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In lieu of the loss of the Air Livery facilities there,it appears the work that was done on EZY A319`s leaving the fleet is being conducted out of the "Diamond Hangar" at STN.
4 present at STN with one or two at least already repainted into Allegiant livery.
The two ENZ/Jota RJ`s working on charters from STN today.
4 present at STN with one or two at least already repainted into Allegiant livery.
The two ENZ/Jota RJ`s working on charters from STN today.
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WIZZ ANNOUNCEMENT TODAY
Could todays news basing 4 more aircraft at Luton from June 18 be the rumoured new operator for Southend. If so, I assume, the availability of Monarch slots, has scuppered their plans for Southend.
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Yes, I wondered that. One possible scenario might be that Wizz never intended to open a base at SEN but engaged in negotiations with SEN management in order to obtain a better deal at LTN. Just my musings, I have no information at all to support that theory.
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"Hello, is that Southend Airport?"
"Yes, this is London Southend."
"Yes, splendid... This is easyjet speaking. We just wanted to say how disappointed we all are that our Eastern European comrades have decided to pile into our overcrowded base north of London, instead of taking advantage of all that space you've created at the seaside at the cost of...... just how many millions did you spend on those rather nice stands - perfect for A320's?"
"Too bloody much. Now they're going to sit there empty for God knows how long. It's not funny, we're running out of assets we can sell to support the group's dividend."
"Now now, don't fret. Your orange friend may have a solution. Of course, it will be a huge risk for us to base a couple extra aircraft with you, but if you......"
"Zero landing fees?"
"Now you're talking our language. Just think of the extra revenue in the terminal and that nice new car park, you know - the one that's not currently needed!"
"It's a deal. December announcement?"
"Least we can do for you. By the way, we have been most impressed by your efforts on the SEN-DUB route. If our new man decided it's now or never for us with regard to the Repubic of Ireland, you would be willing to stand aside, wouldn't you?"
"Yes, this is London Southend."
"Yes, splendid... This is easyjet speaking. We just wanted to say how disappointed we all are that our Eastern European comrades have decided to pile into our overcrowded base north of London, instead of taking advantage of all that space you've created at the seaside at the cost of...... just how many millions did you spend on those rather nice stands - perfect for A320's?"
"Too bloody much. Now they're going to sit there empty for God knows how long. It's not funny, we're running out of assets we can sell to support the group's dividend."
"Now now, don't fret. Your orange friend may have a solution. Of course, it will be a huge risk for us to base a couple extra aircraft with you, but if you......"
"Zero landing fees?"
"Now you're talking our language. Just think of the extra revenue in the terminal and that nice new car park, you know - the one that's not currently needed!"
"It's a deal. December announcement?"
"Least we can do for you. By the way, we have been most impressed by your efforts on the SEN-DUB route. If our new man decided it's now or never for us with regard to the Repubic of Ireland, you would be willing to stand aside, wouldn't you?"
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You're seeking the Jerry Maguire moment, right there.
As regards your humourous SEN-DUB overtures, that will result in an open bloody battle between FR and EZY, and we all know EZY got a bloody nose the last time they got above their station pulling that stunt. O'Leary will put the dagger right in and twist it hard.
As regards your humourous SEN-DUB overtures, that will result in an open bloody battle between FR and EZY, and we all know EZY got a bloody nose the last time they got above their station pulling that stunt. O'Leary will put the dagger right in and twist it hard.
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"Yes, splendid... This is easyjet speaking. We just wanted to say how disappointed we all are that our Eastern European comrades have decided to pile into our overcrowded base north of London, instead of taking advantage of all that space you've created at the seaside at the cost of...... just how many millions did you spend on those rather nice stands - perfect for A320's?"
"Too bloody much. Now they're going to sit there empty for God knows how long. It's not funny, we're running out of assets we can sell to support the group's dividend."
"Too bloody much. Now they're going to sit there empty for God knows how long. It's not funny, we're running out of assets we can sell to support the group's dividend."
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I did, but I could only see it being something like a few times a week to sonewhere like Gdansk or Poznan to supplement LTN, or maybe a new route to somewhere unknown that couldn't be accommodated at LTN. The former could still happen I guess, but I wouldn't put any money on it. I didn't believe a serious base would be set up though. Also the fact Stobart have had Budapest on sale for some time for next year suggests that is at least one core Wizz route that was never under consideration.
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Unless some established regular posters have been telling porkies - and I don't believe that for one second - Wizz representatives came to the airport. But as I've said before, why wouldn't they? Considering alternatives, developing contacts, understanding each other's needs is pretty routine stuff. All this going to lead anywhere one day? Doesn't look like it, but you never know!
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I find this thread increasingly hard to read.
SEN complains when LTN or STN get new traffic and claim the mangement of SEN, or Stobart are incompetent, and seem to think it is perfectly reasonable to pass judgement on matters that are clearly not understood.
The fact is, SEN loses business to it's bigger competitors like LTN and STN. But, LTN and STN take second place to LHR and LGW. And then LHR and LGW will get ruffled when AMS and FRA take major business ... or Dubai or Doha etc. And so it goes on.
At the other end of the scale, I bet Norwich and Bournemouth raised an eyebrow when SEN got easyJet and so it goes on, and Lydd would probably love to be in the place of Norwich etc etc etc
The fact is, this is a highly complex and competitive businesses, and the level of negativity and naivety is wearing at times ... Business decisions are not taken based on whether the airport has a shiny new terminal and oodles of capacity, if it was then LTN would have been kicked into the long grass years ago, it's about markets and demand.
Personally I think SEN is doing rather well and is developing and will continue to do so. I have no idea who the mystery airline is, but sooner or later a new carrier will come in in a big way and that will be the next quantum leap,
In the meantime, it would be great to see less doom and gloom on here - after all, you never actually know who is reading it and where this negativity could end up
SEN complains when LTN or STN get new traffic and claim the mangement of SEN, or Stobart are incompetent, and seem to think it is perfectly reasonable to pass judgement on matters that are clearly not understood.
The fact is, SEN loses business to it's bigger competitors like LTN and STN. But, LTN and STN take second place to LHR and LGW. And then LHR and LGW will get ruffled when AMS and FRA take major business ... or Dubai or Doha etc. And so it goes on.
At the other end of the scale, I bet Norwich and Bournemouth raised an eyebrow when SEN got easyJet and so it goes on, and Lydd would probably love to be in the place of Norwich etc etc etc
The fact is, this is a highly complex and competitive businesses, and the level of negativity and naivety is wearing at times ... Business decisions are not taken based on whether the airport has a shiny new terminal and oodles of capacity, if it was then LTN would have been kicked into the long grass years ago, it's about markets and demand.
Personally I think SEN is doing rather well and is developing and will continue to do so. I have no idea who the mystery airline is, but sooner or later a new carrier will come in in a big way and that will be the next quantum leap,
In the meantime, it would be great to see less doom and gloom on here - after all, you never actually know who is reading it and where this negativity could end up
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Greater Anglia work is set to continue well into next year | Echo
This doesn't help the airport one iota. What pees me off is that back in the good old days this work would have been done over a much longer period between the time of the last train and the first (Not for nothing is this period called 'Engineering Hours'). But that costs too much - hence the bs talk of upgrades to justify not allowing TOC's to do what they are supposed to do. Run a bloody train service.
This doesn't help the airport one iota. What pees me off is that back in the good old days this work would have been done over a much longer period between the time of the last train and the first (Not for nothing is this period called 'Engineering Hours'). But that costs too much - hence the bs talk of upgrades to justify not allowing TOC's to do what they are supposed to do. Run a bloody train service.
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cumbrianboy...
Your last line indicates yet again an attempt at censorship on this particular forum.
The guys on here are welcome to post views surely?..(most locals on here appearing to have many years of association with SEN)....even if they do not concur with your own viewpoint.
Expectation here has been raised by Stobart themselves with their regular forecasts & projections for investors...& also by admittedly rather silly statements & views from the Airport MD which are obviously condoned by his employer.
Your last line indicates yet again an attempt at censorship on this particular forum.
The guys on here are welcome to post views surely?..(most locals on here appearing to have many years of association with SEN)....even if they do not concur with your own viewpoint.
Expectation here has been raised by Stobart themselves with their regular forecasts & projections for investors...& also by admittedly rather silly statements & views from the Airport MD which are obviously condoned by his employer.
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@Southside bobby
Not at all. The last thing I would advocate would be censorship, what I am advocating is INFORMED discussion.
Debate is at the heart of progress, but the seemingly never ending management bashing is tedious, ill informed and unfounded.
My post above was an attempt to highlight that what some see as the failings of SEN, are in fact the realities of a competitive world.
Not at all. The last thing I would advocate would be censorship, what I am advocating is INFORMED discussion.
Debate is at the heart of progress, but the seemingly never ending management bashing is tedious, ill informed and unfounded.
My post above was an attempt to highlight that what some see as the failings of SEN, are in fact the realities of a competitive world.
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SS & Cumbrianboy
You are BOTH absolutely right. London Southend is an amazing story. One day it may earn the right to call itself London Phoenix - it's nicely on the way.
But it's true that there's only one body out there that causes scorn to be poured. The very people who consistently fail to meet their own targets, then up the ante with wild, ridiculous projections such as 10 million pax pa.
Strange as it seems I too think they're doing a good job. But then I know nothing of the city and big business. Using my innocent eyes, it looks as if they're doing excellent work.
You are BOTH absolutely right. London Southend is an amazing story. One day it may earn the right to call itself London Phoenix - it's nicely on the way.
But it's true that there's only one body out there that causes scorn to be poured. The very people who consistently fail to meet their own targets, then up the ante with wild, ridiculous projections such as 10 million pax pa.
Strange as it seems I too think they're doing a good job. But then I know nothing of the city and big business. Using my innocent eyes, it looks as if they're doing excellent work.
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