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OMAAbound 13th October 2019 08:08

LBA
 
I’m interested in a NTR DEC position at LBA, what are my chances of getting an LBA basing?

I have all the requirements, I’m just interested to find out if my base request would get accepted?

OMAA

Whitemonk Returns 13th October 2019 15:14

Very high chances. Not too many people are banging down the door to be based in LBA, the only slight complication you may have is this winter the 757 guys are all transfering onto the 737 which could create some training backlog but ultimately if that's what you want you will get it.

OMAAbound 13th October 2019 22:37


Originally Posted by Whitemonk Returns (Post 10593444)
Very high chances. Not too many people are banging down the door to be based in LBA, the only slight complication you may have is this winter the 757 guys are all transfering onto the 737 which could create some training backlog but ultimately if that's what you want you will get it.

Why aren’t guys keen on an LBA basing? I’d have thought it would have been one of The best bases of the selections?

OMAA

Whitemonk Returns 14th October 2019 08:10

I think you need to live relatively local to LBA due to the airports position with traffic etc and most likely will be from the area to have a desire to be based there long term. In comparison to MAN which has a much bigger catchment area and attracts people from further south. For example most internal 737 upgrades from MAN this winter will spend at least 6 months in LBA, before getting transferred back. Hence why I think LBA DEC will be available, subject to the training program mentioned above.

Cpt.Jason 19th October 2019 06:32

Jet2
 
I dont know what they are thinking at this point....
But I was widely open to their biggest bases across Uk; but still on the pool....

I hope they dont give priority to the TCX people; like them; they have to make a new TR also.

But the bad point here is they started to put on the emails that:
A position in our Pilot Hold Pool does not guarantee a job offer.

Then... I dont know why they want to spend time with people at the pool if they are going to take then into account....

It is waste of time and sometimes money for people...

Jason
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Whitemonk Returns 19th October 2019 07:33

The TCX guys will get priority, and they won't need a new type rating... Scrambling to have an Airbus fleet up and running by March,, acquisition of 14 aircraft ongoing

strobelighton 19th October 2019 10:23


Originally Posted by Whitemonk Returns (Post 10598154)
The TCX guys will get priority, and they won't need a new type rating... Scrambling to have an Airbus fleet up and running by March,, acquisition of 14 aircraft ongoing

What is the source of these rumours? Where will the aircraft be based? I have searched high and low and there is no information even hinting at this. I can't see why they would/should prioritise the TCX guys when they have a hold pool full of people equally qualified (and some with type ratings on airbus... hence the application for non TR), who are also available to start at short notice.

back to Boeing 19th October 2019 10:35


Originally Posted by strobelighton (Post 10598278)
What is the source of these rumours? Where will the aircraft be based? I have searched high and low and there is no information even hinting at this. I can't see why they would/should prioritise the TCX guys when they have a hold pool full of people equally qualified (and some with type ratings on airbus... hence the application for non TR), who are also available to start at short notice.

Maybe easy SOP wise. Jet2 have no recent experience of airbus. Transport the TCX crews and their SOP’s. Get their trainers in. And their manuals. That makes it significantly easier for the training department. And go to the authority with a ready made package which makes it all quicker to approve.

I have no insider knowledge by the way. I’m just stating one reason why TCX crews may be prioritised over others.

763 jock 19th October 2019 10:58

This is already happening.

rotorwills 19th October 2019 14:28

Jet2 are in a holding position. There is no available 737 in the market. No one has any idea as to when the MAX will fly again and so the squeeze on aircraft is getting tighter. The wet lease of Airbus is a pretty standard proposition to cover their schedules. At this moment everything is on hold. Not the only guys in the business to be reacting this way,

Johnny F@rt Pants 19th October 2019 14:49

Maybe those TCX pilots can write a coherent sentence in English using correct grammar.

763 jock 19th October 2019 15:42


Originally Posted by rotorwills (Post 10598419)
Jet2 are in a holding position. There is no available 737 in the market. No one has any idea as to when the MAX will fly again and so the squeeze on aircraft is getting tighter. The wet lease of Airbus is a pretty standard proposition to cover their schedules. At this moment everything is on hold. Not the only guys in the business to be reacting this way,

You are talking rubbish. Some folks already have start dates for the Airbus on a Jet2 contract.

CEJM 19th October 2019 15:43

Cpt Jason, are you employed at this moment in time? If so, what is your notice period?

Thanks.

Cpt.Jason 19th October 2019 17:22

Yes. Working as a FO.

Notice is 92 days (3 months period)

Jason

CEJM 19th October 2019 18:29


Originally Posted by Cpt.Jason (Post 10598523)
Yes. Working as a FO.

Notice is 92 days (3 months period)

Jason

Good, then maybe you should show a bit of sympathy towards the TCX pilots. I see that you have removed your previous post in which you called them “these people”. Just be aware that the TCX pilots lost their jobs through no fault of their own. That a company gives them priority over other pilots who are in the hold pool but who are employed is good.

I understand that it is very frustrating for anybody in the hold pool but consider yourself lucky that you have a job. The TCX pilots have no idea when they find a job or if they can provide food on the table for their families.

It is very fortunate that you haven’t got the same issues ad the TCX pilots are facing at the moment. It something you only truly appreciate when you have been made redundant. I have been there 2 years ago and I am very grateful that some companies gave priority to us.

I know that you probably disagree with me but I am glad that the Jet2 management agrees.

rotorwills 19th October 2019 19:16


Originally Posted by 763 jock (Post 10598472)
You are talking rubbish. Some folks already have start dates for the Airbus on a Jet2 contract.


If you say so Mike then that's fine, as you certainly nailed the TC happenings we see.

Cpt.Jason 20th October 2019 01:12

Jet2
 

Originally Posted by CEJM (Post 10598555)


Good, then maybe you should show a bit of sympathy towards the TCX pilots. I see that you have removed your previous post in which you called them “these people”. Just be aware that the TCX pilots lost their jobs through no fault of their own. That a company gives them priority over other pilots who are in the hold pool but who are employed is good.

I understand that it is very frustrating for anybody in the hold pool but consider yourself lucky that you have a job. The TCX pilots have no idea when they find a job or if they can provide food on the table for their families.

It is very fortunate that you haven’t got the same issues ad the TCX pilots are facing at the moment. It something you only truly appreciate when you have been made redundant. I have been there 2 years ago and I am very grateful that some companies gave priority to us.

I know that you probably disagree with me but I am glad that the Jet2 management agrees.




Yes.

I completely disagree.

You dont know my situation; or even if I had the same situation as the Tcx before.

When I said "these people" I didnt make it in a bad way.

But; If the company have a pool... Why they have to give them priority?

And yes; I was also in a company that closed allmost one year ago.....

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Antonio Montana 20th October 2019 08:02

So lets get this straight,
Jet 2 have purchased some Airbus's, but not bothered to make it public.
They are currently recruiting for type rated Airbus Crew, but not bothered to make it public.
Are they using the power of telepathy? or hoping pprune will do the job for them?
I see on the Airlines forum, there is confirmation that Jet 2 have bought some Airbus's, because there are seat maps in Airbus config, disregarding the small truth of Wet Leasing from Titan, Air Europa etc over the years.
They don't call this a Rumour Network for nothing

Cpt.Jason 20th October 2019 08:46

jet2
 
From my point of view, I think this is unfair with people we are at the pool....

Council Van 20th October 2019 08:59


Originally Posted by Cpt.Jason (Post 10598923)
From my point of view, I think this is unfair with people we are at the pool....

Well come to aviation, I spent 3 years in the hold pool for a well known freight operator, half that time was on the dole as well, whilst they had a change of direction and took on a load of cadets. They even wrote to me saying that I would be on the next course and then changed their mind. I did eventually work for them for a while.

BA had people in the pool and then kicked them out and made them re-apply a few years back.

At least you are earning, I was close to loosing my house during the last recession as my mortgage protection insurance was about to end before I got fished out by the above mentioned freight operator.

macdo 20th October 2019 10:00


Originally Posted by Cpt.Jason (Post 10598923)
From my point of view, I think this is unfair with people we are at the pool....

I'm sorry to say but you need to grow up a bit. The airline industry has never been fair, and the lower down the ladder you are, the less fair it is. This is not new. It has always been and always will be, like this. In fact, I struggle to imagine an industry which is less fair to its staff. The fact that the industry is trying to help the tcx pilots (while, of course, expanding into the gap that TC has created) is quite uplifting, but I am not fooled into thinking that it is altruism!

Thepirate 20th October 2019 10:40

The tcx pilots getting called first is completely fair. A hold pool is not a first in first served situation. Assuming they dip their toes in the pool and are called up straight away is because they have the skills and experience J2 need now. They will not call a low timer over a seasoned Captain. That is fair. (Unless specifically thats what they need)

If someone has similar/same experience ratings etc as another and is called after a shorter time thats where you complain. Just because you filled in the application sooner than another does not make you a better candidate.

that being said jason I know its horrible waiting, hang in there. This is all complete speculation tbh at the moment.

OutsideCAS 20th October 2019 11:38


From my point of view, I think this is unfair with people we are at the pool....
I can understand this line of thinking in your position although as others have suggested, this has nothing to do with fairness or time of application but more to do with what J2 needs as a business. And there is the crux in that like all airlines, this is a business.

By the same method above it is also true to say that if the situation is felt to be that unfair - maybe to be congruent with ones-self it may be better to remove the application from the hold pool and move your efforts to another employer?. Because this is a business there should never be any loyalty to one company alone i would suggest (which may sound harsh). Why? of course we have to remember that in any downturn there is no reciprocal feeling from an employer - they will shed employees as quickly as possible without any feeling of remorse.

Cpt.Jason 22nd October 2019 22:02

Jet2
 
From the others Jet2 forum here


A321’s for next summer
Ground crew for Jet2 have just received an internal communication which mentions 7x A321’s for next year based at BHX and MAN. I’m sure there will be a statement soon from the company


7 Airbus 321 initially..... And more comming maybe

OMAAbound 23rd October 2019 00:02


Originally Posted by Cpt.Jason (Post 10601024)
From the others Jet2 forum here


A321’s for next summer
Ground crew for Jet2 have just received an internal communication which mentions 7x A321’s for next year based at BHX and MAN. I’m sure there will be a statement soon from the company


7 Airbus 321 initially..... And more comming maybe

Ex-TCX Aircraft one would suspect

OMAA

Lepo 23rd October 2019 06:41

British carrier Jet2.com in summer 2020 season plans to introduce Airbus A321 aircraft on additional routes, replacing 737-800. As of 11OCT19, planned additional A321 service as follows.

Birmingham – Kos eff 04MAY20 1 weekly (Overall 2 weekly)
London Stansted – Corfu 22JUL20 – 26AUG20 1 weekly (Overall 5 weekly)
London Stansted – Kefallinia 27MAY20 – 16SEP20 1 weekly (Overall 2 weekly)

British carrier Jet2.com earlier this month begin Airbus A321 operations at Manchester, currently scheduled for the month of October 2019. In summer 2020, the A321 will be operating various routes on regular basis, including the following.

Manchester – Antalya eff 30APR20 1 weekly (2 weekly from 26MAY20, 4 weekly 01JUL20 – 25SEP20)
Manchester – Bodrum eff 02OCT20 1 weekly
Manchester – Gran Canaria/Las Palmas eff 06JUL20 1 weekly
Manchester – Kos 26JUN20 – 25SEP20 1 weekly
Manchester – Lanzarote eff 29SEP20 1 weekly
Manchester – Reus 26JUN20 – 21SEP20 1 weekly
Manchester – Rhodes eff 04JUL20 1 weekly

Cpt.Jason 26th October 2019 06:15

Any news on the pool???

Still no information (email) regarding the pool since first week of September.....


Mr Good Cat 26th October 2019 09:31


Originally Posted by Cpt.Jason (Post 10603647)
Any news on the pool???

Still no information (email) regarding the pool since first week of September.....

There are only a couple of recruitment officers tasked with email updates and they’ll be flat out with the sudden requirement to find an extra 7 airbuses-worth of crews (with more airbuses to come).

Don’t take it personally. If you’re not rated on B737 or A320 you probably won’t be a priority due to the fact that you’ll take up more capacity in the sim and on line training.

Just hang in there and your time will come. Expansion won’t stop for a few years so there’ll be opportunities still.

student88 26th October 2019 21:00

Please can someone remind me, didn't the Thomas Cook pilots vote against direct entry commands?

Cpt.Jason 27th October 2019 02:30

Really?

They made that vote before?

Well... we have to wait, I know.... but the waiting period without information is the worst thing someone can have....

Time is running

Thanks anyway¡¡

Cole Burner 27th October 2019 15:21


Originally Posted by student88 (Post 10604120)
Please can someone remind me, didn't the Thomas Cook pilots vote against direct entry commands?

No, they didn't, and quite frankly asking the question this way is just !!!!! stirring.

The question of direct entry commands at Thomas Cook never arose as there were always both sufficient high quality SFOs ready for promotion and training capacity to promote from within, in the required timescale.

Meester proach 27th October 2019 20:14

Some companies do them ( mainly in massive expansion ), some don’t.

Obviously any FO/ SFO already in a company will be displeased.....but airlines exist to try and make money, they don’t give a damn about your career path

Johnny F@rt Pants 28th October 2019 07:58


Obviously any FO/ SFO already in a company will be displeased.....but airlines exist to try and make money, they don’t give a damn about your career path
Jet2 have always needed to take DEC’s, however promotion from within is always prioritised. Any SFO who has the required experience and has put themselves forward will be given their opportunity before a DEC.

rotorwills 28th October 2019 08:29


Originally Posted by Johnny F@rt Pants (Post 10604962)


Jet2 have always needed to take DEC’s, however promotion from within is always prioritised. Any SFO who has the required experience and has put themselves forward will be given their opportunity before a DEC.

Not so. I know this is not always the case.

Johnny F@rt Pants 28th October 2019 10:56


Not so. I know this is not always the case.
I will have to respectfully disagree. I know some people believe they have been usurped by DEC’s, but there will have been a reason, whether that be that someone wants a particular base, or whether it is down to training records etc etc.

Daily Dalaman Dave 28th October 2019 13:36


Originally Posted by Cpt.Jason (Post 10604857)
Sufficient high quality SFOs

I hope you were trying to say high QUALIFIED SFO...... not qualiTy FO.

If not, I dont knwo WHY they, EX-Tcx, must have "HELP" to find a new Job if they are SOOOOOO good pilots and they had Sooooo high quality..... Why they need help and they need Direct Entry jobs???

Your sentence is amazing

Crikey, someone has taken a bitter pill

2 Whites 2 Reds 28th October 2019 14:04


Originally Posted by Cpt.Jason (Post 10604857)
Sufficient high quality SFOs

I hope you were trying to say high QUALIFIED SFO...... not qualiTy FO.

If not, I dont knwo WHY they, EX-Tcx, must have "HELP" to find a new Job if they are SOOOOOO good pilots and they had Sooooo high quality..... Why they need help and they need Direct Entry jobs???

Your sentence is amazing

Were you pissed when you wrote this utter garbage?

macdo 28th October 2019 16:42

Don't feed the Troll:=

clvf88 28th October 2019 17:50


Originally Posted by 2 Whites 2 Reds (Post 10605162)
Were you pissed when you wrote this utter garbage?

:D I had the same thought!!!

CABUS 28th October 2019 20:53

This comment reminds me of something a nurse said to me once while I was having an injection. It went along the lines of “just a little.....”



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