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At risk of being HDQ'd but got to say, the new rail rolling stock will become a significant improvement compared to the present day dated engines and carriages. Timing is everything and due to come into service 2019/20.
Align that to the broader SEN project plan and it's own timings for expansion.
Align that to the broader SEN project plan and it's own timings for expansion.
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In terms of the recent posts interpretting pragmatic challenging of the SEN missed targets on their scorecard, I think it's right to have balanced views that share people's natural views both negative and positively disposed views are healthy.
SEN and certain individuals at the airport need to recognise the importance of expectation management to their shareholders, by not doing that, uneasiness takes hold amongst investors. If you set targets, you best be sure to hit them. Always good to under promise, and over achieve.
SEN and certain individuals at the airport need to recognise the importance of expectation management to their shareholders, by not doing that, uneasiness takes hold amongst investors. If you set targets, you best be sure to hit them. Always good to under promise, and over achieve.
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Here's one fan who's willing to go the extra mile for SEN.
Easyjet considers new routes from flourishing airport | Echo
Easyjet considers new routes from flourishing airport | Echo
The easyJet Autumn 2018 schedules are on sale today.
At first glance these show that all SEN routes maintain their peak summer frequencies. Four based aircraft seem to be required for the 66 weekly rotations but there is considerable scope for additional routes if all four are to be fully utilised.
At first glance these show that all SEN routes maintain their peak summer frequencies. Four based aircraft seem to be required for the 66 weekly rotations but there is considerable scope for additional routes if all four are to be fully utilised.
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I can assure you that STN and LTN will not be sitting back and doing nothing, watching new routes roll in. They will be working very hard to achieve that, just as SEN is.
However, I feel I need to make a few points. Firstly, STN and LTN do not necessarily compete with each other, or even SEN. They compete with EVERY airport in Europe. The Wizz decision will not have been between SEN and LTN, we have already had that confirmed, it will have been do we base 4 aircraft in LTN, or France, or Germany, or the Netherlands or wherever. Airlines, especially pan european ones, are not loyal to any particular market, they are loyal to their aircraft assets and expect each one to generate a given return and they can achieve that anywhere.
I know SEN will be working very hard to attract new airlines, and offering all sorts of deals and incentives, and it is a cut throat, difficult and ruthless businesses.
Liken it to making money. If you are a high net worth individual, say worth around £25m, it is, relatively, easier to make another million and increase ones worth to £26m. You still have to work hard, but it will come easier to someone worth £25m already than it will to someone who is worth £1m who will have to work that much harder.
That said, when you make the second million, the 3rd comes a little easier and 4th a little easier still.
The same is true with airports - it's all about critical mass and it takes time and an awful lot of false starts and disappointments to get there - but eventually you do.
SEN, along with other airports of its size, work bloody hard to grow, and remember what I said above, it's not about competiing with LTN or STN, its about competing with every airport in europe that wants those 2 based aircraft etc, and so of course, SEN are going to lose many more battles than they win.
So for SEN, they will have many more false starts, but eventually they will get to 2 million passengers, and when they do, getting to 3 million will be easier and then 4 and 5 will follow etc. Naturally, capacity and physical constraints will play a part but I hope you see my point.
Now, as for my views on here, I am not trying to censor anyone, far from it. It is fair and right to be disappointed when services go elsewhere, but what does get my goat is the constant bashing that goes on of the airport for being 'incompetent' and that is my point. It is not incompetence, it is reality.
However, I feel I need to make a few points. Firstly, STN and LTN do not necessarily compete with each other, or even SEN. They compete with EVERY airport in Europe. The Wizz decision will not have been between SEN and LTN, we have already had that confirmed, it will have been do we base 4 aircraft in LTN, or France, or Germany, or the Netherlands or wherever. Airlines, especially pan european ones, are not loyal to any particular market, they are loyal to their aircraft assets and expect each one to generate a given return and they can achieve that anywhere.
I know SEN will be working very hard to attract new airlines, and offering all sorts of deals and incentives, and it is a cut throat, difficult and ruthless businesses.
Liken it to making money. If you are a high net worth individual, say worth around £25m, it is, relatively, easier to make another million and increase ones worth to £26m. You still have to work hard, but it will come easier to someone worth £25m already than it will to someone who is worth £1m who will have to work that much harder.
That said, when you make the second million, the 3rd comes a little easier and 4th a little easier still.
The same is true with airports - it's all about critical mass and it takes time and an awful lot of false starts and disappointments to get there - but eventually you do.
SEN, along with other airports of its size, work bloody hard to grow, and remember what I said above, it's not about competiing with LTN or STN, its about competing with every airport in europe that wants those 2 based aircraft etc, and so of course, SEN are going to lose many more battles than they win.
So for SEN, they will have many more false starts, but eventually they will get to 2 million passengers, and when they do, getting to 3 million will be easier and then 4 and 5 will follow etc. Naturally, capacity and physical constraints will play a part but I hope you see my point.
Now, as for my views on here, I am not trying to censor anyone, far from it. It is fair and right to be disappointed when services go elsewhere, but what does get my goat is the constant bashing that goes on of the airport for being 'incompetent' and that is my point. It is not incompetence, it is reality.
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the constant bashing that goes on of the airport for being 'incompetent' and that is my point. It is not incompetence, it is reality.
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cumbrianboy`s "management style" discussions are interesting as they contain in reality a summation which could just as effectively be written as...... "the management" are playing in a big boys world.
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Precisely! Investor interest is a potential flight risk (pardon the pun). I said it before and I'll say it again - when you are forecasting business plans, you better be sure those plans stand up to investor scrutiny and expectations. It is always best to under state, and over achieve. Avoiding the opposite is imperative.
More realistically achieveable targets may be prudent.
More realistically achieveable targets may be prudent.
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I wonder if in balance it was decided that BACF could shrug off the competition, where as Cityjet's presence at LCY may be weakened further.
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Interesting figures. Solid by easyjet with CDG continuing with decent numbers when for so long it looked favourite for the axe. Hard to really judge Stobart/Flybe -other than the established ATR routes - except you can spot the shockers. Still find it hard to believe less than a thousand for Venice, would have expected to see that route performing well.
I don't think the VCE schedule of only a Thursday afternoon and Sunday morning flight was very attractive to the weekender market. Apparently it was not thought worthwhile offering something different for 2018. The CGN route still disappoints but I think there may be signs of an improvement recently. Otherwise the new Flybe/Stobart route figures don't look too bad.
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Another good Dublin route review from a London bound perspective -
https://www.buzz.ie/travel/stobart-a...-london-263556
https://www.buzz.ie/travel/stobart-a...-london-263556