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Professor Plum 3rd August 2019 08:53

Just out of interest, what is the formula for factorising?

For example if someone had turboprop hours.

Many thanks.

simmple 3rd August 2019 15:45


Originally Posted by AIMINGHIGH123 (Post 10535688)


Interesting. I just looked up on my UK tax app.
If your salary goes from 100k to 120k you only gain £7600 take home a year. An extra £633 a month. That is shocking!!!


Thats why doctors have stopped working extra hours and I went part time!

Uplinker 3rd August 2019 16:36

To the OP,

Have you considered freighter flying?

West Atlantic are a fantastic little company, with a BFS presence, and they fly a 7 on, 7 off roster. 737-300 and -400 freighters, carrying ULDs with -800 freighters coming on line. They work for Royal Mail, DHL and FED Ex.
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Byrne11 4th August 2019 11:01

I’m going to call down to the Jet2 Roadshow in EMA, what should I expect?

Is it a PowerPoint demonstration every so often or just a brief chat?


VinRouge 4th August 2019 20:47


Originally Posted by simmple (Post 10535808)



Thats why doctors have stopped working extra hours and I went part time!

also due to annual and lifetime pensions allowances.

Boomers have a lot to answer for, with 8% of GDP going on the state pension.

olster 4th August 2019 21:03

Please enlighten us as to how ‘boomers have a lot to answer for’ when they have contributed tax and NI for a career lifetime generally 35 years or so in order to receive the worst state pension in Europe. Utter unmitigated bollox.

Back to the point: Jet2 is an expanding and highly successful airline. They have not threatened or actually made employees redundant to my knowledge and in my experience are a refreshing change to the usual airline profile. They have recently shared out some of their profit to staff. All good in my view.

VinRouge 5th August 2019 10:38


Originally Posted by olster (Post 10536719)
Please enlighten us as to how ‘boomers have a lot to answer for’ when they have contributed tax and NI for a career lifetime generally 35 years or so in order to receive the worst state pension in Europe. Utter unmitigated bollox.

Sorry, the FACTS don't stand up to the above.

You will have paid on average, as a percentage of GDP, far far less than what future working generations are currently and will pay. Typical boomer paid in the region of 4-7% of GDP maximum during their working lives. Look at what future generations are now facing due to you lot, insisting on triple lock protection of the state pension, despite seeing the biggest growth in net wealth of any other age demographic in our society and owning the majority of property wealth. The current level of pensions spending isnt covered by NI and income tax combined. Plus, you will retire likely 5+ years before the current tranche of middle aged working people will, whilst the rest of us will be worked to death into an early grave to pay for what you think you deserve.

Bearing in mind UK military spending is actually under 2% of GDP, education slightly more, infrastructure far less, your generation are bleeding the country and the future wealth providers dry. Simply put, you didn't put enough in the pot to pay for your current demands.

Not to forget that despite benefiting from EU membership most of your working lives, decided as an age group to screw later generations further by voting for Brexit. With the back up of final salary pensions and a gold plated state pension which means you have no concerns for what the drop in national income will have for unemployment, professional development and future social care.

Thanks a lot.

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DooblerChina 5th August 2019 11:06

At least you’re not bitter about it.

olster 5th August 2019 11:10

This thread is about Jet2. Nobody is interested in your misinformed drivel.

VinRouge 5th August 2019 12:54


Originally Posted by olster (Post 10537202)
This thread is about Jet2. Nobody is interested in your misinformed drivel.

facts please?

DooblerChina 5th August 2019 21:32


Originally Posted by VinRouge (Post 10537266)

facts please?

Fact 1, The title of a thread dictates what the discussion on that particular thread concerns.
Fact 2, Thread creep occurs when a particular thread veers in a direction that the original creator of the thread didn’t intend.
Fact 3, Thread creep often starts when a particular poster has a bee in their bonnet about a particular subject and is determined to make their point even no one is interested.

Helpful?

MrZed 7th August 2019 10:32

Hello folks! Looking at anyone within Jet 2 that could enlighten me on this one.

Recently went through selection and managed to get to the sim - just received an email saying I have passed the sim assesment, but I'm now in a hold pool but no final decision has been made.

Does this mean they are trying to organise bits and bobs before committing to TR dates / class sizes etc or because there will now be an influx of applications from a certain 737 operator who are potentially letting people go?

Spoken to a few of my jet 2 buddies and they weren't aware a hold pool existed.

Any insight would be appreciated!

Whitemonk Returns 8th August 2019 07:30

Hold pool Q
 
Normal procedure, they will just be figuring out what course dates line up with your notice period with where you are going to be based, depending on which fleet etc

I wouldn't expect much of a delay, 73 courses are running all year round and 75 courses will start up again over the winter

MrZed 8th August 2019 15:06


Originally Posted by Whitemonk Returns (Post 10539813)
Normal procedure, they will just be figuring out what course dates line up with your notice period with where you are going to be based, depending on which fleet etc

I wouldn't expect much of a delay, 73 courses are running all year round and 75 courses will start up again over the winter

Thanks for responding. Hopefully won't be too long.

larryboy 8th August 2019 17:44

Hi folks! I am just wondering does anybody know how do Jet2 pay employees in Euro bases. I am tentatively exploring the Alicante base 737 DEC option.
Do you guys n gals know if the salary is paid in Euro, on local taxes, or paid in sterling, or paid in sterling with fixed exchange rate, for example?
TIA, best regards!

100knots 17th August 2019 13:16

Guys I’d just like to bump larryboys questions please.

also any thoughts on whether ALC is safe post brexit assuming a hard brexit happens


Johnny F@rt Pants 17th August 2019 18:25

I’m pretty sure it’s paid in Euros, with local taxes applicable. If you are a U.K. expat that there is something called Beckham Tax I believe that memes the tax rate very preferential.

I cant see the ALC base being under threat post Brexit, the only flights operated from there are to the U.K.

Cpt.Jason 18th August 2019 06:18

Jet2
 
I dont know what will happen with them post Hard Brexit; but they actually REMOVED any Spanish Vacancy (PMI and ALC) from their career website few days ago....

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DCT_ELSIR 2nd September 2019 18:01

Please could someone provide the latest typical summer/winter take-home pay figures for a NTR FO and SFO at the MAN base? Is promotion to SFO automatic, and how long after joining does this happen assuming joining with a decent amount of experience?

Any nightstops or working out of base?

Thanks.

strobelighton 10th September 2019 16:49

Wait time in holding pool
 
Hi all, I passed the Jet2 selection in June and was told that I was being placed in a holding pool pending a final decision. For people who have been in a similar situation, does anyone have any idea how long one remains in the holding pool and whether Jet2 are still actively recruiting non type rated guys?

highfive 11th September 2019 16:54

“ Pending a final descision” doesn’t sound like you have passed everytheng then? J2 did alot of recruitment assessment days this year, and are still recruiting, for all seats, both none & rated. Wether they need so many who knows.
Looks like its going to be a rather large pool thats filling rapidly.


MrZed 12th September 2019 08:09

J2 Hold Pool
 
Received an email yesterday along the lines of "still very much being considered" but no guarantee of a job. My assesment was late July.

Cpt.Jason 12th September 2019 19:41

I made my interview end of February....

Still waiting at the pool....

banterbus 16th September 2019 21:17

To those that are waiting in the pool, I think your basing preference can sometimes have something to do with it. I was completely flexible and was offered a course within a month of attending selection, however not at my first choice base. The only reason people have waited so long has either been as a result of this or the candidate's availability; this information is clearly caveated by my very limited experience!

strobelighton 18th September 2019 08:36

If I may ask, when did you complete the selection?

Skysurfer1 20th September 2019 01:55

I am in the hold pool since mid July. I keep getting emails but no date for a course. Do you think those with Type ratings and those bailing from Ryan Air could be getting in before non type rated people like myself??

I never got the 14 day answer, just to say that I was in the pool..still swimming.

highfive 23rd September 2019 08:22

Passing the assessment day is the minimum requirement. Flight ops management then asses the applicants in order of suitability. Based on rated/ none rated, current experience , uk licence , currency and training costs.

If you manage to tick all these boxes, then it’s usually a month or so to be offered a course. Otherwise it depends on who has joined the pool afterwards.
Some guys never get an answer, despite having passed the assessment day and met the benchmark requirements.

Dont forget, the guys n gals doing the assessment are not the ones who make the decisions . Its still the same old HR , and ultimately the most cost effective candidate will usually be successful.


Reversethrustset 23rd September 2019 21:21

I've been in the DEC hold pool for well over a year with not even a sniff of a chance of a course. Strange considering they were actively recruiting for the bases I chose. Who knows what their criteria is.

Cpt.Jason 24th September 2019 08:23

jet2
 
And what happened finally?

Did they call you? They gave you the base you wanted?

Did you refuse to join?

Thx

Jason

Reversethrustset 29th September 2019 20:11

Nothing happened, as I stated above I'm still in the hood pool.

Cpt.Jason 30th September 2019 06:27

From my concern.... Is bad time now for people being at the pool now... They are making road shows for TCX people but no information or even a call to us being at the pool waiting to start.

I think they will give priority to these people from TCX unfortunately

highfive 30th September 2019 17:01

Its normal companies prioratise those newapplicants. If you are still in the hold pool after more than 6 months, I feel you won’t be selected. The pool is for those who are not selected after interview

strobelighton 30th September 2019 21:35

Ignore the above. Prioritising new applicants? If you are in the pool you havent been selected? What utter nonsense... If you hadn't met the criteria they wouldn't bother wasting your or their time. They'd just tell you that your application was not successful.

As a previous poster above has stated, the pool is standard procedure whilst they work out course dates and base allocation, At the moment i suspect they have a great deal of forward thinking to do with potential Brexit and the unfortunate demise of Thomas cook...

sadly if you read highfives post history he/she seems to troll most posts asking about airline selections and making people fear the worst... I'd disregard the negativity and try and stay positive.

Reversethrustset 1st October 2019 01:28

Agree, strobelightson. They've been very informative since being in the pool. If I bid far and wide for bases I would've had a start date ages ago but I'm after one base in particular and its very popular hence why I'm still in the pool. No stress for me, I already have a job so I'm not desperate :-)

Cpt.Jason 1st October 2019 05:04

Jet2
 
Got it.

In wich base are you interested Reversethrustset??

As a FO I am still waiting for a start date for NTR people.

Let's see what happen after Brexit and TCX people roadshows....

We will stay waiting

highfive 1st October 2019 20:14

[QUOTE=strobelighton;10583449]Ignore the above.


So if the pool is such a great place to be, why would Jet2’s fwd thinking regds the failure thomas cook make the slightest bit of difference? It will.

You imply that once the assesments are passed, a job offer will follow.
NOT true! The J2 pool is a collection of applicants that have passed the and reached minimum level set by J2. Thats it.
Many pass their assesment days, but never start. Why? Well because another candidate is more suitable, wether rated, chooses the base that’s recruiting, or simply scored higher in the assesment.

I never understand why companies feel they want to attract those who are only showing interest in their company simply because they are unemployed. The guys in a pool have chosen to join that airline, not because they have limited options, but because they want to work there.and are prepared to leave current employment to join their next career step.

How many TC guys applied to J2 a year or two ago? How many ridiculed the multi sector J2 roster, while they jetted off to the caribbean? “Were off on holiday, cant believe you are doing those crazy summer rosters, with no layovers. or lays “

Ps Ive no idea what a troll is .








highfive 1st October 2019 20:29

In 2016 I posted this re Thomas Cook.

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Unless you are a low hour wannabe , it would be a brave move to join TC with the likelihood of significant downward corrections in the european leisure travel business. Read contraction.

strobelighton 1st October 2019 21:33



So if the pool is such a great place to be, why would Jet2’s fwd thinking regds the failure thomas cook make the slightest bit of difference? It will.

You imply that once the assesments are passed, a job offer will follow.
NOT true! The J2 pool is a collection of applicants that have passed the and reached minimum level set by J2. Thats it.
Many pass their assesment days, but never start. Why? Well because another candidate is more suitable, wether rated, chooses the base that’s recruiting, or simply scored higher in the assesment.
Nobody said it was 'great'... Logically it would make the difference because the goalposts have moved with regards to fleet size, bases, passenger numbers in different areas, future plans....and subsequently how many pilots they need and where. A lot to think about suddenly, so sifting through CVs might be put on the back burner...

I never implied a job offer would follow, However your post suggests that any people in the holding pool have somehow probably been 'passed over', which is simply and factually not the case, if it meant one had failed in some way they simply wouldn't go to the trouble to leave a candidate 'hanging on'... what would be the point in that for anyone involved?

Without knowing the individuals involved, I'm not sure it is an accurate statement to make a sweeping generalisation about someone's employment prospects or whether they have been successful at selection based on a few sentences on pprune where they are ultimately seeking reassurance, and haven't posted anything to suggest otherwise.

The game is hard and uncertain enough without people needlessly fanning the flames of doubt.


I suppose companies show interest as they have the pick of a large group of experienced pilots, available to start with very little notice, which makes life easy from a planning point of view... but I'm sure they'll have to go through the selection just like everybody else... and maybe end up in a hold pool whilst they coordinate who is going to fit where? Or does everyone they interview just start immediately the day after?



In 2016 I posted this re Thomas Cook.

Unless you are a low hour wannabe , it would be a brave move to join TC with the likelihood of significant downward corrections in the european leisure travel business. Read contraction
whilst you are on a roll.... I don't suppose you have the winning numbers for this weeks lottery? :}

highfive 2nd October 2019 16:53

Strobe, fair points you make. I would add there is a post earlier who says they've been in the pool for a long while, a year? I would not hold out too much if this was me.

The TC guys are all Airbus, J2 prefer Boeing, but lets see. They interviewed a whole load of pilots over the last 3 months, will be interesting to see how many offers are made, and if TC guys jump the queue.

Gotta go, Heading out to the Lotto now....

Whitemonk Returns 2nd October 2019 18:12

I know guys who were in the hold pool a year and got jobs and I know guys who were TR and got early release from previous employers and were on a course two weeks later. I would suggest if you have been in the pool that long to give them a ring, they are friendly enough and at least it reminds them you are there.

I don't know exactly what goes into the decision on who gets a course and when but I believe it is based on how well you scored overall through the process and your base/fleet preferences matching up to the dates of the courses they have scheduled. There is also a matrix that exists whereby someone who has more than 500 HR jet time will get priority over someone who doesn't. For example if you are a TR DEC looking for a STN base I would imagine they would bite your arm off as opposed to a NTR low hour FO who is only willing to move to ALC.

Boeing vs Airbus makes no difference if NTR, same time to complete a full TR.


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