How does logbook data count toward requirements for airlines?
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How does logbook data count toward requirements for airlines?
Hello,
Before jumping to questions, I would like to introduce my background and what I am confusing regarding logbook entry.
I was an airlines pilot from Vietnam. I got my very first CPL ME/IR in Melbourne, AUS in 2009. I then came back to Vietnam and became airlines pilot until 2017. I have ATR72/B777/87 typed in my Vietnamses license for FO. I got 2 licenses at that time which I used my Vietnamese one to practice my privilieges. I logged most of my airlines experience with my vietnamese license, around 6000h.
In 2017, I quitted my job in Vietnam to move to the U.S. After a year being unemployed, I started to find a way to get my pilot job back here. At that time both of my licenses’s currency expired. However, I can ONLY revalidate my Australian license. I am unable to renew my Vietnamese license due to The Aviation Administration of Vietnam can only revalidate for pilots belonged to the airlines which I am not.
I am taking an atp type rating course at the moment, in order to transfer to FAA ATP.
And this is my serious question. If I use my Australian CPL to transfer to FAA ATP, do I have to consider only flight hours logged under this license to count toward total experience for FAA ATP(1500h) because I cant meet the requirement with this license. Can anyone who has been through this problem explain for me? I appreciate for any help.
Before jumping to questions, I would like to introduce my background and what I am confusing regarding logbook entry.
I was an airlines pilot from Vietnam. I got my very first CPL ME/IR in Melbourne, AUS in 2009. I then came back to Vietnam and became airlines pilot until 2017. I have ATR72/B777/87 typed in my Vietnamses license for FO. I got 2 licenses at that time which I used my Vietnamese one to practice my privilieges. I logged most of my airlines experience with my vietnamese license, around 6000h.
In 2017, I quitted my job in Vietnam to move to the U.S. After a year being unemployed, I started to find a way to get my pilot job back here. At that time both of my licenses’s currency expired. However, I can ONLY revalidate my Australian license. I am unable to renew my Vietnamese license due to The Aviation Administration of Vietnam can only revalidate for pilots belonged to the airlines which I am not.
I am taking an atp type rating course at the moment, in order to transfer to FAA ATP.
And this is my serious question. If I use my Australian CPL to transfer to FAA ATP, do I have to consider only flight hours logged under this license to count toward total experience for FAA ATP(1500h) because I cant meet the requirement with this license. Can anyone who has been through this problem explain for me? I appreciate for any help.
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Are you sure about that? Is there any regs that I can search for about this? Thanks anyways
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Minh,
Well, looks like once you get your FAA ATP squared away, you'll at least have the regional of your choice to get you back in the game and get some recent experience.
Do you have a 4-year university degree ?
Good luck in your efforts. Sounds like you're well on your way.
Well, looks like once you get your FAA ATP squared away, you'll at least have the regional of your choice to get you back in the game and get some recent experience.
Do you have a 4-year university degree ?
Good luck in your efforts. Sounds like you're well on your way.
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Minh,
Well, looks like once you get your FAA ATP squared away, you'll at least have the regional of your choice to get you back in the game and get some recent experience.
Do you have a 4-year university degree ?
Good luck in your efforts. Sounds like you're well on your way.
Well, looks like once you get your FAA ATP squared away, you'll at least have the regional of your choice to get you back in the game and get some recent experience.
Do you have a 4-year university degree ?
Good luck in your efforts. Sounds like you're well on your way.
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Yes I’m sure. I have dealt with dozens of foreigners doing license conversions to FAA. I have also converted my FAA certificate to another country. Accepting flight time from a foreign country has never been an issue.
Reference FAR 61.51. The FARs are very black and white. There is a reference to foreign license of foreign aircraft registration. There is no limitation on this except that the aircraft must be registered in an ICAO member state.
Reference FAR 61.51. The FARs are very black and white. There is a reference to foreign license of foreign aircraft registration. There is no limitation on this except that the aircraft must be registered in an ICAO member state.
(j)Aircraft requirements for logging flight time. For a person to log flight time, the time must be acquired in an aircraftthat is identified as an aircraftunder § 61.5(b), and is -
(1) An aircraft of U.S. registry with either a standard or special airworthiness certificate;
(2) An aircraft of foreign registry with an airworthiness certificate that is approved by the aviation authority of a foreign country that is a Member State to the Convention on International Civil Aviation Organization;
(1) An aircraft of U.S. registry with either a standard or special airworthiness certificate;
(2) An aircraft of foreign registry with an airworthiness certificate that is approved by the aviation authority of a foreign country that is a Member State to the Convention on International Civil Aviation Organization;
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Yes I’m sure. I have dealt with dozens of foreigners doing license conversions to FAA. I have also converted my FAA certificate to another country. Accepting flight time from a foreign country has never been an issue.
Reference FAR 61.51. The FARs are very black and white. There is a reference to foreign license of foreign aircraft registration. There is no limitation on this except that the aircraft must be registered in an ICAO member state.
Reference FAR 61.51. The FARs are very black and white. There is a reference to foreign license of foreign aircraft registration. There is no limitation on this except that the aircraft must be registered in an ICAO member state.
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If you look up the requirements under 14 CFR Part 61 you will find that all aircraft time counts towards a certificate of license.
Aircraft meaning anything that flies.
So if you have reliable records the FAA will accept your flight time.
Get records from your previous employers and from your type rating providers.
Aircraft meaning anything that flies.
So if you have reliable records the FAA will accept your flight time.
Get records from your previous employers and from your type rating providers.
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Minh, sorry to hear about your father. I have cleared my inbox so you should be able to send me a PM now. Send me you contact details and I can walk you through all the FAA requirements converting from a foreign license and then working for a regional.
From what you've posted already it sounds like a flight school is gouging you for money unnecessarily.
From what you've posted already it sounds like a flight school is gouging you for money unnecessarily.
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Minh, sorry to hear about your father. I have cleared my inbox so you should be able to send me a PM now. Send me you contact details and I can walk you through all the FAA requirements converting from a foreign license and then working for a regional.
From what you've posted already it sounds like a flight school is gouging you for money unnecessarily.
From what you've posted already it sounds like a flight school is gouging you for money unnecessarily.
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Minh, sorry to hear about your father. I have cleared my inbox so you should be able to send me a PM now. Send me you contact details and I can walk you through all the FAA requirements converting from a foreign license and then working for a regional.
From what you've posted already it sounds like a flight school is gouging you for money unnecessarily.
From what you've posted already it sounds like a flight school is gouging you for money unnecessarily.
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Hello,
Before jumping to questions, I would like to introduce my background and what I am confusing regarding logbook entry.
I was an airlines pilot from Vietnam. I got my very first CPL ME/IR in Melbourne, AUS in 2009. I then came back to Vietnam and became airlines pilot until 2017. I have ATR72/B777/87 typed in my Vietnamses license for FO. I got 2 licenses at that time which I used my Vietnamese one to practice my privilieges. I logged most of my airlines experience with my vietnamese license, around 6000h.
In 2017, I quitted my job in Vietnam to move to the U.S. After a year being unemployed, I started to find a way to get my pilot job back here. At that time both of my licenses’s currency expired. However, I can ONLY revalidate my Australian license. I am unable to renew my Vietnamese license due to The Aviation Administration of Vietnam can only revalidate for pilots belonged to the airlines which I am not.
I am taking an atp type rating course at the moment, in order to transfer to FAA ATP.
And this is my serious question. If I use my Australian CPL to transfer to FAA ATP, do I have to consider only flight hours logged under this license to count toward total experience for FAA ATP(1500h) because I cant meet the requirement with this license. Can anyone who has been through this problem explain for me? I appreciate for any help.
Before jumping to questions, I would like to introduce my background and what I am confusing regarding logbook entry.
I was an airlines pilot from Vietnam. I got my very first CPL ME/IR in Melbourne, AUS in 2009. I then came back to Vietnam and became airlines pilot until 2017. I have ATR72/B777/87 typed in my Vietnamses license for FO. I got 2 licenses at that time which I used my Vietnamese one to practice my privilieges. I logged most of my airlines experience with my vietnamese license, around 6000h.
In 2017, I quitted my job in Vietnam to move to the U.S. After a year being unemployed, I started to find a way to get my pilot job back here. At that time both of my licenses’s currency expired. However, I can ONLY revalidate my Australian license. I am unable to renew my Vietnamese license due to The Aviation Administration of Vietnam can only revalidate for pilots belonged to the airlines which I am not.
I am taking an atp type rating course at the moment, in order to transfer to FAA ATP.
And this is my serious question. If I use my Australian CPL to transfer to FAA ATP, do I have to consider only flight hours logged under this license to count toward total experience for FAA ATP(1500h) because I cant meet the requirement with this license. Can anyone who has been through this problem explain for me? I appreciate for any help.
I used to work for VNA as well and later I moved to Korea, All the hours you flew with VNA will count towards your total time. I hope you left VNA on good terms and one of the Chief Pilots can verify your hours. I had the licensing department within VNA give me a letter verifying total hours I flew with them. I also got a letter of reference from the Chief Pilot of Airbus fleet. If I were you I would get in touch with VNA to get the letters and a valid email address.
Good luck.
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To add to what zondaracer said. I did all my hours abroad and came to a regional in the US and convalidated my ATP the normal way via the FAA. The hours required per FAA do not specify what registration or country. Only needs to be recognized by ICAO.
