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Chesty Morgan 16th September 2018 17:43

They’ll always give you at least two hours but occasionally they ask if you can get there quicker. You’re not at all obliged to though.

GA F15 16th September 2018 17:59

Lots of ‘go now’ callouts. In fact, you’ll rarely get more than 2hrs notice as they like to ‘maintain operational flexibility’.
Often there will be something planned well in advance, but you’ll be the last to know.

flyingscot514 16th September 2018 19:30

Does anyone have any info on non-rated DEC start dates? Been swimming in the hold pool for a few months now, they were very keen to get the assessment done asap and all seems to have stalled now. Are they struggling with training capacity or just waiting to see how many type rated DECs they can get in the door?

Lespou 9th October 2018 09:43

PMI base FO
 
Hi. Been considering the the chance to join jet2 PMI base (FO NTR). Can someone help me figuring out what to expect there? Basically which salary (net) to expect and time/requirements for captain? And once you get the upgrade, is there a change of base? Many thanks.

HundredPercentPlease 10th October 2018 08:01


Originally Posted by RAFAT (Post 10250153)
Dave - If you want time at home then the 75% contract would be an ideal starter, the format is:

Jan & Feb - Off completely.
Mar to May - 50% = 10 working days per month
Jun to Sep - 100%
Oct to Dec - 50 %

That looks like a 58% contract. Is it paid at 75%?

Callsign Kilo 10th October 2018 12:18



Lots of ‘go now’ callouts. In fact, you’ll rarely get more than 2hrs notice as they like to ‘maintain operational flexibility’.
Often there will be something planned well in advance, but you’ll be the last to know.
There’s plenty of frustration with the standby call out system. Prior to EASA reg changes to FTLs there was a way of knowing that you were going to be called out. Now it’s 2 hours notification and due to summer schedule/roster disruption, standby call outs are increasing in my experience. That being said I have never had any issue with not being allocated the standard 2 hours to report point. Even when I’ve had a ‘get there asap’ call I’ve clarified that I have up to 2 hours, just incase something were to happen enroute. Never been an issue.


Does anyone have any info on non-rated DEC start dates? Been swimming in the hold pool for a few months now, they were very keen to get the assessment done asap and all seems to have stalled now. Are they struggling with training capacity or just waiting to see how many type rated DECs they can get in the door?
From what’s been said, this year to next will be the biggest training intake. Due to the nature of training requirements, rated guys and guys with the required level of jet experience are a priority I suppose. NTR with the maximum required sectors at line training will take most capacity in the system. I very much doubt they’ve forgotten about you. I’m told the training system is working at full tilt!

Flying Wild 10th October 2018 13:02


Originally Posted by Lespou (Post 10269466)
Hi. Been considering the the chance to join jet2 PMI base (FO NTR). Can someone help me figuring out what to expect there? Basically which salary (net) to expect and time/requirements for captain? And once you get the upgrade, is there a change of base? Many thanks.

Don't expect as much flying as you would get out of a UK base. You'll basically either be going backwards and forwards to the UK or on standby, or off.

cx1990 16th October 2018 21:10

Hello everyone,
Does anyone know when you could apply for jet2 again if unsuccessful the first time for the same NTR FO position. I suppose reapplying with different email/account is big no no.

Thanks in advance

Johnny F@rt Pants 17th October 2018 19:30

I think it’s 6 months.

frozenpilot 18th October 2018 09:00

Hi all,

im seeking some advice from Jet2 Pilots also. Currently a BA Captain who is looking to leave. I am very interested in Jet2 for a host of reasons... regional base etc.... My only concern is being able to pay for my family to live during the quieter months.. Input from current skippers would be most welcome!

With the new pay deal what sort of take home pay do you expect winter/summer? This paydeal I understand is an ‘interim’ deal.. Is there likely to be further increases over the next 12 months? Has there been any decisions on the profit share? Although I assume there are limited opportunities and/or desire to do so, but what is the availability and frequency of working days off? I appreciate there are variables to each of these questions...

Thanks very much

Johnny F@rt Pants 18th October 2018 14:21

Frozen,

No doubt you will get a barracking from the anti Jet2'ers that lurk on here for you even considering moving from BA to "lowly" Jet2, however you certainly won't be the first or the last to make such a move.

Your take home pay will depend on a multitude of things, not only the number of hours you work, but how much you elect to drop into your pension. The basic Captains salary is now circa £106k, on top of that you will earn sector pay which has just had a large increase in value, and duty pay, pre deductions you'll be around £10k per month (ish)

The interim pay deal, is, as it says, interim, there will be another increase in April which is when our annual increase generally happens.

Working days off is definitely possible, there aren't many, if any in the winter as there are a surplus of crew, however the busy summer usually sees a requirement to work on days off if you choose to do so.

there she blows 18th October 2018 21:29

As an ex jet 2 er,
your fellow workforce are the best in the business,rosters based on 2018 loco ops,pay is fine,2 sector days, great.Also back to home almost every day,
Did I mention your colleagues in the flight deck to the crew in the cabin, the best!and of course engineering and ground crew
But if you have the unfortunate deployment to be confronted with the curry club, Be prepared to be faced with the renowned owners wrath,or maybe lucky enough to be confronted with the two comedians in charge of career development on the major fleet Tommy “cooper “ and “ Ali” Gee!
Pure joy?
But your fellow crews,Fantastic!!!!

Well Used 20th October 2018 08:44

There she blows
 
An excellent post, never met Ali or Tommy but I hear dealing with Ali is better than Tommy........

Be glad to be out of the place tbh 6% just doesn’t beat a stable roster pattern and knowing what you’ll be doing, I agree a duty day is a duty day but here it’s a potential any duty in the 24hr day right up until you actually turn up to fly. The training backlog at Ryan at least means I’ll take the money and put my feet up for the winter leaving the trainers to fly before dodging next summers ‘roster’.

2020 I hear, now that really is a comedy one liner.


Johnny F@rt Pants 20th October 2018 11:16


But if you have the unfortunate deployment to be confronted with the curry club, Be prepared to be faced with the renowned owners wrath,or maybe lucky enough to be confronted with the two comedians in charge of career development on the major fleet Tommy “cooper “ and “ Ali” Gee!
As you say, you now don’t work at Jet2 and this is proof indeed that you are so out of touch.

Nil further 20th October 2018 12:44

Hannspree wrote

" Im using discretion A LOT this year 3-4 times a month "

you are aware that discretion can only be exercised in "exceptional circumstances " and only" for delays that become apparent after report time "

there she blows 20th October 2018 19:11

Thanks Johnny!
not out of touch at all, in fact in constant communication with good guys in the training department at j2,
I am afraid my comments must stand as these characters are doing more damage to the moral and development of crew,than if they were on an easy or Ryan payroll!
maybe you are too

Oceanic815 20th October 2018 19:49

There she blows

If you were ‘in touch’ then you would know that ‘Tommy’ left his position almost a year ago!

Just saying!

Johnny F@rt Pants 21st October 2018 01:55

Hahahahaha, there she blows proved he’s really actually very out of touch. I didn’t like to state the reason, but Oceanic has done the job for me.

there she blows 21st October 2018 07:22

Curry club culture,there we have both comedy and intimidation,
keep up the ha ha ha boys

Oceanic815 21st October 2018 09:15

There she blows

No comedy or intimidation, and I’m definitely not in any curry club, just merely pointing out the facts. Unfortunately there are so many negative comments on here posted by people like yourself, who had a different experience of Jet2 than most, that sometimes you just have to point out the errors. Jet2 is not perfect but show me any airline that is? On overall balance, for me personally, it’s a good place to work with Ts and Cs continually improving (if rather slowly at times).

there she blows 22nd October 2018 06:45

Thank you for your posts,
If you were to read my posts, I am sure you will understand that I enjoyed my line flights at jet 2, ie fantastic crews,pay is fine,2 sector days.But unlike you I will not hide the fact that the guys in charge of training and development need to move into this century.
I am not the first to point this fact out,they seem to take enjoyment out of undermining professional crews and their abilities, instead of developing and engaging with the guys and girls it is unfortunately a matter of whip them into shape.This is not as you say a negative point it is pointing out the facts as have been stated before.
If you choose to ignore or hide any aspect of our career, then you are deemed unprofessional by the authorities and a prat by your hardworking colleagues ����.
So back to the thread,Jet2 is a great job,Pay is fine, line flights 2sectors days with the best folk in the business, fantastic girls and guys,
But for anyone thinking about signing up,as you can see from the above responses, rethink AVIATE,NAVIGATE,COMMUNICATE to Arrogance,Negativity,Condescending.once or twice a year.
To all the jet2 employees your are fantastic,to all who want to join, you will enjoys your days out with your colleagues.
Keep it up��

banterbus 22nd October 2018 15:44

Further to the request on time to reapply - it is 12 months, I double checked this when I didn't get through.

I am unsure however, whether or not this is from application or sim assessment. If anyone knows that would be greatly appreciated - this makes a significant difference to me as it was almost 4 months from application to sim assessment (due to restrictions my end, not theirs).

Paddingtons wellies 24th October 2018 02:42

At the risk of being flamed, it has been a hard summer (but they always seem that way!) and you will always hear from the vocal minority. This gets magnified and exaggerated and rumours like the 30% figure arise!

Most of us think it isn’t perfect, but it is a safe secure job in a growing company. Work itself is fun, some parts are annoying but it is slowly getting better. The intent is there to improve - albeit sometimes not immediately apparent. Overal taking into account the £££ and balancing that with what I want from life it is a great place.

No airline goes without its issues, but life is what you make of it. Most of us keep our heads down and get on with it. The reality is some people can not be pleased and like to vocalise to all those interested or not.

clear of the tower 25th October 2018 07:44

Paddington,
we all work hard for the airlines these days,and all companies as you say are saying they are intent on improving,albeit sometimes not immediately apparent!,
But what is apparent from yourself and a few others is that you find having an opinion or possible discussion on this forum is either too vocal or requires ha ha ha responses ie johnny fathead, joker,
Keeping your head down usually indicates something to hide,ignore or tolerate.Have you no voice.
I think professional pilots should daily ask questions,seek information gather as many opinions as possible in order to diagnose the correct response.
Does jet2 really keep you in fear that you must keep your head down.

ScouseGeordie 25th October 2018 10:29

Clear of the Tower,

Yes it does. Very few J2 pilots have the courage to stick their head above the parapet to criticise the company or management.

Paddington’s Wellies is right that the company is secure and growing but it is still being run as though it is a small flying club or even a school. That’s it, a school - Pilots are the pupils, base management the prefects, head office management the teachers and all under one head master!

Paddingtons wellies 25th October 2018 10:38

Clear of the tower - Does jet2 really keep you in fear that you must keep your head down.

Not in the least bit. I can understand your confusion as rather than broadcastingy moans I actually try to take them forward and get them resolved.

From my experience the vocal minority skew the overall impression and have a habit of creating disillusion that doesn’t need to exist. My single biggest complaint would be the small minority of people who are so vocal, drain the life out of others but don’t actually do anything about it.

JFP is a marmite kind of character - however what you can not fault is that he is trying to make things better and certainly isn’t a yes man.

Actions oeak louder than words - either follow in JFP footsteps (although you might want to be upwind) and try to do something about the bits you don’t like. Or leave, there are no shortage of jobs out there.



there she blows 25th October 2018 19:59

ScouseGeordie,
great name tag,You have nothing to fear at jet2,you are a more accomplished pilot than any of the individuals in the higher ranks, I can assure you of that!The school scenario, flying club culture lies at the hands of King Phillip, and the many tiers of bullish management below,
But as you have posted concern that alone shows you have genuine concern for your future career, well done.
On a funny note maybe Paddington is seeking a position at the table of the curry club,Deriving a fellow crew member of the same rank for voicing concerns on that said culture alone shows he is indeed a yes man.But I agree being anywhere in the vascinity of Johnny ha ha fart bag is truly disgusting.Maybe you should follow me and do the 737 crews a favour and leave, or maybe grow a pair!

rudolf 26th October 2018 02:23


Originally Posted by Paddingtons wellies (Post 10292065)
follow in JFP footsteps (although you might want to be upwind)



With you on the upwind!

Chesty Morgan 26th October 2018 07:55

I wouldn’t want to be in the “vascinity” of anything.

there she blows 26th October 2018 09:36

That’s my Hindu spelling

there she blows 26th October 2018 09:49

Let’s not make this thread an attack on my religion.
And try to see the big picture not focusing on smallest details!
Another curry club culture statement!!

whitemonk 26th October 2018 20:17

You can't take anything 'there she blows' has said as serious, because if they knew anything at all he/she would know the curry club is old news....

Proud member of the Steak and Eggs club. :ok:

clear of the tower 27th October 2018 07:36

White monk,I am afraid you are behind the times.
welcome to the **** and prat club

there she blows 27th October 2018 07:56

Ha ha ha,I got it wrong it IS the comedy club

Well Used 27th October 2018 08:04

It really is a shame that they can’t get the rostering and crewing system right as quickly as they could get the colour of the lanyards right. 2019 will be just as bad as 2018 IMO.


Mr Angry from Purley 27th October 2018 08:29


Originally Posted by Well Used (Post 10293641)
It really is a shame that they can’t get the rostering and crewing system right as quickly as they could get the colour of the lanyards right. 2019 will be just as bad as 2018 IMO.


As much as Ryanair got their leave system fixed I guess. Two completely different Airlines comparing Jet 2 v FR. Where's the fixed roster at TUI/Thomas Cook?
You sound as though your one of the 5% brigade

Well Used 27th October 2018 08:58

Lets see how many resign in the coming months to move elsewhere. I understand Tui aren’t struggling attracting type rated pilots.

RVF750 27th October 2018 12:14

J2 does still seem to be a very different airline for those based at LBA compared to elsewhere. Elsewhere is great! LBA, less so, for the reasons mentioned above. It's not the airport or weather that makes people desperate to leave LBA!

Cuillin Hills 27th October 2018 12:18


Originally Posted by Well Used (Post 10293677)
Lets see how many resign in the coming months to move elsewhere. I understand Tui aren’t struggling attracting type rated pilots.


.......... where you can look forward to regular night DLM/RHO/TFS etc getting back at 0600h, winters out of base, deadheading, minibuses back to MAN from NCL after an overnight trip from the Caribbean etc.

No thanks.

vrb03kt 27th October 2018 15:56


Originally Posted by Cuillin Hills (Post 10293813)



.......... where you can look forward to regular night DLM/RHO/TFS etc getting back at 0600h, winters out of base, deadheading, minibuses back to MAN from NCL after an overnight trip from the Caribbean etc.

No thanks.

​​​​​That's not really a fair or accurate portrayal of life at TUI. Perhaps there's a reason there aren't threads and threads on pprune bemoaning it?


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