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Originally Posted by vrb03kt
(Post 10293926)
That's not really a fair or accurate portrayal of life at TUI. Perhaps there's a reason there aren't threads and threads on pprune bemoaning it?
they don't moan about it publicly because it is discouraged by the union |
forgot to mention crew control rostering you for a night in a hotel at your home base so you can take full advantage of reduced rest
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I don’t recognise any of that moaning as the TUI that I work for. Just goes to show I suppose you can’t please all the people all of the time. And as for the union discouraging moaning I have never heard or seen that mentioned anywhere ever. |
Originally Posted by hec7or
(Post 10293996)
no, not accurate at all, he forgot to mention the summer mayhem, early flights followed by late flights and back to earlies in the same week, 7 days on 2 off, delays caused by a shortage of ramp staff, no pushback crew, no aircraft steps on arrival, missing passengers, missed ATC slots, crappy hotels, roster changed every day, fatigue reports, discretion reports, but plenty of time sat in traffic on the M1,M18, M6, M25, M23 to reflect on how disorganised the operation at TUI is in the summer.
they don't moan about it publicly because it is discouraged by the union A fairly slanderous post! |
Originally Posted by hec7or
(Post 10293996)
no, not accurate at all, he forgot to mention the summer mayhem, early flights followed by late flights and back to earlies in the same week, 7 days on 2 off, delays caused by a shortage of ramp staff, no pushback crew, no aircraft steps on arrival, missing passengers, missed ATC slots, crappy hotels, roster changed every day, fatigue reports, discretion reports, but plenty of time sat in traffic on the M1,M18, M6, M25, M23 to reflect on how disorganised the operation at TUI is in the summer.
they don't moan about it publicly because it is discouraged by the union |
Originally Posted by hec7or
(Post 10293996)
no, not accurate at all, he forgot to mention the summer mayhem, early flights followed by late flights and back to earlies in the same week, 7 days on 2 off, delays caused by a shortage of ramp staff, no pushback crew, no aircraft steps on arrival, missing passengers, missed ATC slots, crappy hotels, roster changed every day, fatigue reports, discretion reports, but plenty of time sat in traffic on the M1,M18, M6, M25, M23 to reflect on how disorganised the operation at TUI is in the summer.
they don't moan about it publicly because it is discouraged by the union Only time I’ve ever had 7 days on is being down route on a beach somewhere on a weeks trip. Crappy hotels? Only ever stayed in 4/5 star hotels (again as per union agreements governing hotel quality although some down-route are all-inclusive). Roster changes do occasionally occur but changes are only allowed within a two hour window of original duty (union rule again). Discretion? Yes occasionally asked by crewing, some crew say no and no questions ever asked. Yes quite often spend time in company transport on said motorways e.g to and from LGW/MAN if trip finishes at a different base to where you started but transport is always a luxury coach with reclining seats, plenty of room, WiFi etc... Yes the company does have it’s moments but unlike most UK airlines now days, still bears a fair degree of resemblance to its former legacy self. Although sadly I fear it will be the likes of the low-cost empire that will put an end to this. |
Id doubt that to be true as they need lots of pilots for all seats however the training season is in full swing now as line training is once again starting to make my roster nice and quiet, so that could possibly be a reason if found to be true.
A nice quiet winter and then i'm out of here as I'm not having another summer like this one. |
as I'm not having another summer like this one |
People have been messing around with PPJN for the last few months, I wouldn't put much credence into anything written on there, seems like someone with an axe to grind is just making things up and consistently posting on that site.
For example the Captain basic salary is now incorrect as is the pension rate for FOs. |
I've been in the DEC hold pool since August with not so much as a sniff of a phone call with a start date, not even a start date to get online by the summer next year, they can't be that desperate.
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Out of curiosity. What is the status of Jet2 after Brexit if it does become a hard exit resulting in a no deal scenario. All the big UK airlines (Virgin, easyJet, ThomasCook, TUI) seem to be planning for the worse case scenario making sure they meet both the EU and UK ownership rules if they aren’t already meeting these rules. I’m baffled that the general mood seems to be that things will work out fine. However what if they don’t and in order to enjoy the same freedoms you need to fullfill the EU/UK ownership rules, as far as I’m aware Jet2/Dartgroup seems to be pretty much 100% UK owned at the moment. |
Originally Posted by whitemonk
(Post 10322102)
People have been messing around with PPJN for the last few months, I wouldn't put much credence into anything written on there, seems like someone with an axe to grind is just making things up and consistently posting on that site.
For example the Captain basic salary is now incorrect as is the pension rate for FOs. |
Not exactly true either though, there is a bunch of nonsense on that page, for reference the FO pension rate is 8%. The rumoured merger with Air Tanker makes no sense either. I do wonder sometimes who edits that site as it seems any random person is able to post whatever they like.
BRS/CWL/BCN bases in 2019? Possible but all highly unlikely, particularly the latter, FAO and AGP will come first if at all, also how would they have any of them crewed by summer 19? |
Does anyone have any info on what a 50% Captain position would be in terms of work pattern? Would you still be 100% over the summer months with majority of the time off over the winter?
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Off the top of my head. Unless it’s changed, the only options when joining are 70%/100% contracts. We then get offered optional winter leave each year, where you can take upto 5 months off at 50% pay and various other options if you want to. But it is always full time in summer. I believe 70% you do full time in peak period, then from October you work a max of 10 days I think, then november/december off then max 10 days in Jan/Feb/Mar. That might not be completely accurate but it roughly works like that. |
A quote from the recent BALPA newsletter.
We highlighted those airlines who have made small but welcome improvements to their maternity package (easyJet, DHL, Thomas Cook, AirTanker) and also those who have refused so far to engage or, even worse, have already rejected our claim for improvements (Jet2).
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Originally Posted by richardthethird
(Post 10436430)
Thanks. So just to confirm - there are definitely no part time options that provide year round part time working patterns (I.e. in the summer as well as the winter) such as 3 on, 1 off, 75%? Ta. As with most part time options (not the winter leave options) you will have to apply and or negotiate. |
There are old contracts out there where guys have year round 6 on/8 off. But these aren’t being offered anymore as far as I am aware. |
Also be careful with the part-time contracts being offered getting a few months off in the winter. It at least used to be that, and I believe still is the case, the parttime pilots with a few months off in the winter do almost as many hours on an annual basis as the fulltime pilots. So part time pay for pretty much as many annual hours as your full time colleagues.
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Looking for some information folks.
I’m a second year FO at the big 738 operator in Europe, based in MAN. Looking at Jet2 the past few months. I’d like to go back to Belfast, I’m wondering what the chances are off getting the base you want particularly that one. Also how many years to command? Finally is it true the training department can be an interesting day out... |
Chances of getting BFS base - not sure, but Jet2 have a habit of getting people to where they want to be ASAP.
How many years to Command - you need a minimum of 3000 hours (factorised). Dependent on your base this will take you another 2-4 years. You must also be capable of jumping through the necessary hoops, hoops that you are trained to jump through before you face them. Interesting day out with the training department - I hope so, I always try to make it interesting:}. Being one of the Trainers I would say no, but I’m biased, some people might think so, but it usually them that makes our lives interesting rather than the other way round, they like to blame us though. |
Is that 3000 hours at the company? Ah I’m speaking to the right man then! Haha |
Is that 3000 hours at the company |
I’ve seen both sides of your particular coin and I can genuinely say I wouldn’t look back. The standards are generally a bit higher at Jet2 but if you actually do some reading, learn the stuff and have a positive attitude you can get on extremely well here. The training for myself has always been very positive, constructive and I’ve personally not had any issues. Hope that helps! |
Originally Posted by Johnny F@rt Pants
(Post 10483028)
No, that’s 3000 factorised hours total time. That’s why I reckoned it’d take you another 2-4 years assuming that you have done 2 years already at Valdermort Airlines. A bit of thinking to do I think. |
757 is an option for new joiners in theory, but not the right option for you in my opinion.
By your comments you would join with less than 2000 factored hours - the money here is poor as an FO until you get your third stripe. Flying less than 500 hours a year means you are at least 3 years away from even applying for command, at which point the 757 fleet will be at least 30% smaller, likely only 1 or 2 years left by then, with everyone who is already here ahead of you in the que for the LHS. Not to mention the training department are not going to entertain running a full type rating course for a TR 737 FO when they can just put them on an OCC. Direct entry captain is a different story, hold your nerve and you may get your fleet of choice. Overall the company is in a good position and a good place to be. |
Ditto what Whitemonk has said. The 757 is an option, however 1 - it is MAN base only, so your move to BFS wouldn’t be an option. 2 - you questioned about time to command, the B757 pilots generally do 3-400 hours per year max, therefore your time to command would be extended. 3 - why would you do a type rating to join a fleet that will be gone in a few years, and then have to do another type rating, we all know that doing type ratings is a pain in the butt. In my opinion, forget your boyhood dream, it’s just another tin can doing 500mph at 30odd thousand feet, join and join the B737 fleet. |
Johnny
Love Your observations on training provided. And I sure as !!!! hope you lot are better then the other! Were 3 stripes is mandatory at 500hrs. So now a poor Cpt have no clue anymore if Jr has 501 hr or 5001, charming. |
Johnny, do you know if you're still hiring DECs for Spanish bases? |
Johnny, do you know if you're still hiring DECs for Spanish bases? |
Originally Posted by Johnny F@rt Pants
(Post 10484863)
I don’t know what bases require recruitment I’m afraid. You could always call and ask, we’re friendly like that. Thank you! |
Originally Posted by Johnny F@rt Pants
(Post 10484454)
Ditto what Whitemonk has said. The 757 is an option, however 1 - it is MAN base only, so your move to BFS wouldn’t be an option. 2 - you questioned about time to command, the B757 pilots generally do 3-400 hours per year max, therefore your time to command would be extended. 3 - why would you do a type rating to join a fleet that will be gone in a few years, and then have to do another type rating, we all know that doing type ratings is a pain in the butt. In my opinion, forget your boyhood dream, it’s just another tin can doing 500mph at 30odd thousand feet, join and join the B737 fleet. Hence why I asked about the 757, as If I go to Jet2 I doubt I’ll ever fly anything else than a 738 in Europe wouldn’t mind trying something else in my career even for a 1/2 years . Also, how does Command work at Jet2, is it back to Leeds for a bit? I’ll have just over 2000 hours by the time I got in, so pretty close to Command here but happy to delay it for a bit if it meant avoiding going tic Paphos Italy or somewhere else for an unknown amount of time. I remember when I joined my company I thought I’d never contemplate Jet2, as it’s the same stuff essentially but just seems a bit nicer with better pay and free parking! And no four sectors from what I know. |
I appreciate why you want to move back to BFS and Jet2 sounds like a nice little number too. However, few points worth thinking about! Jet2 is a bucket and spade company. Most holiday companies don’t do too well during down turns and anyone who thinks otherwise is in denial. I remember people at Jet2 were put on to 75% contracts and worse during the last recession. I would also say the outlying bases at Jet2 would be more ripe for the cull in such a scenario. Something worth thinking about. If you are desperate to get back to BFS, why not look at EZY? Much more established at BFS and a much more secure company. It might cost you more to go to EZY, but I think it would pay off in the long run. |
I remember people at Jet2 were put on to 75% contracts and worse during the last recession. As for your analogy of bucket bucket and spade not working well during a downturn, can I remind you that we seem to have evolved and would respectfully suggest that all holiday companies and airlines suffer during downturns. Having said that the Dart Group has NEVER made a loss. I agree that EZY is well established, but Jet2 have been operating out of BFS for 15 years now, so they are hardly a newbie. |
Thoughts on the Bristol Base Rumour?
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Originally Posted by GE115b
(Post 10485045)
I appreciate why you want to move back to BFS and Jet2 sounds like a nice little number too. However, few points worth thinking about! Jet2 is a bucket and spade company. Most holiday companies don’t do too well during down turns and anyone who thinks otherwise is in denial. I remember people at Jet2 were put on to 75% contracts and worse during the last recession. I would also say the outlying bases at Jet2 would be more ripe for the cull in such a scenario. Something worth thinking about. If you are desperate to get back to BFS, why not look at EZY? Much more established at BFS and a much more secure company. It might cost you more to go to EZY, but I think it would pay off in the long run. |
Profit Share announced for July 2019
Captains £8500
SFO £5600 FO £5000 Before tax obviously but not a bad start for the inaugural year :ok: |
Hi guys,
A few questions I have, as I am wanting to join Jet2 quit badly now, lol If I join at Palma base as a FO, how long till I get a command assessment/ I become a captain if I already have the 3000factorized hours? (I will have them after 1 summer there). I heard SFO in Palma is 2000 factorized hours, any idea what the pay is? I heard it goes from 61.000Euro to 81000€ but no one can confirm this. Thanks |
Originally Posted by Joe le Taxi
(Post 10526986)
Nice - but a very tax INefficient way of giving employees a stake in the company's success, especially for Captains (decimated down to about £3000 after tax and NI at the marginal 62%). It's a great pity there's only really easyJet who go in for a share save scheme afaiaa
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Could be worse! Marginal tax rate for Captains bonus in Scotland is 63.5% |
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