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Down -0.4%? My God, it must be the end for them with a drop that huge. Do you think they can last the winter, FR-? 
(Incidentally, I don't think that January traffic is the most trustworthy metric. Ryanair has parked up something like 40 aircraft this winter, which IIRC is more than last year, so a very modest traffic growth in January wouldn't really surprise me. I'd suggest that average growth over the last 6 months or last 12 months might be a more meaningful metric. I don't see enough evidence to support the "big changeover" hypothesis.)
(Incidentally, I don't think that January traffic is the most trustworthy metric. Ryanair has parked up something like 40 aircraft this winter, which IIRC is more than last year, so a very modest traffic growth in January wouldn't really surprise me. I'd suggest that average growth over the last 6 months or last 12 months might be a more meaningful metric. I don't see enough evidence to support the "big changeover" hypothesis.)
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Haha nope I try to understand the otherside of the spin that marketing put“s on it. That is the main reason why you should never ask the spindoctor but always the people on the other side of the fence 
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Comparing Ryanair results to those of Easyjet
Hi,
As Cyrano has suggested, making comparisons between the two airlines is not a straightforward thing to do. You could pick any of the following measures on their own and try to tell a story with the numbers... but if you're going to do that you need to be very careful.
Consider for example:
Jan 2011 vs Jan 2010 % pax growth: U2 +19.1%, FR +5%
Jan 2011 vs Jan 2010 growth in absolute passenger numbers: U2 +600,000 FR +220,000
Jan 2011 LF: U2 78.9%, FR 71%
Rolling year to Jan 2011 Pax: U2 50.32 million, FR 72.9 million (rightly or wrongly including volcano cancellations)
Rolling year to Jan 2011 % pax growth: U2: +8.5%, FR +11%
Rolling year to Jan 2011 growth in absolute pax numbers: U2 +3.9 million, FR +7.3 million
Rolling year to Jan 2011 LF: U2 87.1%, FR 82%
And one more important statistic:
Predicted loss for W10/11 (Oct 2010 to March 2011): U2: Approx £140-160 million, FR: Approx EUR 50 to EUR 70 million.
Unless they place another aircraft order, FR's growth will slow to zero in the next couple of years. U2 still have plans to grow, even though Stelios doesn't like this plan. As for a big changeover, U2 still have a lot of catching up to do in terms of passenger numbers and profits, although as I recall they still lead in terms of profit per passenger. Is it a race? And if so, which race do you want to win?
As Cyrano has suggested, making comparisons between the two airlines is not a straightforward thing to do. You could pick any of the following measures on their own and try to tell a story with the numbers... but if you're going to do that you need to be very careful.
Consider for example:
Jan 2011 vs Jan 2010 % pax growth: U2 +19.1%, FR +5%
Jan 2011 vs Jan 2010 growth in absolute passenger numbers: U2 +600,000 FR +220,000
Jan 2011 LF: U2 78.9%, FR 71%
Rolling year to Jan 2011 Pax: U2 50.32 million, FR 72.9 million (rightly or wrongly including volcano cancellations)
Rolling year to Jan 2011 % pax growth: U2: +8.5%, FR +11%
Rolling year to Jan 2011 growth in absolute pax numbers: U2 +3.9 million, FR +7.3 million
Rolling year to Jan 2011 LF: U2 87.1%, FR 82%
And one more important statistic:
Predicted loss for W10/11 (Oct 2010 to March 2011): U2: Approx £140-160 million, FR: Approx EUR 50 to EUR 70 million.
Unless they place another aircraft order, FR's growth will slow to zero in the next couple of years. U2 still have plans to grow, even though Stelios doesn't like this plan. As for a big changeover, U2 still have a lot of catching up to do in terms of passenger numbers and profits, although as I recall they still lead in terms of profit per passenger. Is it a race? And if so, which race do you want to win?
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I don't know if this is the right thread to put this on but I have flown easy and ryanair frequently between the UK and spain and if i am flexible with my dates I have found better bargains with easy. Even if they were more expensive on occasions I book easy as the whole experience and service is far more superior than that of ryanair...in my opinion it is anyway
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I have always found if you play the Ryanair game you always get the best price
all my flights are booked with pre payed master card I only take 10kg of hand baggage and always get free tax flights ... some of my best deals have been -
STN-LPA-STN for £20 RTN
STN-FUE-STN for £12 RTN
STN-PMI-STN for £6 RTN
STN-CIA-STN for £6 RTN
I could go on and list many more flighs but I wont I must add that the above prices are without paying to print my boarding pass so add that on ...
I have always looked at Easyjet as well as Ryanair but always find Easyjet to be alot more than Ryanair even with both having sales on.
all my flights are booked with pre payed master card I only take 10kg of hand baggage and always get free tax flights ... some of my best deals have been -
STN-LPA-STN for £20 RTN
STN-FUE-STN for £12 RTN
STN-PMI-STN for £6 RTN
STN-CIA-STN for £6 RTN
I could go on and list many more flighs but I wont I must add that the above prices are without paying to print my boarding pass so add that on ...
I have always looked at Easyjet as well as Ryanair but always find Easyjet to be alot more than Ryanair even with both having sales on.
The latest traffic data has been released by the airlines for January. The difference between the growth is growing. Ryanair added 5% while Easyjet added 19%.
We seem to be having a big changeover with most of the growth going to easyjet.
We seem to be having a big changeover with most of the growth going to easyjet.
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daz211. Good for you; well done. Now tell those of us on the continent where we can obtain a pre-paid CC or an electron card. I tried to buy a RYR CC and you have to be UK resident. Electron cards are like hen's teeth and tits on a frog. MOL, on TV, lauded those because they are available in IRE; not over here there not. I heard a German judge rule that the CC charge was illegal unless there was a free alternative. MOL said there was an electron free option, so he'd keep the CC charge. However, electron is NOT availabale in Germany or most continental countries. 70m pax at 6euros a pop = 420m euros into RYR's back pocket, minus a minute charge from said CC companies. More than the annual profit. One MD of a CC company said it was only a few censt to 'process' a purchase. RYR, and any other company, have their own printing press. Increase the charge by 1euro (mandatory for internet purchases) and wow. I doubt it will have any effect on sales. I see even EZ have doubled their CC charge and cancelled the free debit card charge. A debit card IS free; there is no charge, butg what a subtle boost to profits. In previous years RYR, whose debit card charge was 1/2 the CC charge, did not recognise my debit card and I had to call it a CC at twice the cost. EZ recognised it correctly. RYR gave no reply to my query. I know the argument is the bottom price, but the rage is caused by the feeling of being cheated. Why can't they be honest and just say the cost of travel is XYZ and admin, CC, checkin etc etc is all included? Only baggage is extra? With RYR I'm still trying to find out what the compulsary insurance is for. It's not travel/medical? And the wheel-chair levy... don't get me started.
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Ryanair no longer allow Electron as a free of fees option and haven't done so for a year
MasterCard Prepaid now FREE payment method
As for stating Electron not available in Germany that clearly is not the case.
Ryanair no longer allow Electron as a free of fees option and haven't done so for a year
MasterCard Prepaid now FREE payment method
As for stating Electron not available in Germany that clearly is not the case.
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So why can you not get a pre payed Mastercard, where do you live, I guess Germany as you state that a German judge ruled agenst the cc charge .. but a quick search on the web shows a pre payed Master card is available in germany.
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i live in spain and use Moneybookers prepaid mastercard....its based in the uk but as long as your a european resident you can apply, also have one with Netteller..
I have an electron card issued by Lloyds International and a german bank called Deutsche Bank.
All of them work with no problems and in fact saves me a fortune in fees!
I have an electron card issued by Lloyds International and a german bank called Deutsche Bank.
All of them work with no problems and in fact saves me a fortune in fees!
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End of the day I am not going to get an Electron card just because I have to have one to save a few quid on Ryanair, I simply factor in the additional cost when comparing prices. Seems to me such a big issue is being made out of this unescessarily.
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66 pax only ACE-CRL!!!
Okay there was a reason.
100 Passengers Offloaded from Lanzarote - Charleroi flight?
Must be up there for one of largest off-loads ever?
Any insider knowledge on this one? Nationality not stated.
Pete
100 Passengers Offloaded from Lanzarote - Charleroi flight?
Must be up there for one of largest off-loads ever?
Any insider knowledge on this one? Nationality not stated.
Pete