What ever happened to............"Train people well enough so they can leave, treat them well enough so they don't want to "

Complete change of senior leadership

BA is allowing applications from Ex UK CAA licence holders who hold an EASA ATPL and are eligible for the Conversion Pathway 3-6 to regain the UK licence. I’m guessing the LST on new Type will open the new UK licence somehow.

Does anyone know if VA are also allowing this?

Why take the time to state this on PPRUNE? This is an anon forum.

Sorry I don’t understand your statement.

Have I done something wrong? Happy to take a PM if you wish.

@NatZulu; not going to get drawn into it here but what is a fact is that the vast majority of pilots were offered re-employment, and a handful were not.

You and I can speculate on the ‘real’ reasons all day, and I am certain each case has individual circumstances, but it's also clear from your posts here, and those you’ve made on the other non-anonymous forums, that not everyone shares your interpretation of events or ‘facts’. But I’m sure you’ll get your day in court, and sincerely hope you find some closure as a result.

....the thing is that,with respect, I'm not "speculating" - you are. And that was my point.

And speculating with such accusatory narrative and in such a definative tone as your previous posting on the matter, without having the evidence in front of you, is contributory to the ongoing damage done to reputations of unfortunate victims of this fiasco. Hence my reply - intended not to "draw you in", but rather to correct unsubstantiated and incorrect stated "facts".

You are clearly aware I can substantiate my own comments as you seem to indicate that you know who I am!

I guess if only "a handful" did not get their jobs back then it is not too much of a concern to you. It may well be to others reading this, and certainly to the hundreds of previous colleagues (handful?!) that have court claims currently in the system.

And a handful were not ...
 

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Anyone remember how the CX Star Chamber selected the Forty-Niners ?

.... As long as I'm all right Jack

LFH

Complete rubbish….

Some of those not invited back had perfect performance records, had never spoken out against the company publicly or in private discussions.

The then head of flight crew management made a point of needing to stamp his authority on the pilots and an easy way to do that was to use the returning pathway to bully and intimidate.

There are people that didn’t return that are taking the company to court yes, but equally there are people that returned or even didn’t even leave that are taking similar action, look out for a few to be coming out into the public domain soon.

A good question to ask is why do virgin have to scream so loudly about how great they are? Why do they make a noise about hiring women, when they were more likely to be made redundant and not return. Why do they need to shout about how inclusive they are in LGBTQ areas?

Don’t believe any of the public shine and glamor, virgin is now only leading in the race to the bottom. Virgin has and will always be fur coat, no knickers!

By all means come and join us, but do it with your eyes open and an escape plan in mind for the next redundancy program, because it’s not a case of if but when….

Is it true Virgin Have suspended all flight crew training ?

Not that I have been made aware, but I just keep my head down and am just biding my time before I go to BA..

I would be highly surprised if that was the case as we have a continuous need to keep everyone current and in check…

Are you thinking new entries? That could be a possibility if they have a back log in recurrent…

Captains who were Board members/general members of an alternative pilot union who took previous industrial action in a recognition dispute - "failed" at interview.

Captain and local chair of BALPA council who oversaw the redundancy consultations, signed the "agreements" surrounding the process of redundancies, new pilot contracts, an industrial standstill agreement, new scheduling terms, and the re-employment process (that encompassed aforementioned interviews) - promoted to new Head of Flightcrew.


...facts, not "speculation"!

Perhaps Branson learned of a different way to treat people on Epstein’s island?

He has very little to do with it these days beyond getting wheeled out for inaugural flights

oh come on!

well he most likely did, on what is the question.

Escaping a sinking ship.
 

From the conference call today apparently some 28 resignations this month alone, that’s got to tell you something (if I got that wrong I’ll edit, was half asleep from a flight).

I’ve heard of people going to BA especially now they are taking direct to LH, Jet2, DHL ( didn’t know they were hiring again), some back to easy and the Sandpit. Everyone you speak to is looking and thinking of jumping. It’s partly from the t&c’s and work life balance but also lots still not sure it’s going to survive. They keep saying this is the year they make money…well how have we not with the loads and the ticket prices?

i don’t know how many new joiners we are getting month but I would be shocked if it’s close to that many. So the end result is already tired and fed up crews are going to be worked harder and get more tired and go sick and the circle repeats…
and to really inspire the troops the new head of flight crew pilot manager or whatever silly title he’s given himself gave us all an admonishment about the Christmas sickness….

numbers wise about 9% down on the f/o ranks for the foreseeable future and most likely staying bad as more bug out.

You definitely got that number wrong...

Is it more?don’t leave us in the dark…
So the general opinion is that VA is not a safe place to go right now as far as job security, rest, salary, variety of routes….so what’s left?
I’m having serious doubts.

Well seeing as the discipline department is fast approaching EK ruthlessness it’s probably not for me to share company communications in a public forum. But their quoted figure is a lot less than that (28/month in an airline of around 1000 pilots would be extremely significant and unrealistic… over 25%/year )

What’s left? Potentially a fast-ish LH command and you don’t have to wear a hat. Probably the best remaining perk is that when the doors are shut and LHR is left behind, it’s still a company filled with very talented, professional and fun loving colleagues to enjoy a day or 2 downroute with.