law was not designed for these situations and it seems harsh that all the airlines will take a spanking on this but I have no doubt they will stick in a large bill to the government in due course!
Like MOL I think J2 will review their position & cough up in due course.
The next big row will be about what is considered a "reasonable" expense.

This one has a way to go yet - for all parties involved.

[al446]

but I have no doubt they will stick in a large bill to the government in due course!

Why would they do that? They are a commercial operation so why ask Johnny Taxpayer to shell out?

[HXdave]

why not ask the taxpayer? after all, when there was foot n mouth, the farmers asked for help from the government (aka the taxpayer). when the banking crisis came to a head, who was it that bailed them out? Correct, the government (aka the taxpayer). and with regards to the bank crisis, thta was their OWN DOING! at least with the airlines, this was FORCED upon them (ie, they could not fly, rather than chose not to fly!)

[commit aviation]

All the safety vs commercial debates are taking place on other threads so I won't revisit the arguments here however I think most airlines blame the govt / authorities for the airspace closures dragging on for so long. Many question whether it should have been closed at all.
For these reasons (whether reasoanble or not) I am certain the airlines (maybe airports too?) will be going cap in hand to the government / taxpayer to cover the extraordinary losses.
Not saying its right - just how its shaping up.

[TSR2]

at least with the airlines, this was FORCED upon them (ie, they could not fly, rather than chose not to fly!)

Is it not therefore a reasonable argument that every airline should have an insurance policy covering this eventuality.

[flybar]

Jet2 operating repatriation flights for both TOM and TCX to LBA today.

[Kavs8]

Any1 hear of a Cork-LBA route?

[wouldhave]

I have maintained a silence on the Ash debate so far but some comments on here have prompted me to finally comment.

Will Jet 2 pay me for the lost wages I suffered when I had to take time out of work to drive to France to collect my parents after Jet 2 had abandoned them in Lanzarote or the ferry ticket or the petrol?

The office in ACE was only open for a couple of hours from 11am every day and the same people returned to the airport every day to queue for more information only to find there was none. There was no financial help offered and no information provided on EU261 regulations. They were left with no other option but to try and get a flight to the spanish mainland then try to hire a car and make their way north towards the channel ports - I finally met them in Paris.

I recommended Jet 2 to my parents as I had flown them before and had great experiences. I appreciate this was a difficult situation for all airlines but dont blind yourself by loyalty towards Jet 2. Very few airlines have come out of this with their reputation intact and Jet 2 certainly is not one of them!

[EXS258]

Wouldhave,

I really do agree with you on that one. Jet2 are just one on a long list of airlines who have been totally overwhelmed by the sheer number of passengers all over Europe who were stranded in very difficult circumstances. but from what I've seen they have been operating a lot of repatriation flights pretty much since the green light was given to re-open airspace, not just for themselves but on behalf of other airlines too.

[TSR2]

Will Jet 2 pay me for the lost wages I suffered when I had to take time out of work to drive to France to collect my parents after Jet 2 had abandoned them in Lanzarote or the ferry ticket or the petrol?

I cannot think of a reason why they should bearing in mind you were not a passenger.


They were left with no other option but to try and get a flight to the spanish mainland then try to hire a car and make their way north towards the channel ports - I finally met them in Paris.

It seems your parents were quite capable of making their own way home.

[No RYR for me]

Will Jet 2 pay me for the lost wages I suffered when I had to take time out of work to drive to France to collect my parents after Jet 2 had abandoned them in Lanzarote or the ferry ticket or the petrol?

The office in ACE was only open for a couple of hours from 11am every day and the same people returned to the airport every day to queue for more information only to find there was none. There was no financial help offered and no information provided on EU261 regulations. They were left with no other option but to try and get a flight to the spanish mainland then try to hire a car and make their way north towards the channel ports - I finally met them in Paris.

:mad: Totaly speechless.... What planet are you living on???????? :yuk:

[compton3bravo]

I fail to understand Wouldhave have your parents ever thought of doing things themselves without some ´´nanny´´ having to hold their hands or do things for them. This is typical of the UK today - cannot do anything or think for themselves. Get on with it. If I was Jet2 I would not pay anything towards your expenses. I can understand your concern for your parents but come on get real - life is not fair things do go wrong.

[gavthespotter]

Wouldhave you really are a complete and utter throbber, get into the real world:mad:

[wouldhave]

All of you have completely missed the irony in my point (no real surprise).

I was not expecting any recompense to go and collect my parents from France - this was my choice.

Also I think personal attacks on my parents are completely out of order but why should I be surprised having seen some of the mentality on here. Compton3bravo - you should perhaps realise that not everyone has the knowledge or indeed capabilities (my parents are getting on in years now) to to do everything or think of everything for themselves. They had managed to drive from Asturias to Paris and if you had actually watched all media channels including PPrune you would have seen and heard that bookings were not being accepted for foot passengers on ferries (only car bookings) but indeed there were up to 9 hour waits at many channel ports. As usual though the media only reports what it wants to - I drove through it - I saw it with my own eyes! Also the car hire company would only let them drop off at Paris - with both the spanish and french trains on strike were they supposed to walk to Calais?

My point was that some people on here are completely blinded by their loyalty to Jet 2.

What I was trying to point out is that the lack of support and information given to my parents was completely unacceptable like MOST airlines during this disaster and that the experience of my family unfortunately was with Jet 2.

Irrespective of whichever airline regulations state that EU261 information MUST be provided to passengers - they didnt - end of story.

[DADDY-OH!]

Wouldhave

A lot of people are grateful to Jet2.com for getting them home- THAT'S MY POINT!

[flybar]

We appreciate some of our Jet2.com customers may have unfortunately incurred additional expense due to this extraordinary situation, which was entirely outside of our control. Jet2.com will consider further options for passenger claims as the situation becomes clearer over the coming weeks.


Contrary to some posts on here Jet2 have not refused to pay anybody reasonable expenses.
They are obviously waiting for guidance from the EU on whether EU261 applies, in full, to this situation and if so whether funding is to be forthcoming as happened in the USA after 9/11

And don't forget that Article 7, which covers compensation, has a get out clause:-


An operating air carrier shall not be obliged to pay compensation in accordance with Article 7, if it can prove that the cancellation is caused by extraordinary circumstances which could not have been avoided even if all reasonable measures had been taken.

[stansdead]

I'm not knocking you for your thoughts at all.

But, assuming that your parents had to pay for a flight to Spain and then a hire car....

....would it not have been easier to put their feet up, stay in ACE for an extra week or three and get repatriated in due course? It sounds like they can afford an extra few nights in a hotel to me.

If your folks are getting on in years, I assume they are retired. Hence time should not have been a concern. A phone call a day to check in with them would have been a lot less hassle!!

Glad you got them home safely nevertheless.:)

[Mr @ Spotty M]

My understanding is that the airlines do not have to pay compensation as pointed out by flybar.
However it seems that they will have to pay for food and accommodation.
My guess will be that this is all going to end up in the courts, in that if they give you notice that your flight is cancelled, so you do not come to the airport and that means no money will be due to you from the airline.
This in my opinion is fair, in that you will have to make a claim on your travel insurance policy.

[No RYR for me]

What I was trying to point out is that the lack of support and information given to my parents was completely unacceptable like MOST airlines during this disaster and that the experience of my family unfortunately was with Jet 2.

When people complain about the nanny state this is a great example... We get a situation that nobody in the industry is geared up for because we never had an event like this in Europe before and then people complain like there is no tomorrow....

If this happens again in a year or two and the authorities their procedures regarding ash are still out of date and the airlines have no updated SOP for recoveries when ALL flights halt then you might have a tiny reason to complain. Until then accept that your parents are alive, witnessed something amazing and got some extra days holidays! :rolleyes:

[INKJET]

Wouldhave, i wouldn't stress to much about some post on this thread, Daddy-oh and co are long standing members of the Jet2 fan club, but being grateful for a commercial company fulfilling its contractual obligations!!!!!!

For many (even pilots!!) travel by air is a stressful and often unpleasant experience at the best of times and having an unplanned drive on the wrong side of the road half way accross Europe is not what a holiday is about, i applaud you for your efforts in helping your folks.

Jet2 have no obligation to pay compensation under the regulations however they are obliged to cough up for your expenses incurred whilst awaiting your flight home ie hotel and food, but not hire cars.

I think the regulations are correct in the support to stranded passengers, however the frame work should spell out how it is to be funded? we could face this again and i doubt that all airline could survive a month long shutdown.

It should be remembered that for a good number of people(Jet2 customers) are not on pilot type incomes with easy access to additional credit, my folks don't even have any credit cards! so other than the Euro's they take with them that all they have got! and that's why i won't let them use pure Loco carriers such as Jet2 or Easy, Thomas Cook and co have come out of this rather well, and Ho Daddy-ho don't go on about TC using Jet2 to get paxs home, TC just don't have the airlift capacity on what are 99% full flights to get everyone back, Jet2 have parked aircraft so its a win win

[DADDY-OH!]

InkJet.

There's nothing 'contractual' about my remarks, believe me!!!

But when BA tell their stranded passengers they only have 3 days in a hotel paid for by BA, after that they are on their own, when MON tell stranded Royal Navy veterans on a visit to Gib' you can stay in your hotel at your expense AND you'll have to wait over a week for a flight home, when RyanAir TEXT their customers with a simple message saying 'FLIGHT CANCELLED' then I would call that THAT abysmal Customer Service.

After buying a ticket & therefore having a 'Contract' of carriage with an airline I expect them to get me from where I am to where I want to go or incur & re-imburse any costs if they cannot fulfill their obligation.
Those 3 examples are FACTS because they happened to a neighbour who got stuck in Moscow & a friend trying to get back from Dubai, both with BA. An elderly relative stuck in Gibraltar & a colleague who got shafted by RYR & incurred £2600 & took 4 days to get home with his family.

But in extreme circumstances, such as a volcanic eruption, I would expect a carrier to give me an option of a full refund or free re-booking- Jet2 did that, I know because I had to re-book my Dad's flights. A friend's wife & her party going away for a 40th birthday opted for the full refund. Simples.

I would expect an attempt to re-patriate stranded travellers- Jet2 were the first or among the first to organise coaches & chartered aircraft to Spanish & French ports. For those stuck further afield in Cyprus & Egypt, Jet2 had aircraft ready to fly to the Eastern Med' with a plan to shuttle them to Prague then get them back to the UK by train and/or coach but UK & European Airspace re-opened.

Some pax from the South & South Eastern England repatriated by Jet2 had never even heard of Jet2 & were suprised that they were a UK operator. Quite a few were even complimentary & suggested Jet2 should start services from Southern UK airfields.

Jet2.com didn't have any airframes & crews stuck overseas incurring large costs such as BA, Thomson, Virgin & the like. It will be interesting to see how Governments & airlines alike, react should the top come off the mountain again......as it may claim a few scalps but I hope not.

Jet2's efforts, Europewide, for their pax & customers were as good as some & better than most when you consider how some Spanish, Greek & Italian citizens faired. Jet2 are a Lo-Cost operator much smaller than EZY & RYR & have much smaller financial resources than their 2 bigger rivals, but in terms of Customer Care, Jet2 easily punch above their weight.

Whether it was a family travelling to or from holiday, a business person unable to a clinch deal, a crew member trying to get back to friends & family or an airline that really didn't need a week like that, everybody who was affected suffered inconvenience. Let's just see what lessons can be learnt from this & adapt & amend contingencies & planning. If you suffered, then I sympathise but you weren't the only one & probably not affected any worse than anybody else. So file your claims, call a solicitor & do what you feel is right but ask yourself, could this company REALLY do any more than they did or were allowed to do with the imposed restrictions & demands placed upon their staff & systems?

Good luck.
:ok:

[lexoncd]

make no mistake the airlines are now being forced to pay reasonable expenses... Now here's the interesting bit... define reasonable.... and that is where i am sure we will see some interesting claims and no doubt some will ned up going to court. I am sure every airline will pay up before they appear in court...why/ because they won't take a chance on a definition of reasonable that goes against them.... Precedent is what tour operators have feared for some time where the package tour regulations define reasonable and so far no one dares take a case all the way...

There will be some muppets who will try and make false receipts and claim for all kinds of things and they should be challenged but also spare a thought for those on a limited budget who have incurred costs they never dreamt of. Abandon them to their fate and the industry will suffer....

[wawkrk]

Abandon them to their fate and the industry will suffer....

The industry has already suffered and some airlines may be pushed over the top if they have not made enough money to survive next Winter.
If they increase prices they get accused of profiteering even if they are 600million in debt.It's a sad situation for everybody concerned.

[INKJET]

Indded i had friends stuck in the US who were told the same thing by BA they said hang on a minute thats not what the regs say and they said ok but only reasonable expenses, but when they checked out BA picked up the tab for the lot!! alcohol movies in the room spa treatment you name it, i guess when it comes down to it all the checking and disputes its not worth it just pick up the tab?

I stand by what i said the reg are right from a customer point of view, just nobody ever asked who was going to pay?, i think a pound on every ticket would answer that question, small beer for ryanair (£60m) and i would make it on every seat sold, not like it is with APD.

[DADDY-OH!]

INKJET

Would be even better is if the £1 could come from the APD & be used for a 'Repatriation' fund but it's a great idea.

My mate decided to go back to his brother's villa in Dubai after his 3 nights at the Fairmount & my neighbour came back overland by train via Berlin.

Grandma's brother comes home tomorrow from Gib' and my colleague who paid £2600 for the priviledge of flying with our opposition said next time he'll use our Staff Travel.

This volcano blowing it's top is a bit like catching the clap- you hope it's not going to happen but you know it probably will!
:ok:

[JetRob]

Sorry to break of the subject..

But can anyone tell me if Jet2 are getting any 767's or not?

I mean they have had the chance too but the deal once again fell threw.

767's would favour the Jet2 routes in the busy summer period and by the looks of things they won't be getting any anytime soon..

Also, what type of 767 will they be after? -300? or -400? Or would they just get any of them that they can possibly get?

[DADDY-OH!]

JetRob

The decision to get B767's is a bit more in depth than "see what they can get".

The original B767 was a -300ER version but the 'variant specification' meant it was quite a rare machine as only 8 were ever in service. I believe for commercial reasons the Board wanted to get "a pair of sisterships" for maintenance savings.

As for which version Jet2 would end up with I think it would be the -300ER because the -200 in Hi-Density config. would struggle to get across the Atlantic if Jet 2 wanted to cram in as many pax above & as much freight below. I don't think they'd go for the -400 as it isn't a type on the UK register. If Jet2 were to be the 1st UK operator of the -400, it would incur HUGE costs.

[EC-ILS]

Is there any decent 767s on the market, stupid question perhaps?

[Mr @ Spotty M]

Yes, but the leasing costs are high.

[habs_fan]

suprised jet2 never took the x gsm 767s

[rumair999]

/// suprised jet2 never took the x gsm 767s ? ////

Why ? they were dogs and poor configs which could not have been increased without huge sums of money !!:rolleyes:

[Papa2Charlie]

Jet2's most likely course of action will be to wait for an airline to dispose of a couple of B767's at the same time. This will ensure commonality and also makes the transition much easier. Also, given the age of the B767 it will most likely be in a lessors / financiers interest to sell on the aircraft rather than enter into a ne lease agreement. This would also fit with Jet2 previous history of generally avoiding operating leases and instead going to finance leases or simply mortaging the aircraft.

We've already seen this kind of block purchase with Allegiant picking up a block of the ex Thomson B757's from AerCap.

[adfly]

I though Jet 2 buy there aircraft rather than lease them.

[LPFR]

They do buy their aircraft, but i guess only when the price is right and when they know they'll need them for the long run. 767 doesn't sound like a need right now, so IF they would have one now it wouldn't be bought almost for sure..

[TSR2]

I would imagine there will be plenty of decent B767's available when the B787 delivery programme gets into full swing.

[Frankfurt_Cowboy]

G-LSAD has a sticker on saying "Tinky Winky".

[TSR2]

Well where is Dipsey and Laa-Laa then

[EXS2592]

And what about Noo-Noo eh?? anyone heard from him?

[bobleeds]

That explains why they ditched the 767 plan - they've put a bid in for the Pinky-Ponk which is surplus to requirements in the Night Garden!

[757 Speedbrakes]

They're naming the fleet after the board of Directors......................

[BAladdy]

Apart from G-GDFB which Jet2 will add to the fleet in May, Is there any plans to add more 737 aircraft to the fleet??

[EuroChallenger]

Jet2 getting national TV (BBC1) coverage right now, apparantly conveying Gordon Brown from Edinuburgh to Stansted.

[johnnychips]

Very much so!

[MUFC_fan]

They'll be getting coverage around the world, never mind BBC1!

You wonder why the PM contract is so sort after with BA and VS...

[sam dilly]

Did they put him in with the sacks ?

[757 Speedbrakes]

I'd have off loaded him!!

[wawkrk]

I thought Broons mob were freeloaders.:mad:

[737 Speedbrakes]

I'd have welcomed him :ok:

[Facelookbovvered]

I would have off loaded him, from around 30000ft over Barnsley

[Random Flyer]

Jet2 getting national TV (BBC1) coverage right now, apparantly conveying Gordon Brown from Edinuburgh to Stansted.


The only way you could tell it was a Jet2 aircraft was the distinct red and grey seating. Hardly something the public are going to take note off.

At no point was the name Jet2 mentioned or was there any sign of Jet2 aircraft or markings. The public will probably just presume it was a private jet, not an airline, as there was no clues to suggest otherwise.

Hardly "global converge" for Jet2. :rolleyes:

[Random Flyer]

Heard today Jet2 are looking into the possibility of adding flights to Cape Verde from November. No idea on UK departure point but I would guess Manchester.

[Mr @ Spotty M]

Is that the same rumour you started on the Monarch thread?

[Random Flyer]

Is that the same rumour you started on the Monarch thread?


Yes. Both airlines are looking at the Cape Verde.

[Kavs8]

Both airlines are? :rolleyes:

[Random Flyer]

Both airlines are? :rolleyes:


Thats what I said! Not that hard to understand is it?! :rolleyes:

Both Jet2 and Monarch are looking at adding flights to Cape Verde from the UK from November this year.

Do you understand? :rolleyes:

[Mr @ Spotty M]

My guess is a company has approached both MON & JET2 with a view to operating a charter series.:ok:

[MUFC_fan]

Cape Verde is certainly the new Canaries - Caribbean weather only 3 hours shorter flight and hardly any time difference.

Thomson and RIU are cashing in at the moment - trust me, I've seen it first hand!

[Random Flyer]

dont get your nickers in a twist Random person! http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:www.pprune.org/get/images/smilies/thumbs.gif Understand?http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:www.pprune.org/get/images/smilies/smile.gif


Its not me that's got my knickers in a twist, mainly as I don't wear any. ;)

[Wycombe]

Going back to the overnight transport provided to the man who should no longer be PM

The only way you could tell it was a Jet2 aircraft was the distinct red and grey seating. Hardly something the public are going to take note off.


The coverage I saw on the Beeb (external shots) showed what was very clearly the outside of a Jet2 733 at EDI (and later as he disembarked at STN)

Also interesting to observe that John Simpson seemed to still be talking live on air from his mobile onboard during pushback at EDI :=

[14 loop]

Likewise.....

Sky had their anchor, Kay Burley on a videophone inside the aircraft....Jet2's new slimline seats were very obvious.

Lots of footage of the aircraft taken from a helicopter on the freight apron at EDI, likewise helicopter footage of the aircraft landing at STN - this on the beeb.

Finally at STN, Sky had footage through a chain-link fence where the camera zoomed-in on the aircraft name, Jet2Faro....meaning GB flew down on the recently painted / refitted G-CELO.

[EuroChallenger]

LS272 from ALC to LBA is shown on the LBIA website as coaches arriving at 1700 - any ideas? Dies it mean 1700 tomorrow (coach all the way) or 1700 today, maybe after diverting somewhere?

[lbalad]

Ryanair flights to Ibiza,Alicante,Malaga all cancelled today,what's going on there then?.

[EuroChallenger]

The volcanic ash has closed many Spanish airports - more info on www.bbc.co.uk/news (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news)

[david1994]

It is about to depart ALC wirh a divert to MAN....

LS272

ALICANTEhttp://www.aena.es/img/arrowGrey.gifstopover MANCHESTER

MANCHESTERhttp://www.aena.es/img/arrowGrey.gifLEEDS/BRADFORD


Flight ALICANTE http://www.aena.es/img/arrowGrey.gif MANCHESTER http://www.aena.es/img/arrowGrey.gif LEEDS/BRADFORD Plane 752

[EuroChallenger]

Thanks for the update!

[LBIA]

Jet2 are currently a 757 aircraft short because the baggage handlers in Palma-Majorca, have crashed into (G-LSAA) with some equipment yesterday operating the Leeds LS257/258 services

[757 Speedbrakes]

Are they still self handling in PMI?

Whoops.........................!

[david1994]

Are they still self handling in PMI?

Yes they self handle at PMI :ok:

[lbalad]

Has anybody received a refund for their flights?.Is it the cost of the original flight that is refunded or the special emergency flights laid on by the airline?

Thanks

[jet2impress]

It's the cost of the replacement flight that is refunded as far as I know. It will take some time to refund everyone, but extra staff from other departments have been working full speed to process the refunds. It will take a long time to get everyone refunded I think.

[MUFC_fan]

Fulham fans flying high with a helping hand from Jet2.com (http://www.jet2.com/News.aspx?id=721)

Assuming that there weren't ELEVEN 757s, it was ELEVEN 757 flights...

Even so, I count 6 757s on the ground there in Hamburg where as, according to Jethros, the company only own 10.

Can anybody tell me how the operations department have been able to swing it so that 6 757s can be taken out of schedule (granted, there is still some flexibility before the full summer season begins) and still operate a full scheduled service?! Those men and women sat in that operations department are clearly not human!:}

Unless they have replaced a number of 757 flights with 737s?

[EC-ILS]

And a 7th is out of service aswell as it spent the days flying a charter DUB-LDE-DUB!

[IB4138]

"AA" is now on maintainence at Lasham and new "AK" is also there, but due to depart for painting tomorrow.

[Ste_P]

MUFC Fan

Operations departments don't "swing" aircraft availability.

Commercial departments work with fleet planning to look at what availability they can free up, based on seat sales (weeks/months in advance) and knowledge of potential requirements based on history.

It was infact 6 individual 757s and 5 individual 737s which operated services to HAM. 2 757s were required to return to the Uk to operate services whereas the rest daystopped/nightstopped downroute.

[freightdoggy dog]

Ste P

And there was me thinking it was all done on the back of a fag packet:}..

well I do know a certain person in Commercial who did a F27 quote many years ago on the back of a napkin as we had a curry in Al Karama, DXB:ok:

[DjerbaDevil]

2xB767s for JET2

Rumours have been around since 2007 that JET2 were going to have a couple of B767s. Very recently it was confirmed by JET2 that they had come very close to acquiring two B767s from Brazil but had turned down one of them due to technical reservations with an engine that the owners did not want to underwrite and were compelled to abandon the deal, as both airframes needed to be of the same type.

This was a confirmation that the airline were actively searching for two B767s.


It would appear that the moment has come to post another reasonably well founded news item that JET2 have almost certainly negotiated the acquisition of two B767s as follows:


Man.Num: Model: Registration: Position: Former Airline:
30586 B767-319(ER) G-CEOD Stored at Shannon (SNN) Fly Globespan
29388 B767-319(ER) N381LF Stored at Miami (MIA) Fly Globespan


Also the newly acquired B752 G-LSAK from ATA Airlines that was in Lasham until recently now appears to have been moved to Norwich (NWI). Anyone know why it has been moved to NWI and for what purpose?

[IB4138]

Also the newly acquired B752 G-LSAK from ATA Airlines that was in Lasham until recently now appears to have been moved to Norwich (NWI). Anyone know why it has been moved to NWI and for what purpose?

Painting in Jet2 livery.

[DjerbaDevil]

My memory may be playing tricks on me but I recall there was a post somewhere from someone called 'Lasham???' saying that G-LSAK was in Lasham for a paint job or perhaps they may have said for an 'oil change' and 'checkup'.

[Mr @ Spotty M]

Aircraft do not get painted at Lasham, a/c was on mods and checks prior to enter service with Jet2.

[theloudone]

At least the a/c is getting serviced in this country, not some cheap alternative dicated by the bean counters !

[purplehelmet]

anyone know why its taking so long for "ak" to come into service? its been over 4 months since it came to jet2.

[Lashamcat]

G-LSAK had not been planned into service until mid May. It had been stored at Lasham awaiting a maintenance slot which was scheduled for the beginning of April until the first week of May. The work at Lasham included a heavy maintenance check, interior modifications and winglet installation. This was a significant maintenance input. It has now departed to Norwich for paint and may enter service a little later than planned but if you were aware of all of the circumstances you would realise that its entry to service will be a not too insignificant achievement

[purplehelmet]

lashamcat.
thanks for the quick reply and info.
im not aware of all the circumstances, but would i be correct in thinking that there was more work to be done on it than originally thought?

[Lashamcat]

I would not say more work than originally planned, just that as the aircraft was "spare" some parts had been used for other aircraft on check earlier in the Spring and the Volcanic Ash closures significantly affected the supply chain of spare parts required during the maintenance check. This was not unique to Jet2 aircraft on maintenance.

[purplehelmet]

lashamcat thanks again for your info:ok:
cheers ph.

[DjerbaDevil]

Yes thanks for the info on G-LSAK. I noticed it was ferried to Lasham sometime back on 20/21 JAN 2010. With the major overhaul and it's relatively young age of 13.5 years old plus winglets, it should look a winner. Anyone know where it may be based? If it's close enough, may take a trip to see it....

[wawkrk]

I am wondering whether it is not better just to dump stranded passengers like Ryanair do and cancel the flights or to be like Jet2 who do their best to help.
Our flight back to LBA from Murcia on Sunday was delayed by the ash cloud.
Jet2 attempted to get a flight down from NCL with LBA pax taken there by coach. I dont know the whole story but Murcia closes at 11 pm so the plan was to take us to Alicante. In the meantime further ash cloud problems occured so we were taken to the Hotel Gran Bali in Benidorm. Manchester pax were also taken there plus another LBA flight and we were told Alicante was closed and we would be advised next day at 10.30am.
One group of moaners wanted to go only to Alicante airport, for what I dont know. Maybe they thought they could demand that it be opened.
There were many others moaners including one low life prat going on about having 2 "f*****g suitcases full of mucky washing.
If I was Ian Doubtfire I would be pretty pissed off with these morons.
I know they probably must help Jet2 Holiday pax but I reckon most were flight only.

[UPS@EMA]

Jet2 are about to announce expansion for 5 new routes from EMA after the 1st flight left this morning. They will start May 2011 and a second aircraft will be based.

Regards

[DjerbaDevil]

wawkrk:

It was good to see JET2 busing LBA passenegrs to NCL and putting on extra flights to their destinations due to the ash cloud the other day. Shows that they have great flexibility and excellent organisation, which is to the customers' benefit.

Taking all the passengers, IT and flight only, to accommodation in Benidorm or to any other place for that matter, is a good move. Airlines have to pay 'reasonable' expenses to seat only passengers if the flight is cancelled due to the 'ash' any way. As JET2 provided the transport and food and hotel accommodation, there are no expenses to pay out. The cost is kept to a minimum with contract rates at hotels and transport by coach is cheaper than individual taxis. Furthermore the passengers are kept together so that communication and information is made simple. Control of the passengers also means efficient departure to the airport and quick flight departure.

And to all the above you can add customer satisfaction........Ok OK for most anyway......but in any case it was also advantageous to JET2.

[wawkrk]

DjerbaDevil

I agree, it was a pretty smart and well planned move by Jet2.
They already use the 750 room Gran Bali and an extra 500 pax only take up another 250 rooms at a time when many hotels are struggling with low occupancy.

[DjerbaDevil]

UPS@EMA:

"The 757’s historic departure to Paphos, signalled yet further investment into the region by the airline, who went on to announce five new direct routes out of the airport, which will be serviced by a second aircraft for the base."

The second aircraft mentioned is for summer 2011 to service the extra 5 destinations. Does that mean another B757? And if so, are they planning to get more B757's to add to the fleet, as they seem fully committed at the moment? Or have they foreseen acquiring other Boeing types/models that would free B757's committed to other bases?

Be it as it may, JET2 expanding is good news all round.

DD

[OliWW]

It should be another B752 at EMA along with the B752 which is already there for S11, but it could change depending on booking figures etc... I'd also expect more routes to be announced, there isnt a full timetable there yet... so anything could happen, there might even be a B752 and B733 put there extra for S11... its too early to know

[DjerbaDevil]

OliWW:
Thanks for that. Just the right size to be flexible and covering a manageable area of bases to get the most out of their fleet. More routes needed out of EMA, as you say, but I expect that other bases will see interesting growth for 2011 as well. The logic for ALC, FAO and PMI is obvious for EMA but these destinations are also due at other bases with the addition of AGP. Never mind the competition if the flying days are at a premium and popular. Plus a helpful contribution from the IT side of the business makes for a profitable overall operation.

[freightdoggy dog]

DD...Do a dummy booking upto the seat selection and it is currently a B757, but as Oli points out...it can change subject to load factor.

[conti onepass]

whens manchester 2011 on sale

[jet2impress]

EMA-PMI on a tuesday seems to indicate a 733. Maybe this could be a W pattern or wonder if a 733 is also to be added with maybe more routes?

[globetrotter79]

Tuesday Summer 11 EMA-Palma is an inside W-pattern operating PMI-EMA-PMI

[OliWW]

Not sure if it appears on their timetable, not had a look at it, but aparantly 1 of the 3 ALC's will also be a W pattern with a B733

[DjerbaDevil]

No "W" pattern for any of the ALC's at the moment, as all deps are at 07.00H and returns show direct out and back...

[s_insania]

Does anybody know which bases Jet2 are operating charter flights from this summer, with flight numbers usually being 4 numbers e.g. 2026/7.
Grateful for any information

Regards,
Sam

[TSR2]

Sam,

Jet2 have a number of charter flights from Manchester with 4 digit flight numbers. These are pure charter flights as opposed to their low-cost scheduled flights which all appear to be 3 digit.

Sorry cannot help with other airports.

[Robert1992]

They are operating LS2011 (Lourdes) and LS2042 (Reus) from EDI this summer. Not sure on other airports though.

[david1994]

They are operating LS2026 to Reus and LS2027 from Reus, to and from BFS (Belfast Intl) this summer for Thomas Cook on Tuesdays using a B737-300QC.

[scamptonboy]

Fot those who may be interested Jet2's latest 757 "AK" is currently at LBA.

It arrived from Norwich mid evening on Sunday 23rd and is sporting all white scheme with red tail and engine cowels and of course winglets.

Cheers

Scampi

[ryansf]

Why are some of Jet2's aircraft in white? Are they temporary? Or is it just cheaper? I see that there are at least 5 or 6 in the white livery, including the 3 recent 737s.

[purplehelmet]

could be that its going out on lease at the end of the summer season, (AD) had a recent paint job and was painted white for this reason apparently.

[Setel Up]

Driving past the UK's highest airport today, it looked like the taxying 'AA has been sponsored by a leading sports kit manufacturer. The phrase 'Nike Air' springs to mind!

Setel Up

[s_insania]

Cheers guys, interesting to see Lourdes being served, is this throughout the summer? TSR2, do you happen to know charter destinations that are served from MAN?

[LPFR]

Setel Up, just titles?!

Jet2 could really do a special livery on one of the aircrafts, or maybe even update their livery. Could still be silver and red to match the new seats, but something different for a change would be nice.

Is G-LSAK leased or owned? If owned why white? No time to paint the grey from January til now? Still I'm very curious to look at her, the only white 757 with winglets.

[DjerbaDevil]

G-LSAD also appears to be painted white....

[OliWW]

G-LSAK...the only white 757 with winglets.

G-LSAD also appears to be painted white....

G-LSAD doesn't have winglets :ok:

[HXdave]

i presume painted white will make the aircraft more likely to be put on 'special duties', such as charters, lease work, strike cover (for BA etc............), technical replacements for other airlines etc........

or, i could be totally totally wrong..............

[purplehelmet]

HXdave.
i think you're more or less on the money:ok:
i was told a while back that (AD) was kept in a basic livery as it cheaper to keep her white and cover up or remove the j2 logo's as she is due to be leased out over winter. i presume its the same with (AK).
still not keen on its nickname though (the flying tampon):yuk:

[scamptonboy]

Setel Up wrote

Driving past the UK's highest airport today, it looked like the taxying 'AA has been sponsored by a leading sports kit manufacturer. The phrase 'Nike Air' springs to mind!




And heres a PIC (http://www.skyliner-aviation.de/viewphoto.main?LC=nav2&picid=6480) with the sporting Ticks you mention.

Scamps

[B-727]

Without risking to sound like turning this into a spotters thread (we have been warned by Mods), AD and AK have been painted white in order to operate charters..... apprently :rolleyes:

Both are owned by Dart Group, in fact all 757's are with exception of AJ.

G-LSAK built in 1996 means a MTOW of 115 Tonnes as opposed to 113....

[airnoc]

Just a though. Any chance that jet2 would try routes from Ire west Knock to U.S.A? Seem that they were very successful before with flyglobespan

[fl dutchman]

According to a Jet2 Holidays leaflet "Holiday Deals 2010/2011", they are doing 3 night breaks to New York with departures from NCL and LBA on Dec 2nd and Dec 9th 2010. The leaflet is being used for door drops in various areas.

[righthandrule]

AK is ETOPS certified as well as AB, looks like they could be popping over the pond fairly soon.

[Jet2krazey]

AE and AC are ETOPS also, all the winglet aircrafts. :)

Picture of G-LSAK Norwich Airport G-REDF & others (http://forums.airshows.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=11&p=229875)

This website also shows 2x ex Flyglobespan 767-319ERs on the fleet list, G-CEOD and G-CDPT, both built in 2000. is this true or just speculation.

CH-Aviation - Airline News, Fleet Lists & More (http://www.ch-aviation.ch/aircraft.php?search=set&airline=JE2&al_op=1)

[DjerbaDevil]

See posting 3419, 16 May 2010........and thanks for the G-LSAK photo....

Some curious facts about the two B767-319(ER)'s that were part of the FlyGlobespan fleet namely G-CDPT and G-CEOD.

The two airframes mentioned above were leased by FlyGlobespan in 2006 and 2007 respectively from International Lease Finance Corporation (ILFC). Then on 19 October 2009 both airframes were flown from Glasgow to Jeddah and they were leased from FlyGlobespan by NAS AIR, a loco based in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia. This leasing is still valid today according to updated stats (18MAY2010). According to the NAS AIR web site and other sources, their own fleet is less than two years old and comprises of A320's and Embraer ERJ-190AR's and have a destination area from Jeddah that is coverered adequately by their actual fleet without the need of two B763's. Also there is no evidence that they ever used the B763 airframes in question and flew them almost immediately after their arrival in Jeddah to Shannon and Miami to be stored. It may be worth mentioning that in October 2009, FlyGlobespan were having serious problems with E-Clear, their credit card clearance agency, and there were claims that an amount close to 35 million pounds was owed to FlyGlobespan. It was at the time becoming obvious that survival of the airline was in doubt, so the discreet departure of these two B763's probably marked the beginning of the end.

Storing one airframe in Ireland and another in Miami, USA, would have been a commercial decision to have the aircraft available for any interested European or American client.

According to the UK CAA one of the airframes belongs to ILFC but not the other, although both their owners have Dublin adresses.

If it is correct that ILFC own the two airframes in question, then why would they allow them to be leased by FlyGlobespan to Nas AIR at such a precarious financial moment in FlyGlobespan's history? Also why would Nas AIR lease the airframes if they had no intention of using them and flew them from Jeddah to Shannon and Miami to be stored? Does this mean that JET2 are negotiating the deal with Nas Air or with ILFC?

Perhaps behind the scenes the airframes are owned by Saudi Arabian investors who are being represented by the International Lease Finance Corporation (ILFC). This would explain the "leasing" deal by a Saudi Arabian airline and flying the aircraft to Jeddah to make it look like a normal low season or winter reduction of carrying capacity, albeit during a difficult financial period for FlyGlobespan.

[SASfox]

Hurghada is on the drop down menu on the website now with departures from Manchester. No times or dates loaded in yet.

[jet2impress]

It's a new route for MAN for next summer.

[Check Mags On]

You are mile off about the GSM 767's.

The aircraft are owned by ILFC.
They were not leased to NAS.
They were operated on a ACMI (Aircraft Crew Maintenance Insurance) contract.
This means that for a cost agreed by the two parties GSM would provide an insured a/c with crew and maintenance to NAS Air.
NAS Air would then in turn have to pay for everything else like fuel and airways costs, plus lots more.
They were out in Jeddah doing the Haj flights. With the crews (GSM's own crew) being based in Delhi.
It would require the owners permission to sub-lease an aircraft to someone else, but an ACMI contract does not, as it is still operated by GSM and their crews.
So NAS have nothing to do with the aircraft in question.

When GSM went under in December NAS were left in the limbo as they had a contract for airframes with an airline that no longer existed.
Maybe because of this they were non to kind to the GSM crew stranded in Jeddah. It was a very fraught few days for the staff out there as NAS were refusing to repatriate them and had their passports, as per Saudi law.
The crews eventually, after cash was paid by the administrators, got to Delhi, from there Virgin flew them back for next to nothing.
On arriving home in the UK they had no job all this the week before xmas.
At least I was at home when the company went under.

Why they are on the Jet2 list of a/c is beyond me, but your last two paragraphs are utter and complete b******s.

[Cloud1]

Anyone know why so many LS flights were delayed today, looking specifically at MAN really. One of the FAO-MAN was showing on Bournemouth Airports website at one point although have not checked it since, was expected at about 2115?

[BAladdy]

BA are once again leasing a LS aircraft to operate services ex LHR during the strike.

BA will lease a LS 737 from 04th June - 10th June. It will operate:

04th June Only

Flight No: BA496/BA497/BA704/BA705
Route:LHR/AGP/LHR/VIE/LHR

05th June - 10th June

Flight No: BA902/BA903/BA868/BA869
Route: LHR/FRA/LHR/BUD/LHR

Does anyone know if the same aircraft will remain at LHR during this period?? If not will it the aircraft be rotated with the aircraft operating MAN/BUD route (06th - 08th & 10th June)as flights will be on the ground at the same time? or will this be where a crew change will happen??

The BA flight arrives at 17:35 and doesn't depart until 18:55
The LS flight arrives at 18:20 and doesn't depart until 18:50

I know that we did get a lot of good feedback from BA pax regarding the service LS offered during the first wave of stikes.

[easyJet A321]

I better start with this before people think I'm one of the Jet2 haters but its just something that's on my mind and is no way a dig at Jet2. So Jet2 have a pretty old fleet which I'm sure we're all aware of (an average of 22.1 Years) with one B733 already 24 Years old with a large number of others reaching that age this year, when are they going to be replaced? Have Jet2 said at what age they now see as too old and need to be replaced because I'm guessing 24 or slightly over isn't that with all these cabin re-fits etc. Will these just be replaced by more used B733 or another type of the B73? series such as the new generation ones?

I'll hopefully be able to try out the new cabin next year depending on whether Jet2 or easyJet have the best flight times but have never been with Jet2 before so quite looking forward to travelling with them!

[No RYR for me]

@321. It is simple economics: if you buy an old airframe cheap and fly it a little at higher DOC's it might still be cheaper than a new more efficient airframe. The best part: you can park it a few hours a day or a few months a year without to much pain. So as long as you maintain it well there might not be any reason to go for new unless production goes way up year round then the business case for a more efficient but more expensive to buy/ lease airframe becomes viable... :8

So i think the engineering department is almost leading in deciding when to replace an airframe for a younger one.. they are getting the bills :}

[rpmac]

Last month I picked up a family member and her husband at Newcastle. Their Ryanair flight had been cancelled and so the next day they were able fly with Jet2. Asking how the flight had been the reply was .."fine. I always prefer flying with Jet2, their cabins and seats always seem better".
Age of the aircraft does not matter to many people.

[Mr A Tis]

22 years old for a B733 may seem "old" but its not unusual. The remaining Monarch B757s are 22/23 years old-their A300s are around 21 years old. The B744 fleets of BA,KLM & Lufthansa are, in most cases over 20 years old. It will be a few years too before these will be replaced.
Subject to cycles, hours & MX costs, the LS 733s could go on for some time yet. The European B732s that used to knock about were over 30 years old.

[smudgethecat]

TBH i dont think the average punter gives a toss how old the aircraft is or what it is, what they do care about is the cabins in decent nick, the ife works, the bogs flush, and it goes on time, given you have decent engineers, enough of them and a decent maintenance budget theres no reason a twenty year old 757/767 cannot deliver, as someone said monarch operate pretty succesfully with some very old aircraft.

[easyJet A321]

The replies were how I expected with the usual that people don't care how old they are, which I know. I was just wondering at what age Jet2 feel they need to be replaced and by what.

[Facelookbovvered]

I think you have your answer, when it becomes clear that it cost more to operate old 737's then it will be time. The only other 737 loco with elderly 737 is baby and theirs work flat out from dawn until dusk, they aren't as old but baby seem to get more tech delays than Jet2 probably cos they work them harder.

What may alter the cost/benefit equation is the planned changes to APD in this months budget if as reported they move towards a per aircraft departure charge rather than per passenger and if its based on ETS emissions, then a cleaner aircraft may have a cost advantage (which is what Easyjet have lobbied for and i agree)

This would be a blow for Jet2 because it would lower the value of their fleet and increase costs, they also do a fair bit of ferry flights on the flip side it would reduce the purchase price of an additional aircraft.

The likes of baby with a leased fleet would be stuck with the additional cost burden, a least until lease expiry.

I don't agree that pax don't care are old the aircraft is, its just that they have no idea, i am not sure they would be to happy with " Laddies & gents welcome aboard this 23 year year old Boeing 737 flight to Malaga"

I am rather surprised that Ryanair have never picked up on this with their fuselage adds " the baby on the right will be on average 14 years older than this aircraft the Jet2 on your left will be on average 20 years older

Still one could retort that the f/o on your aircraft is being paid for this flight whilst the F/o on the Ryanair on your left is paying to do that flight!

[easyJet A321]

Thanks for your reply :) yeah I agree about the Ryanair thing but I have read a book about easyJet and Stelios said that is one thing in the industry never to say because it could happen to your airline. As we know accidents just happen with aircraft whatever their age.

[purplehelmet]

I think when the time comes to start replaceing the 733s jet2 will opt for a newer fleet of used 737s i cant see them switching to airbus because of the cost of retraining etc.
also i think when the 787 rolls into full production and airlines start to bin thier 757s the likes of jet2 could pick up a lot of newer 757s to replace the older ones.

[purplehelmet]

good point scratchy, i didnt think of that.i agree with you i cant see jet2 in the market for new airbus or boeing to be honest.

[airhumberside]

Might be worth looking at the Allegiant business model here when reviewing Jet 2's fleet decisions. They use 'old' MD-80's (and soon B757's). Most if not all are owned, and they aren't intensively worked. They also do charter work and their own holiday packages. And they are very successful :ok:

[purplehelmet]

airhumberside. well spotted they do seem to have a similar business model.
i wonder which european airline the six 757s are coming from?

[DjerbaDevil]

The business models for JET2 and Allegiant ARE identical. Allegiant are concentrating on the MD80, while JET2 have opted for the B737 and B757. Now Allegiant is wanting to expand to Hawaii and have signed an agreement with Thomson to take 6 of their B752's. I assume the foregoing since Thomson is providing the first two B752s. This is Allegiant news:
Allegiant Travel Company announced it has signed a forward purchase agreement to acquire six Boeing 757-200 aircraft.

The introduction of the 757 aircraft will enable Allegiant to expand its leisure travel strategy into Hawaii with flights to be operated by Allegiant Air, LLC, its airline subsidiary.

Allegiant plans to take delivery of these aircraft and place them in service with Allegiant Air on the following schedule:

* Two aircraft delivered within the next two months to be placed into service in the fourth quarter of 2010

* One aircraft delivered in November 2010 and another in January 2011 to be placed into service in the first half of 2011

* Two aircraft delivered in the fourth quarter of 2011 with planned in-service dates in the first half of 2012

The six 757 aircraft are sister-ships and have been in service with a single European operator since original delivery from Boeing. The aircraft come equipped for extended twin-engine operations (ETOPS), as required for long overwater flights.

Allegiant expects to spend between $75 to 90 million through 2012 acquiring and preparing this fleet for service. While Allegiant is able to acquire and prepare the aircraft for cash, it believes it will finance some portion of the purchase.

[SAM-EMA]

Just to correct that, its Thomas Cook, as opposed to Thomson.

Hope this helps
SAM-EMA

[DjerbaDevil]

Allegiant AirHub: Las Vegas McCarran | IATA: G4 | ICAO: AAY | details (http://www.ch-aviation.ch/airlinepage.php?code1=G4)C/NMSNlast updatemodelregistrationremarksformer airlineformer reg.delivered to45026963NEWB757-204(ER)N963BVStored at Jacksonville (NZC) Thomson Airways (http://www.ch-aviation.ch/airlinepage.php?code1=BY)G-BYADBritannia Airways (http://www.ch-aviation.ch/airlinepage.php?code1=BRT)45226964NEWB757-204(ER)N964BVStored at Everett (PAE) Thomson Airways (http://www.ch-aviation.ch/airlinepage.php?code1=BY)G-BYAEBritannia Airways (http://www.ch-aviation.ch/airlinepage.php?code1=BRT)

[lagerlout]

New route .....

[viscount702]

All summer 2011 fights from MAN with the exception of SSH are now one sale.

This suggest 9 based A/C can anyone confirm this and the numbers of each A/C

[DjerbaDevil]

Yesterday 23 June 2010 Newcastle Airport featured a press release headed "Jet2.com Unveils Anniversary Aircraft for Newcastle!" with a photo of the JET2 Anniversary Aircraft and a fairly extensive article of what JET2 and the Airport were doing for each other. Another feature of the press release was that "....Mr Meeson will be supplying his vintage 1945 passenger aircraft, a DH Rapide, to open proceedings.".

This press release has now disappeared........does anyone know why???? Or where it may have gone?

[edilpa]

Not sure about NCL website but it is still on the JET2 website.

Jet2.com Unveils Anniversary Aircraft for Newcastle! (http://www.jet2.com/News.aspx?id=746)

[Boeing 77W]

Jet2 were seen at EXT today doing an audit of the terminal and handling staff etc. Any idea as to what was happening?

[globetrotter79]

Jet2 at EXT....primary diversion alternate for NQY?

[take-off]

Maybe a new base is on cards, puts them far enough away from cardiff and bristol to pick plenty of folks from lower south west region, only really flybe and the tour ops they would be up against there, plus same airport operator own Exeter as Blackpool, mind something new for BLackpool would be nice for next summer, looking at JET2 hols bochure picked up at travel agents look like same old thing, with the exception of no mention of jersey,:confused:

[flybar]

Thought they had an aircraft based at Exeter anyway for Royal Mail work?

[freightdoggy dog]

Guys,

Its a Jar Ops ground handling audit and a DG audit..nothing more nothing less.

Yes the last Green tail operates for Royal mail, Yes its the primary diversion for NQY, Yes we are doing charters out of EXT...So yes I enjoyed the cream teas....but now I'm off to Jellied eels and mash land to do the last ever newspaper flight to JER after 22 years :ok:

[cornishsimon]

am i wrong in thinking that JET2 still only operate a couple of times a week into NQY during the summer only from Belfast ?

[david1994]

am i wrong in thinking that JET2 still only operate a couple of times a week into NQY during the summer only from Belfast ?

Jet2's only flight in and out of NQY is to and from Belfast. On a Wed and Saturday only.

[tonker]

What's going on in HR? Has R C resigned as well?

[757flyer]

I wouldnt be surprised, HR are utterly useless in Jet2, dont respond to emails, people who have applied rarely get responses, people who have had interviews left waiting not knowing, crew requiring passes waiting weeks for required paperwork from HR, a totaly useless aircrew manager who couldnt manage his way out of a paper bag, RC has tried to improve things but gets bullied by PM......and there is the route of the problem PM! He is a good busness man but should never ever be allowed near people, he shouts, bullies and interferes in every dept, particularly HR, so if this is true i suspect RC has had enough of the CEO....as have most people at Jet2.

[INKJET]

If so i pitty the poor trolley dolly that opened the door on the white 757 stuck on stand 41 at EMA this evening with a slide out and a 5+ plus hour delay to Dalaman:{

[Arethusa]

What's going on in HR? Has R C resigned as well?

This statement made me giggle! No one knows whats going on anywhere in the company let alone in HR.....and even if they did, they would not tell you as then they would have to talk to you.:)

Unorganized chaos springs to mind.

[DADDY-OH!]

Nope. R C is still very much entrenched in HR.

What's going on in HR? You wouldn't want to know.

[757 Speedbrakes]

That's alright then, RC actually seems a nice guy from the times when I've met him and appears popular with the crews and apprently is one of the few who can keep PM calm!! I think if he walked or was pushed it would be a setback - still would definatley secure BALPA representsion though despite the companies many feeble efforts that should be going ahead anyway :ok:

[LowFareFinder]

RC is an arse. He has no backbone,like most other 'directors' in Jet2. School children just obeying the headmaster.

[atcomarkingtime]

Sorry to jump in on the thread here...being a controller I always like to find out the aircraft type before I fly...off on the LS879 on 19 July to Alicante from Manch...been trying to find what Jet2 use on the route but the Ice station computers won't let me...I assume its a 757...but never should assume! Think looking at my online check in Im correct...but I'm sure you guys will put me right!:ok:

[TSR2]

Sure is a 757 on Mondays and Fridays.

[dwshimoda]

Sure is a 757 on Mondays and Fridays.

And also Thursdays and Saturdays at the moment.

[DjerbaDevil]

atcmarkingtime:
The registrations of the 4 possible B752's you may be flying are:
G-LSAG
G-LSAH
G-LSAI
G-LSAC (FITTED WITH WINLETS)
Let us know if you get a new refurbished interior on the flights. Would be interesting to know how many airframes have been fitted with the new interiors.
Have a great trip and enjoy your stay.

[bluepilot]

All the 757s have the new interior.

[Jet2krazey]

2X 75s have not got the new seats yet! AA and AB. they still have the old grey leather ones! dont know when they are gonna be changed.

[atcomarkingtime]

Excellent...Thanks for the replies! Will let you know about the aircraft...fly back on a Thursday too! We Air Traffic Controllers have to plan ahead you see!!:ok:

[LPFR]

Just noticed there's no G-LSAF?
There's AA - AE, No AF, and then AG - AK...
Any particular reason?

[TSR2]

Jet2 pulled out of the sale and the registration cancelled.

[purplehelmet]

g-lsaf was reserved for c/n22689 ex atlas jet 757, back in 2006/7 jet2 pulled out and the reg was cancelled.:8
beat me too it tsr2:ok:

[JonnyBfs]

I'm new and hopefully I'm doing this correctly:
Sorry to change the question guys but I was wondering when Jet2 are going to release their Summer 2011 Domestic Schedule? Any ideas?

JN

[purplehelmet]

welcome to pprune jonnybfs.
just google jet2 summer 2011.
loads of info on there:ok:

[commit aviation]

Hi JonnyBfs!

The domestic & shorter city destinations (LBA-BFS/AMS/DUS/CDG NCL-ORK BFS-BLK etc) are usually the last to go on sale. Most of the traditional "bucket & spade" routes are on sale & the Italian / French destinations are being loaded.
As to dates: difficult to say with any certainty. The leisure routes went on sale much earlier than last year (now competing with TOM/TCX etc for holiday sales.) Whether they will feel the need to put the domestics on earlier who knows? These routes traditionally book later so maybe it will be a couple of months. That said - they could just as easily put them on sale tomorrow just to get the job done!!
Keep watchin the website (or here - someone usually posts when routes get launched.) :ok:

[freightdoggy dog]

Jet2Krazey AA seats are ready to go....LOPA checked, Re-Weigh done, Arms, Moments and Index checked...New APS and AHM560 info ready to be loaded into DCS systems...Just got to get the trimmers to book it in :ok:

[SCANDIC]

Jet2 starting another top route May 2011 to Bodrum Milas.

[GnRdL]

New route: Newcastle - Alicante
From 04/04/2011:
Newcastle >> Alicante:
LS 583: 07:00 - 10:55 - 1/3/5/6
Alicante >> Newcastle:
LS 584: 11:30 - 13:25 - 1/3/5/6

[ncl2010]

Newcastle has got 5 new routes loaded onto the booking system for next year. These are:

Alicante
Faro
Krakow
Prague
Toulouse

And Monastir is going X2 weekly

:ok:

ncl2010

[SWBKCB]

Routes above and an extra aircraft confirmed by Jet2 on BBC Newcastle.

[purplehelmet]

anyone know what the problem was with the jet2 757 at man today 13.30ish.? five fire engines in attendance after landing.

[Hamburg 2K8]

I heard hydraulics was the problem, but I'm sure someone else here can confirm? How old on average are LS 757's and 737's?

[TSR2]

How old on average are LS 757's and 737's

B737's .... 16 built 1986 .... 2 built 1987 .... 3 built 1988

B757's .... 3 built 1987 .... 3 built 1988 .... 1 built 1989 .... 1 built 1992 .... 1 built 1996

[Firestorm]

Wynnwith are looking for 757 and 737 crews for interview tomorrow, and to start on Monday. Most unusual so what's going on?

[Penworth]

Well I don't know if the Wynnwith interviews are for Jet2 but we're certainly a few pilots short at the moment, according to the aircrew manager....

[Firestorm]

They are Jet 2: Wynnwith confirmed that. They must be very short if it's all such short notice!

[GlennTheBaker]

The 757 emergency landing was due to flight deck reporting engine vibration.

[757 Speedbrakes]

Must be short of quite a few guys, judging by how many bases I'm having to work out of at the moment and it's busy enough at my own!

A few guys are already at maximum duty hours and the rest must be getting close............

[david1994]

Just returned today on G-JELK (Jet2 Edinburgh) on Blackpool - Belfast and I must say it was the worst flight ever !!! you couldnt sit right back on the seats as they would fall behind, the cabin was dirty and the crew was not friendly, maybe a bad day for them, but really was a shock as Jet2 is usually A1

[TSR2]

Assume you mean G-CELK as there is no aircraft registered G-JELK.

[david1994]

Assume you mean G-CELK as there is no aircraft registered G-JELK.

Yup sorry :O

[suck egg mule]

They are Jet 2: Wynnwith confirmed that. They must be very short if it's all such short notice!

Ha ha, and now this seasonal contract BS is coming back to bite J2 in the ass.:yuk:

Come for a face to face interview on the 17 July to Start O.C.C. on the 19 July for a 3 month contract,:ugh:

These clowns are desperate for experienced 737 FOs.

I can tell you the CAA are NOT impressed with J2 seasonal pilot policy

[Hull City AFC]

Does anyone know why todays (Saturday 17/7/2010) 16:00 Malaga flight was delayed for 5 hours?.

[flybar]

High Season, Maximum Aircraft Utilisation, Aircraft go Tech and have to be fixed, Congestion at Foreign Airports.
In other words same as why many other flights, with many airlines, were delayed yesterday.
Welcome to the real world. It could get worse before it gets better!!

[bluepilot]

suck egg mule....what exactly do you know about the CAA and their views on J2? very little i suspect as the CAA are only concerned with standards etc, NOT terms and conditions of employment!

[Mr @ Spotty M]

Quite correct bluepilot, that is why the CAA may well be looking at Jet2 because of standards.
I have no way of knowing if they are or not, but my opinion and it is only an opinion, it is never a good idea of bringing pilots on sort term contracts when you know very little about them.
Cast your mind back to the pilot recently found to have forged his licence details, he was rumoured to have flown a season at Jet2 and l guess the CAA were not to impressed.

[bluepilot]

and if you remember the pilot concerned was apparently a very good operator and his standards were that good he had become a training captain with the company he had conned at that time! Anyone can be the victim of criminal activity......standards are another thing. I came to this airline from a national flag carrier and can tell you that I have been very impressed with the training standards at Jet2. Any airline can always improve including your beloved Monarch mr spotty, I bet that when Monarch first employ any pilot they know very little about them, no recruitment process can be perfect, but spreading unfounded rumours are another form of criminality.

[arriva]

Just booked sharm from Manchester in november,never flown with J2 before,Are the meals worth booking and can i expect any sort of IFT.

[CabinCrewe]

No and sort of. You'll get a paid for DVD player if your lucky

[cherrylock]

After reading all this regarding bogus pilots at jet2 and the CAA investigating them i think will stick to monarch in future, very worrying :\:\

[flybar]

I thought Mr Chowder would have got in first - true to form the Monarch mob are at it again. I see he is posting his usual inappropriate comments on the Goldtrail thread.
The bogus pilot is old news and well reported on here ages ago and who says the CAA are investigating Jet2?.
Stick to your beloved Monarch but dont throw your muck at others who are trying to earn a living in difficult times.

[Teevee]

Spotty wrote ....

" ...may well be ..."
" ... my opinion ..."
" ... he was rumoured to have ..."

Even for a rumour network the implicit admission of lack of true knowledge and facts is breathtaking ....:ugh:

[aidoair]

After reading all this regarding bogus pilots at jet2 and the CAA investigating them i think will stick to monarch in future, very worrying http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:www.pprune.org/get/images/smilies/wibble.gifhttp://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:www.pprune.org/get/images/smilies/wibble.gif

Don't want to sound rude or anything, but it has started to annoy me now. Cherrylocks comments are either always posted under a lack of knowledge or as sarcasm. Cherrylock if you are being serious and are constantly worried about all the things mentioned on here, then i suggest either you stick to something like holidaytruths.co.uk to find out your information on jet2 and stop using this forum or don't believe everything you see on here and stop comparing Jet2 and Monarch all the time...

To say you always have doubts about LS, you always seem to be flying with them or planning on booking with them???

[Airbus321-200]

@cherrylock

having seen your comments over the past few months it's obvious you work for monarch or have some tie to monarch so dont be commenting on here pretending to be a concerned pax cause it's bullsh*t. I'm not on Jet2's side actually i will always fly monarch over Jet2 as i'm loyal to them just as jet2 have tens of thosands of loyal pax. Jet2 and Monarch have fantastic safety records so this is not an issue. It's like a school yard in here sometimes. :ugh:

[smudgethecat]

By all accounts jet 2 have a bit of previous in the bogus qualification dept, didnt they employ a"licenced engineer"a couple of years ago who it transpired a few months later wasnt a licensed engineer at all
and the only qualification he had was a PPL,caused a bit of a kerfuffle with the CAA who didnt see the funny side of someone with no licence certifiying commercial aircraft

[theloudone]

Doesn`t say much for their quality department then !

[Frankfurt_Cowboy]

So Jet2 have inexperienced pilots flying geriatric aircraft? I live quite close to Leeds/Bradford, should I be worried?

[smudgethecat]

Very true, however im not sure how he managed to be issued with a company authorisation to issue a CRS without the QA dept actually seeing his licence with the relevent types endorsed on it, very lax