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Does Flybe offer any connecting flights via Southend? It seems they do not for bookings from Groningen, even though that would be useful. For example, the flight from Groningen arrives at SEN at 17:25, with departures from SEN to Dublin, Manchester, and Glasgow at 18:30, 18:35, and 18:30.
For the return flights the connections are not as good (about 4 hours transfer time in SEN), but still I think certainly people from Groningen would use such options (even if it is only for example one-way GRQ-SEN-DUB and then back DUB-AMS or so).
For the return flights the connections are not as good (about 4 hours transfer time in SEN), but still I think certainly people from Groningen would use such options (even if it is only for example one-way GRQ-SEN-DUB and then back DUB-AMS or so).
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SEN-GRQ 18x/week in S18?
Some people on a Dutch forum pointed out that for Summer next year, starting Sunday 25 March 2018, much more flights between Southend and Groningen are loaded into the Flybe booking system.
On weekdays, there are three return flights, on Saturdays 2x GRQ-SEN and 1x SEN-GRQ and on Sundays 1x GRQ-SEN and 2x SEN-GRQ. So that means 18 (!) return flights per week, up from 8 last summer and 6 this winter. Based on the timings (first departure from GRQ at 7:10 and last arrival at 21:10), it seems they plan to base an ATR in Groningen.
For the first week (i.e. the last week of March 2018) all these flights are bookable, but for the rest of the Summer season they are loaded but "Full or not enough seats".
Does anybody know more about this? The passenger numbers on the route are increasing (slowly but surely), but the planes are far from full (I think on average about 50-60%) so tripling the number of flights seems excessive.
On weekdays, there are three return flights, on Saturdays 2x GRQ-SEN and 1x SEN-GRQ and on Sundays 1x GRQ-SEN and 2x SEN-GRQ. So that means 18 (!) return flights per week, up from 8 last summer and 6 this winter. Based on the timings (first departure from GRQ at 7:10 and last arrival at 21:10), it seems they plan to base an ATR in Groningen.
For the first week (i.e. the last week of March 2018) all these flights are bookable, but for the rest of the Summer season they are loaded but "Full or not enough seats".
Does anybody know more about this? The passenger numbers on the route are increasing (slowly but surely), but the planes are far from full (I think on average about 50-60%) so tripling the number of flights seems excessive.
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Planespeaking..It was a reasonable question & as you say of course it has been "formulated" so perhaps you might allow the question again?.
Who would be responsible for missed connections due to say w/x at a CAT 1 airport or for m/x,being two such examples.
Who would be responsible for missed connections due to say w/x at a CAT 1 airport or for m/x,being two such examples.
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I also note that whereas the FBO advertises itself as open 24/7 the airport regulations concerning night flying restrict the operational hours somewhat. No helicopter flights at night removes the helicopter transfer option and the noise QC limit of 1 means that the BBJ's they are after won't be coming in at night either.
Where exactly are they basing the new FBO? In one of the old ATC Lasham sheds?
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I also note that whereas the FBO advertises itself as open 24/7 the airport regulations concerning night flying restrict the operational hours somewhat. No helicopter flights at night removes the helicopter transfer option and the noise QC limit of 1 means that the BBJ's they are after won't be coming in at night either.
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Some people on a Dutch forum pointed out that for Summer next year, starting Sunday 25 March 2018, much more flights between Southend and Groningen are loaded into the Flybe booking system.
On weekdays, there are three return flights, on Saturdays 2x GRQ-SEN and 1x SEN-GRQ and on Sundays 1x GRQ-SEN and 2x SEN-GRQ. So that means 18 (!) return flights per week, up from 8 last summer and 6 this winter. Based on the timings (first departure from GRQ at 7:10 and last arrival at 21:10), it seems they plan to base an ATR in Groningen.
For the first week (i.e. the last week of March 2018) all these flights are bookable, but for the rest of the Summer season they are loaded but "Full or not enough seats".
On weekdays, there are three return flights, on Saturdays 2x GRQ-SEN and 1x SEN-GRQ and on Sundays 1x GRQ-SEN and 2x SEN-GRQ. So that means 18 (!) return flights per week, up from 8 last summer and 6 this winter. Based on the timings (first departure from GRQ at 7:10 and last arrival at 21:10), it seems they plan to base an ATR in Groningen.
For the first week (i.e. the last week of March 2018) all these flights are bookable, but for the rest of the Summer season they are loaded but "Full or not enough seats".
Last edited by Expressflight; 24th Oct 2017 at 17:42. Reason: aircraft night-stopping GRQ not based there.
The helicopter night ban at SEN is less restrictive than the operating hours at the advertised destinations of London Heliport and Vanguard, though the Battersea hours can be extended to the same cut off time as SEN. The 737 BBJ is less than QC1 I am sure though I can't find the reference to quote.
Last edited by Tagron; 24th Oct 2017 at 12:24. Reason: Typo
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The QC scheme is at AIP Supplement S010/2017 here: NATS | AIS - Home.
Pages 9 and 19 show that all B737s are QC1 or less & OK for arrival; except for the now largely obsolete -200s (which are more than QC1), all are OK for departure too. Government and military exempt from QC scheme, although they still count towards the monthly 120 per calendar month limit during the night-period. The QC scheme is not a restriction on B737 operation therefore.
Perhaps asdf1234 using a different QC scheme to the rest of industry?
Agree that the helicopter restriction is somewhat inflexible, this could actually lead to more noise from a helicopter arriving early AM that has to be held until the curfew finishes before landing; this would cause extra noise that the helicopter curfew is meant to eliminate. It would be better to have a limit on helicopter movements, that come into the overall monthly quota.
Police, Coastguard, Helimed and miltary helicopters can operate at night, it shows that exceptions can be made. Allowing a very limited number of civil helicopter movements perhaps should be facilitated by the local Councils.
Pages 9 and 19 show that all B737s are QC1 or less & OK for arrival; except for the now largely obsolete -200s (which are more than QC1), all are OK for departure too. Government and military exempt from QC scheme, although they still count towards the monthly 120 per calendar month limit during the night-period. The QC scheme is not a restriction on B737 operation therefore.
Perhaps asdf1234 using a different QC scheme to the rest of industry?
Agree that the helicopter restriction is somewhat inflexible, this could actually lead to more noise from a helicopter arriving early AM that has to be held until the curfew finishes before landing; this would cause extra noise that the helicopter curfew is meant to eliminate. It would be better to have a limit on helicopter movements, that come into the overall monthly quota.
Police, Coastguard, Helimed and miltary helicopters can operate at night, it shows that exceptions can be made. Allowing a very limited number of civil helicopter movements perhaps should be facilitated by the local Councils.
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The QC scheme is at AIP Supplement S010/2017 here: NATS | AIS - Home.
Pages 9 and 19 show that all B737s are QC1 or less & OK for arrival; except for the now largely obsolete -200s (which are more than QC1), all are OK for departure too. Government and military exempt from QC scheme, although they still count towards the monthly 120 per calendar month limit during the night-period. The QC scheme is not a restriction on B737 operation therefore.
Perhaps asdf1234 using a different QC scheme to the rest of industry?
Pages 9 and 19 show that all B737s are QC1 or less & OK for arrival; except for the now largely obsolete -200s (which are more than QC1), all are OK for departure too. Government and military exempt from QC scheme, although they still count towards the monthly 120 per calendar month limit during the night-period. The QC scheme is not a restriction on B737 operation therefore.
Perhaps asdf1234 using a different QC scheme to the rest of industry?
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So is this GRQ based aircraft in addition to the two ATRs based at SEN, or is it one of the two? With the GRQ increase, how are the RNS and CFR routes being operated and is CGN continuing for summer 18?
I was surprised to see in a previous post RNS was still down as only daily, being to date the most successful ATR route.
I was surprised to see in a previous post RNS was still down as only daily, being to date the most successful ATR route.
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The CGN flights will continue through S2018 on the EMB195 as they do now.
The additional GRQ flights fill the spare slots in the 2 x ATR72 utilisation needed for the Flybe S2018 timetable released last week.
RNS is interesting because Veuling are dropping their RNS-LGW route for next year and you would think that offered the opportunity to increase frequencies on the SEN route. I doubt Stobart would make a third ATR available just to do that though.
The additional GRQ flights fill the spare slots in the 2 x ATR72 utilisation needed for the Flybe S2018 timetable released last week.
RNS is interesting because Veuling are dropping their RNS-LGW route for next year and you would think that offered the opportunity to increase frequencies on the SEN route. I doubt Stobart would make a third ATR available just to do that though.
